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Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl
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Well at this point good luck bois we're going into the night.
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Alright fair enough. Should be a lot to work with though. Might take a quick break to spend more time thinking.
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On March 06 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT. On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT... Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB. agree this looks bad.
I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night.
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
Justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster
So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not.
Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle
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So at the time without hindsight just going off the vibe check and no faith in my own reads I went with the most town looking group. But also please find this real sus I don't want to be night killed.
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On March 06 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:39 die_meatbaby wrote:
@dp Regardless of you aligment you play is atrocious here This is giving me scum DMB vibes not gonna lie. Like the fake outrage and tunnelling.
Okay as someone who thinks you're both town DMB can you try and un tunnel for a moment. We know the lynch day 1 is unlikely to be mafia, so we can't blame people for getting it wrong with your own words. Can you try and un tunnel for a moment step back assume DP is town and see if that changes your opinion then after half an hour of assuming that go back to assuming he's mafia and see if that changes your opinion again.
Just as a thought experiment.
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On March 06 2024 12:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT. On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT... Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB. agree this looks bad. I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night. Trfel (11): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba Justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not. Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle So rather than form your own opinions you're just gonna sheep random people you're currently townreading or whatever fits the vibe? Also Sandroba switched his vote after you wtf, he's not one of the reasons you switched.
Oh good point, re sand I don't remember exactly when people switched.
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On March 06 2024 12:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT. On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT... Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB. agree this looks bad. I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night. Trfel (11): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba Justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not. Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle So rather than form your own opinions you're just gonna sheep random people you're currently townreading or whatever fits the vibe? Also Sandroba switched his vote after you wtf, he's not one of the reasons you switched.
Also yes, I had already formed the opinion I could vote for either so who I end up voting for at the last minute is entirely vibe based.
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Yeah those mafia reads from CopCake are wild but they are so wild I'm confused as to why mafia would do that.
Also just realised there's not much advantage to looking scummy during the night so I won't worry about that.
There's for sure several factions of "town" spawning.
There's the MZ Koshi CC I guess DMB faction and the IMP, DP, Vivax, faction with the Marv, Ray, Sandro faction Then Slam and Ve are more wildcards
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So this is how day one kinda went in my mind. At least the broad strokes. Unironically I do find this type of posting helps me keep track of what's going on.
Day One in the Grackaroni Estate….
Master Oats walks into the great hall, he bumps into Governor JSL who’s just arrived last night from the States “My word you look like a proper Rascal” Says Oats, Governor JSL Promptly ignores him and goes hunting for fox’s in the morning dew.
A carriage arrives and Earl Trfel gets out, he comes in pleasantly greeting everyone and being suspiciously nice. Lord Koshi comments that he might be looking for a piece of the inheritance and is not to be trusted.
Meanwhile…. On the second floor Sir Ray grabs Vicount Marv and pulls him into a closet. “I’ve been waiting for you… every eve without you my heart grows ever fonder.” “We can’t talk like this! What if we are seen!” Exclaims Marv “I care not let the whole world hear my passion for you… but only in the closet and secretly…” Marv says “my rear is yours my love but you know I enjoy the warmth of a woman” and pushes on the edge of the closet and grabs a waiting Sandroba who had followed the Vicounts messages to the closet. “Countess! You’re here with Marv as well! I didn’t know he was such a polygamist but I am eager to share him”
Marv, Sandwiched between the the countess and Sir Ray experiences new heights of pleasure and is not seen on the dance floor all night.
Meanwhile downstairs Lord Punk Demands to dance with Duchess Cake, He doesn’t approve of her feminine whiles and thinks she’s hiding something. The duchess refuses, shock ripples throughout the crowd such a snub is unheard of in polite society why pray tell would she not simply dance with him and be done with it?
Governor Strangelove decides this rudeness should not go uncommitted and she lashes out at him and makes mean comments about the recent war.
All of a sudden Undertaker Vixax BURSTS INTO THE SCENE SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER! RANTS ABOUT HAVING THE KEYS TO THE CRYPT AND HOW HE CAN KEEP YOU SAFE IF HE LOCKS YOU IN THERE! The party is instantly in disarray.
Colonel Stars pokes his head into the ballroom goes hmmm then disappears. Count Viscera says “What’s there to be scared of I always look scary it’s okay”
Sir Ray pokes his head out of the closet and says don’t listen to him but in doing so falls out and pulls Marv and Sandro with him. Lord Koshi Screams I KNEW YOU WERE ALL IN THERE SCHEMING, and Duke Ziphh backs him up with sassy dance moves. Marquess Palmer pipes up and says we should listen to the undertaker but then grabs a dance card. For the rest of the night he refuses all dances. LT Alakaslam puts on his detective coat and hat and says I used to be a Police officer once and starts investigating the ladies dresses for clues. Everyone ignores him.
Butler Jealous and Maid Hapahauli are nowhere to be seen the food hasn’t been brought out the the guests are getting hungry.
Suddenly Lady Meatbaby arrives. The crowd falls over themselves to dance with her. She says I’ll dance with you as long as you don’t think me a whore. After the first dance Master Oats calls her a whore.
Officer Rels arrives to talk to the Undertaker about all this murder stuff and says some calming words.
Reverend Perfection has some words for the polygamist trio and has a few comments on the debauchery of the party in general.
Lord Koshi bursts back in and gathers a group around in a hush. There’s a conspiracy afoot! Sir Ray and his bisexual puppet are in on it, Lady Cake gasps. Gov Strangelove listens closer. “I can buy it yankeedoodle what’s the stitch?”
“Sir Ray is not having fun, he’s just going through the motions fucking The Viscount without enjoying the sex, I think he’s depressed as his evil conspiracy isn’t going well.” “GOD DAMN WE NEED THE POLICE HERE IF ONLY WE HAD A COP” “I’m a cop says slam quietly in the background”
Suddenly The Marquess (Palmer) asks The Viscount to a dance (Marv) They do a combination of the cha cha and the boogie which is quite odd for 1798 but at least there’s movement on the dance floor.
Lord Punk busts in overwhelmed with tears, The dancing from the Marquess is so beautiful he is overcome and grabs the Earl bends him over and vigorously fucks him in the ass. The Gov (JSL) and the Undertaker (Vivax) decide to join him in Love making as the Earl gets triple penetrated.
Justice Townie sneers and says “You’d never do that to me” Lord DP says “Try me and immediately abandons the Earl in favour of sex with the judge the three way moves on and even Palmer joins in temporarily before hate kissing Marv again.
The Reverend Perfection horrified by all the open sex tries to send a letter back to the clergy for advice but his paper stops holding ink and he is no longer able to write.
Out of nowhere the Butler Jealous bursts in with food. It’s Glorious it’s plentiful, it’s well cooked! (but not to everyone’s taste) In fact it does make some weird culinary decisions but immediately all is forgiven.
MasterOats turning turned to Lady Meat and said “Thou stillith the most whoreish here”
In the end of the day everyone eventually decides all civility is lost and the Earl passes out from exhaustion never to be seen again and The Maid Hapahauli is fired for not cleaning by the undertaker.
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From this though what have I learned that I didn’t remember initially?
Oats and DMB have been quite consistently at odds.
JSL and quite a few others early were happy with Trifle and then still voted him later which is suspicious. Although some were always saying he was anti meta early.
Clear dividing lines have formed in pocket groups.
DP controls a fair section of the town but so does Koshi. Rayn went from invincible certain mayor to disputed township while still seen as mostly good apart from those in the Koshi faction.
Copcake has never made sense to me reads wise only in heavy posting style. Do they heavy post as mafia?
Not sure of too much else though.
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The case for Koshi.
So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices.
On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves.
WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi?
On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town.
Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor.
On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads.
Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning.
On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons.
This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting.
On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3
BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC!
On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 iamperfection wrote:
dp being obtuse and ignoring me is extremely suspicious imo I literally just replied to you, and I am being super smart, not obtuse. Just FYI. i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie.
man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town.
This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them.
On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
[quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all.
Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result.
On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot.
I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town.
Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi.
Mostly I’m concerned with the first part.
On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves.
Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here?
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On March 06 2024 16:13 Koshi wrote:
Well didnt expect this.
Good read by sandroba and cc.
Art thou thy buddies in scum? I see thou art speechless at the gallows that hang before thee.
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On March 06 2024 19:30 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:23 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:18 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:15 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:13 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:07 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:02 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 13:57 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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this is so bad it deserves to be lynched.
Why? Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday. Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town? I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. Mafia can do that. You should know this. Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. False. I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons. I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons. No you haven't, you just think you have. Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works. I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady” If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then… And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum. And to be fair, those are inherently linked. Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim. The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff. If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch. Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game. But isnt vivax one of those “keep alive because he can be good” guys?
I love Vivax he'd fun to play with. I've never understood what he's thinking or why or when. The fact he still thinks slam is mafia confuses me even now.
This said I genuinely want your opinion on the koshi case I made earlier. Honestly I was looking at him because I thought he was a solid town and was just wanting to tick all boxes before I put him in def town don't need to check category.
Also jats latest post I like the motivation in the first line where as you say if town you are the one who can sort of solve that section of the day.
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On March 06 2024 19:42 CopCake wrote:
Can someone link me the infamous "DP was mafia" game?
Tbh I think dps filter is massive. So big I don't think he's ever had a filter this size before as mafia. If he's mafia he has taken it to heights since unknown.
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On March 06 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:The case for Koshi. So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi? On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town. Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor. On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads. Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning. On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting. On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC! On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
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I literally just replied to you, and I am being super smart, not obtuse.
Just FYI. i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town. This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them. On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result. On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town. Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi. Mostly I’m concerned with the first part. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here? I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him. It is not a slip. It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh.
My take or cops take? Because anyone who can't see my take is instantly more suspicious.
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Also agree with Palmer re Darth posting more as town saying he's busy is a pre game mafia Strat for sure.
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On March 06 2024 20:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:The case for Koshi. So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi? On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town. Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor. On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads. Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning. On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting. On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC! On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:
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i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town. This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them. On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result. On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town. Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi. Mostly I’m concerned with the first part. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here? I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him. It is not a slip. It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh. My take or cops take? Because anyone who can't see my take is instantly more suspicious.
But I'm happy to break it down further before the hard tunnel.
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Okay so look at it this way.
The reason I started looking into Koshi in the first place was because I was struggling to believe any town could look at what copcake is doing and see town play. But this links into the Koshi seeing everyone as town theory. He's backing Cop as town because he knows cop is town. Koshi would have to be playing like a boosted animal to see Cop as being a town player right now and Koshi doesn't seem like a boosted animal hence Koshi is scum.
Ironically I think this makes Copcake town so if I was going to go by association I would say maybe JAT is mafia with MZ and Koshi not sure the rest and of course this is all a weird association case that doesn't hold much water so if you are in this list and think well I'm town so Koshi isn't scum don't get it wrong this is all simple theorising.
The important take away is Koshi is def scum for sure scum slipped and when confronted was all : "Oh yay I won't get nk'd because I'm totally town guys right??" Instead of "huh no that does make sense and look sus ngl I'm not but I see where you're coming from and it's understandable you're so smart JSL"
Okay maybe that last bit Koshi wouldn't say but still. Also just fyi heading into bed time here probably out for a bit.
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Or cop could just be mafia and that's why he's "seeeing them as town I guess" because he has to.
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