EPTagain. a big reason he changed his tune is because of me
dont care if you disagree
i cant believe you have sucecssed in agitating me. well done. i will give you that credit
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again. a big reason he changed his tune is because of me dont care if you disagree i cant believe you have sucecssed in agitating me. well done. i will give you that credit *clap clap* | ||
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Go ahead and vote me off Last post Which you can reread after my town flip I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality. We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use. Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned. I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia. Why is this relevant. We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players. My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter. I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town. Alpha is scum. His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far. Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town. His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game. I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage. Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax. I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch. Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear.. Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town. His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven. Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on: 1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch 2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly 3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game It's a natural confidence boost. The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it I will vote alpha for those who see the light I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept. Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good. [B##vote: alphazero[/b] The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not be ignored. | ||
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I wake up 4-6hrs before lynch on a Saturday I'm have committed too much time to this game and will be with family so I can't influence an outcome My only time is today and I see it as futile I'm moving on with my life. Take that as NAI if you will Don't care. No one has offended me vivax such that I would host it personally. it's a bloody game. It was insulting for Rayn to take my contributions to bringing people like oats on board working with other town. Maybe he felt the same way when I mentioned his contribution to sandroba. But I mean.i wouldn't leave a game for that. I genuinely feel this is a witch hunt and Rayn will keep peppering me constantly and I just won't give time to address Hopefully I'm not forgotrem after flip. Alphazero Best meme I can think of is like jafar in alladin to the sultan Or a set of stalking eyes in the darkness | ||
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On June 14 2024 10:53 Vivax wrote: Meh Mocsta. The post doesn‘t read as genuine as I originally thought. Just chill out, have a wank idk  K. C ya for real | ||
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It's not quiting per se There's a nuance I won't defend myself. I have explained why I find it pointless to suggest alt. As it's a huge time commitment and I'm don't see it exhausting my lunch I am still reading though and happy to work with you if you want my thoughts on anything That's about the max committmentim willing to do in this situation I don't see a point discussing az. Like if you feel good he always has a post prepared to defend his actions. That's on you and I highlighted it as my biggest scumread on the game. Anything else. Go ahead | ||
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On June 14 2024 14:27 AlphaZero wrote: of course you would notI'm finding it odd that mocsta 'rage quit' and wasn't going to vote, but then is not actually quitting and is actually still pushing for a vote. I don't think that is a normal town rage quit. ![[image loading]](https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/jafar.jpg) | ||
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On June 14 2024 14:39 Trfel wrote: AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else? I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable. Re: Scott Mafia game 2015 https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1063&topic_id=474146 A list summary similar to a couple in this game. Note: 1. Celestial is a scum partner that survived end game. Tone is very factual/content and leaves optionality Note. 2. Half the Sky is a scum partner that is a godfather. Scott plays to the setup which applies to a persons preference mafia or town. The mason whisper stuff is largely NAI as a question in itself Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum Half the Sky – she shows intent to solve the game, gives reads, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=32#633 is a good example of trying to solve the game. + Show Spoiler + On January 11 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote: I want to give off my reads in case I get shot - From Town to null - Tubesock- He’s actively trying to solve the game. A good insomnia post of his - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=33#659 with good reads. Half the Sky – she shows intent to solve the game, gives reads, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=32#633 is a good example of trying to solve the game. Rsolutin – Asking questions, trying to steer us in the right direction, warning others about bluefishing (a scummy trait) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=14#278 – --slight town Exo_ - Seems to be reading and solving and giving his reads as well - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=33#641 – slight town Scum – In order from least to most scummy Jarjarbinks – Although he is giving reads, He’s a mixed bag with a lot of fluff. null/scum lean for now. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=43#851 Silverarte – Asks a bunch of questions without responding to ones they are asked. Trying to fly under the radar. Leaning scum Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum The Shining – scum – refuses to move his vote for both mislynches, tries to lay under the radar, says he’s solving the game but is not. Lets see how scott refers to sandroba this game N1 when sandroba was not a wagon for D2 https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=2238&topic_id=625928 Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote: Scotty's magic N1 post So - first - Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight. 2. Mocsta fakeclaimed Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching today Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. here is another mafia game 1yr later where he seems to have IRL issues but there is one post again similar to his style of summary/catchip in this game https://tl.net/forum/mafia/498066-haunted-mansion-mini-mafia?page=16#303 + Show Spoiler + On November 25 2015 14:55 scott31337 wrote: Allright, so I'm thinking the FF smurf thing is NAI - I'm glad it got the conversation started though. Please don't encourage the Koshi - I don't know how many games of his that you have read of his, but, ........ Is this the post you are referring to GB? I'm just not seeing it for being a scumread - I see there's a lot of fluff there, he comes up with a superweak conclusion - is that what you are referring to? Ninja'd This makes more sense - I wouldn't throw him in the scumpile for it or anything yet, but I see your point, and it sounds like you are trying to critically think about the game.. I like it so far. Well, in a vanilla game, it's kind of a given, eh? i find the style much more narrative driven ->which makes sense as he is working within known information comapred to for example from this game: https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1000&topic_id=625928 + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2024 05:46 scott31337 wrote: This is defintely on my mind as well... What kind of rainbows would you like to see? This was something I noted as well, and one of the reasons I would like to lynch Kelsi3r for the time being. He has not posted since you wrote this message either. The timing was AZ going after me and changing his vote to someone else. This would be better read in context (post link) instead of filter. I still am lost about the "Vivax read" stuff. What town agenda is this from? It's extremely rare you find two mafia D1. And I know I'm town. Like to me posting this is just muddying the waters and shitting in it. the point of this is to show that scotts game is a more focused version when scum. i just dont see him and sandroba bussing that hard even though scott had low cred as a wagon d1 candidate. to conclude this is a possibility i think is ignoring the simplest answer, in that sandroba found a logical inconsistency to attack with 'truth' which you are always seeking for as mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2024 14:43 Trfel wrote: thats fine .. the game has been draining and i just cant force myself to re-read it.I'm sorry Mocsta, I know you just said you don't want to talk about AlphaZero but can I at least make sure I am understanding you correctly? You say AlphaZero is mafia because he always has an explanation that defends his actions? Also, do you think die_meatbaby or scott31337 might be mafia? Sorry I know it's probably in your filter but I am worn out  Lets not say X guarantees Y as per your simplfied statement (re: AZ) Im saying that is a "always having an explanation in writing" is a contributor to being "mafia" then theres other factors as well, such as - the low committment with sandroba, such that others like me and even rayn mentalised AZ to townread sandroba; - there is the pursuit of policy lynches guised up as not playing the game right way; - and i cant remember whatelse if the bussing query is a pressing item, then it should not be ignored that AZ was masoned with Rayn as well. Its not a point i would ever press as mandatory, but should be taken into consideration as optional. i do not consider scott scum. His meta is very limited, yet I think is telling enough. I don't see his more direct approach this cycle a reflection of scum trying to close out the game; rather, he feels vindicated by sandroba being off his neck (that he in his filter has pushed since d1) & that the game is one step closer to being solved. DMB. i dont have a read. or know how to read I'm inclined to think town, purely because Sandroba sheeped you onto DMB when rayn started the sandroba case Like. why sheep onto a scum counter-wagon that was likely to cop heat given DMBs overall cred I mean.. look. i know its been pointed out that sandroba did not ask any questions, yet there is a clear progression from the start that DMB was scummy.. *maybe* sandroba wanted to be consistent.. i just don't buy it In short, i might be like 55% leaning town for DMB.. it could be realistic one scum sits in DMB/Slam and i have no idea how to read either. On June 11 2024 05:06 sandroba wrote: Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home. ##unvote ##vote: dmb Sandroba has 4 posts talking about DMB prior but never to DMB At the time of Sandroba DMB vote: On June 11 2024 04:09 sandroba wrote: I mean koshi + rayn makes too much sense. The random town reads, the weird interactions, it all fits! I think trfel is right about dmb being the third as well. On June 11 2024 03:45 sandroba wrote: Listen, this is usually what gets Vivax lynched every game. Some sort of inconsistency or misplaced emotion that makes no sense from a town perspective. I don't think vivax is mafia this game, and even if I'm wrong about this and he is it's at best a crap shoot, because the game where palmar lead his lynch day1 looked exactly like this. Look I'm just as lost as the next guy, I'm thinking this has to be koshi + rayn + slam/dmb basically by poe - but I think going for vivax right now is a mistake. On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote: I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is: Town: trfel mocsta oats scott Likely town: vivax AZ Mafia is here: rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam On June 08 2024 03:16 sandroba wrote: I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:06 Trfel wrote: Mocsta, why would you ever post like that >< If I go to any of those links it quotes it in a TL.net post preview. C'mom man, I just wanted to read what you had to say In all seriousness though, I'll try and work through that. I appreciate it. AlphaZero, I get that. Did my discussion with Mocsta about your alignment have any effect on your read of Mocsta? awww man. didnt realise. that sucks badly.. copy for next time | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:29 Alakaslam wrote: BingoBut wait day 2 right? Kelsier was day 1? | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:32 Trfel wrote: That's fair and understandable. Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though. I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off. I think the most important part was the last paragraph about sandroba this game though? Do you disagree? | ||
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The way I weigh up his filter and sandroba interactions I like as town I mean let's be real. The guy has been in the block for one week non stop. The game has been so disjointed it would be easy to throw votes around. That's my perception personally So much low hanging fruit and sandroba was there only because of afk I combine those things and it's hard for me to say he is suspicious which makes him a town read for me | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:41 Trfel wrote: yeahi agree about voting early in the day -> you are talking about optionality.. and to me, AlphaZero goes about optionality slightly differently.I think it makes sense in the context that sandroba probably didn't expect to go afk for so long. I think it's quite reasonable for mafia to vote a partner early in a day tbh. If they can defend themselves, great, just say their defense makes sense and you changed your mind! If not, you have an early bus, and they probably weren't surviving anyway. Scott31337 being mafia doesn't feel right to me so I am open to that being wrong. I do have a little more confidence in the die_meatbaby vote. i mean, i know people say they dont understand my read progressions. yet, this is completely different to AZ where people distill his sandroba read as town, even though he has posts to defend he thought sandroba was scummy the actions do not line up with the words & it is the actions that i believe led people like me (maybe rayn) to mentalise that az townread sandroba | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:53 Trfel wrote: damn right its a reason to be suspicious of anyone whose words dont match behaviours. that applies in real-life and in this game we call mafia.I'm sorry, could I ask for clarification about what you mean here? Is this supposed to be a reason to suspect AlphaZero? Is it because he says things about being suspicious about sandroba but also is defending sandroba? Because that wasn't my interpretation of what happened tbh. we all saw in d1 how calculated alphazero can be with his approach to [b]command[/b[ attention. the expectations for words and behaviour *should* be higher for az than in comparison to for example slam its inexcusable that a player who command attention can have multiple people misread his intentions in such a push-pull way. Again, i stress this is not the same as me. with me, people do not understand how i connect A to Y (chose now to right Z for AZ lol) And yeah, i tsbecause clearly i seem to skip every letter inbetween and go ta-da I'm not accusing AlphaZero of that at all. I am accusing him that the pathway from A to B to C is too clean, meticulous and curated Thats not town play. | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:56 Trfel wrote: Also @Mocsta, if at any time you want to focus on work or family or other things I completely get it and respect that. I don't want to interfere with your life, you've already put a lot of time into this game with a 19 page filter and lots of analysis and all. While I appreciate the help, I don't want to interfere with other things you have going on. kids come home in an hour and then thats it i wake up, enjoy the morning and see who gets voted i do hope its not me but will be what it is appreciate you took the time to talk to me and help me to show my thought process to the others i needed that. thank you | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:59 Koshi wrote: i dont want to be an outstander like last voteLook guys. We need to kill the girl. It's simple. Tomorrow we decide if it is AZ/Mocsta/Scott as third. I said it before. Kill small fishes first. trfel is my best town read, and im going to sheep him today if he chooses to vote me, i will stick with az | ||
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On June 14 2024 16:14 Trfel wrote:Complete side note but... what if something stupid happened, like sandroba saw his role PM and was like, "this sucks, I don't want to play as mafia" so he went to his mafia chat and was like, "hey guys I don't want to play as mafia, I'm gonna do next to nothing, just bus me" and then rsoultin busses him and we're so bad that we still don't lynch him and eventually sandroba flips and there are a lot of associative reasons to townread mafia members, just because sandroba didn't want to play as mafia? you've made your point very clear and I do agree. I don't mean to say that this is particularly likely, but I'd also say it's far from impossible, no? Maybe it's just me being bad at associate reads but I'd much, much, much rather read people mostly based on their own play. I just think there are so many fewer ways to screw it up. In that regard, slam/dmb i just dont know how to read. removing any associations, dmb play this game makes me want to lynch her which is what im finding hard to reconcile, as what i recall are her tunnel focuses have not resolved. again, removing associations, i find AZ scummy as fuck. yes, you've been really good to highlight to you dont see what im seeing. i dunno, could i be tunneled? Maybe, i dont think i should feel the way i do about another townie though. i dont mean to be disrespectful, its possibly a life experience thing but thats way too broad an assumption? i dunno. as im not really sure how to describe it further without resulting in accusations that could genuinely be insulting and are not intended as such. I guess I thought AlphaZero's stance on sandroba was pretty clear, but maybe I'm somehow the only one? I have a really hard time thinking about this as AlphaZero's fault instead of the rest of yours though, tbh. i dont know what you mean by fault? my distillation of how az is playing?Again, i cant figure out the impasse we have to figure out how to adjust the message. My recollection is along the lines of: AZ: Sandroba is an F-Tier scum read --> is that not lock scum? AZ: Sandroba has posted dont lynch today -> why does it matter.. what was posted that was relevant to adjust read AZ: if sandroba is afk, then mafia how can this be anything but advocating for a policy (inactivity) lynch? -> that is within sandrobas power to control. do not forget, this applies to a F-tier read.. i mean.. c'mon. even i dont go out of my way to avoid voting someone like this Unless that's not what you're saying, I'm a little confused because for the first 2/3 of the post you seem to be saying that AlphaZero is scummy because he failed to communicate his view on flipped mafia sandroba in a way that others can understand, and in the last 1/3 you seem to be saying that his play is too clean and that makes it look fake. I guess I'm just not sure which one it is, or is it both? But they seem a little mutually exclusive, no? i dunno what else to say.. what is sleight of hand?look at my left hand, whilst my right hand does something different. then lets all laugh together and enjoy the magic. AZ defends the D2 lynch and is quick fire to post that he indeed had a scumread on sandroba (i really hope this is correct as my memory is hazy now) That the left hand.. but what is the right hand doing? The votes say the right hand joined me on Rayn.. fuck DMB wagon.. why rayn which could have been a legit counter wagon to Sandroba at one point - and is a part of why rayn talks about about sandroba wagon being so hard (i hope at least) You are being razzle dazzled because AlphaZero is able to plug gaps that give you a sense of solving the game, but its all about him. I dont know what else to say.Maybe some super analytical players can backup every decision as clean as AlphaZero, yet i find you to be significantly more analytical than Alpha, and somehow have a messier filter.. how does this come about? This is all with associatives removed. If i add the associatves, the rayn mason log i think is important as it restricts a lot of freedom AZ has, because rayn has separate dialogue going on and potentially is even the main cause of push-pull i identified.. obviously this is too imaginary for you to walk along with me, so ignore as you need. Also, I really wouldn't recommend sheeping me, I have no idea what's what. You have been much more present and involved than I have for a while now, trust yourself. You're more than capable, you've got this. presence isnt related to finding mafia.my point is, i dont want to throw my vote away again. i respect the way you are going about the game and thats why i said what i did. | ||
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On June 14 2024 16:34 AlphaZero wrote: twas not expecting thatScott is 1000000% mafia. im less sure on mocsta. he is like 60% | ||
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appreciate you talking it out with me im scooting now will see where you are voting closer to deadline and make a decision from there | ||
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