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On March 07 2024 11:00 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:58 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 07 2024 10:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
No I get why not lynching VE early I think everyone gets that, why do you then later say to lynch town VE later? I don´t need do quote Ve or do I? His hole filter looks scummy, but to be fear he always do Okay let me break it down, You said don't lynch VE early. This makes sense. you then say lynch TOWN VE later. ??? why would we lynch town ve later? Lynching SCUM VE would make sense. sorry mistake happens.
Gotcha, you can skip answering my last point then, you misspoke as suspected.
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On March 07 2024 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmmmmm in your opinion Jealous.
Sure mistakes happen but do you think DMB's "mistake" and reaction to it (not noticing we were even pointing out the mistake for ages) is more or less suspicoius than Koshi's "Mistake" and reaction to it. (ignoring it entirely and being like I'm town fuck you)
I think that both are NAI. I wouldn't even call Koshi's "mistake" that. As someone else told you, I consider "if" and "when" to almost colloquially interchangeable in that context.
DMB's mistake reads as far more damning to me but there are mitigating factors and I think that even some as seemingly erratic as them wouldn't have brought it up just to slip up like that, IMO.
I'm more concerned about the fact that most of what they wrote that wasn't a mistake felt pretty weak to me. This is their best case on their strongest scum read, and now they are too lazy to stick around, because "I don't wanna be town I wanna be mafia"? That's hella weak IMO.
I can see a genuine town doing that, I guess, kinda like how we have people who didn't vote and aren't posting for various reasons. However, I also see it as sufficient reason to keep them on my lynch list, because mafia isn't precluded from claiming laziness after flailing under some light pressure.
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On March 07 2024 11:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OK I'm caught up. No way scum shoots me with everyone who decided it was time for the D2 MZ scum read a little early but in case someone was inspired to vigi me I've got the following for scum in order of confidence:
JSL for stuff I've previously posted about
VE for completely fucking off from the game when the pressure let up from him
TTS for also completely fucking off
Marv based on vibes and his refusal to interact with the thread outside of the mason group.
JAT (but this is a weak read since my vote on him was more because I thought he was scummier, worth a revisit for me)
I'm no longer scumreading cop but I just wish she would answer my questions about JSL
Town reads who I'm never gonna lynch are:
Sandroba
Vivax
DP
Koshi
I mean, this is so close to being my own list that it's kinda eerie. A few names are missing a few I'd move - Marv and JAT to neutral at worst IMO - but that's about it.
Like I said to rayn, this doesn't necessarily make me think that you're town for this, though.
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On March 07 2024 11:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Who is missing off my list in your opinion jealous?
Maybe Rels, more likely CopCake IMO, and I wouldn't have minded to see someone else put rayn on there so I could bounce ideas off of them.
What's your take on rayn if you have one btw?
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On March 07 2024 11:24 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:01 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 07 2024 10:42 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1) On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not.
Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI. On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too. That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear. Okay, I can believe that you believe this 👍 On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!! As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar  As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head. This I am having a much harder time following. If I understand correctly you say that you wouldn't argue with DP regardless of your alignment, then you say you would not do it as mafia, and then you say you would do it as town? Perhaps this will be easier, allow me to rephrase: In this specific game, what can you point to as being reasons for why you are town by the 16 hour mark?I'm just struggling to understand what your ideal response from DP would be here. If someone put me on the spot like that, frankly I'd just be like: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0KMBuIS.png) On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
And the Ve post is good
He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early.
Compassion would be the best description The way you responded to it is "let them play, then lynch them because they are an active townie," which doesn't make much sense to me as "compassion"? As Jacob said above, that almost sounds like a scumslip, but I am sure I must be misunderstanding something or you misspoke. Starting a discussion with Dp with my English, his ambition and his never-ending questions get on my nerves. I would never voluntarily start a discussion with him if I didn't have to and the only reason I do it is because he is my main scum read. Being scum was really fun for me and that would take the fun out of it ergo I can not be scum Also the our major is slapping my ass while i try to translate my thougts correctly. Pls for god sake I have to concentrate Vivax
On March 07 2024 11:29 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:10 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmmmmm in your opinion Jealous.
Sure mistakes happen but do you think DMB's "mistake" and reaction to it (not noticing we were even pointing out the mistake for ages) is more or less suspicoius than Koshi's "Mistake" and reaction to it. (ignoring it entirely and being like I'm town fuck you)
I think that both are NAI. I wouldn't even call Koshi's "mistake" that. As someone else told you, I consider "if" and "when" to almost colloquially interchangeable in that context. DMB's mistake reads as far more damning to me but there are mitigating factors and I think that even some as seemingly erratic as them wouldn't have brought it up just to slip up like that, IMO. I'm more concerned about the fact that most of what they wrote that wasn't a mistake felt pretty weak to me. This is their best case on their strongest scum read, and now they are too lazy to stick around, because "I don't wanna be town I wanna be mafia"? That's hella weak IMO. I can see a genuine town doing that, I guess, kinda like how we have people who didn't vote and aren't posting for various reasons. However, I also see it as sufficient reason to keep them on my lynch list, because mafia isn't precluded from claiming laziness after flailing under some light pressure. I put myself under pressure to start that shit with dp. I know i couldn´t handle that as well as I should so why should I do that as mafia? I knew he gonna give me a lot of pressure more then all the other players would, so again why should I start that and not just take someone easyer do try do lynch and go more with the crowd thoughts. Why even start with the master? I would not be that stupid as mafia
Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it.
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On March 05 2024 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:12 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me. No one touches him. Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree. mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa how can you look into a person who has posted nothing?
Digging into filters rn and rayn makes a really strong point here IMO. Is this CopCake just trying to name random names to keep people busy/off of scum's trail and getting caught in a logical fallacy?
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On March 07 2024 12:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Jealous that's a quick draw on that vote, love to hear your thoughts on JSL based on the interaction he and I had just prior to the night post
I find it hard to get a read on them, but I do follow your reasoning here (for reference for others) and I think that you may be onto something.
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On March 07 2024 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Hi
Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role
Only one way to find out.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
If you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry.
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On March 07 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:17 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Hi
Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role Only one way to find out. ##Vote: OatsmasterIf you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry. Explain how this makes sense? You thought I was town before the check, why would I not be town now?
Because I believe it is more likely that I was wrong in my read on you than the probability of all of the following combined:
Alakaslam claiming cop as mafia, getting away with it, and then claiming you are mafia +
Alakaslam and a Mafia Framer both targeting you at the same time +
Alakaslam targeting you N1 and you happen to be an Unaware Miller
No point in overthinking it beyond that IMO. You flip red, I vote red. You get lynched and flip green, we lynch Slam. If you're truly Unaware Miller and Slam is truly cop and is for whatever reason still alive, well, we get fucked. I don't see any other way around it.
What alternatives do you propose to the above reasoning?
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On March 07 2024 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:29 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:17 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Hi
Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role Only one way to find out. ##Vote: OatsmasterIf you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry. Explain how this makes sense? You thought I was town before the check, why would I not be town now? Because I believe it is more likely that I was wrong in my read on you than the probability of all of the following combined: Alakaslam claiming cop as mafia, getting away with it, and then claiming you are mafia + Alakaslam and a Mafia Framer both targeting you at the same time + Alakaslam targeting you N1 and you happen to be an Unaware Miller No point in overthinking it beyond that IMO. You flip red, I vote red. You get lynched and flip green, we lynch Slam. If you're truly Unaware Miller and Slam is truly cop and is for whatever reason still alive, well, we get fucked. I don't see any other way around it. What alternatives do you propose to the above reasoning? You do realize that framer and miller are independent events right Very ridiculous you are setting up this premise that I’m flipping green and then you yeet slam after
Yea, I'm saying that the probability of all three of those events combined is still less likely than me just being wrong in my read on you.
In other words, if there is a 10% chance of A, 10% chance of B, and 10% chance of C, but a >40% chance of me just being straight up wrong in my D1/N1 reads, I'm going with the >40% chance. Again, props or sorry, whichever happens happens.
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On March 07 2024 12:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:35 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:29 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:17 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Hi
Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role Only one way to find out. ##Vote: OatsmasterIf you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry. Explain how this makes sense? You thought I was town before the check, why would I not be town now? Because I believe it is more likely that I was wrong in my read on you than the probability of all of the following combined: Alakaslam claiming cop as mafia, getting away with it, and then claiming you are mafia + Alakaslam and a Mafia Framer both targeting you at the same time + Alakaslam targeting you N1 and you happen to be an Unaware Miller No point in overthinking it beyond that IMO. You flip red, I vote red. You get lynched and flip green, we lynch Slam. If you're truly Unaware Miller and Slam is truly cop and is for whatever reason still alive, well, we get fucked. I don't see any other way around it. What alternatives do you propose to the above reasoning? You do realize that framer and miller are independent events right Very ridiculous you are setting up this premise that I’m flipping green and then you yeet slam after Yea, I'm saying that the probability of all three of those events combined is still less likely than me just being wrong in my read on you. In other words, if there is a 10% chance of A, 10% chance of B, and 10% chance of C, but a >40% chance of me just being straight up wrong in my D1/N1 reads, I'm going with the >40% chance. Again, props or sorry, whichever happens happens. Nice taking no personal responsibility for your actions
I guess this is you trying to make me look scummy as a last ditch effort? Meh.
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On March 07 2024 12:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:41 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax did you get roleblocked?
I am assuming yes. I don‘t know. You don;t get notified?
From OP:
Players will not be informed if they are role blocked (unless they would otherwise be receiving info)
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On March 07 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote:
New theory:
The mafia is slam, Oats, DMB, Rels, marv
Slam gave up D1. Rels is too busy. Oats did his best but can‘t contain all that info leaking out of dmb in the thread and wants to kill her. Slam told him not to and is avenging dmb by fakeclaiming cop to fake a redcheck on his teammate.
Marv is in shambles and just wants to spend a bit of time with Palmar.
New theory:
The mafia is Vivax, Koshi, Slam, JSL, and DP
They go max try-hard master mafia player mode to make themselves appear town and elect Vivax as mayor. Then they claim as many roles as they feel they can get away with knowing that there are so many roles available that they might just get away with a couple of them and thus look even more town. Then they guide us to mislynches, "reveal" townies like Oats as scum, and eventually get the most insane mafia victory of all time, making town look like a bunch of idiots. Their names are engraved on a golden plaque and the TL Mafia section is closed down. JAT and CC get canonized as saints.
/s
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On March 07 2024 10:06 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:59 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 09:55 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 09:45 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.
Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:
Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.
Or he's not and one of those is actually town.
Just putting it out there. Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ? Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ? Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall: Palmar JAT rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much) My perception of the following did not: VE DMB MZ Rels Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels. So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight). As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention. It‘s a bit in contrast to this very recent opinion On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:
Hmmm. I can see it as potentially scum!Rayn trying to push a lynch on Palmar then backing off of it when they saw it wasn't happening any time soon, and town!Palmar catching onto this and/or having other reasons for scumreading Rayn. However, I'll have to take a look at their filters to see what the actual timing and pacing of what you said is. Would rather see it with my own eyes than take your word for it. Well, I haven't gone through the actual filters yet, so that might change my perception. Again, my perception of rayn improved due to their activity overnight re: CopCake, but as I stated in my long-winded response to rayn in the first place ( link for reference) I haven't seen enough to make me think of rayn as now more town than scum at this moment. If anything, I think that keeping him around over would lead to better things for discussion- and analysis-wise than VE, DMB, TTS, and CopCake, which should thus be more favorable for the town.
So, following up on Rayn vs. Palmar as promised to @Vivax. Going to post the order of events after searching both of their filters for the others' name, for simplicity sake.
X -> Y = X suspects/reads/calls Y scum, neutral, or town. Note.
1351 Rayn -> Palmar, VE
1935 Rayn -> Palmar, Trfel
1943 Rayn -> Palmar, JAT
2082 Rayn votes Palmar; this happened after they had a bit of back-and-forth on a few things.
2902 Rayn -> Palmar.
2955 Rayn -> Palmar
3008 Rayn -> Palmar
3011 Rayn -> Palmar
3020 Rayn -> Palmar
Okay god damn there are like 80 more mentions of his name from this point onward and I am now realizing this was a dumb venture to catalog so I will just point out if/when he changed his mind.
... Okay so holy fuck, I went through Rayn's filter and never once did Rayn actually change his read from Palmar as scum.
I see now that what Vivax said was that he "backed off of" Palmar while Palmar was instead continuing to attack him. Somehow I equated this to Rayn changing his mind, but that never happened.
So, ultimately, I think this is mostly a nothingburger. Rayn was basically pushing Palmar due to meta stuff, and then it seems like Palmar pushed back simply because he doesn't agree with Rayn's meta-read approach? That's what I got by searching for their names toward the end of their histories.
TLDR This was an enormous waste of time IMO. Did find some other things to look into for tomorrow ET, though, so at least there is that.
And with that, I'm gone until then. Night, all.
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On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ
I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too.
However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam.
And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night.
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On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better.
Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip.
Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to.
Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that?
On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller.
Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again?
This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum.
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On March 07 2024 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:15 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better. Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip. Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to. Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that? On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again? This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum. Why would mafia approach it from this angle at all? What's the motivation in your opinion? As Marv said - they know they won't derail this lynch.
See above, it's what I mean by "sow chaos."
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Oh wow, by above I mean below because I forgot to copy one quote post into another:
On March 07 2024 23:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. They might or might not depending on the team. But I think grilling slam and sowing doubt on the check is the wrong thing to do this cycle. We could instead be discussing VE or TTS or even yourself and be planning ahead for tomorrow rather than losing this day to what is essentially WIFOM discussion about the check. I think it's easier for scum to just chum up the thread with pointless discussion on whether Slam's check is good or not. Scum don't even have to get Oats out of the check to have a succesful day, just spend it wasting time on pointless discussion rather than other potential scum.
^ And fill the discussion with more people who are on their side of the WIFOM, which now includes JAT, Koshi, Cop, so that it becomes less clear who is the scum among them.
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