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On February 19 2008 14:18 randombum wrote: Lol alventenie, I like how all your desktop icons are of star craft, and that your running war 3. duh, DotA DotA DotA :D Pusou and So No Fek were the ones who pointed it out. They're both dead. Hmm... | ||
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On February 19 2008 21:14 Tracil wrote: Logic prevails at last~ Shallow was a pretty smooth operator- if he hadn't pulled that stunt early game I seriously doubt I would have been glaring at him at all. To respond to Caller... Please READ MY POSTS. I WILL NOT enter correspondance via PM and said that already. I can confirm that he sent it and actually intended to reveal this post after day broke; you've done it for me. I've yelled about receiving PMs before. I will continue to do so. I find them inherently scummy; if you're mafia and in a PM conversation where everything is secret, you can potentially just kill the guy off before he can spill what you've said to everyone else. Frankly, I find it way more scummy that you send me a PM, then set up this ridiculous argument that "Tracil didn't reply to me, ergo he's kinda scummy!" You haven't even read my posts if you think this is valid in the slightest. As far as the Live2Win thing goes, well. I don't know if he's mafia or not, but in general, him defending me isn't a tell either way *unless* he flips scum. I didn't really associate defending me with being scummy... although it wouldn't be a bad position for scum to take, I suppose. Eh, I guess I'm naturally a bit biased. <-> SUSPICIOUS DUDES. 1) Caller. He said "I am mafia!" earlier. That's really stupid. He's set up this PM thing about how me not replying to it apparently looks bad because I'm the type to discuss things... despite having already said that I don't want PMs and have generally reported them in the past (I intended to report this during daytime.) I don't really know about his case in Live2Win, as although it seems kinda wonky, Live2Win has done a couple things that stand out to me as well. Obligatory Clue: He also has 'mud' in his profile quote, and I remember one mafioso having muddy boots way back! Coincidence?! For now, I vote for Caller. Headsup, people, since we can change our votes there is actually no shame in voting fairly early. He also called for paramedics to protect him- DON'T DO THAT. Let them make up their own frigging minds. 2) People who seem to post as little as possible; i.e. those who only make token gestures and a small effort, and then go on to only state the bleedingly obvious. That's... a lot of people. So I can't REALLY be suspicious on these grounds alone, especially with the size of the game. General hint for late-game when there are less people- look at the guys who are lagging behind in conversation and not posting as much as others when discussion is going full-tilt. 3) FakeSteve. FakeSteve is mayor, he should be talking lots. But he's not! He's posting every now and again and seems to be exercising his mayoral powers as demanded, which is good. But... his lack of any kind of detective work of his own unsettles me greatly. I want to know what he thinks about recent events. I don't want to see him say crap like 'whether or not I'm town or scum is inconsequential, I'm not going to die.' 4) wurm. Wurm said at one point "Everyone is voting to lynch Dr. Dragoon again instead of analyzing the clues", but this post was *right after* a short debate on whether or not one of the clues did, in fact, point to Dr. Dragoon, so... this seemed a bit odd to me. However he does seem to be making large posts, which is pretty cool. 5) MasterofChaos: Isn't actually playing, but I hope he stops pretending. 6) clazziquai: Did this guy say *anything* except to tell Dr. Dragoon to die? 7) Falcynn reacted rather sharply when someone pointed out a clue that seemed to point to him; to be fair, other people were likewise treating it as remarkably solid. I just... didn't really think it was a big deal, but he seemed to overreact a bit. Not too sure here. Here's some quote. <-> I want to double lynch again, yada yada yada. <-> General game note. As the quantity of people alive winds down and the amount of mafia kills left drops, there's one kind of roleclaim that could be very useful- that is, elders. Elders have the power to double vote and are always town. By demonstrating their ability to cast multiple votes, they can effectively prove their townhood. Don't do this YET- you'll just get killed at night most likely- but LATER, perhaps when mafia only have 4-5 kills or so. Like I said Tracil, my suspicion of you is based on Live2Win's guilt. If he flips towny, then there is no reason to suspect you at all. On the other hand, if he flips scum, then you are that much more suspicious. Here's another thing: I sent the PM a long time ago, before Day 2. Why didn't you bring it up then? If you were afraid of dying, that would have to be bull I say, because you're the pardoner and have 3 bodyguards left. Yet another thing: Live2Win has not been targeted by the mafia as of yet-instead, it is TWO of his detractors, BOTH of whom talked about STIM, BOTH of whom died yesterday. You are right to treat me highly suspiciously. I did say that before. However, I leave it up to the town to decide. If I flip mafia, you can be sure that I'm probably screwing around. If I flip towny, on the other hand... then what? | ||
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On February 19 2008 21:58 chicken` wrote: Did yogurt tell us his suspicions, if he had any? i'm too lazy to read tons of pages again, but he was a detective after all and might have tried to convince us to vote for someone who he knew is guilty because he asked chuiu about a clue and got a satisfying answer. he couldn't have said that out loud obviously so maybe it pays to check again.. just a thought.. yogurt, ironically, was suspicious of Zapling. | ||
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On February 19 2008 18:32 ZaplinG wrote: here is a list of people with suspicious profiles: starrek: born March 03, 1953 Empyrean: profile says Dogma: I am God. Empyrean means dwelling place of god in the divine comedy, source of light infinity21: hairstyle Scooter: pen spinning get ladies wet Zelniq: sorry companion Cube, no cake chicken`: 645kpm oot frying pan in the fire, poor johnny - left the stove on Live2Win: accused list on profile shows confidence of not being lynched goldenkrnboi: #1 light hater Drowsy: As the echoes of laughter die out, crawl toward the earth where Gods lie buried Mini Moose 2707: SEN Admin imDerek: keke and halmet quote ieatkids5: 5 in name and procrastination Caller: Bread, apples, very small rocks, cider, horses, sherry, mud, churches, lead (most are things that float, from monty python and holy grail) i actually added that quote in after the game started lol | ||
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"I first suspected FS during his campaign.. or rather, lack there-of. How many posts did FakeSteve make to campaign himself for mayor? Almost none. Yet he won the election. On the other hand our Pardoner, Tracil put a lot out there. He really shared his thoughts and gave out tips. Of course I initial pointed that as a suspicious move, but at this point I admit that my suspicion of Tracil has subsided substantially. Yet even with all of his, "campaigning" he just barely scraped in 13 votes. (Although that probably has a lot to do with my "don't trust Tracil" speech)." this was during your anti fake steve thread. My question is, what has Tracil done since then and now? nothing. He's stayed quiet. | ||
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On February 19 2008 22:51 Tracil wrote: Caller: You're right that I haven't been posting much as I should. Doubly unforgivable due to my ranting about discussion earlier. Sorry 'bout that. The PM I didn't actually see until after night broke; either I didn't check between when you sent it and then, or I just didn't notice that I'd receieved it. I have not been so cool with PMs; my original intent was to reveal them on the spot, but since I received one claiming to be a bodyguard, I wanted to be a bit more cagey about who was sending me what. I certainly didn't want to reveal it during night, though, where town can't really do anything about it and mafia could use the opportunity to perhaps kill you and sow discord throughout town; basically, as discussion material, I felt it was better saved until the day broke again. So. My play hasn't been perfect. However, I disagree with the contention that, if Live2Win is scum, it implicates me. I can see the reasoning. But the points Live2Win stands out to me on are how his actions don't match up there; early in day 1 he was against me, trying to imply that my statements on how the game should be played are wrong/we should be cautious of Tracil. That kinda doubt-spreading sentiment. He retracted that; I assumed he'd been convinced. The thing that still bugs me to the present is how he kept voting for SoMuchBetter- a *null* factor. He'd done pretty much nothing but say 'vote me!' In that I felt he was no better than FakeSteve. So I was surprised when Live2Win did not vote for me, but kept his vote where it was. An explanation was offered and it's... tenuous, I'll grant. His play since day 1, though, has seemed pretty solid. Although.. ugh, now all these little things keep bugging me. For instance, when Dr. Dragoon was lynched, it felt pretty obvious that Shallow was likely scum, yet Live2Win seemed to react with great surprise upon today's dawn. Why? Genuine? I kinda lean towards it being faked, and yet, like I said, it's tenuous. So. I'm not entirely critical of you for going after Live2Win. I just don't really think it'd point to me were he to flip scum. Point taken. Like I said, with no clues, I have no evidence against you right now. Live2Win, however, has clues. | ||
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On February 20 2008 01:49 Aepplet wrote: i'd say we lynch the people who don't talk (unless there is some obvious suspect), because unless people talk, we can't tell who's a mafia easily. assuming everyone takes part in discussion, it would be easier to snare the mafia in their reasoning (and the way they cover for each other). what the mafia wants is to keep a low profile and just let the townies kill each others, only stepping in when they themselves are being threated. therefore, we should force them to start talking or face lynching. No, we shouldn't do that. I disagree. The mafia wants to keep a high profile so as to misinterpret clues and the like and direct them against other people, i.e. the Nightmare incident. If anything, we should get people whom aren't necessarily quiet-quiet people are sometimes blues. | ||
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On February 20 2008 07:24 Eti307 wrote: this is pretty hard. there are zapling theories that seems plausible but on the other hand there are live2win and caller that are suspicious... I vote to lynch Caller after reading the couple of pages I missed last night I think it may be a safe bet eh  can i ask just how i seem suspicious or is this related to that tracil post? | ||
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On February 20 2008 07:49 Eti307 wrote: it is related to Tracil's post. Also the clue where the phone line has been cut can be directed at you. Finally you threw at us a list of suspects without explaining why they were suspects. To me it just looks like you were trying to throw random names here and there but the obvious ones that wasn't for you guys, if you had read the list it was a bunch of random people that i threw for a possible interpretation. that phone clue was so obvious that i really don't think it was related to me... but eh. | ||
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Live2Win Caller Alventenie Nemy (maybe) NotSorry Folca Southlight Caller Nemy (maybe) Tracil Vharox Eti307 Amber[light] SoMuchBetter CDRDude NotSorry Wurm Goldenkrnboi Demonic_phate ZaplinG | ||
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2.) His allegiance to FakeSteve. I've explained in a previous post why I suspect FakeSteve. Therefor, anyone who supported FS I had an eye on... especially those who voted with little reason, as explained the link to my post. These posts give relatively weak reasonings as to why he would vote FakeSteve, or why we should vote for FS. Of course, this doesn't mean he is mafia. It was just enough for a red flag on Caller. I don't see why Fakesteve is as suspicious as any of the other candidates. For all we know, they could all have been mafia. What I did know was that I did not want SoMuchBetter in the pardoner's seat. 3.) His odd posts, as if purposely stirring up trouble when not needed. Here's However, I disagree that we should be focusing elsewhere; the Dr. Dragoon vs. Swallow thing wasn't just a 'mishap'; it was either a blatant mistake on Dragoon's part, or a stupid action on Swallows. I don't think we can really let this slide. The attitudes people take on this will be noted for future days- people should weigh in on it, and I know that if I'm elected mayor, I will likely use the instant-lynch to kill either Dragoon or Caller at this point (the latter because he said 'I am mafia', which is.. well.. dumb.) EDIT: It was a sort of reaction test to see what would happen. In this case, you had a strange reaction when I said that, which I thought was a bit odd. Hmm...[/QUOTE] On February 12 2008 10:30 Caller wrote: there was a smiley face for a reason lol. I thought it might trip up people whom weren't too cautious. Also, do any of the current clues have anything to do with me? Its not like i have a sig, nor is my name overly complicated. His original message was just a simple " ". But one has to wonder, why do this? He explains it's a "reaction test" yet he made no follow up to what he found out. I personally don't think this was a test, but a simple little trick to confuse people.[/quote]It was a trick to confuse people. To see who was overzealous in persecuting just by that little statement. Unfortunately, the only thing it did was rouse some of my suspicion towards Tracil. Now first of all, this means that (assuming I'm a townie) none of the mafia tried to kill me. I'll admit at one point I was convinced that it's because I'm way off with my theories. But right now I'm seeing a possible, more ingenious reason: they can't, so they won't. Think about it: there are 4 paramedics, and there has been a few requests to protect me tonight, both by myself and a few others who trusted me. To the mafia, this guarantees that I will not be killed that night, unless more mafias attacked... yet with 4 medics, it is dangerous to attempt to kill me so early when there aren't that many people they trust to protect yet. In fact, if they attempted to kill me and I was saved, it would PROVE my innocence. The town won't know it, but the target (me) and the medic would both know, and they would let the town know. Once the town saw me as a target, they would assume I was innocent, and try to protect me. In the end the mafia won't be able to kill me until more medics were killed. So instead they're doing something different: they're trying to frame me. They first target the ones who have suspected me as mafia, making me look suspicious. Then they leave me untouched, making me look like a possible mafia. Then as the finale a mafia comes out and directs their finger at me, using the reasons listed above as proof. And who's finger is pointing at me? Caller. I've been wondering about why I'm not dead yet either. If I were a neutral observer, I can think of three scenarios: A) I'm being scapegoated by the mafia so that town can waste a lynch. Many people have been pointing at me as being mafiaso since the beginning, simply to my i suppose not-so-innocent statement. B) I am a mafiaso. This option does not make sense because if they are smart enough to leave Live2Win alive to set him up as a scapegoat, then why would I sacrifice myself to take him out? C) Either the mayor or the pardoner is mafiaso. Now, you may ask why this is the case. Well, I would suggest doing a little thinking :D Although I see your logic Live2Win, why would a mafia knowingly try and implicate themselves to get one towny? If anything, they could gut them at night, no problemo. Edit: In light of Tracil's new statement, I will withdraw my vote from Live2Win for now. Evidently its still too early, even with my evidence and Live2Win's evidence. I change my vote to Amber[Light] who is out to get me for no reason. | ||
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On February 20 2008 10:06 Tracil wrote: Caller: Try not to exclude the possibility that you're a townie and your accusers are likewise of town. Aditionally, when you say 'I am mafia' is a reaction test... well. How DO you expect people to react to it? :/ You're ignoring the fourth possible scenario, which is that all the major players in this argument are townies tripping over themselves. I find that a rather bizzare thing to overlook, if you're in the business of listing possibilities. The fact is that you're not a neutral observer and you just did a rather poor job of putting yourself in their shoes. that actually is part of answer a. There is a 4th scenario: everybody whos a major part in the argument is mafiaso :O <-> Don't think too hard about why you're not dead, people. It literally means nothing. Sure, they could be leaving you alive because your opinion is wrong. Or maybe it's right, and they're trying to trick you and everyone else into thinking it's wrong! Or..so on and so forth. It's not even worth drawing attention to. By extension, don't act as if paramedic protection is or is not going to apply to you, or should have applied to you, and that because you think it MIGHT have, that's some kind of evidence. I'm looking at you, Live2Win. Shit, there is another possiblity that i forgot about. Both Live2Win and I have been calling for paramedics throughout the entire thing. What if the mafia knew about this and...hit other people while meds were protecting us? | ||
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I may have to make a roleclaim. | ||
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On February 20 2008 13:37 Falcynn wrote: Would you care to explain? I mean I have my doubts too, but saying that bluntly seems kind of suspicious... think, how would someone like Fakesteve (the mayor) absolutely know who is a towny? | ||
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On February 20 2008 13:47 Alventenie wrote: well, 2 possibilities, you are A) a mafia, and he is covering up for you or B) a bodyguard, and possibly getting yourself murdered tonight for it =/ im dead anyways arent i at least this way we're not wasting a goddamn lynch edit: besides, there's the paramedic factor that may be accounted. Will the mafia hit people that are as obvious as me, assuming there are no medics? Are the medics going to help me? etc. | ||
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On February 20 2008 13:57 nemY wrote: Let's lynch you... scumbag! I'm still voting Caller because he has me on his hit list !nemy for the last time that was a bunch of people i picked out of the list at random, its nothing personal lol | ||
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On February 20 2008 14:47 Ace wrote: Could the mayor also be randomly assigned the role of Godfather? That would be hawt. theres no godfather in this game | ||
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On February 21 2008 02:39 ZBiR wrote: If you are that suspicious of Steve, then why do you want to spare the guy he wants you to spare? It doesn't make much sense to me. In the worst scenario, there will still be 2 bodyguards, in the best we will not only hit a mafioso, but also spot another one on mayor's seat. Also, the fact that Caller started suggesting that he's a special towny just after FakeSteve's post. It's quite possible that they made this up to form some "organized defense". or maybe its b/c i know who i am and if there are indeed a total of three bodyguards they could speak up and prove not only me wrong but Fakesteve wrong. Actually, you would note that i started suggesting that before Fakesteve's post. Besides, you're wasting a lynch today. Each day that you lynch a towny is actually equal to two towny deaths, not one. Why would Fakesteve expose himself to save someone who's about to be lynched if he is indeed mafia? That would be uncharacteristic of his play so far-idiotic, not like the role he is playing. And here are the quotes. Note the times. FakeSteve[TPR] Canada. February 20 2008 12:31. Posts 5981 PM Profile Blog Quote you guys are unbelievably stupid Caller United States. February 20 2008 09:58. Posts 215 C) Either the mayor or the pardoner is mafiaso. Now, you may ask why this is the case. Well, I would suggest doing a little thinking :D | ||
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On February 21 2008 03:27 chicken` wrote: qft i guess killing fs's bodyguards is a good thing cause we could lynch him soon, he really seems like an arrogant mafia fraud you can lynch people even if they have bodyguards. keep in mind that if the bodyguards die Tracil is exposed as well. | ||
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