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On March 14 2024 21:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 21:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 21:01 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You gone? I’m off to bed then.
Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point. I’m fine with all of those. We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though. I kinda don't think I'm in any real danger of dying. I feel like if there is one town in MZ and Rels they will be forced to reconsider their opinion on me as the day goes on, and I almost can't believe iamp would stick with his vote on me. I just really, really want to hit mafia today. It's gonna make my life so much easier, and it's going to be hard and I'm probably going to have to be on the forefront of the wagon targeting said mafia. And I really, really don't want to mislynch a townie and have to deal with the bullshit fallout of that.
Also really don't like that post. It just sets up "MZ and Rels has to townread me now, if they don't I can push them".
Very similar to the thing that happened D1 where he got surprised at marv not townreading him while hard scumreading marv
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On March 15 2024 10:30 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched Ohh the village magician is here! Can you please shuffle the cards and show us what colour Queen CC is? (Before we lynch her)
He said town
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dmb will you shenany wherever dp goes?
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On March 15 2024 10:32 iamperfection wrote:
dmb will you shenany wherever dp goes?
Clearly not 😛
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On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on.
"better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point
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On March 15 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:32 iamperfection wrote:
dmb will you shenany wherever dp goes? Clearly not 😛
i mean from now on.
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On March 15 2024 10:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on. "better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point
It’s a big point though
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On March 15 2024 07:09 Palmar wrote:
I mean there's like 5 good reasons to lynch CC if we wanna go down that road
1) She has been caught making clear contradictions at least twice in the game
2) She is martyring, which should be a policy lynch
3) Koshi made a towncase on her
4) DP, my brother, my captain, my king
I figured I'd have more so 4 will do.
That's also a post I hated when I reread Palmar. That's what I meant when I said he would be ready to lynch anyone. Ready to lynch JAT, me, CC. It's like he's fishing for an out
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On March 15 2024 10:32 iamperfection wrote:
dmb will you shenany wherever dp goes?
no not whereever he goes but he has a damn good Townread from me so I trust him when I am felling unsure about voting. Trust makes it easy to manipulate me.
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On March 15 2024 09:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). -- Intermission--
So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him:
On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target.
Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum.
--"Conclusion"--
I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No.
I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt.
When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum):
Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake
DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy.
PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. I don't believe much of this post. Fully untunneled I proclaim that it's just not how a townie forms reads in my view. Like the DP and Vivax part at the end? What.Is.That???
[B]On March 15 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote:
He should be blindly spamming panicked posts that change target every time like the pros. There is no sense of urgency. No pressure. Just disclaimers, fine print, polished reads. Intermissions???
100% agree
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On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched
FWIW I think the only reason I don't care, but am forcing myself to care because a ML is bad for town and therefore goes against my win condition, is because Vivax diarrhea posting a shitty case on me that seemed to never end. I don't recall ever being misrepped and interpreted in the most negative way possible so consistently by anyone else, save for a particularly vindictive ex-girlfriend.
So at first I was frustrated by Vivax, then I got frustrated VT my getting frustrated by Vivax, and then I just achieved zen and stopped giving too many fucks.
However, I don't get the argument of "Jealous is scum because he isn't fighting his lynch too hard," so I'd need that one explained to me. Both scum and town don't want to be lynched, so what does a lack of fucks really indicate?
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On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset.
Really disagree that she "has to be dealt with". If you're think she's town but hard to deal with, just ignore her
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On March 15 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset. Lets make her wish come true. I still believe now after the mason that she is just a depressed Townie.
On March 15 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really feel bad about voting her, while seeing her finally as Town. But she doesn´t fell happy here anymore and she is self voting as well. So what else could we do?
Let her be? And vote for your scumread? lol
Opportunistic mindset from DMB, following DP/iam
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On March 15 2024 10:30 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched Ohh the village magician is here! Can you please shuffle the cards and show us what colour Queen CC is? (Before we lynch her)
I think she's town
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I think cake is like 80% chance of town. Stil think it’s the right lynch.
What do you do with her at lylo? What do you do when she self votes at lylo?
You are taking cake/vivax into mylo guys
Think about that hell you are inflicting on yourselves
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Dp shenany on to palmar ?
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On March 15 2024 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:32 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on. "better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point It’s a big point though
I just refuted it though
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On March 15 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset. Lets make her wish come true. I still believe now after the mason that she is just a depressed Townie. Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really feel bad about voting her, while seeing her finally as Town. But she doesn´t fell happy here anymore and she is self voting as well. So what else could we do? Let her be? And vote for your scumread? lol Opportunistic mindset from DMB, following DP/iam
so I should vote you?! like just a wasted single vote on you? How does that help Town?
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On March 15 2024 10:37 iamperfection wrote:
Dp shenany on to palmar ?
I already told you I think he is town…
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On March 15 2024 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:I already told you I think he is town…
i think you might be wrong
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