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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 12 2008 06:37 GMT
#6541
I'm surprised Chuiu's not replacing me.

I mean I'm not surprised. Because I'm mafia.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 12 2008 06:40 GMT
#6542
Technically TOWNIES is the name applied to EVERY role because Chuiu can't call it anything else because he'd reveal too much.

The only thing he arguably did wrong was write it in green but any decent townie would know it's not proof of their innocence. The hardest part was like what others said - clues.

I think the townies should have just stayed with the inactives and kept the game going (no offense to the new guys brought in) to avoid all this :/
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
July 12 2008 06:48 GMT
#6543
Draw and new game imo.

It's just gonna take far too long for either side to kill the other. Take that from someone who knows both sides atm. Just call it a draw and have it over.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
July 12 2008 07:01 GMT
#6544
Welcome brave new fighters for a better world without mafia. May you survive the nights and destroy the evil lurking in the darkness.
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
July 12 2008 07:10 GMT
#6545
bah, im just waiting to play the next game t.t
Teamliquidian townie
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 12 2008 07:13 GMT
#6546
Sorry, I should have mentioned that Sat and Sun I'll be away at a fighting games tournament.

But at least I should be able to make some posts during Night 19. And maybe vote if I get back early enough on Sunday (but I'll probably be so hyped up from the tournament that I might forget T_T).

Man, I suck.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 12 2008 08:18 GMT
#6547
Just so people know, I agree with the mafia... replacing townies was the wrong thing to do.. the game should have been kept closed and mass pm's would have solved the problem..

it's not like the mafia have suffered from inactivity either anyways... i guess back to the game?
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
July 12 2008 08:31 GMT
#6548
Chuiu should have included a disclaimer on how the replacements work. Would clues be related to the old or new names? Why are the names green? Green by convention denotes a townie, an innocent inhabitant of Liquidia, so green is misleading.
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
July 12 2008 09:33 GMT
#6549
using a green name for the replaced players is a bit strange. I hope the color does not indicate anything. btw is there a current list of confirmed innocents and suspecs with reasons why they are suspicious?
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
July 12 2008 18:22 GMT
#6550
So... what will this game come to now? :/

And more importantly - will there be a next round?
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 12 2008 18:28 GMT
#6551
If there's a next round we need a way to make sure people are active. Maybe they have to PM Chuiu to say that they've read the Day/Night or something.
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Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
July 12 2008 18:42 GMT
#6552
On July 13 2008 03:28 mikeymoo wrote:
If there's a next round we need a way to make sure people are active. Maybe they have to PM Chuiu to say that they've read the Day/Night or something.


I'm sure Chuiu has better things to do than read ~100 PMs every time he makes a post I can imagine the vote tallying is a hassle as it is.

Maybe Chuiu could ask a friendly admin to program an automated voting feature for the Mafia game?
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
July 12 2008 18:45 GMT
#6553
lol i can't believe the mafia are complaining about replacing inactive townies

hey, maybe the number of kills you get should be related to the number of active mafia. wait no that wouldn't work because mafia don't have as much of a reason to 'afk out' from the game because they have a role

unless you actually have a suggestion as to how to fix the inactive problem aside from replacing them, then crying won't help at all. keep in mind this game is balanced when all the townies are active. the only reason this game is close is because half the town is afk.

IMO replacing is still the way to go except now just list them as "players" rather than "townies" as townie implies innocence (although a mafioso is still a townie, else he wouldn't be able to vote)
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
July 12 2008 19:33 GMT
#6554
I feel like the biggest problem with this game (which made people go inactive, including me) is the size. No one wants to keep up with hundreds of pages and thousands of posts. Keep the size of the game down to like 15-20 and make it last only 2 days or so. As soon as people have to wait 4-5 days for posts because it's such a pain in the ass to make an update for the game master, it loses a lot of its fun.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
July 12 2008 19:46 GMT
#6555
let's start a new game ^^
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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
July 12 2008 20:22 GMT
#6556
On July 13 2008 03:45 JeeJee wrote:
lol i can't believe the mafia are complaining about replacing inactive townies

hey, maybe the number of kills you get should be related to the number of active mafia. wait no that wouldn't work because mafia don't have as much of a reason to 'afk out' from the game because they have a role

unless you actually have a suggestion as to how to fix the inactive problem aside from replacing them, then crying won't help at all. keep in mind this game is balanced when all the townies are active. the only reason this game is close is because half the town is afk.

IMO replacing is still the way to go except now just list them as "players" rather than "townies" as townie implies innocence (although a mafioso is still a townie, else he wouldn't be able to vote)


First, we are not complaining about replacing inactive players, we are complaining about replacing players and declaring their role.

Also, If the game is balanced when all the townies are active, and it is close with 1/2 the town inactive then it clearly isn't balanced if the whole town was here.

Finally, there are more inactive mafia than everybody is suggesting,
Theres at least 5 or 6 already dead mafia who weren't involved or were barely involved in our actions at all.
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
July 12 2008 20:26 GMT
#6557
I never declared their role. You did. If you look at my post their names are in bold, not in green. The people I killed off are green because they 'lost' their role. This is the last time I'm going to say this.
♞
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
July 12 2008 20:36 GMT
#6558
On July 13 2008 05:22 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2008 03:45 JeeJee wrote:
lol i can't believe the mafia are complaining about replacing inactive townies

hey, maybe the number of kills you get should be related to the number of active mafia. wait no that wouldn't work because mafia don't have as much of a reason to 'afk out' from the game because they have a role

unless you actually have a suggestion as to how to fix the inactive problem aside from replacing them, then crying won't help at all. keep in mind this game is balanced when all the townies are active. the only reason this game is close is because half the town is afk.

IMO replacing is still the way to go except now just list them as "players" rather than "townies" as townie implies innocence (although a mafioso is still a townie, else he wouldn't be able to vote)


First, we are not complaining about replacing inactive players, we are complaining about replacing players and declaring their role.

Also, If the game is balanced when all the townies are active, and it is close with 1/2 the town inactive then it clearly isn't balanced if the whole town was here.

Finally, there are more inactive mafia than everybody is suggesting,
Theres at least 5 or 6 already dead mafia who weren't involved or were barely involved in our actions at all.



p1: that's fine, if only it'd have happened. I guess to make it clear, Chuiu could refer to them as participants or whatever and not color their name if it helps you

p2: yes. let's not forget the fact that mafia got the list of the blues too

p3: yes. now if only it affected you guys somehow... you know, similar to how it's affecting town right now

=)
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
July 12 2008 20:50 GMT
#6559
Also I don't feel like digging through my PM's right now but on a few occasions someone from mafia side have stated that all the mafia members were active. Its only now that I start replacing people that mafia start bitching about their members being inactive.
♞
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
July 12 2008 20:53 GMT
#6560
On July 13 2008 05:22 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2008 03:45 JeeJee wrote:
lol i can't believe the mafia are complaining about replacing inactive townies

hey, maybe the number of kills you get should be related to the number of active mafia. wait no that wouldn't work because mafia don't have as much of a reason to 'afk out' from the game because they have a role

unless you actually have a suggestion as to how to fix the inactive problem aside from replacing them, then crying won't help at all. keep in mind this game is balanced when all the townies are active. the only reason this game is close is because half the town is afk.

IMO replacing is still the way to go except now just list them as "players" rather than "townies" as townie implies innocence (although a mafioso is still a townie, else he wouldn't be able to vote)


First, we are not complaining about replacing inactive players, we are complaining about replacing players and declaring their role.

Also, If the game is balanced when all the townies are active, and it is close with 1/2 the town inactive then it clearly isn't balanced if the whole town was here.

Finally, there are more inactive mafia than everybody is suggesting,
Theres at least 5 or 6 already dead mafia who weren't involved or were barely involved in our actions at all.


The town did an AMAZING good job at rooting out Mafia. Plexa, Ace, MTF and others did a tremendous job here. Mafia on the other hand was playing sloppy (even though you even had the whole lost of blues), that's why you don't deserve the win.

Also, even tho the mafia had 5 or 6 inactives, it hurt you what? Jack shit, because it only takes 1 active mafia for the whole fraction to act according to plan, while the Town doesn't have this luxury.

And, since the game was basically played with 30 less people for Town than it should have been, I think it's a clear cut victory for Town all things considered. 30 more people would have made things so much more difficult for Mafia - more targets to aim for, lots more analyzing, less potential misses due to randomly lynching inactives, etc, etc...

Inactivity only hurt the Town, that's the bottom line. Mafia knows everything beforehand, so in the extreme case of say, 1 active person in the Town fraction, and 1 active person in the Mafia fraction at the start of the game, Mafia wins on first night. In this case, the odds were stacked against Town, but still it took so long for all the actives to perish. Honestly, this can't be a Mafia win after all that happened.
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