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 Italy also has internetz!<- giev role =) | ||
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 I'd fix that if I were you! | ||
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If I get killed by mafia now - you'll know who to lynch next day | ||
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On March 19 2008 01:39 Ace wrote: I don't understand why anyone would suspect Ghar. Even worse, BWdero why are you suspecting him just because others are? We barely have any clues, and he hasn't done anything through his posts that can target him as Mafia. Please people, lets not get into the practice of bandwagon suspicion so early. I don't think there's bandwagoning, but don't you agree that if the clues point to him at least a slight bit, then he shouldn't be elected as mayor? I know your plan forces even a mafioso mayor to work along with the town a bit - but it's ultimately still isn't a good thing, imo. But what do I know, huh? | ||
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On March 19 2008 01:46 Ace wrote: Even if they pointed to him more than slightly, at least we know what his plan is and where his logic lies. If he ever started acting out of character or illogical, ie blatantly doing something that hinders the town we'd know for sure something is fishy about him. With almost everyone else we have no idea what they are going to do. And when we have no idea what they can do or plan to do, they are less accountable and there is more room for "accidents" and "oops" moments. At least with Ghar we've got a guy thats willing to explain his actions upfront, his plan, and even has ideas of what to do in case it does not work. FAR better than what anyone else is offering right now. Except yourself? Plus you have no clues pointing at you as of yet? But you could of course still be a mafioso, I guess there's not a clue in the Day 1 post that can be (with luck or whatever) interpreted for each Mafia member. Well, this is what I like about this game, you can polish your thinking This is why I changed my vote to you, even though I'm not sure if I am right... | ||
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I wonder what effect this post has in that? Another double-feint by me posting? (or I'm just bored, sitting and typing here all day) | ||
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On March 19 2008 17:14 Evilmonkey. wrote: As stated before, I am still voting for Randombum. As stated before, you still don't vote in this thread, but in Chiuiu's blog. Q_Q Edit: goddamnm, this thread grew 18 more pages while I was sleeping. I'm not even inactive, but it hurt my head to read through all this >.< | ||
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On March 20 2008 02:14 Ace wrote: Guys seriously, stop worrying about the Double Lynches. That can do more harm than good if not used at the right time  They, however, can potentially do good - so we shouldn't just waste them by electing a mafia major, or am I missing something here? | ||
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On March 20 2008 15:07 Ace wrote: If the Detectives investigate me, then reveal their roles to me and see I'm innocent then why wouldn't they PM me? That was my question: Did a detective investigate you, found you innocent, then PM'd you? How many detectives PM'd you if they already checked you out? You obviously can't lie answering this, should you not be innocent, 'cause then one of them speaks up and you're doomed (the damage would be done anyway, but whatever, I'm fairly sure you're a townie). Also, random thoughts: I advise everyone to look at bumatlarge's posts so far. Damn, he does stir up a lot of crap (except in a few). Won't quote, that could mean being out of context - but guys, check them out. I'm (again) not implying he's mafia, he might as well be an overexcited townie as a regular TL user (no detective role-checking waste needed either). Just look out and keep an eye on him. As for Showtime: Another shitstrirrer (so is Shallow, but if you look at his usual TL posts...well...go figure) I believe both even being innocent, can cause more harm than good, so we might as well get them out of the way... Yeah I know, I made myself suspicious with this post. Why would anyone acting on the interest of the town urge to kill (maybe) innocent people without proof? Well, I thinki, as I already said that they can cause more confusion - and that's everything we DON'T need. Feel free to be suspicious of me - I didn't see a single clue pointing at me so far (nor did anyone bring up any), and I'm pretty sure you won't see any in the following day, either I might get killed by the mafia if I'm too smart though - but I doubt they'd care if Showtime and Shallow are just not-too-bright townies, and nothing else. Cheers Ace on mayor, and tough luck with the first lynch. You misinterpreted Chuiu's post a bit but that may be forgiven - you were in a haste and everyone was bugging you to carry out your plan. We make mistakes when being urged. Here's Ace's thinking from my point of view of why he didn't lynch anyone "suspicious" or "over-active" - even Empy: this should be obvious. Active contributing people are helping and revealing themselves at the same time. If you add something to discuss, you're valuable. If you fake doing it, you may become suspicious later. No need to stab a good citizen taking your chances. As for not lynching a lurker(who didn't post but only voted): Just look at what he said, guys! "If you're just a townie, you better not stir up confusion" that includes remaining silent, when you have nothing to say. It doesn't mean you're counterproductive or inactive, and even though this group has mafia members in fairly high %, if they didn't discuss activity internally, it's still not always worth it. Should Ace got it clear that inactives are getting removed / their roles redistributed, he would have lynched someone from this group, I'm sure. But he could have hit someone who just got a role of an inactive anyway. Same stab-in-the-dark chances. Sorry if this post is not really coherent, I just woke up and read through all the 10ish pages that popped while I slept. Edit: Huge wall of text critically hits you for 666. You die  Sorry guys  | ||
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On March 20 2008 17:13 Alventenie wrote: Honestly Naib, if a townie was lurking, they aren't adding anything. They should post, even if its just to say they like Ace's plan, agree with the questions being asked about it, mostly because it shows them posting. As said before in another post, Townies naturally will be telling the truth (or i hope so, they have nothing to hide), while Mafia will be trying to lie and appear to be telling the truth. Eventually the lies will catch up to them and they will be caught. That's a valid point, but if that townie has a blue role (may it be not THAT important, but imo every blue is important) he might cling to it as a baby, and be afraid to post in order to not reveal himself by some accident, or even getting into the spotlight of the mafia. That's another thing to consider. Again, I don't support this behaviour, but we need to think with the other people's heads! It doesn't matter how 'gosu' in this game Ace is, if he can't project the likely actions of 'lesser-qualified' (ie more inexperienced in Mafia games) people, may it be mafioso or townie. | ||
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On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote: so...... we are lynching quiet people to force them to post? Do you realize how useless a strategy that is? No, no, no and again a NO! That is not a strategy! That is a strategy for the first lynch only and nothing else. I feel I explained it quite well, feel free to read it all again (Ace can back it up of course, I bet he can form better arguments seeing English is his first language, and not mine ) | ||
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On March 21 2008 00:11 fusionsdf wrote: It doesnt matter what lynching it is its still stupid especially when you have a gift like empyrean A "gift" oh yeah. Definitely. I'd really suggest you to read through the thread again. | ||
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@ French_Toast: 4 pool is easily countered even when not scouted properly at today's standards. On March 21 2008 05:36 Lysithea wrote: Why are people waiting for a dt to confirm? Wasn't the whole point that if no dt/bg speak up against Ace's townmanship he's considered legit? Only thing we're waiting for is for the dts to have ample time to be sure they've done their thing. How long we wait is up to the masses I guess. Because some people clearly didn't read that post where it was explained, or misunderstood it. So maybe there's need for more reiteration. Next random topic popping up: I think as Ace put it, we waited enough for a detective to speak up and prove his innocence. It might sound as a gamble if we believe they have done so, and didn't speak up according to plan so Ace is innocent - since there's always a chance they missed posts for 2 days straight, didn't agree with the plain due to plain selfishness or didn't know that they can use their role anytime. But as Ace said that, we're as good as dead in this case. Another note worth mentioning about this topic, since the 2 days (I assume Chuiu meant game-days, not "real" days, he'll correct me if I'm wrong I guess) that he'll redistribute the blue roles off of inactive people. But that's not done yet! So if we PM our roles now to Ace, as a townie, out of our best interest - it might still cause problems! What if I was a mere townie, just PMed Ace, then a few hours later I would have to be like "oh, hehe X was inactive, I got his Jack role, now count me in as Jack." He could believe I'm not lying then it would be fine, or it could be just a mafia ploy for even more confusion. Of course Ace's plan has holes, but why would he post every possible hole? It's enough to post holes that you know the solution for, so you can lure the mafia into your trap Let their heads ache and may all of them act out of desperation by the sound of the new plan - even if it's not an insta-win of course. But we really do need a strategy (sad for those that don't get it and act selfish, like some of the above - just lynch them along with shit-strirrers I say, problem solved! This is no democracy!) | ||
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Oh and Shallow: ur mum ;( See: the above one-liner is the quality of most of your posts made here. And it's not only me noticing / saying (Hell, it's not even only about Mafia but TL in general, just look around). Maybe everyone on the road is going on the wrong side...but maybe it's you? /derailment off Can't wait to see who dies when they day arises...That'll be how much hours approximately from here on? | ||
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On March 21 2008 08:19 Falcynn wrote: TBH mafia is originally supposed to be played without any clues and you usually win using strategies like what we're using (ok...not really like them, but close enough). Clues are only used for large internet games where it's hard to personally get to know people and understand their character. Now it hits me! That's why this game was so familiar yet so new. I've played it offline couple o' dozen times, once at a long chess-competition (at night after the day's matches, instead of resting). It's hella fun. | ||
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I didn't mean general as "French_Toast's posts in general". You take everything personal edit: the followup part of my post that you quoted can be misunderstood, too, and I think you took it on yourself: it's directed at Shallow[bay] to try to get him get his act together. Well that's too much posting from me again: I'm off to sleep. | ||
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On March 21 2008 16:13 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: chuiu needs to make day post asap !Well, you can't just "do that" even though we got way less spam this time (wait until next clues are out though, I'm sure that'll mean +20 pages under 5 hours ). Even though the Town has very few things to do atm, the Mafia needs a lot of time to organize (20 people in a PM madness can be pretty time-consuming) So let's just wait and pray for our lives | ||
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On March 21 2008 20:24 Pangolin wrote: How is it that you are so familiar with the troubles of being a mobster? Were you mafia last game or something? I didn't play last game, but just imagine it! (or read what Empy wrote about the first game) | ||
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On March 22 2008 20:40 araav wrote: ...(edited out 'cause it's irrelevant) and if a paramedic happened to save me, thanks and please pm me, you must be sure i am a townie if i was saved. will try to contribute later You would know if a paramedic was protecting you should you have incurred a hit as it is stated in the game rules. You could have been protected by a paramedic but not get hit, if you didn't get a PM about it. (correct me if I'm wrong here please, but I'm positive that I'm right) I didn't read through the clue interpretations (I skipped them on purpose so I can post my own ideas), I have an even stronger suspicion about Ghar than I had the day before, therefore I'll vote for him (pretty soon). I guess it's kinda obvious, but I'll toss this in here anyway: it's because the "being sorrounded" quotes. 2 of the very same kind, imo, can't be a coincidence. Edit: Bolded Ghar's name and added reason | ||
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I think Lostyourskills, L, and Hittegods are very suspicious too, but imo, we're on the wrong track with Ninja4ever. I would post a longer explanation if I had the time (feel free to troll me with "BANDWAGONER OMG!" for it). | ||
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On March 22 2008 23:47 JeeJee wrote: ah yes it could be you too, good catch. also, i recall someone quoting araav saying "i think i was protected, and the medic, can you PM me since you know im innocent" or something like that. well someone quoted him and said you should get a pm if you were protected.. my question is, assuming he was really protected, why would he ask for the medic to msg him? on the other hand, if he wanted the identity of the medic, it becomes more likely for his affiliation to be mafia You misunderstood me. You don't get a notice if you're being watched, only if you are watched, targetted by an attack and saved! Quoting the rules now to make it even more clear: "Paramedic (...) A clue will not be left behind if he is saved, the town won't know who was saved, but I will let the Paramedic and the person saved know if they were targeted and saved." I guess that also means, that for example, if 2 paramedics are protecting X, and X gets hit by 2 mafia, he won't get a notice "Hey you were hit by 2 mafia, but 2 medics saved your ass" but only "you were hit and saved". Both medics would get a PM like this in this case: "X, that you protected, was hit, but he's still alive." This way, both medics would know that the person they watched for is saved, but they wouldn't know that more than 1 medic was watching him, nor they would know if there were more than 1 mafia hits. That's my interpretation, and I'm fairly sure it's correct. If Chuiu or anyone more experienced finds a flaw in my explanation, feel free to point it out. | ||
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Sorry, I didn't intend to answer that part of your post, I think I misunderstood you a bit, thinking that you didn't "get" that whole "when-you-get-a-PM" thing. Sorry for that. As for your explanation, yes, that's one side of the argument - but maybe he just wants someone to share information with? Like, a smaller work-group that Ace is putting together. Maybe I'm just naive | ||
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Poor Mynock was not only killed - seriously, that's a damn execution! Ace is 99% innocent because of: 1, the detective-plan. It was (hopefully) accepted by at least 1 detective to check him out, and if he's not legit ("What is Ace's original role?" question ) then speak up and sacrifice oneself. 2, his mentioned ongoing PM convo with Mynock, predicting Mynock would be dead and being sad about not being able to organize paramedic defence. Although this could be a clever feint, it's unlikely, especially combined with reason #1. I'd say we lynch Ghar - he pretty much disappeared from the thread anyway after his first few attempts at self-defense vs the Day 1 clue, I'd say he'd be the most certain hit. Ace knows a few more, but imo it's better that he saves his information - and if he's sure, and if he has any Jack / Vigilante that reported in, he can send them to do the killing. (if we need it - maybe we can save their power for later, and just go on by lynching day by day. Should we kill all the likely mafia canditates, we might run out of targets for the next lynch. That's a point to consider, even though more clues will surely pop up.) | ||
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Ghar, you're going down next time >.< | ||
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On March 24 2008 07:47 ZBiR wrote: Yeah, I vote for them being dismembered by four polar bears! Who all yell "Waaah, fresh meat!!" right? Anyway, I think I know where Ace lied to lure Mandalor into his trap, of course I won't reveal that in public (Ace would have done that if he wanted to, it would work vs us if we just told the Mafia about the method). | ||
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On March 24 2008 08:29 Ace wrote: Also, after today's vote we'll see who didn't vote at all and bump them up in the suspect list. I'm pretty sure Chuiu bumps those out of the game faster than we'd bump them on the suspect list My #1 is Ghar. For the MSPaint, and the 2 "being sorrounded" like references (yeah, just kinda quoting myself from earlier). I don't suspect Pink or French, I'd say they're just stirring cr*p immaturely. I find Showtime!' behaviour a bit erratic, but I have to look up his posts once again before I accuse him of anything. That, I will do in the morning because I'm dead tired now. P.s.: Happy Easter Holidays Mandalor! | ||
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(in other words: hey, I am not suspicious of you! )P.s.: Nice lynching Ace, way to go! | ||
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On March 24 2008 20:50 Plexa wrote: Lets analyze your position shall we? If you were going to be mafia you would be cottonmouth + Show Spoiler [Cottonmouth] + Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door. NeaX didn't care anymore, he started going to the front door when two knives met his hand as he reached for the handle. He braced himself against the wall as he pulled them out with his good hand. He chucked them back at Cottonmouth and went to open the door again but one by one four more knived embraced his good arm. NeaX managed to get the door open and was crawling out while they were distracted by goldenkrnboi but Cottonmouth quickly picked up his target once more and finished him off throwing three knives into each of his legs and three in his back. - Knives = weapon of choice - Leaves his victims to die slowly (- Not present in opening night) Now lets examine you.. Your ID Ninja4ever implies that you are a stealthy weapons master, and that you are well a ninja. Your sig is a Ghandi quote, interesting paradox really. On top of that you have said v-e-r-y little and nothing important at that. Basically the only connection between you and Cottonmouth is your id. However, Ninja's tend to work alone - so working in a group doesn't fit with the id. However the precision of the knives does suggest ninja like precision. Your persona also does not match that of Cottonmouth. With nothing else to go on, i'd say that the conclusion is inclusive at best. And an estimated probability of Mafia to be 10%... There isn't enough evidence to suggest anything after one night - and im sure there are better candidates out there. He was also connected to the clue jumping from the roof, surprising the victim striking from the shadows (lights were out). I'd say that clue would definitely point to Ninja4ever as very vague at best, but could be connected to someone else easier. | ||
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On March 26 2008 06:35 qrs wrote: (...) Ahrara, the logic behind Ace's plan is very simple: simply a way to narrow down who the Mafia are. It only works if people follow it. Why would you abstain? There aren't enough detectives to check everyone individually (...) That's why he said he'll vote for a random person, so the detective can check the group along with him (if he votes with a small herd, a detective checking that out [unlimited ability: "How many of the people that voted for X are mafia?" question] could easily validate his trustworthyness to Ace) Please, guys, this is like the 3rd time a question like this comes up. At least try to remember what each member of the game can do (especially detectives, everyone seems to forget their abilities)Edit #2: screwed up quoting, that was the reason for my edit | ||
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Then proceed with lynching both. | ||
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On March 29 2008 00:37 Ace wrote: I've also just realized I might know how dinmsab got killed. I was about to ask that. I mean he didn't say anything in the thread (did he even post? I surely missed it), so my first impression seeing him die AND being a detective had me puzzled - I guess your group's security was compromised? Well, I'm glad you know how to deal with it...because as things are now with everyone flaming one another, I sure as hell don't keep up to date with this thread anymore... | ||
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On March 29 2008 01:43 Ace wrote: Well this much is certain, Ghar is about to be dropped off the suspect list. Whether he is Mafia or not right now isn't a concern. Bumatlarge is suspect #2, and wurm is suspect #1. Just to clarify, you want us to vote for suspect #1 OR #2 according to your list (NOT both) and then do whatever we want with our second vote, right? | ||
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On March 29 2008 02:44 Ghar wrote: What was your original intention with the double lynch if the second vote is to vote whatever? More detective data collection? I think it just made things a bit more confusing. He divided the active people into 2 colums so suspect #1 and #2 still gets lynched, AND he can narrow down on the Mafia with the detectives, too. It's really not that complex, duh. | ||
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I just hope Ace now knows who the impostors are (or well, if he's mafia, then it's good riddance anyway , but I seriously doubt that still.) | ||
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On April 04 2008 05:44 Empyrean wrote: I don't think this is game affecting: It's very possible that the detective deaths were a result of mostly chance. The mafia had to have known that I was a detective, or at least being protected, since they probably tried to kill me on previous nights. That being said, I wonder if I'm allowed to post my number one suspect? I doubt it, though, so I won't. Why "probably" ? You would know that you were targetted, if you were. Or did I misread something again at the rules section? Besides, don't answer this please, as it'd be against the rules, but still. If you didn't know you were attacked while having protection, then you weren't attacked (afaik). I'm waiting on what Ace has to say now. | ||
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I really don't have time atm to rehearse about clues, but I will do so on Monday at the latest, and see if I can come up with something smart (props to Plexa, btw). Go town! Let's rape some mafia EZ. And Ace, since you didn't say so yet, no roleblock? Maybe a double-lynch while we can, to weed out some? (if we find 2 really noteworthy suspects, that is). My other vote could be TranceStorm (or Energies ) | ||
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Back to reading clues. | ||
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)Edit: p.s.: if you don't release the name we're still in trouble with inactives, I fail to see how that would change anything p.p.s.: props to you Chuiu for still maintaining us whole whiny bunch, while withholding your pain! You clearly deserve more credit for this than what you get. I hope it's getting better. | ||
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Going off to the vote thread to declare my votes on Seifu and Evilmonkey. | ||
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Some mentioned suresh0t and the hammer reference (he's holding a hammer in his hand on his profile picture). He didn't really try (although he did) to defend himself, unlike a few mafia that we charged - I guess (this isn't hard to figure out) that they're all trying various tactics on evading the charges thrown at them. I find his behaviour suspicious, too. I'd encourage those smarter than me to go further on these people. And LostYourSkills, too (he really has nothing in his profile, this has been cited over a dozen times. And that habitual luck is so outstanding...) | ||
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edit: Grammar (added "also" into the Saboteur sentence ) | ||
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On April 18 2008 00:49 MTF wrote: In the past I've stated a few times suspicions against randombum because of "the right mayor" being mentioned (started his campaign way before Day 1 came), and that several known Mafia switched their votes to him at the last moment. I'm still suspicious and this just adds to that, but we definitely need more clues before we go after him. Edit: And yes, Chuiu does an amazing job. <3 Edit 2: mebbe, sorta need more clues to go after him. I dunno, the fact that Chuiu left him out from Day 1 - Day 6 still tells me that the "right mayor" clue was pretty major, enough for Chuiu to maybe be scared of making any more direct clues aimed at Blue for awhile. A counter-argument that you should (imo) take notice on is that we got asked as a whole, by Ace and those discussing the mayoral voting that we should switch votes from Ace to randombum, in order to not let Empyrean get a position of power. So maybe those Mafia were just trying to hide amongst innocent townies, therefore this may not be a reason to draw our suspicion on randombum (I don't say your standpoint is entirely incorrect, but I'm saying let's not take haste. We got stronger leads to go after, like L or spoinka, etc.) | ||
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Now let's kill L, if we see the daylight once again! | ||
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On April 21 2008 05:44 fusionsdf wrote: or you know, since its a note with someones name on it who dies because of the note almost like a deathnote Not to mention the Death Note references (to L obviously) only came up AFTER someone in the thread mentioned that L should be connected with Death Note-ish clues, should he really be Mafia. I'd say that's more than suspicious | ||
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Well, gl to the town! You ought to win | ||
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