• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:06
CEST 00:06
KST 07:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru2BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack0Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation StarCraft 1 & 2 Added to Xbox Game Pass
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO8 - Group A Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 26624 users

[GG] Team Liquid Mafia - Resurrection - Page 10

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 62 Next
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 15 2008 04:08 GMT
#181
hopefully we don't see any of
On November 04 2008 14:30 Ace wrote:
damn wtf T_T


again
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
December 15 2008 04:09 GMT
#182
Have a DT check more_minerals next.

K thanks,
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
December 15 2008 05:00 GMT
#183
On December 15 2008 12:39 Scaramanga wrote:
Guys change your vote to Ver
Hes known mafia thanks to a dt
If this checks out blues pm your roles to ace and we'll get a town web happening

OKOK Dont do this, ive gotta get some shit sorted first
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
December 15 2008 05:10 GMT
#184
On December 15 2008 14:00 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2008 12:39 Scaramanga wrote:
Guys change your vote to Ver
Hes known mafia thanks to a dt
If this checks out blues pm your roles to ace and we'll get a town web happening

OKOK Dont do this, ive gotta get some shit sorted first


Sorry for double post, i mean dont pm roles to ace if ver flips red, still vote for ver
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
TruthBringer
Profile Joined November 2003
United States578 Posts
December 15 2008 05:28 GMT
#185
Everyone vote for Ver, even if you already voted in the last 12 hours, DT revealing that VER is mafia should be a good reason to switch. Also, if he doesn't let you switch, who cares? May as well try.
Carbon FC
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 15 2008 05:43 GMT
#186
personally I don't trust this whole "ver is mafia cause dt said so" because what's the source? we could technically all go around saying "BLANK is mafia, a dt told me" why would a dt tell anyone they are dt unless they 100% trusted them. and since it's the first day, there's no reason to 100% trust anyone. since we don't know who the dt is, there's no reason we should be swayed by his words since they have no real weight behind them.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
December 15 2008 05:48 GMT
#187
On December 15 2008 14:43 chaoser wrote:
personally I don't trust this whole "ver is mafia cause dt said so" because what's the source? we could technically all go around saying "BLANK is mafia, a dt told me" why would a dt tell anyone they are dt unless they 100% trusted them. and since it's the first day, there's no reason to 100% trust anyone. since we don't know who the dt is, there's no reason we should be swayed by his words since they have no real weight behind them.

Heres the deal, if ver flashes up green/blue then we lynch the dt and we have traded a townie for a mafia gj, if ver flash's up red then we have a hidden dt with someone to go to, so saying their name would just give that up, if we get this right then we can set up a web of townies and effectivly win the game
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
TruthBringer
Profile Joined November 2003
United States578 Posts
December 15 2008 05:51 GMT
#188
Chaoser, if any mafia is willing to sacrifice himself to kill a single townie, I'll take that trade. If you run the numbers . . . you should be willing to also.
Carbon FC
TruthBringer
Profile Joined November 2003
United States578 Posts
December 15 2008 05:55 GMT
#189
I don't know exactly what the detective did, but I am guessing he checked two people for their roles. One turned up green, one turned up red. He told the green to announce the red.
Carbon FC
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 15 2008 05:57 GMT
#190
ok, lets say ver turns up red, does that necessarily mean whoever said he was mafia (the "dt") ISN'T actually mafia. They just saced a mafia to gain our trust and so we end up telling them our roles/trust them on matters, and they use it against us
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 15 2008 05:57 GMT
#191
DT cant check 2 people so soon
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
December 15 2008 06:02 GMT
#192
On December 15 2008 14:57 chaoser wrote:
ok, lets say ver turns up red, does that necessarily mean whoever said he was mafia (the "dt") ISN'T actually mafia. They just saced a mafia to gain our trust and so we end up telling them our roles/trust them on matters, and they use it against us

If ver flips red, we get him to check someone else if he dosent or lies we lynch
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 15 2008 06:05 GMT
#193
either way, we should be placing suspicion on ver, whoever this self-alleged "dt" is, and ace, this information about who is 100% a mafia (ver) came out wayyy too soon (first night hasn't even started). also, in regards to the clues in that post, do all of them have to apply to only one person? can't they be clues about about different mafia members? (ie. liquid is about mafia1, stargate pic is about mafia2, so on...)
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 15 2008 06:09 GMT
#194
On December 15 2008 15:02 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2008 14:57 chaoser wrote:
ok, lets say ver turns up red, does that necessarily mean whoever said he was mafia (the "dt") ISN'T actually mafia. They just saced a mafia to gain our trust and so we end up telling them our roles/trust them on matters, and they use it against us

If ver flips red, we get him to check someone else if he dosent or lies we lynch


that's the thing, he can say mafia members are townies as well as other townies are townies and so on. he doesn't have to lie all the time, just some of the time. and from time to time they can sac, another mafia or something. either way we're being swayed by this one person and he/she gets a lot more power than anyone else and at the same time we have no idea who they are except for one or two people who may or may not be mafia. it's all about trust. once trust gets established, we're less likely to question that person and people who we haven't developed trust in but do question them will be suspected as mafia. and we don't have another 100% sure dt on our side yet to check this one. let's just let this play out before we start placing trust in people.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 15 2008 06:22 GMT
#195
On December 15 2008 15:09 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2008 15:02 Scaramanga wrote:
On December 15 2008 14:57 chaoser wrote:
ok, lets say ver turns up red, does that necessarily mean whoever said he was mafia (the "dt") ISN'T actually mafia. They just saced a mafia to gain our trust and so we end up telling them our roles/trust them on matters, and they use it against us

If ver flips red, we get him to check someone else if he dosent or lies we lynch


that's the thing, he can say mafia members are townies as well as other townies are townies and so on. he doesn't have to lie all the time, just some of the time. and from time to time they can sac, another mafia or something. either way we're being swayed by this one person and he/she gets a lot more power than anyone else and at the same time we have no idea who they are except for one or two people who may or may not be mafia. it's all about trust. once trust gets established, we're less likely to question that person and people who we haven't developed trust in but do question them will be suspected as mafia. and we don't have another 100% sure dt on our side yet to check this one. let's just let this play out before we start placing trust in people.


sorry about the double post. but i had something else to add >_>;; if we ask this person to check another person (cause they wre right about ver) and they say townie, then what? we trust them? we test his word by lynching the person he said was townie? if he's actually townie, we just killed someone innocent good job. how do we check everything he says? he could be telling the truth till he has enough of our trust to start lying. you could say we will sooner of later find ways to check what he's saying based on clues/we figure out who else is a dt but i don't like to place my bets on the future and what COULD happen so i'm just saying, take everything with a grain of salt. a huge one.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 15 2008 06:28 GMT
#196
I don't get why a DT would just randomly choose sometime to PM on the first day with this information, that seems incredibly risky. We either have a very dumb dt who is on par with Folca from Mafia 3, or Ace is bsing. Either way, I guess we will decide after the lynch is made. The DT can't role check twice in a day, so there is no way he could check both Ace and Ver respectively. Something is fishy, otherwise Ace is just getting random help.
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
December 15 2008 06:38 GMT
#197
There's a ton of theories that could go with Ace saying Ver is Mafia

I think it's best to see if ver flips red before we do anything.

After what happened in ace's game with mtf sending a list of blues to the mafia and caller being innocent, I wouldn't send info to ace.
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-15 06:51:29
December 15 2008 06:49 GMT
#198
To start off, it seems more than a little strange that I'm being targeted without having made a single post. My reasons for that are below, but all the same, even if a DT followed what Ace suggested in the thread, there is very little reason why that DT would not check Ace himself as he is at least as dangerous/helpful as me if not even moreso. Lastly, why would the DT pm Ace of all people to be his mouthpiece, given that if he's mafia he's one of the most dangerous/the most dangerous person in the game and you don't want to give him a big head start by knowing a DT. He cannot know both that I am mafia and Ace innocent this early. Thus either this 'DT' is being really stupid or there is a greater scheme going on here.

The fact that everyone is taking this accusation at face value and bandwagoning me does not show a healthy minded town. I got accused out of nowhere and only one person questions these proceedings. Everyone is just bandwagoning from one target to another on the flimsiest of reasons. Killing Folca for last game is just dumb. Clues on day 1 are not a sufficient reason to kill Scar, but at the same time, posting a screenshot doesn't prove anything. Isn't that right, shallow[bay]? Then people voted for some random zombie who can equally be a clueless mafia or clueless townie. And now everyone jumps on me once I'm 'supposedly' guilty. As if anything can be proven this early. Quit the bandwagoning (folca->scar->veno-> me all in 1 day seriously lol) and think critically. Only 1 person so far is even questioning what's going on and everyone just dismisses him.

This would normally be a battle of arguing/my word vs Ace's. However, the fact that he say's he was informed I was a mafia from someone else makes this considerably more complex than a kill one then kill the other if wrong situation. Consider the two likely scenarios:

1) I am mafia, Ace and the DT are legit. Lynching me straight up is best case scenario.

2) I am innocent, and either Ace or the 'DT' are mafia. Here lynching me immediately puts us in a big hole. Ace can of course call out the 'DT' as mafia, but Ace could easily be mafia yourself fingering an innocent person. Or the mafia member posing as 'DT' could argue to get Ace killed. Thus the town gets considerably behind and either loses two of it's most valuable thinkers for 1 mafia (great great trade for them) or loses 1 analyst for 1 mafia, which is still a pretty poor trade for the town considering mafia KP is rounded up.

The point is that except for option 1 the town is going to be stuck in a very messy situation that will take several days to extricate fully and could potentially result in myself and Ace both being innocent and dying from the town itself. Or just as bad, I turn up innocent, Ace as mafia gets the town to kill the DT who didn't check Ace first and wastes two days of lynching again. Or Ace can prioritize his survival and kill the DT in the night. If you blindly rush the gun here you are betting on the fact that I am mafia and are way behind if I turn up innocent.

Thus I propose an offshoot of Alventenie's plan from game 3. Let us both live. Force the mafia to make a decision of who to kill. Unlike in Alventenie's plan, I cannot offer anything more than being a townie. But I am an exceedingly valuable townie in my analyses and plans, as the inner circle people last game can attest to (which is likely why I was fingered for this). And also analysis/plans are very easy to check on to see if I uphold myself logically as I consistently have before. If I don't hold myself accountable to this, then bam dead. The same goes for Ace and the results of this 'alleged' DT too.

Therefore, give us an extension till tomorrow to figure out a better target BC. I can stay up for an hour or so to debate but then I must sleep.

Edit: Finished an incomplete sentence (added 'argue to get Ace killed. ' in paragraph 2) )

Liquipedia
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
December 15 2008 06:55 GMT
#199
On December 15 2008 15:22 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2008 15:09 chaoser wrote:
On December 15 2008 15:02 Scaramanga wrote:
On December 15 2008 14:57 chaoser wrote:
ok, lets say ver turns up red, does that necessarily mean whoever said he was mafia (the "dt") ISN'T actually mafia. They just saced a mafia to gain our trust and so we end up telling them our roles/trust them on matters, and they use it against us

If ver flips red, we get him to check someone else if he dosent or lies we lynch


that's the thing, he can say mafia members are townies as well as other townies are townies and so on. he doesn't have to lie all the time, just some of the time. and from time to time they can sac, another mafia or something. either way we're being swayed by this one person and he/she gets a lot more power than anyone else and at the same time we have no idea who they are except for one or two people who may or may not be mafia. it's all about trust. once trust gets established, we're less likely to question that person and people who we haven't developed trust in but do question them will be suspected as mafia. and we don't have another 100% sure dt on our side yet to check this one. let's just let this play out before we start placing trust in people.


sorry about the double post. but i had something else to add >_>;; if we ask this person to check another person (cause they wre right about ver) and they say townie, then what? we trust them? we test his word by lynching the person he said was townie? if he's actually townie, we just killed someone innocent good job. how do we check everything he says? he could be telling the truth till he has enough of our trust to start lying. you could say we will sooner of later find ways to check what he's saying based on clues/we figure out who else is a dt but i don't like to place my bets on the future and what COULD happen so i'm just saying, take everything with a grain of salt. a huge one.


Dude honestly are you thick or not reading my post, if ver is green well then gw we lynch the fake dt and bam we've traded a mafia for a townie gj, if ver and this dt are both mafia then we get this dt to rolecheck someone else to get a townie web, if he dosent check then we lynch him, either way we get 1-2 townies or a web of people working together
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
December 15 2008 06:58 GMT
#200
On December 15 2008 15:49 Ver wrote:

...

1) I am mafia, Ace and the DT are legit. Lynching me straight up is best case scenario.

...



see, that's the thing! even if you ARE mafia, they don't have to be legit! they could just be sacing you to gain our trust
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 62 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL: GosuLeague
19:15
Quarter Finals
Hejek vs Herbmon
Semih vs Kyrie
cavapoo vs TousaN
ZZZero.O143
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 167
JuggernautJason98
EnDerr 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15044
Sea 1253
ZZZero.O 143
Artosis 87
Dewaltoss 78
Aegong 73
Dota 2
PGG 51
League of Legends
tarik_tv12918
Counter-Strike
fl0m7255
olofmeister3416
rGuardiaN130
Super Smash Bros
PPMD118
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3348
Liquid`Hasu439
Khaldor121
Other Games
summit1g6624
FrodaN975
ZombieGrub55
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream4251
Other Games
BasetradeTV146
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta42
• RyuSc2 40
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix10
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22191
League of Legends
• TFBlade1433
• Shiphtur600
Other Games
• imaqtpie1278
• Scarra812
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
1h 55m
GSL Code S
11h 25m
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 3h
GSL Code S
1d 11h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
1d 11h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
OSC
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
[ Show More ]
SOOP
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Cheesadelphia
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.