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On March 07 2024 08:39 die_meatbaby wrote:
I am finish with work. Have to catch up and gonna explain later about my scum thoughts. i am just not sure if I really should do that at the nightphase
You should write about why I am mafia probably :D
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On March 07 2024 08:52 sandroba wrote:So this last post from JSL saying absolutely nothing of value about anything, has prompted me to filter dive. What I found is that JSL has not taken a single bold stance on anyone when trying to find suspicious behaviour. In the few instances where some suspicion is cast, it's always giving people outs in a very non confrontational way, basically avoiding taking any hard stances. A glaring example, amongst many, is this list post: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 17:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 15:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also I am a sucker for a good list post. You should make one then 😛 I should but I'm too tired after work while sick to actually go filter diving and my partner is saying "I must give them attention" so I'll just vibe post it. 1) raynpelikoneet Town although has gone quiet after the whole Vivax vs him as Mayor thing could be sleeping. 2) Oatsmaster I thought he was fixated on dumb early but I didn't think much of it. I thought it would be unusual given my reputation to attack me early if he was Mafia. Not that I'm good early but I've been pretty attack dog high volume doesn't die poster. 3) DarthPunk DP has cast a spell on me and I have turned into his little sheep dog no questions, this said he sounds super reasonable and even if he was mafia he would still be making the "right town plays" in terms of decision making so I'm not worried. 4) Vivax Super town now, I haven't pinned Vivax as the one to make the hero play (as mafia) 5) sandroba Seems reasonable and logical tbh 6) Trfel As above with sand however as pointed out by others meta is different and has kinda slipped away quietly for a while. 7) marvellosity I said this before in my other posts I can't read marv early and is backed by two masons right now. 8) Jealous Dislike inactive 9) Meapak_Ziphh get the same vibes as koshi where it's sort of been a whirlwind of activity around them I can't actually place once the dust settles 10) Palmar Yet to see any legendary behaviour 11) justanothertownie Just another lurker 12) die_meatbaby I like dmb just the vibe is right from last game when they were town. 13) CopCake Like the "Cheating" stuff is kinda townish but I did get the impression that at least someone is being supicious of vivax because "it's what town would do" not because they actually are. I guess my strongest mafia read based on evidence while having that nagging feeling of being wrong. 14) JacobStrangelove Seems like your standard chug along until day 3 town player where things become more clear. 15) Hapahauli Hapabout a post 16) Iamperfection I didn't like iamp's style until his list post then it redeemed him a bit. 17) Koshi See Meapak, only addition is they didn't jump on my bait but also last time they did as mafia did not go well. (although that was potentially unrelated) 18) ToTheStars Possibly understandably overwhelmed by the filter but I almost can't blame them but at the same time as a policy/Mayor hit feel fine with it. 19) VisceraEyes Similar to my weird stance on DP this game have almost decided to policy not lynch VE 20) Rels Hasn't raised suspicions 21) Alakaslam A less chaotic chaos player (out of the chezuinu and other style players) don't have a read just gonna null for now. Maybe slightly town. Yeah I guess in hindsight I don't have many mafia reads early. After a hit rate of 0 until late game every game though I have decided to be less aggressive. I tend to like to find who's most town then from then who's least coherently town to find the mafia rather than finding the suspicious behaviour outright as I keep jumping on shadows. Even his highest suspicion has a caveat of a "nagging feeling of being wrong". He pre-empts any case and posts a case on himself: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 18:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Don't worry I'll filter myself. The case on JSL On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. This is extremely sus. Jacob has never been known to put his ego aside and risk losing to either DP or TTT. On March 04 2024 12:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Trfel is mafia doesn't know it's his birthday, very sus.... implies he lied when joining. :p Fluff posting On March 04 2024 12:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...) On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. Wishy washy has no faith in himself to come up with reads. Setting up to be non committal day 1 On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Ahh shit this makes so much more sense when it's read as second in votes for lynch not second in votes for Mayor... I thought this was like some 5d chess bait post hence the fisherman comment. Intentionally misreads Meapak to drum up activity On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
This said if you make me Mayor I WILL vote for the second in Mayor votes just because that seems very funny. More Fluff and not funny Town JSL is funny. On March 04 2024 12:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Hey at least I'm reading your posts. What are your thoughts so far? I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early. Implies mafia won’t attack him early to discourage town for attacking him early. Ahh wait that’s technically hmm that doesn’t work actually On March 04 2024 12:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:42 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Exactly. Dumb post from MZ. Mafia dumb or dumb dumb? Not sure, its a whole lot of words about not much at all. I certainly don't want him to be mayor, any rate. Both mayoral candidates have been underwhelming thus far Wait you've forgotten about me! Also MZ sure trusting no one person but if it's like 16 /5 and you trust yourself it's now 15/5 is that better odds than day one second town lynch? Actually probably not and it at least gets someone town doesn't like gone but in your own words defend yourself! I wrote it and I’m not even sure what this shit was about. On March 04 2024 13:00 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Well as someone who also didn't know how the game worked (mayor election/voting for mayor) I didn't talk about the stuff I didn't know about until I went back and read the op and it was brought up and I am a classic case of just ask so I think there is some credence to being sceptical of a precice player just going disco and throwing questions when there are answers if you look into the thread.
After all this never really pressured oats master very much. On March 04 2024 13:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
OMG JSL Trfel and I am perf must be scum team they all decided to say the same thing at the same time. Omg even says he’s part of the scum team must be mafia. On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:
yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet. Says this but then flip flips on DMB later On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up. Pushes random lynches seeing what will stick. Okay tbh I kinda petered out at this point. Now some people found this to be a a town tell, and upon superficial analysis this might seem correct. Townies are in general more bold and impulsive than mafia. But in this case there is no town motivation for making such a post, and there is plenty of mafia motivation: it is disarming, it generates some wifom, it can be seen as "too scummy to be scum". It's very bold at the very least, but this boldness is not seen from JSL in any town motivated actions such as calling people suspicious or changing tracks completely all of a sudden. JSL has done nothing but fill up space in the thread, posting a lot of fluff, lots of commentary leading nowhere and lost of non confrontational stances. There is only boldness in mafia oriented behaviour, which is why JSL is mafia.
Do you think that JSL would filter dive Koshi and then make that whole big post about a scumslip and subsequent case as mafia?
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I do agree that Jake is way less suspicious than I am used to.
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On March 07 2024 09:09 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 08:52 sandroba wrote:So this last post from JSL saying absolutely nothing of value about anything, has prompted me to filter dive. What I found is that JSL has not taken a single bold stance on anyone when trying to find suspicious behaviour. In the few instances where some suspicion is cast, it's always giving people outs in a very non confrontational way, basically avoiding taking any hard stances. A glaring example, amongst many, is this list post: On March 05 2024 17:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 15:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also I am a sucker for a good list post. You should make one then 😛 I should but I'm too tired after work while sick to actually go filter diving and my partner is saying "I must give them attention" so I'll just vibe post it. 1) raynpelikoneet Town although has gone quiet after the whole Vivax vs him as Mayor thing could be sleeping. 2) Oatsmaster I thought he was fixated on dumb early but I didn't think much of it. I thought it would be unusual given my reputation to attack me early if he was Mafia. Not that I'm good early but I've been pretty attack dog high volume doesn't die poster. 3) DarthPunk DP has cast a spell on me and I have turned into his little sheep dog no questions, this said he sounds super reasonable and even if he was mafia he would still be making the "right town plays" in terms of decision making so I'm not worried. 4) Vivax Super town now, I haven't pinned Vivax as the one to make the hero play (as mafia) 5) sandroba Seems reasonable and logical tbh 6) Trfel As above with sand however as pointed out by others meta is different and has kinda slipped away quietly for a while. 7) marvellosity I said this before in my other posts I can't read marv early and is backed by two masons right now. 8) Jealous Dislike inactive 9) Meapak_Ziphh get the same vibes as koshi where it's sort of been a whirlwind of activity around them I can't actually place once the dust settles 10) Palmar Yet to see any legendary behaviour 11) justanothertownie Just another lurker 12) die_meatbaby I like dmb just the vibe is right from last game when they were town. 13) CopCake Like the "Cheating" stuff is kinda townish but I did get the impression that at least someone is being supicious of vivax because "it's what town would do" not because they actually are. I guess my strongest mafia read based on evidence while having that nagging feeling of being wrong. 14) JacobStrangelove Seems like your standard chug along until day 3 town player where things become more clear. 15) Hapahauli Hapabout a post 16) Iamperfection I didn't like iamp's style until his list post then it redeemed him a bit. 17) Koshi See Meapak, only addition is they didn't jump on my bait but also last time they did as mafia did not go well. (although that was potentially unrelated) 18) ToTheStars Possibly understandably overwhelmed by the filter but I almost can't blame them but at the same time as a policy/Mayor hit feel fine with it. 19) VisceraEyes Similar to my weird stance on DP this game have almost decided to policy not lynch VE 20) Rels Hasn't raised suspicions 21) Alakaslam A less chaotic chaos player (out of the chezuinu and other style players) don't have a read just gonna null for now. Maybe slightly town. Yeah I guess in hindsight I don't have many mafia reads early. After a hit rate of 0 until late game every game though I have decided to be less aggressive. I tend to like to find who's most town then from then who's least coherently town to find the mafia rather than finding the suspicious behaviour outright as I keep jumping on shadows. Even his highest suspicion has a caveat of a "nagging feeling of being wrong". He pre-empts any case and posts a case on himself: On March 05 2024 18:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Don't worry I'll filter myself. The case on JSL On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. This is extremely sus. Jacob has never been known to put his ego aside and risk losing to either DP or TTT. On March 04 2024 12:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Trfel is mafia doesn't know it's his birthday, very sus.... implies he lied when joining. :p Fluff posting On March 04 2024 12:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...) On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. Wishy washy has no faith in himself to come up with reads. Setting up to be non committal day 1 On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Ahh shit this makes so much more sense when it's read as second in votes for lynch not second in votes for Mayor... I thought this was like some 5d chess bait post hence the fisherman comment. Intentionally misreads Meapak to drum up activity On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
This said if you make me Mayor I WILL vote for the second in Mayor votes just because that seems very funny. More Fluff and not funny Town JSL is funny. On March 04 2024 12:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Hey at least I'm reading your posts. What are your thoughts so far? I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early. Implies mafia won’t attack him early to discourage town for attacking him early. Ahh wait that’s technically hmm that doesn’t work actually On March 04 2024 12:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:42 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Exactly. Dumb post from MZ. Mafia dumb or dumb dumb? Not sure, its a whole lot of words about not much at all. I certainly don't want him to be mayor, any rate. Both mayoral candidates have been underwhelming thus far Wait you've forgotten about me! Also MZ sure trusting no one person but if it's like 16 /5 and you trust yourself it's now 15/5 is that better odds than day one second town lynch? Actually probably not and it at least gets someone town doesn't like gone but in your own words defend yourself! I wrote it and I’m not even sure what this shit was about. On March 04 2024 13:00 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Well as someone who also didn't know how the game worked (mayor election/voting for mayor) I didn't talk about the stuff I didn't know about until I went back and read the op and it was brought up and I am a classic case of just ask so I think there is some credence to being sceptical of a precice player just going disco and throwing questions when there are answers if you look into the thread.
After all this never really pressured oats master very much. On March 04 2024 13:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
OMG JSL Trfel and I am perf must be scum team they all decided to say the same thing at the same time. Omg even says he’s part of the scum team must be mafia. On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:
yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet. Says this but then flip flips on DMB later On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up. Pushes random lynches seeing what will stick. Okay tbh I kinda petered out at this point. Now some people found this to be a a town tell, and upon superficial analysis this might seem correct. Townies are in general more bold and impulsive than mafia. But in this case there is no town motivation for making such a post, and there is plenty of mafia motivation: it is disarming, it generates some wifom, it can be seen as "too scummy to be scum". It's very bold at the very least, but this boldness is not seen from JSL in any town motivated actions such as calling people suspicious or changing tracks completely all of a sudden. JSL has done nothing but fill up space in the thread, posting a lot of fluff, lots of commentary leading nowhere and lost of non confrontational stances. There is only boldness in mafia oriented behaviour, which is why JSL is mafia. Do you think that JSL would filter dive Koshi and then make that whole big post about a scumslip and subsequent case as mafia? Yes, the content of that post is very underwhelming. There is a lot of pointless commentary and the main callout is of a scum slip which is semantics and a widely used way of phrasing things even when you don't know the alignment of the person in quesiton. So yeah, looks like a low effort mafia post pretending to be high effort.
The problem is I think aside from the lack of suspicion (which I think IS alignment indicative for JSL) lots of the stuff that seems to be pinging you is just how he plays.
He is pretty unreadable for that reason.
The thing that makes me think the koshi thing could be town indicative is that there is no reason for him to post that and make the effort as mafia, he was town reading Koshi (probably correctly)
It just seems really out there that THAT would be the push he would make as mafia.
I also just don't think he would be this engaged with the game as mafia.
What I don't really like about the push on Koshi is that I gave him a bit of encouragement to pursue it and he just didn't really go anywhere with it.
Basically I am weighing his high level of engagement vs his low level of achievement that you correctly identified.
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On March 07 2024 09:14 VisceraEyes wrote:I'm at work, Ill list post before dawn that's all I got bby
Ok fair that is basically my plan as well.
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On March 07 2024 09:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:09 sandroba wrote:On March 07 2024 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 08:52 sandroba wrote:So this last post from JSL saying absolutely nothing of value about anything, has prompted me to filter dive. What I found is that JSL has not taken a single bold stance on anyone when trying to find suspicious behaviour. In the few instances where some suspicion is cast, it's always giving people outs in a very non confrontational way, basically avoiding taking any hard stances. A glaring example, amongst many, is this list post: On March 05 2024 17:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 15:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also I am a sucker for a good list post. You should make one then 😛 I should but I'm too tired after work while sick to actually go filter diving and my partner is saying "I must give them attention" so I'll just vibe post it. 1) raynpelikoneet Town although has gone quiet after the whole Vivax vs him as Mayor thing could be sleeping. 2) Oatsmaster I thought he was fixated on dumb early but I didn't think much of it. I thought it would be unusual given my reputation to attack me early if he was Mafia. Not that I'm good early but I've been pretty attack dog high volume doesn't die poster. 3) DarthPunk DP has cast a spell on me and I have turned into his little sheep dog no questions, this said he sounds super reasonable and even if he was mafia he would still be making the "right town plays" in terms of decision making so I'm not worried. 4) Vivax Super town now, I haven't pinned Vivax as the one to make the hero play (as mafia) 5) sandroba Seems reasonable and logical tbh 6) Trfel As above with sand however as pointed out by others meta is different and has kinda slipped away quietly for a while. 7) marvellosity I said this before in my other posts I can't read marv early and is backed by two masons right now. 8) Jealous Dislike inactive 9) Meapak_Ziphh get the same vibes as koshi where it's sort of been a whirlwind of activity around them I can't actually place once the dust settles 10) Palmar Yet to see any legendary behaviour 11) justanothertownie Just another lurker 12) die_meatbaby I like dmb just the vibe is right from last game when they were town. 13) CopCake Like the "Cheating" stuff is kinda townish but I did get the impression that at least someone is being supicious of vivax because "it's what town would do" not because they actually are. I guess my strongest mafia read based on evidence while having that nagging feeling of being wrong. 14) JacobStrangelove Seems like your standard chug along until day 3 town player where things become more clear. 15) Hapahauli Hapabout a post 16) Iamperfection I didn't like iamp's style until his list post then it redeemed him a bit. 17) Koshi See Meapak, only addition is they didn't jump on my bait but also last time they did as mafia did not go well. (although that was potentially unrelated) 18) ToTheStars Possibly understandably overwhelmed by the filter but I almost can't blame them but at the same time as a policy/Mayor hit feel fine with it. 19) VisceraEyes Similar to my weird stance on DP this game have almost decided to policy not lynch VE 20) Rels Hasn't raised suspicions 21) Alakaslam A less chaotic chaos player (out of the chezuinu and other style players) don't have a read just gonna null for now. Maybe slightly town. Yeah I guess in hindsight I don't have many mafia reads early. After a hit rate of 0 until late game every game though I have decided to be less aggressive. I tend to like to find who's most town then from then who's least coherently town to find the mafia rather than finding the suspicious behaviour outright as I keep jumping on shadows. Even his highest suspicion has a caveat of a "nagging feeling of being wrong". He pre-empts any case and posts a case on himself: On March 05 2024 18:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Don't worry I'll filter myself. The case on JSL On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. This is extremely sus. Jacob has never been known to put his ego aside and risk losing to either DP or TTT. On March 04 2024 12:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Trfel is mafia doesn't know it's his birthday, very sus.... implies he lied when joining. :p Fluff posting On March 04 2024 12:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...) On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. Wishy washy has no faith in himself to come up with reads. Setting up to be non committal day 1 On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Ahh shit this makes so much more sense when it's read as second in votes for lynch not second in votes for Mayor... I thought this was like some 5d chess bait post hence the fisherman comment. Intentionally misreads Meapak to drum up activity On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
This said if you make me Mayor I WILL vote for the second in Mayor votes just because that seems very funny. More Fluff and not funny Town JSL is funny. On March 04 2024 12:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Hey at least I'm reading your posts. What are your thoughts so far? I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early. Implies mafia won’t attack him early to discourage town for attacking him early. Ahh wait that’s technically hmm that doesn’t work actually On March 04 2024 12:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:42 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:
[quote]There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Exactly. Dumb post from MZ. Mafia dumb or dumb dumb? Not sure, its a whole lot of words about not much at all. I certainly don't want him to be mayor, any rate. Both mayoral candidates have been underwhelming thus far Wait you've forgotten about me! Also MZ sure trusting no one person but if it's like 16 /5 and you trust yourself it's now 15/5 is that better odds than day one second town lynch? Actually probably not and it at least gets someone town doesn't like gone but in your own words defend yourself! I wrote it and I’m not even sure what this shit was about. On March 04 2024 13:00 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Well as someone who also didn't know how the game worked (mayor election/voting for mayor) I didn't talk about the stuff I didn't know about until I went back and read the op and it was brought up and I am a classic case of just ask so I think there is some credence to being sceptical of a precice player just going disco and throwing questions when there are answers if you look into the thread.
After all this never really pressured oats master very much. On March 04 2024 13:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
OMG JSL Trfel and I am perf must be scum team they all decided to say the same thing at the same time. Omg even says he’s part of the scum team must be mafia. On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:
yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet. Says this but then flip flips on DMB later On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up. Pushes random lynches seeing what will stick. Okay tbh I kinda petered out at this point. Now some people found this to be a a town tell, and upon superficial analysis this might seem correct. Townies are in general more bold and impulsive than mafia. But in this case there is no town motivation for making such a post, and there is plenty of mafia motivation: it is disarming, it generates some wifom, it can be seen as "too scummy to be scum". It's very bold at the very least, but this boldness is not seen from JSL in any town motivated actions such as calling people suspicious or changing tracks completely all of a sudden. JSL has done nothing but fill up space in the thread, posting a lot of fluff, lots of commentary leading nowhere and lost of non confrontational stances. There is only boldness in mafia oriented behaviour, which is why JSL is mafia. Do you think that JSL would filter dive Koshi and then make that whole big post about a scumslip and subsequent case as mafia? Yes, the content of that post is very underwhelming. There is a lot of pointless commentary and the main callout is of a scum slip which is semantics and a widely used way of phrasing things even when you don't know the alignment of the person in quesiton. So yeah, looks like a low effort mafia post pretending to be high effort. The problem is I think aside from the lack of suspicion (which I think IS alignment indicative for JSL) lots of the stuff that seems to be pinging you is just how he plays. He is pretty unreadable for that reason. The thing that makes me think the koshi thing could be town indicative is that there is no reason for him to post that and make the effort as mafia, he was town reading Koshi (probably correctly) It just seems really out there that THAT would be the push he would make as mafia. I also just don't think he would be this engaged with the game as mafia. What I don't really like about the push on Koshi is that I gave him a bit of encouragement to pursue it and he just didn't really go anywhere with it. Basically I am weighing his high level of engagement vs his low level of achievement that you correctly identified.
FWIW I put a LOT of stock in engagement levels as a way to find mafia.
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Vivax can you just tell me in dot points why you think jealous is mafia.
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On March 07 2024 09:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:18 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer. Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again. It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me. (I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in) Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post. Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense. On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH Rels is also cute I feel like we need a girls chat OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun. On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon  I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip. See here "I don´t really saw you making a wagon." From my perspective you aren't making a case "It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever." You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this. "Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia" You're not looking for mafia you are mafia. "here just for a reasonable town lynch" As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch "where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..." Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip. This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now" Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen…. Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about Look the second part I also disagree with, if she doesn't vote one of the top two lynches it's a wasted vote, like the three people who basically avoided the lynch entirely if she does she's gotta pick one of the two options. You've put them in a catch-22 scenario here where there's no winning. She either votes the lesser of the two evils and is scummy or votes for neither and is scummy. The point is that it doesn’t enter her mind at all that that’s the situation. She barely talks about either of them, just randomly starts ranting at me and DP.
agree.
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On March 07 2024 09:29 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 07:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Fwiw, being social- even online- is good for my position, not bad.
That's why. Yet I am genuinely thankful and haven't forgotten, Jealous. Who do you want to lynch slam? Also want this info. You're probably the least safe person tonight and "Practically town until future information" so I want to know what you think. Also DP, is Ray right about you agreeing with my case being good dumb if you are town? I mean I think I'm brilliant but I also do like Ray and I am curious about your response to it. I promise this before EON
I'd like to know your reads on cake and mebaby particularly.
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On March 07 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax can you just tell me in dot points why you think jealous is mafia. He cleared JAT for not wanting me mayor He scumread cop although she did the same He applied an universal reason for a townread selectively
Thanks, sometimes less is more.
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On March 07 2024 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 09:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax can you just tell me in dot points why you think jealous is mafia. He cleared JAT for not wanting me mayor He scumread cop although she did the same He applied an universal reason for a townread selectively Thanks, sometimes less is more.
Ironic from me but im trying to tone it down, lest this becomes imperial all over again.
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Jealous can you tell me in dot points why you did that?
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On March 07 2024 09:55 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:45 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.
Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:
Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.
Or he's not and one of those is actually town.
Just putting it out there. Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ? Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ? Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall: Palmar JAT rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much) My perception of the following did not: VE DMB MZ Rels Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels. So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight). As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention.
This post seems entirely reasonable vivax.
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I think palmar and JAT both look way better
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On March 07 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:05 DarthPunk wrote:
I think palmar and JAT both look way better Alright. I gather that you prefer cop and dmb? Any other three that come to your mind ?
Im posting my reads before the day post.
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DMB what is your read on cake?
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As for the mayor stuff, I would never 'run' for mayor unless I got two votes. I find the whole thing tacky honestly.
I don't tend to die early that often, because people always call me scummy as either alignment cause my play is balanced and I don't really have meta tells.
It's odd to me that both you and cake got hung up on me not running for mayor, having never played in a game with me as mayor, so therefore the assumption that I would run for mayor and not running is scummy is just weird.
Like why is marv not scummy for not wanting to run for mayor for example. Why have you not tried to find a game in which I ran or mayor.
I like to move my vote around to pressure people, the vote on rayn was my way of telling him to fuck off basically. That should be obvious.
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On March 07 2024 10:22 die_meatbaby wrote:So thats you answer  I have to rethink my hole list after the lynch happend and have to filter a few more people as well. If you really wan´t an answer to that. I am not fucking sure what the actuell fuck she is. there is a possibilty that she is mafia but also that she is town. I want to filter here old games a bit more for that.
Is there something else you want me to answer?
I am going to post my reads before the day post if I am alive we can hash it out then.
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On March 07 2024 10:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:21 DarthPunk wrote:
As for the mayor stuff, I would never 'run' for mayor unless I got two votes. I find the whole thing tacky honestly.
I don't tend to die early that often, because people always call me scummy as either alignment cause my play is balanced and I don't really have meta tells.
It's odd to me that both you and cake got hung up on me not running for mayor, having never played in a game with me as mayor, so therefore the assumption that I would run for mayor and not running is scummy is just weird.
Like why is marv not scummy for not wanting to run for mayor for example. Why have you not tried to find a game in which I ran or mayor.
I like to move my vote around to pressure people, the vote on rayn was my way of telling him to fuck off basically. That should be obvious. Hmm idk there's a lot of you dying night one in your recent town games. Although a fair few of you surviving too. Not quite 50/50 but a high enough percentage to debate that.
I died night one 1 time in four games 3 times I went to endgame or close enough.
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On March 07 2024 10:22 die_meatbaby wrote:So thats you answer I have to rethink my hole list after the lynch happend and have to filter a few more people as well. If you really wan´t an answer to that. I am not fucking sure what the actuell fuck she is. there is a possibilty that she is mafia but also that she is town. I want to filter here old games a bit more for that.
Can’t say I love this post.
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