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On March 06 2024 02:55 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 02:44 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
@cake so if I’m understanding what you are saying, you think trefel is mafia with vivax then? Why else would he, in your perspective, not want to start a wagon on trefel No, I dont understand why is not voting his scum read. He claims because he doesnt want to start a wagon of someone who wont get lynched. But he starts one on you so I guess he thinks you are more lynchable. What’s the mafia motivation? I don’t see the link He is talking a lot of “why are you white knighting Tfrel”, “I think Tfrel is mafia” “I wont vote Tfrel coz to lazy to start a wagon of someone who wont be lynched” but started a wagon on you Oats.
Yes you’ve literally described the situation 5 times but failed to mention how that makes him mafia
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On March 06 2024 03:41 iamperfection wrote:I don't think scum. Dmbs posts in that game I obser gave me scum goosebumps like the entire game and everyone called me dumb there and I was right. More gut then anything I can rationalize I do think posting that list at that time just because 1 person asked is more likely to come from town in the timing it did.
No thoughts about the content of the list at all?
Mafia tend to be hyper focused on what people ask so it’s not surprising to me that she did that
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On March 06 2024 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh nevermind its just Oats. No wonder it irked me.
You guys why don't we wanna kill Oats again? Has he done something super townie I missed?
Just oats wow I’m hurt
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On March 06 2024 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh nevermind its just Oats. No wonder it irked me.
You guys why don't we wanna kill Oats again? Has he done something super townie I missed? Just oats wow I’m hurt Just as in, you're the only one. Not just as in, "Oh it's JUST OATS" You know.
Ah I do know.
Do you think dmb is town for some reason?
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On March 06 2024 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 04:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 04:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh nevermind its just Oats. No wonder it irked me.
You guys why don't we wanna kill Oats again? Has he done something super townie I missed? Just oats wow I’m hurt Just as in, you're the only one. Not just as in, "Oh it's JUST OATS" You know. Ah I do know. Do you think dmb is town for some reason? Yes, the stupid Vivax shit.
That she’s only focused on the vivax stuff the vast majority of time she’s in the game? What are you talking about
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On March 06 2024 01:30 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote:
Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient! The old 24 hour flu I hear that's going around Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 00:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote:
Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient! The old 24 hour flu I hear that's going around the one that happens to start on the first day after seeing some red? More like alcohol poisoning after hanging out with an old friend all Sunday, combined with ramen that was way too spicy. Practically had an out-of-body experience. But, don't want to distract current ongoing discussion too much; I'm up to page 30 and am finding it interesting that some of the people who were being discussed the most back then are now seemingly not being brought up as much, so it's going to be interesting to review how discourse evolved here. Trying to keep an open mind as I catch up so I'll post my reads once I do so. Thank you.
So are you gonna play or what
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On March 06 2024 06:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:02 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to. He got masoned though in my understanding. If Palmar is scum here I see a lazy ass attempt from him to start a CW. Like I don't get otherwise why 1. He's not voting with marv here. 2. He's just letting Palmar die without having a real read on him while Palmar is voting with him. JAT just talked about the claim mostly that's true but then he could accuse cop of doing the same thing at times. He's also not factoring it that JAT has it out personally for me so he doesn't want me to be mayor which gives him a town motivation to do so. I really don't "have it out personally for you". I just don't think your play warrants an election as mayor. Me and DP laid it out already why it's beneficial to have a JK as mayor. For scum it's like having a clock ticking against them to fight. If you make a VT mayor they don't even give a damn about killing the mayor. With me as mayor you force them to look for BGs. If I agree with sandro wanting to kill you it's because you can't see this.
Lol how does mafia look for BGs
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On March 06 2024 06:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 06:17 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 06:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:02 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. Are you factoring in a mason chat into the math? Like, I can see town Sand just kinda dragging in the thread if he's focusing activity in a mason chat. Not defending him per se, but I also disagree that jat an easy target, like me he can turn it on if he has to. He got masoned though in my understanding. If Palmar is scum here I see a lazy ass attempt from him to start a CW. Like I don't get otherwise why 1. He's not voting with marv here. 2. He's just letting Palmar die without having a real read on him while Palmar is voting with him. JAT just talked about the claim mostly that's true but then he could accuse cop of doing the same thing at times. He's also not factoring it that JAT has it out personally for me so he doesn't want me to be mayor which gives him a town motivation to do so. I really don't "have it out personally for you". I just don't think your play warrants an election as mayor. Me and DP laid it out already why it's beneficial to have a JK as mayor. For scum it's like having a clock ticking against them to fight. If you make a VT mayor they don't even give a damn about killing the mayor. With me as mayor you force them to look for BGs. If I agree with sandro wanting to kill you it's because you can't see this. Lol how does mafia look for BGs That's the neat part, they can't. Hapa foresaw this and just conceded when he saw me claiming JK.
At this point, why would scum continue to fight against your election?
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On March 06 2024 08:48 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:28 Palmar wrote:
I think Jealous is complaining (he didn't quote it correctly) about my post encouraging Hapa to just play at a lower effort level.
I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me. Yea, my apologies, I only realized on the re-read that I somehow lost that post into somewhere else. But, I'm glad you brought it up. For posterity (so everyone else knows what I was referring to): Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it. Admitting you haven't read the thread just doesn't feel like a smart thing to be doing regardless of whether you're mafia or town IMO, but especially town. If you're not trying to catch inconsistencies, see apparent partnerships or dissect whether a conflict is genuine or manufactured, what are we doing here? Like, yea, asking questions and using that info to inform your decisions is a thing you're supposed to do, but without a frame of reference it just feels like it's not helping town and can just lead to more confusion than anything. But, you're a more experienced player than me and might have just been trying to be kind to Hapa, I can concede that. In general I liked how you've been posting recently for the most part, but you were also under the microscope for a bit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Looking forward to see what you do going forward.
What in the actual fuck is this post
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Still got time for a dmb lynch :>
Trefel vote post is fucked but why wouldn’t mafia!trefel just ninja vote and leave, it’s just like obviously very bad
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Thoughts on rayn marv? Considering Mason chat and all
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On March 06 2024 07:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 07:52 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly. I don't know but I know I want to work with you. Adjusted. same and he's actually here so can freak out before the lynch and give more info. If you don't want to Die JAT give a list post of some sort. I literally just said I will be going to bed in 10 minutes. You will have to be able to think on your own. If this town decides to mislynch me and elect Vivax at the same time that would be impressively bad.
Saying this while wholesale sheeping marv is impressive
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On March 06 2024 09:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thoughts on rayn marv? Considering Mason chat and all Later.
Later like tomorrow? Or today
Also thoughts on dmb?
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@vivax
What are your intentions for the kill?
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On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
What happened to your cake read?
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On March 06 2024 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
@vivax
What are your intentions for the kill? He already said HAPA.
Ah okay, I think vigging Palmar if he ends up being the 2nd top vote is fucking terrible so I was about to go off but hapa is fine
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The over explanation is real
I don’t think the list post makes jealous townie
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