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Ace
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I think Mafia are only keeping you alive just to see your posts | ||
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Ace
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On March 25 2008 14:28 qrs wrote: Do you have any reason besides him not PMing his role? You can't have gotten PMs from all the green townies. I agree that abstaining instead of voting Mandalor (if wurm did that after you posted to vote for Mandalor) is slightly suspicious, but I don't see almost-certainty. On another subject: a comment about the latest detective plan. Instead of spending a detection on the 7 people who voted for Ghar (since only 1/7 are mafia--less than the overall percentage, and only 1 mafioso total), have you considered going after the larger pool of people instead? Put it differently: you mentioned two groups: a group of 58 with 10 mafiosi (1/5.8) and a group of 7 containing 1 mafioso (1/7). You neglected the final group: a group of 58 with 9 mafiosi (1/6.4). Why not get to work on this group? We divide them in half (more or less) every turn, so the sooner we start on the large groups, the better. we've thought about it. The reason we are going into the group with 7, or at least heavily thinking about it is because that would also confirm 6 people as innocent for sure. It's not always about catching Mafia at some points  | ||
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On March 25 2008 17:31 wurm wrote: So... hard... to... choose. Seriously though, just because i didn't pm a role to Ace isn't exactly concrete evidence. either way you're almost guaranteed to be Suspect #1 tomorrow. And I think you are being either incredibly stupid or suspicious. I'm going to explain why right now. This is so far, what I know about the Mafia kill list for night 1 looking like: 1.)Mynock 2.)goldenkrnboi 3.)NeaX 4.)Yogurt 5.)OneBlueAugust 6.)X 7.)Y 8.) 9.) 8 and 9 are unexplained, and possible that Mafia sent in more than 1 hit against one of those names. Out of X and Y, one of those names said they got a PM from you claiming to be a Paramedic. So that person survived one hit against them and lived, and got a PM from you saying you're a paramedic that protected them. Interesting. Because that same person also got another PM from another Paramedic claiming they also protected him. Strange. On the first night, the Mafia sent out a kill list with the same person listed TWICE instead of exercising full power? Doubt it. That kill list would look like this: 1.)Mynock 2.)goldenkrnboi 3.)NeaX 4.)Yogurt 5.)OneBlueAugust 6.)X 7.)Y 8.)Y 9.) So I posted that we've got a Medic problem, and PM'd you to ask you your role after you've been dodging the question for days and you still won't answer me. I think you're scum because at this point I doubt any townie would avoid something that would obviously clear up so much confusion. If you really are a medic, then the suspicion stays on you and Mafia probably wont kill you tonight. If you aren't a medic and a vigilante doesn't kill you tonight, then you are certainly on the chopping block tomorrow. And by that point I wouldn't really care what your role was because your excuse is bullshit. Good riddance ^_^ | ||
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Ace
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wurm = Suspect #1 | ||
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Would it help if I told you one of the Vigi's might kill you tonight? | ||
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no problem on this end | ||
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On March 25 2008 17:49 Pangolin wrote: Well once mobsters like Mandalor and (allegedly) you stop making mistakes and outing yourselves to Ace it will be up to townies to dig up the clues for the detectives to investigate. Using the fact that Ace has a working plan is hardly a reason to disobey his orders. Especially since nothing is stopping you from digging up clues or accusing people based on strange actions just as you would in any other mafia game. Ace only has these foolproof ways to find mafia at the moment so he might as well take them. Eventually I assume he will need good clue interpretations. even when we knew Mandalor was guilty we tried to look at how the clues pointed him out. Either way wurm is blatantly acting too shady and his logic doesn't add up. Using the excuse that you dont like the way I'm playing the game doesn't mean anything. The townies were free to do as they please this whole time and I didn't even start making my plans public till recently. So I think you're bullshitting. If you really were a medic, too bad. You're getting lynched tomorrow or killed tonight by Mafia. | ||
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Ace
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If you're innocent, oh well. There's nothing we can do now you've had a lot of time to prove your innocence. | ||
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On March 25 2008 17:49 wurm wrote: Then you just lost a medic. a medic who went 1/1 on the first night. Seems like I am good at analyzing who the mafia will hit, huh? Before that vigilante will lynch me, i'm pretty sure i can make it 2/2 since i already sent in my save to Chuiu. but who knows? if you sent in your save to Chuiu, how about you PM it to me then? If things match up maybe we'll reconsider what we're about to do. | ||
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On March 25 2008 18:13 Scorch wrote: i don't like this. i can't see any clues pointing towards wurm. i'm blackmailed to vote against wurm anyway because i'm in the first half of voters against mandalor. this sucks. if it makes you feel better we'll label wurm as suspect #2. | ||
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Ace
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This has nothing to do with clues, and all to do with BEHAVIOR. The excuse that people don't like the way I'm playing the game is bull, all wurm had to do was answer a simple question. If he really is a medic what was the point of avoiding giving information that helped the town for so long? It just does not add up. If he's a medic, he's a selfish one at that. Look at the last game and how Alventenie died because a medic didn't protect him. Read the scenario that happened - if case 2 happened where the player was attacked twice wouldn't it make even MORE sense for wurm to contact me and let me know that he protected a high priority target and hey - maybe I should ask him and the other medic to protect them again just in case? This isn't about clues, it's about behavior and right now things are way off. | ||
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On March 26 2008 01:50 qrs wrote: ^Your point being? Ace was saying that wurm (the supposed medic) should have said something if 2 people protected the target. edit: d'oh, you're right. Yeah, Ace should know if 2 people protected Falcynn (or whomever). what? | ||
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On March 26 2008 01:55 qrs wrote: Read Ace's post, then read my post, then read my edit. ;-) There was a hole in what Ace was saying (that wurm should have said something in case 2). I was responding to that, but, yeah, I missed the obvious point that Ace should know what happened anyway. I don't know why he's being tricky about it. Of course I'm being tricky about it, can't let the Mafia know the intention of all my posts | ||
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On March 26 2008 01:57 qrs wrote: @ Ace: Whoever the medic(s) protected knows how many people protected him. He should tell you. but how did you know Falcynn was the person? | ||
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On March 26 2008 01:59 qrs wrote: Because he blurted it out earlier in the thread. I'll dig it up if you want. ok go ahead. Thats all I wanted to know. | ||
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On March 26 2008 02:00 LucasWoJ wrote: Oh, I see. Yeah, the very fact that wurm (if he's a medic) received a PM confirming that he saved someone during the night is reason enough to send Ace a PM and tell him. He should have also sent him a PM before the the new Day post informing Ace of his actions during the night (If someone is saved during the night, then it becomes more plausible that it was your doing since you sent in your actions to both Chuiu and Ace.) right. Even if he doesn't want to listen to my suggestions, if I know who he protected and the person gets hit, whether he lives or dies we can see who the lying medic is by just reconstructing the Mafia hit list. But of course, most people think this is "boring" and just want to add more confusion and anarchy to the town. | ||
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On March 26 2008 02:05 butidigress wrote: Hm, I guess you're right Ace. What happens if he turns up blue? That means he did protect his target as he said, which means something still doesn't add up. I guess we'll see as we go along. the point is even if he does turn up blue, he is making no sense. Just look at his defense when I accused him. Honestly does that sound like anyone who even cares? | ||
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On March 26 2008 05:39 Scorch wrote: Ace himself said that he doesn't care about clues, but behaviour exclusively  almost. Behavior and logic holds 1000000 times more importance than clues. No offense intended, but Chuiu's clues are so hard or pointless there is no point in even going for clues first as a reasonable strategy - every townie even remotely connected would get lynched. Also, clues are coming from a third party source and I 'd rather catch Mafia based on their own mishaps and not what the narrator is giving up. Lastly, the game is not even easy at all. Mafia have a distinct advantage because they dont have to collaborate as much as we do, which means inactive players kill us badly. The kill system in this game requires 1 kill list with 9 names. Thats incredibly way too easy. In the games I've admined all Mafia had to PM their targets to me, and they all had to match up so that they could have successful kills. This way inactive Mafia members are just as much as a burden to them. We've got a few inactive townies, but I guess having about only ~20 or less players missing isn't a big deal right? /sarcasm | ||
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This is the plan for the next Day(he person who came up with this idea will remain anonymous, i just improved on it a bit). We know that from the Ghar List, 1 out of 7 of these people are Mafia: Ghar List - 7 useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey What I'm asking for is for these 7 people to split their votes. The top 3 will vote for randombum tomorrow, and the bottom 4 will vote for myself. This way neither of us stands a very good chance to get lynched tomorrow and we can see who's what. Once the list is split, we'll count check them both again. So it should look like this: randombum - 3 useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Ace -4 Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey If you do not follow this idea, we'll have no choice but to think you're Mafia and autovote to lynch you. I'll be PMing all of you later with this info. I'm also posting this WAY early so no one has the excuse that they did not see it. In addition to that plan, we'll also be splitting the Mandalor Vote. The top 29(excluding me) will vote on Suspect#1 and the bottom 29 will vote on Suspect#2. These suspects will be revealed after tonight. Just like above, anyone who doesn't follow the plan we have no choice but to cast suspicion on them. Double count the #s because my counting may be off. Here's the list: Suspect#1 -29 Showtime! ShaLLoW[baY] qrs clazziquai ahrara_ Falcynn ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero GeneralStan Scorch nemY MidnightGladius decafchicken L Empyrean Eti307 suresh0t randombum Lysithea French_Toast New104 Kau Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever. Naib JeeJee Hittegods SoleSteeler Suspect#2 -29 Romance_us Plexa LucasWoJ Caller Fishball RtS)Night[Mare Jimtudor GranDim Lenwe Alethios NatsuTerran 0cz3c Last Romantic zeks Pangolin SpiritoftheTuna Unforgiven_ve Energies BloodyC0bbler iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito bumatlarge fanatacist ieatkids5 ~OpZ~ SonuvBob Siefu butidigress People on the abstain list or that didn't vote can do what they want. This, along with the way medic protections have been setup tonight will give the mafia a difficult time with targets if they haven't already sent in their hitlist. No matter who dies tonight, this plan will be carried out. Any questions, comments or concerns let them be known. Once again, if you go against this plan we have no choice but to cast suspicions on you. | ||
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