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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 17 2008 12:36 nemY wrote: Well that could be explained if he used his beak to grab him - and then losing his balance because he lunged forward to grab himWell I don't want to blindly take everything you say as fact now do I? Although, I have to give credit when it's due, I think you've been spot on for the most part. I'm nowhere near the cunning puzzle decipherer that you are, but it's not too much of a stretch to believe that at least one of the "puzzle solvers" (I'll use that term to avoid using the term "detective") is working on the inside. With insider information that only a few people know are privy to, can you blame me for being worked up a bit? One thing to think about in regards to the King Brown Snake being crazie-penguin King Brown Snake grabbed Caller's legs and he fell over after he lost his balance. Caller got a leg free and kicked off the maddened King Brown Snake but wasn't in the clear yet. Penguins shouldn't be able to physically grab someone should they? Not trying to defend him and it's possible Chuiu unintentionally thought of that but... something seems fishy eh? That being said the evidence is mostly stacked in favor of crazie-penguin and his defense is... laughable to say the least. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On April 17 2008 12:42 Plexa wrote: Well that could be explained if he used his beak to grab him - and then losing his balance because he lunged forward to grab him A penguin grabbing both of someone's legs with his beak though? I realize that I'll probably be suspect #1 if I turn out to be wrong in defending crazie-penguin, but do you really think your explanation is plausible? | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On April 17 2008 12:33 Plexa wrote: I think L is right, given that he is blue (0.00000005% chance btw) then its super likely the mafia will kill him off tonight. If he lives, we can easily lynch him tomorrow. The rationale here is, why waste a lynch on L while there is still a minute chance that he is innocent. Lynching a mafia today won't decrease the kill count so we can take some time and lynch craziepenguin instead, lynching L tomorrow on the double lynch Agreed. Instead of lynching L tonight, let's see if he survives the night. Meanwhile focus energies on one of the strongest suspects we have, crazie-penguin. The logic behind this is that we don't waste our single lynch today on someone who either turns up dead anyway tonight or is pretty much (not that I'm not already thoroughly convinced) confirmed mafia if he doesn't tomorrow, while at the same time getting to find out if one of our strongest suspects who we can't confirm tomorrow is mafia or not. So, I'm switching my vote to Crazie-Penguin, and then decide on L after the next day comes. It's the best course of action we've got. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 17 2008 12:47 nemY wrote: In the world of mafia its plausible.. but unlikely to be real A penguin grabbing both of someone's legs with his beak though? I realize that I'll probably be suspect #1 if I turn out to be wrong in defending crazie-penguin, but do you really think your explanation is plausible?  i dno.. i think it holds, theres certainly enough evidence to warrant a lynching imo... although i feel DrDragoon is also a very strong candidate as Mr Brown;+ Show Spoiler + As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring. Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. Note that every time Mr Brown chases someone, theres the indecipherable yelling. Note too that he speaks rather well, and he is quite an able fighter - not killing with guns but with his hands. This all seems rather contradictory HOWEVER; A dragoon is a soldier who fights on foot but relocates on horseback. The yelling is indecipherable BECAUSE ITS A HORSE In addition to that, he is a soldier which fits everything else about him. The match is SO perfect its rediculous. Also, note that even though dragoons use a particular weapon to kill people - beatings by physical means are not out of the question because they are soldiers after all and the fact that Mr Pink persuaded Mr Brown against using his weapon the first time DrDragoon this game you really were mafia + Show Spoiler [DrDragoon info] + Fairly active prior to role release, only voting and random comments; Voted for: Randombum for mayor Kuja900 on Day 2 Abstain on Day 3 Abstain on Day 4 No vote on Day 5 | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
And if anyone tries to point out MidnightGladius here, this isn't quite like that; MidnightGladius got pegged as Mafia for being the only guy with a heavy sword reference to a character who only showed up once and used a sword, as well as it being supposedly down to me and him for finding Mafia in a list. King Mountain Snake has shown up three different days and the clues I've linked are more specific than just a sword. | ||
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nemY
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On April 17 2008 13:08 nemY wrote: Well, I didn't much expect my analysis to hold much water among the elite "puzzle solvers" such as yourself or Plexa. Later on I'll try to see if I can scrounge up anything. Let me be clear here by saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning my or Plexa's or anybodies analysis, so long as you provide good reasoning against whatever has come up. Which the grabbing aspect was, I just don't think it stands up against all that is for him being a match. In fact, I think it's a damned good thing to do, alongside doing your own analysis, especially when it prevents an innocents kill or provides new information. Qrs proved me wrong a little while back showing that I missed a number in one of the Day posts by doing just that, and though I responded hostilely at first (sorry qrs, scorch) it was a very good thing he did; it brings us to new clues, new suspects, and takes heat off someone who I thought matched the clues beforehand. So, by all means, fire away if you have arguments, guys. Just make sure to provide reasoning alongside "I think you're wrong". | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 17 2008 13:20 MTF wrote: 100% agree, the more people we get active the better the town is Let me be clear here by saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning my or Plexa's or anybodies analysis, so long as you provide good reasoning against whatever has come up. Which the grabbing aspect was, I just don't think it stands up against all that is for him being a match. In fact, I think it's a damned good thing to do, alongside doing your own analysis, especially when it prevents an innocents kill or provides new information. Qrs proved me wrong a little while back showing that I missed a number in one of the Day posts by doing just that, and though I responded hostilely at first (sorry qrs, scorch) it was a very good thing he did; it brings us to new clues, new suspects, and takes heat off someone who I thought matched the clues beforehand. So, by all means, fire away if you have arguments, guys. Just make sure to provide reasoning alongside "I think you're wrong".  If me, MTF, fusionsdf and a bunch of others get knocked off then where will the town be?! Obviously, if you guys are also analysing then yano, town won't be as fucked haha | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
@qrs: there's so much I have to take care of behind the scenes you've got no idea why things keep going wrong. I've literally had over 100 PMs about all kinds of stuff this game and it's not easy trying to decipher the liars from the innocent. Either way everything I've done so far has brought the town closer to victory. What exactly have you done besides criticize from day 1? If enough people change their votes to crazie-penguin then let's lynch him, but before that can we find even stronger clues to him, or at least another suspect if we are going to leave L alive? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Mandalor Queasy d.arkive blindalbino EvilMonkey L crazie-penguin Dr.Dragoon 8/20 If we catch the others on the Mandalor List, assuming L is Mafia we'd have another 9. Giving us 17/20 Mafia. | ||
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Scorch
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Camlito
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HeRoS)Pink
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On April 17 2008 17:12 Ace wrote: I think it's better to kill L asap, and double lynch our other targets tomorrow. @qrs: there's so much I have to take care of behind the scenes you've got no idea why things keep going wrong. I've literally had over 100 PMs about all kinds of stuff this game and it's not easy trying to decipher the liars from the innocent. Either way everything I've done so far has brought the town closer to victory. What exactly have you done besides criticize from day 1? If enough people change their votes to crazie-penguin then let's lynch him, but before that can we find even stronger clues to him, or at least another suspect if we are going to leave L alive? I do agree with you , why? if L turns out to be mafia and since he's one of the player having the most poeple defending him he could be the saboteur The thing you explained about having 7/7 confirmed + L claiming to be a dt but failed to save someone yet. when empyrean died mafia probably put 2 hits on him to make it look less suspicious When plexa got hit 2 times I guess L was in the the medic defending him so they put 2 hits on him(but in this case there were 3 medics on him 2 legit , 1 false) And finally about the decaf situation they probably put 2 hits on him too for the same reason. So I guess for all those who are defending L you arent reading the thread or you are mafia trying to defend another mafia. EDIT : If we let L alive , tonight the mafia wont kill him for sure even if he's medic, Why? because we will lynch him the next day so they wont waste a kill on him. so we are better killing him now then later. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On April 17 2008 19:59 HeRoS)Pink wrote: EDIT : If we let L alive , tonight the mafia wont kill him for sure even if he's medic, Why? because we will lynch him the next day so they wont waste a kill on him. so we are better killing him now then later. Nobody but L is defending L. Me, Plexa, Camlito, and Scorch all are in favor of keeping L alive for just this cycle (not defending him). Even with the chance of Mafia keeping him alive intentionally if he's blue, we still gain from keeping him alive for just this round, because there is still a very, very slight chance of his innocence and we get another strong suspect in the meantime. Let me put it this way: Benefits from Keeping L Alive: - Allows us to target another strong suspect who isn't claiming blue and wouldn't have any reason to be a mafia target during night phase. Thus, if L is blue and mafia do target him, we save our single, valuable lynch for today. - We can put L on one last target as a last chance to prove his innocence; if they come up saved, then we can reconsider his guilt, even if L isn't killed. If who he was protecting died and/or he doesn't get killed, we declare double lynch and take him + another strong suspect. Let's not announce who he protects either, so that nobody can say Mafia knew beforehand who he was protecting. Benefits from Lynching L Today: - We figure out one cycle sooner if L really is blue or not. The benefits of keeping him alive tonight outweigh the benefit of lynching him today. The saboteur bit doesn't mean anything either for lynching him sooner; he can't roleblock the same person twice in a row, so Ace can still declare double lynch next Day phase, and most other important people with roles are dead. (not to mention he'd have to know/guess correctly that someone has a role to roleblock them) | ||
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Plexa
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+ Show Spoiler + Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now. Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door, so JeeJee decided to put his new weapon to good use, he thrusted down hard toward Mr. Black's face but Mr. Black defended with the baseball bat and the knife drove through it. Mr. Black disarmed JeeJee, twisting the bat to the side and bashed him over the head with it. As JeeJee lay stunned on the ground Mr. Black pulled the knife out and drove it through JeeJee's chest ending his life. he panicked and turned around to get out as fast as he could but found three mafia in his way. Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031 but found someone else doing their dirty work for them. "We love what you've done here, but you're just as much a risk to us so you've got to go as well" said Mr. Black. Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground and Mr. Black followed up as they both started viciously beating him. In the first set of clues, Mr Black prevents harm to Copperhead and in effect controls all the damage that JeeJee is able to inflict (note the highlighted passage). In the second set of clues Mr Black talks about "risk" and how Decaf is too much of a risk to stay alive Now, this all coincides nicely with a certain name: DamageControl, join your buddies in mafia hell Just read that passage again and again and keep damagecontrol in your mind and you'll see that the connection is obvious | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
i beleive you are referring to the vomit on the ground in day 2 or 3 NOTE: DC is off the mandalor list 18/20 mafia | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Great, DapperDan thought, as Sidewinder knocked over Mr. Red and Mr. Black. Dinmsab has just put away Mandalor's file and was reviewing the clues from the previous crime scene this evening when he heard something smack his window. He stood up to investigate and peered outside to see a man hurling matter at the side of his house from the ground. (faeces?) The man beckoned him to come out but after inspecting his window he promptly gave him the finger (family guy connection?) and instead went to call the police. (makes sense if some guy was hurling shit at your window) Hitting the door opener and holding the garage door tightly shut to buy himself some time he noticed the fourth man who was outside earlier assaulting his house. Mr. Red charged toward Dinmsab at the same time Dinmsab let go of the door and started running out the garage. Dinsamb smashed into Mr. Red and knocked him off guard (because hes just a little monkey) but almost lost balance himself. As he began picking up speed he heard something singing behind him. He peered over his shoulder to see that California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him. He would have made it free but Mr. Red threw something on the ground ahead of him and he slipped on it (banana?) and landed face first onto the ground. Mr. Red pounced on his back (fits a monkey) and started smashing his legs with a broken piece of rebar. Lenwe spun around and Mr. Red lost his balance and fell to the ground. Just oh my god... Look at all the stuff that in that spoiler and thus we arrive at the conclusion that Mr Red was EvilMonkey Rofl we suck | ||
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