Team Liquid Mafia [gg] - Page 2

On February 13 2008 12:55 LTT wrote:
Lynching is during the day.

On February 13 2008 15:39 GeneralStan wrote:
That's ridiculous. Claiming anybody who opposes you is a Mafioso is straight out of a dictatorship. After all of your opponents gone, there will be nobody left to question your excesses, whatever your goal may be.

On February 13 2008 15:42 Tracil wrote:
Look, if you're telling the truth, I think that's still dangerous.

1) If you're not mafia, then you lead both citizens to accuse you, and it becomes possible for the actual mafia to use you as a scapegoat. You basically serve yourself up on a platter.

2) This actually sets a bad precedent, where this excuse becomes somewhat legitimate. For instance, if a mafia slips up, he can then argue that he likewise took a rash action to see 'who opposed and who didn't oppose me'.

Also, you may have slipped up by saying 'if only the mafia know i'm in the mafia'. You meant 'not' in the mafia. These little tells may seem inconsequential. However, as I've said before, it's far more likely an actual mafioso makes a 'small' mistake like that than a townie.

So. Yeah. I can understand, however, that a townie may think this is a strong opening strategy, and this has actually gone some way in lessening my suspicion. I wouldn't accept this out of someone who had claimed to play mafia in the past, for instance.

On February 13 2008 15:55 GeneralStan wrote:
To break down your argument:
1) I'm not a Mafioso because I say I'm not
2) The Mafia would come out in force and denounce you if you weren't mafio
3) Therefore everybody who opposes you is a Mafia.

The problem is all we're hanging on is your word that you're not a Mafia to give you power to squelch anybody who speaks against you?

And you haven't given a reason about why you killed him. A shock test is hardly a reasonable reason to kill somebody, and the fact that he was your detractor just makes you look even slimier.

On February 13 2008 16:20 Tracil wrote:


What?

We don't know for sure whether or not you're a mobster. However, that does not make killing you a no-win situation, because you may still be one. And, as usual, this is a position that can be attributed to any lynch ever pretty much (we're not SURE he's mafia. We're virtually never going to be 100% sure.)

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A lot of people, particularly the accused, say "But if you kill me and I'm NOT mafia, then you look like a moron. I would put it to you that it's the accused who have done stupid things that make them look like mafia. In part, they are responsible for their own image.

Do not let people saying 'but if you lynch me, you might die/look like an idiot/the sky might fall on you' and arguments such as those dissuade you. These are not rebuttals, but appeals to pride and fear.

On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote:
Steve, if you plan to use double lynches every day until you run out, I would be far more hesitant about accusing you and depriving town of that power; I already am, really, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. To wit, you have not stated any particular course of action you intend to take with them.

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Dr. Dragoon... seriously. How can I come to any conclusion but 'one of Dragoon and Shallow is scum'? If you flip town, I fully intend to persue Shallow. But... well.



That puts it best, really, as to why I think you're a better bet than Shallow.

Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults.

On February 13 2008 16:49 Tracil wrote:



Wait. Your goals are secret. Townies do not know your goals. However, the mafia does.

Uh, the only reason the mafia would know what your goals are and townies wouldn't would be.. because.. you.. are.. mafia and colluding with them.

Also, should your goals not be the same as everyone elses, i.e. *killing scum*?

'Unkillable' my ass, I'm voting for you as soon as day breaks. It's not worth leaving you in a position of power if you're going to rely entirely on your rank to keep you above the rope, and then rely on voodoo bullshit 'secret' plans to supposedly out the mafia.