EPTOn November 04 2008 14:30 Ace wrote:
damn wtf T_T
damn wtf T_T
again
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Caller
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Showtime!
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Scaramanga
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On December 15 2008 12:39 Scaramanga wrote: Guys change your vote to Ver Hes known mafia thanks to a dt If this checks out blues pm your roles to ace and we'll get a town web happening OKOK Dont do this, ive gotta get some shit sorted first | ||
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Scaramanga
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On December 15 2008 14:00 Scaramanga wrote: OKOK Dont do this, ive gotta get some shit sorted first Sorry for double post, i mean dont pm roles to ace if ver flips red, still vote for ver | ||
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chaoser
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Scaramanga
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On December 15 2008 14:43 chaoser wrote: personally I don't trust this whole "ver is mafia cause dt said so" because what's the source? we could technically all go around saying "BLANK is mafia, a dt told me" why would a dt tell anyone they are dt unless they 100% trusted them. and since it's the first day, there's no reason to 100% trust anyone. since we don't know who the dt is, there's no reason we should be swayed by his words since they have no real weight behind them. Heres the deal, if ver flashes up green/blue then we lynch the dt and we have traded a townie for a mafia gj, if ver flash's up red then we have a hidden dt with someone to go to, so saying their name would just give that up, if we get this right then we can set up a web of townies and effectivly win the game | ||
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Scaramanga
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On December 15 2008 14:57 chaoser wrote: ok, lets say ver turns up red, does that necessarily mean whoever said he was mafia (the "dt") ISN'T actually mafia. They just saced a mafia to gain our trust and so we end up telling them our roles/trust them on matters, and they use it against us If ver flips red, we get him to check someone else if he dosent or lies we lynch | ||
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chaoser
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chaoser
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On December 15 2008 15:02 Scaramanga wrote: If ver flips red, we get him to check someone else if he dosent or lies we lynch that's the thing, he can say mafia members are townies as well as other townies are townies and so on. he doesn't have to lie all the time, just some of the time. and from time to time they can sac, another mafia or something. either way we're being swayed by this one person and he/she gets a lot more power than anyone else and at the same time we have no idea who they are except for one or two people who may or may not be mafia. it's all about trust. once trust gets established, we're less likely to question that person and people who we haven't developed trust in but do question them will be suspected as mafia. and we don't have another 100% sure dt on our side yet to check this one. let's just let this play out before we start placing trust in people. | ||
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chaoser
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On December 15 2008 15:09 chaoser wrote: that's the thing, he can say mafia members are townies as well as other townies are townies and so on. he doesn't have to lie all the time, just some of the time. and from time to time they can sac, another mafia or something. either way we're being swayed by this one person and he/she gets a lot more power than anyone else and at the same time we have no idea who they are except for one or two people who may or may not be mafia. it's all about trust. once trust gets established, we're less likely to question that person and people who we haven't developed trust in but do question them will be suspected as mafia. and we don't have another 100% sure dt on our side yet to check this one. let's just let this play out before we start placing trust in people. sorry about the double post. but i had something else to add >_>;; if we ask this person to check another person (cause they wre right about ver) and they say townie, then what? we trust them? we test his word by lynching the person he said was townie? if he's actually townie, we just killed someone innocent good job. how do we check everything he says? he could be telling the truth till he has enough of our trust to start lying. you could say we will sooner of later find ways to check what he's saying based on clues/we figure out who else is a dt but i don't like to place my bets on the future and what COULD happen so i'm just saying, take everything with a grain of salt. a huge one. | ||
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Vivi57
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I think it's best to see if ver flips red before we do anything. After what happened in ace's game with mtf sending a list of blues to the mafia and caller being innocent, I wouldn't send info to ace. | ||
Ver
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The fact that everyone is taking this accusation at face value and bandwagoning me does not show a healthy minded town. I got accused out of nowhere and only one person questions these proceedings. Everyone is just bandwagoning from one target to another on the flimsiest of reasons. Killing Folca for last game is just dumb. Clues on day 1 are not a sufficient reason to kill Scar, but at the same time, posting a screenshot doesn't prove anything. Isn't that right, shallow[bay]? Then people voted for some random zombie who can equally be a clueless mafia or clueless townie. And now everyone jumps on me once I'm 'supposedly' guilty. As if anything can be proven this early. Quit the bandwagoning (folca->scar->veno-> me all in 1 day seriously lol) and think critically. Only 1 person so far is even questioning what's going on and everyone just dismisses him. This would normally be a battle of arguing/my word vs Ace's. However, the fact that he say's he was informed I was a mafia from someone else makes this considerably more complex than a kill one then kill the other if wrong situation. Consider the two likely scenarios: 1) I am mafia, Ace and the DT are legit. Lynching me straight up is best case scenario. 2) I am innocent, and either Ace or the 'DT' are mafia. Here lynching me immediately puts us in a big hole. Ace can of course call out the 'DT' as mafia, but Ace could easily be mafia yourself fingering an innocent person. Or the mafia member posing as 'DT' could argue to get Ace killed. Thus the town gets considerably behind and either loses two of it's most valuable thinkers for 1 mafia (great great trade for them) or loses 1 analyst for 1 mafia, which is still a pretty poor trade for the town considering mafia KP is rounded up. The point is that except for option 1 the town is going to be stuck in a very messy situation that will take several days to extricate fully and could potentially result in myself and Ace both being innocent and dying from the town itself. Or just as bad, I turn up innocent, Ace as mafia gets the town to kill the DT who didn't check Ace first and wastes two days of lynching again. Or Ace can prioritize his survival and kill the DT in the night. If you blindly rush the gun here you are betting on the fact that I am mafia and are way behind if I turn up innocent. Thus I propose an offshoot of Alventenie's plan from game 3. Let us both live. Force the mafia to make a decision of who to kill. Unlike in Alventenie's plan, I cannot offer anything more than being a townie. But I am an exceedingly valuable townie in my analyses and plans, as the inner circle people last game can attest to (which is likely why I was fingered for this). And also analysis/plans are very easy to check on to see if I uphold myself logically as I consistently have before. If I don't hold myself accountable to this, then bam dead. The same goes for Ace and the results of this 'alleged' DT too. Therefore, give us an extension till tomorrow to figure out a better target BC. I can stay up for an hour or so to debate but then I must sleep. Edit: Finished an incomplete sentence (added 'argue to get Ace killed. ' in paragraph 2) ) | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
On December 15 2008 15:22 chaoser wrote: sorry about the double post. but i had something else to add >_>;; if we ask this person to check another person (cause they wre right about ver) and they say townie, then what? we trust them? we test his word by lynching the person he said was townie? if he's actually townie, we just killed someone innocent good job. how do we check everything he says? he could be telling the truth till he has enough of our trust to start lying. you could say we will sooner of later find ways to check what he's saying based on clues/we figure out who else is a dt but i don't like to place my bets on the future and what COULD happen so i'm just saying, take everything with a grain of salt. a huge one. Dude honestly are you thick or not reading my post, if ver is green well then gw we lynch the fake dt and bam we've traded a mafia for a townie gj, if ver and this dt are both mafia then we get this dt to rolecheck someone else to get a townie web, if he dosent check then we lynch him, either way we get 1-2 townies or a web of people working together | ||
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chaoser
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On December 15 2008 15:49 Ver wrote: ... 1) I am mafia, Ace and the DT are legit. Lynching me straight up is best case scenario. ... see, that's the thing! even if you ARE mafia, they don't have to be legit! they could just be sacing you to gain our trust | ||
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