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On June 09 2024 09:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:45 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 09:30 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. i'm confused are you saying that your read on az should make scott read az town if he's town? i am saying scott has a level of trust in me, which means that the mocsta/az interaction going from scum-scum to something else *should* be a meaningful point of discovery yet its not even captured as a point of note, as scott continues go back-forth with az its not even mentioned until prompted by me (timestamps could make it coincidental i guess) tbc, i am not saying scott should townread az because i changed my read. im saying his relation to me should be significant to create a re-evaluation point, like wtf just happened. idk i don't think it's necessarily alignment indicative to not reconsider the person pushing their lynch when others townread them, at least not in a vacuum, unless you have reason to believe that scott in particular would do this as town and not scum? pay attention to this summary post.. in his world view:
1. i am town
2. kelsier scum read has relation to me
3. sandroba scum read has extesion to kelsier which extends to me
4. az scum read has relation to me
5. other scum reads are policy: no activity
in short. i matter
so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not.
On June 08 2024 01:04 scott31337 wrote:
My memory isn't the best - but it was more flagging the post then "Scott is mafia with red flags."
Wouldn't lynch order
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Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me.
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Could lynch order:
Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me.
Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed
die_meatbaby - not enough info
sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad
AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta
So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r.
to re-inforce: who else does he ask this to? answer no one.. i matter in his world view
On June 08 2024 08:32 scott31337 wrote:
Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta?
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On June 09 2024 09:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:50 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 09:40 rsoultin wrote:
like i get getting squirrely when one wagon has way more traction than another i'm just not koshi. or is it vivax? who by the length of a wagon alone that must mean something especially on d1 when scum's largely outnumbered
certainly not when i'm townreading the other wagon
i could be wrong on scott and i'm trying to keep an open mind on that, genuinely. the reads not changing much thing is legit
it's honestly the only argument i've seen on him that i think is decent (sorry)
idk tho which read of his do you think should have changed from a town perspective? i think he should be concerned that his biggest advocate me, shifted my read on az so even though he is suspicious of kelsier, az and ?vivax?, maybe ?sandroba? the answer to this question is a re-evaluation of both me and az... both are lacking i see what you're getting at. i also am townreading az after waffling on him and also have been vocal about not lynching scott. i just dk maybe i'm hard scum-aligning here but i think static reads in general is more concerning than not re-evaluating you or az based on your townread of him specifically thats fine.. although im not aware of any one that has a static read
inactives dont count??
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On June 09 2024 10:06 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:50 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 09:40 rsoultin wrote:
like i get getting squirrely when one wagon has way more traction than another i'm just not koshi. or is it vivax? who by the length of a wagon alone that must mean something especially on d1 when scum's largely outnumbered
certainly not when i'm townreading the other wagon
i could be wrong on scott and i'm trying to keep an open mind on that, genuinely. the reads not changing much thing is legit
it's honestly the only argument i've seen on him that i think is decent (sorry)
idk tho which read of his do you think should have changed from a town perspective? i think he should be concerned that his biggest advocate me, shifted my read on az so even though he is suspicious of kelsier, az and ?vivax?, maybe ?sandroba? the answer to this question is a re-evaluation of both me and az... both are lacking I don't mean to nitpick but don't use "he" "she" - use the persons name because it's more difficult at this time and in filters you see who you are speaking about noted, will do my best to oblige moving forward
btw, i have decided to settle on
##unvote:
##vote: scott31337
nothing to do with this post FYI, although it struck me as odd that for all the stuff i have said about you past couple pages this is what was raised.. maybe, just maybe you didnt realise it was you because of the "he"
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On June 09 2024 10:19 rsoultin wrote:
okay baby's up gdit okay i still want a sandy lynch guys i don't like not having time to reevaluate scott before the lynch but i'll go back to kels
and switch to sandy if y'all go on him while i'm feeding the baby and get back in time i gtg now i still psoitively read you (todays chats were shifting a bit more towards that collaboration i recall you with), just disappointed. with a bit more time i reckon we would have settled on scott 
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we need trfel, oats + rsoultin on the wagon of truth!
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On June 09 2024 10:22 marvellosity wrote:
I’m not in the best shape but:
We need a flip
I’m really frustrated with: slam, rayn, sand, kelsier (DMB)
That’s a lot of players in a 13p game to not be playing in second half of d1. Very disappointing. Don’t join games if you can’t give some effort.
I don’t wanna lynch sand for reasons people know but the absence is deeply, deeply annoying.
Tempting to just lynch kelsier to get rid of the trash but it’s deeply unsatisfying. yeah but can lynch kelsi3r without you switching wagons??
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On June 09 2024 10:40 Vivax wrote:
Case in point Az should be here pushing the hell out of scott given the opportunity. hes tried
i genuinely dont think thats a fair assessment.
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On June 09 2024 10:47 Vivax wrote:
Someone who wants the counterwagon lynched doesn‘t just point out superficially scummy things from someone who isn‘t the CW talking about someone else who isn‘t the CE while not wanting any of them lynched when his main priority should be the CW. i mean sure, although, what separates him from a deflated/dejected townie that has given up for buy-in - that happens to everyone at some point?
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On June 09 2024 10:48 Vivax wrote:
Especially if they act like they have experience in leadership and know how to be assertive to achieve the outcome they want to see.
People like that don‘t get distracted. i think this is the pressing concern and i have considered too
is AlphaZero filter consistent if you remove the start with the red flags? at this point i find that entrance to be an anomaly.
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On June 09 2024 10:53 AlphaZero wrote:
I am sure I could get this lynch done on my main with full effort. But I’m not in the position to do that. not being a dick. i find it unlikely.
half the problem is that half the game is afk
if full town was here, yeah, agree
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On June 09 2024 10:54 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 10:54 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 10:53 AlphaZero wrote:
I am sure I could get this lynch done on my main with full effort. But I’m not in the position to do that. not being a dick. i find it unlikely. half the problem is that half the game is afk if full town was here, yeah, agree But I'm here and I think the reason from changing with me was a little weak. talk to me about it?
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On June 09 2024 10:56 scott31337 wrote:
Just telling you how to (if you are town) to input your filters to add quotes and be more specific.
I know you mentioned it was more than such, but I thought we had a decent vibe D1 and it felt like a sudden cutoff for me speaking of how to play the game. i have a series of posts over the past couple pages progressing my read on you.. marv commented on one recently
how you appear to have glazed over i have no idea - its nothing to do with add names to posts.
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oats.. were you lurking before deadline?
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On June 09 2024 11:35 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:21 marvellosity wrote:
Just spotted Koshi rsoul replacement. That’s annoying. Nah if he’s mafia it’s ez This probably isn’t going to make sense but my brain went like this: Kelsier town. Okay I’m not surprised Am I wrong on Scott? Are my expectations incorrect here? If im wrong on Scott, what does that mean for my view of the game? Is AZ mafia? Like maybe, but also i think he does believe what he’s saying about Scott so probably not (so my brain is telling me Scott town apparently?) Then why is rsoul so comvinced that Scott is lynch bait? Is this TMI maybe? Then I don’t get to question rsoul on any of this I just feel this is marv town thinking or we're screwed. This is the marv posting we need in daytime. Which sucks Keis flipped town now AZ is going to be on me more that I'm mafia. Just think realistically. fck az.. i dont understand why you are glazing over my posts that led to a vote swap?
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hi scott
can you please respond to the following which is why i voted you
maybe you were looking for mosata and didnt see? ;P
#1 = Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:
town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?
On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:at the risk of answering for viva
if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either
1) try to get the lynch off them
2) shit up the thread
or they just roll over
i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch?
i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:
salient notion
alphazero - where does that sit with you?
On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:
Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously.
We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened.
Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo.
On June 09 2024 09:12 Mocsta wrote:
i buy into this... there is an effort to convey he is up to date, and sufficiently active; yet this outcome in bold still holds.
rsoultin or anyone else.. would you agree that reads are mostly the same throughout entire d1 for scott?
#2 = so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. On June 09 2024 09:45 Mocsta wrote:
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tbc, i am not saying scott should townread az because i changed my read. im saying his relation to me should be significant to create a re-evaluation point, like wtf just happened. On June 09 2024 09:50 rsoultin wrote:
idk i don't think it's necessarily alignment indicative to not reconsider the person pushing their lynch when others townread them, at least not in a vacuum, unless you have reason to believe that scott in particular would do this as town and not scum? On June 09 2024 10:01 Mocsta wrote:pay attention to this summary post.. in his world view: 1. i am town 2. kelsier scum read has relation to me 3. sandroba scum read has extesion to kelsier which extends to me 4. az scum read has relation to me 5. other scum reads are policy: no activity in short. i matter so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not.Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 01:04 scott31337 wrote:
My memory isn't the best - but it was more flagging the post then "Scott is mafia with red flags."
Wouldn't lynch order
[..]
Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me.
[..]
Could lynch order:
Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me.
Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed
die_meatbaby - not enough info
sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad
AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta
So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r.
to re-inforce: who else does he ask this to? answer no one.. i matter in his world view Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:32 scott31337 wrote:
Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta?
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On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb
the only reason i can see is this from marv
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302
like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally?
i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally?
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On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. yep, but it works both ways? useful to mafia where town or mafia now..
look, i get if a question mark, then chase the other 2. This i can get behind, as long as scott remains a question mark.
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On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him
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On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building
i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation.
i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though.
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