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With wagons being on Palmar and myself this day is not heading into a promising direction. Mafia is doing well.
On March 14 2024 11:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Here is the reason for lynching JAT in my estimation.
Low impact Low presence.
I think I need to get defending myself out of the way first. I know people don't like it but I cannot help myself.
Attacks like the one by dp I quoted here annoy me to no end. I picked him because he is one the more recent examples and almost certainly town but this has been done by multiple people. Very rarely has anyone in this game listed an actual gameplay related reason for me to be mafia. Ironically, Iamp just did something of the sort with my Koshi post but that is more or less everything I read from all the people defaulting to calling me mafia. I think it is just lazyness compared with mafia hiding themselves well.
So - low impact, low presence.
To what kind of standard are you holding me here? My last towngame happened like 10 years ago. I spend an unhealthy amount of time on this game already and always made my opinions known. Unlike you, I also got my target lynched every single day and except for day1 where I my hand was forced I also pushed for it. And as you noticed yourself even there I made sure that my vote ended up in the right place.
Examples:
Oats vs. VE:
On March 09 2024 09:31 justanothertownie wrote:
I will go to bed now. The wagons are quite close right now so please be reasonable. Even if VE is mafia we still need to lynch oats. You are only postponing it if we are not doing it today and then people will again take this as an excuse not to play for a full dayphase.
That was when it was really close and right before I left.
On March 09 2024 09:39 justanothertownie wrote:I think it is like 8:6 Oats:VE now
I was getting us back on track before people like DP did.
VE vs. Copcake:
On March 12 2024 03:59 justanothertownie wrote:
My conclusion is that this is still the correct lynch. VE just started playing today when his lynch seemed certain. You could ask would a mafia player be so obvious/honest about just trying to survive as he was but yes, I think VE would absolutely do that. He just gets lazy as mafia if my memory does not fail me.
On March 12 2024 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Just stay the course. I am pretty confident he is mafia.
On March 12 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
But let's be honest for a minute - no towncredit should be given for martyring. In either case. I can understand it a bit better in copcakes case since DP was harassing her really hard. But she also kept coming back to fight him so she is not innocent either. The VE martyr is just overall ridiculous.
On March 12 2024 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
But let's be honest for a minute - no towncredit should be given for martyring. In either case. I can understand it a bit better in copcakes case since DP was harassing her really hard. But she also kept coming back to fight him so she is not innocent either. The VE martyr is just overall ridiculous. Fuck off with that, since when was I harassing her? Im playing the game and I think she is mafia, for good reasons. Yes, and you way of doing that is extremely aggressive. I experienced that day1. Why do you not want to lynch cake over VE? Because I think the chance of VE being mafia is higher. I thought I made that quite clear.
On March 12 2024 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Look, I don't even know why I am defending her so I will stop. VE is just obvious mafia.
Does any of this mean I have to be town? No. But I cared about every single lynch this game and was very clear about what I was pushing. And I was online and interacting more than I should have.
So kindly fuck off with your low presence - low impact. Anyone that is serious about lynching me today please do me a favor and reason out your read so I can actually refute it and get us back on track.
I will quickly walk the dog and start the filter diving. I have not found who I would want to lynch today and I agree that this is a valid criticism of my play.
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On March 14 2024 21:59 iamperfection wrote:
JAT is your only reason for thinking palmar town still marvs read?
It is for sure the biggest reason. Still stuck in filters currently.
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I'll start from the top and immediately ignore the first 2 entries. In both cases there is a 0.01 % chance that they are mafia but reading their filters is just not worth it for different reasons. I am not a masochist.
Jealous:
People really like his first list post - I will not quote it here since it would bloat this post because he said Hapa was town and that I would not go against Vivax mayor campaign. I think both of these things can easily be done by mafia. Especially since he is not applying this logic consistently as can be seen in his treatment of CC later.
He is also not consistent in the way he goes about the 2 day1 claims:
On March 06 2024 09:20 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. Look at the Sandro case I posted a little while ago. Yea, I keep forgetting to refresh after writing something and before I ask for stuff. Saw several posts on the previous page, gonna re-read them again. Thanks! Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:16 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. The only thing that bugs me when you write is that you actually go and look so hard into Slam well knowing he claimed cop. The only natural reaction would be 'meh, self-resolving' yet you still seem to believe there's something to be found and worth pursuing. So if he flips mafia at some point it'd make you look worse tbh. Ooh, I guess I didn't catch that; my bad on that. My eyes must have glazed over while reading his word salad, plus there is the issue of CopCake's name making that word not stand out as much as it probably should have (and sometimes being abbreviated as CC and sometimes not). Will go dive into that after I catch up on the JAT stuff. To be clear, if Alakaslam claimed cop role and there were no counter-claims by anyone, then yea, not gonna lynch him D1. If I can't get a read on him then that means that I can't really have much conviction in the fact that he is fake-claiming. Better safe than sorry.
This looks like an overexplanation to me. I mean of course it is different since he said he was scumreading slam but you can at this point just say - he claimed so he is town until cc. With Vivax it is really different:
On March 06 2024 11:40 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote:On March 06 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy. and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia. Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have. With Vivax claiming JK on D1 with no counter-claim, what percentage chance is there that scum!Vivax actually does that and gets away with it? If I understood the premise correctly, I expect it to be about 0%. Am I missing something?
On March 07 2024 03:58 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote:
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
The same was true for Vivax yesterday - did you push him for it? And that is only one example. Disagree, with the KP claim I basically had to assume he had to be town because a gambit of that level as scum just seems too insane/suicidal. So, I have to operate on the logic that Vivax is town and try to find scum instead. If things don't improve with him as mayor/"KP" long-term, then I'll have to consider abandoning my hypothesis.
Seems like he is struggling a bit to justify getting off slam.
He also never questioned the Oats lynch and lauded MZ for trying to shut down anything else:
On March 07 2024 23:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better. Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip. Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to. Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that? Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again? This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum.
Like I already said, while lynching oats was always the correct thing to do as town here. I fully expect most of the mafia players to not make themselves look bad by trying to derail. Especially not newer mafia players like Jealous who might be uncomfortable playing mafia.
He also had this weird interactions with Oats where he made listposts of Oats reads. More odd than scummy tbh. but why do that for Oats and not other people? They only had some very superficial interactions apart from that where Jealous was asking oats "where are you at? who is mafia?". Lost that post right now.
More egregious is however how different he treats me and CC. He is basically harddefending me at times for being against the Vivax mayor election:
On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed.
On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 07:30 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:
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Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth. I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town. I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads. I don't think it was as clearly cut as you put it. I believe that anyone fighting for Trfel to be lynched in the end has a massively high probabiliy to be town while scum was mostly absent after parking. It indicates that they at least believed in what they were voting. I don't see any indication that you believed your vote would hit mafia at any point. You just walked into the store and grabbed your preferred lynch among the shelves that people put closest to you and walked out. Where's any conviction behind what you said? No second guessing yourself ? I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Copcake however is mafia for doing basically the same thing.
On March 07 2024 09:38 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:@ Jealous I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Tsk.Tsk. But you put copcake into your scumreads. You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort. It was my genuine impression. He seemed to be driving that train of thought based on how I read it. Meanwhile... Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?
I believe this makes you caught buddy. Had to dive to see when exactly she jumped on that train because I am pretty certain it wasn't her starting it and I see this: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. So, sure, she agrees with it, but she is just sheeping IMO. I don't think a scum!JAT is dumb enough to put himself under the line of fire for this take. But I can see scum!CopCake sheeping him once he does and hoping to make something out of nothing. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:Not just that:
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT. Mostly referring to the call-out by sandroba itself and her posting being a part of what I found to be mostly trash posting in general up until that point, including the tea party, sharks, townreading the two people she invited to her tea party basically immediately, etc.
On March 11 2024 13:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:47 Vivax wrote:
She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then. Because JAT made the case when it didn't make sense to do so as scum because it painted a target on his back, she sheeped it and came out unscathed, and she has proven that she doesn't know how to read, so her sheeping it is NAI at best, optimistic scum at worst.
I don't think the characterization of her sheeping me on anything is fair.
Since then it has been a proper CopCake tunnel.
And he really tunnels hard here.The only other people he has voted this game are Trfel and Oats (after the check). I think he has a hard time changing his reads/is very static about them, which is something mafia players tend to struggle with. He is not ruffling any feathers all game with one specific exception and that is Copcake. Massive effort if he is mafia though - respect. And sorry Vivax for not seeing this earlier.
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This took so long I fully intend to skip Koshi as well. Literally no reason to read that filter.
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On March 14 2024 22:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:52 sandroba wrote:On March 06 2024 11:08 sandroba wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon  I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip word nr.4 today. Thank you  love to improve my english Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch Like is this for real? Annoyed at stupid people when she does not have a better lynch and isn't even saying she is confident the wagons are town? given the context that dmb doesn't think both wagons are townie and she finds d1 lynches to be always bad, do you think it is reasonable she is saying this? Does Oats call scum!dmb out for scumslipping here? Idk Where is dmb btw, she is freeriding this day too hard.
I literally pointed that out days ago. It is the biggest reason for why dmb has always been in my poe. I can totally see Oats thinking she actually scumslipped and pushing that. He shows no mercy.
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On March 09 2024 22:13 justanothertownie wrote:DMB: He is attacking her a lot. The question is - is it distancing or is that the townie he decided to push? Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 10:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 20:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:
So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
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Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
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There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
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I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
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She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either?Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out? Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm So what have you learned from the bolded section? I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction so what are you going to do? I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie So is this just a poe not trfel so jat? Or what is this? Ironic, since he never even gave a reason to vote me. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS You literally said that DP is searching for a reasonable town lynch when referring to him talking about his wagon. Lol this is hilarious How likely is it that oats thought this was a genuine slip (he knows dmb is mafia and I am town) and that is why he went after that and ignored the supposed Koshi slip? If my memory of his play is correct pushing his buddy like that would be a 100 % Oats thing to do. Same with the general accusation of tmi: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up. Why he didn´t do that do players like Koshi, marv or rayn. They wouldn´t fear Dp.
This is so Tmi it’s crazy, she knows that these players are town or what??
Especially since he did not give a rats ass about the supposed scumslip of Koshi.
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On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch
Only to then return when it got close?
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On March 14 2024 22:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch Only to then return when it got close? He closed his trfel option off, he needed a new one in case you could really get lynched
I repeat - to then return to me when it got close between Trfel and myself?
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On March 14 2024 22:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:45 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch Only to then return when it got close? He closed his trfel option off, he needed a new one in case you could really get lynched I repeat - to then return to me when it got close between Trfel and myself? Close doesn‘t get you lynched, he could hop back to dmb if the votes required him to.
Yeah, I don't think that makes a lot of sense. Would look really bad.
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On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie
I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old.
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On March 14 2024 22:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:48 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:45 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch Only to then return when it got close? He closed his trfel option off, he needed a new one in case you could really get lynched I repeat - to then return to me when it got close between Trfel and myself? Close doesn‘t get you lynched, he could hop back to dmb if the votes required him to. Yeah, I don't think that makes a lot of sense. Would look really bad. After your flip you mean?
No, immediately. Wasting your vote never looks good. Of course if I was mafia and lynched it would look even more terrible.
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On March 14 2024 22:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old. Fuck off to whom though
Not to Palmar ideally. I would compromise on Jealous right now. Think you have been on the right track here. Reading MZ now.
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On March 14 2024 22:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:45 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch Only to then return when it got close? He closed his trfel option off, he needed a new one in case you could really get lynched I repeat - to then return to me when it got close between Trfel and myself? "Close" I didnt check timestamps but next votecount was like 11 vs 6
He made it 9:7 when he voted me again.
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MZ:
He has some pretty rough interactions with the 2 flipped mafia:
On March 05 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Terrible post, care to explain this read?
On March 05 2024 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 15:37 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 15:36 Alakaslam wrote:
Oats and DP scum for scraping the bottom of the barrel?
Do either of you even have mayor picks of your own?
This is why I prefer Rayn, on like 5 posts, to either of you.
Yeesh.
Tothesky is some dude I have never seen before. Idk, I give Oats a pass for being new here? And not knowing the oh so called meta? Darth on the other hand, feels odd. Oats is definitely not new.
At the very least the TTS post would be kind of a dickmove if they are buddies. Since I assume TTS struggled a lot with this game.
His first read progression on CC is sooo out there. Tinfoil hat insane.
On March 05 2024 11:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I wanna get back to the lynch discussion because I want opinions on these posts from cake: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 02:22 CopCake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +In addition to voting on a day 1 lynch, players will be voting for a Mayor. Prior to the end of day 1, the leading candidates for Mayor should pm me a name of their choosing to be killed alongside the day 1 lynch. If no name is sent in then nobody will be killed. After the election, 3 players will be randomized to become bodyguards. I will PM you if you become a bodyguard. The Mayor will be immune to KP (but still susceptible to lynch) until all town aligned bodyguards are killed. I think mayor should not kill, right? on the first couple of days I mean. Also I noticed there is a framer, holy shit, I have to step up my game because LOL, I would have loved to have beeeeennnn mafia in this game, so much beautifulness I could have done with a role like that in my teaaammmmmmm. I absolutely hate this post, cake we have no idea if that role exists and it just seems like you're feeling a bit of pressure so you're already worrying about a potential red check. Like nobody has discussed the possibility of a framer at all up until this point and you bring it up out of the blue. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote:
I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't like this post, this reads like a prelude to the scum team not killing vivax if he doesn't win mayor and then you waltz in D2 claiming "oh he must be scum bc scum would have killed a claimed blue." If vivax loses mayor and doesn't die it's pure NK WIFOM at that point. Trying to pre stage a push on him suggests you know he's not gonna die if he's not mayor. This is making me even more comfortable Vivax is town since I have a scum read on you rn cake. Both of these come across as borderline TMI to me as well as prepping for a potential red check on her and a potential a mislynch on Vivax assuming he's town. I can't figure out a townie mindset where someone would make these posts.
On March 06 2024 09:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 08:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I just finished debriefing, I'm still at work and can't catch up on 600 posts. Can a couple of people please summarize what's happened? Palmar mafia, palmar maybe not mafia. Jat and Trfel maybe mafia Marv looking sexy in Speedos Breezing through the voting thread it looks like JAT and Trfel are the options, I see a couple of my town reads on Trfel but I had him as town very early on. If nobody can give me a convincing reason why JAT is town I'm probably gonna vote him as I don't recall being impressed by anything he posted up through last night. Still trying to get through shit at work but I'll check my phone until the deadline.
This is fine.
On March 06 2024 11:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:This is a rough post but I am going to put my vote on JAT before I read Trfel. My problem isn't with how he responded to the vivax mayor stuff, in fact he does a better job than some people did at articulating his concerns, my problem comes with his "POE scum list" and how easily that rolled into a Trfel vote for self preservation. + Show Spoiler +I used to love post by post analysis reads but now I hate them, however given the situation this is how I’m rolling with JAT. Two piles, love or hate. Let’s read. GoodOn March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. This is probably the only decent counter argument to the Vivax mayor thing, even if I disagree with it, he’s at least thinking and not just going REEE bc he hate Vivax’s claim On March 06 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi. I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all. I think this is a reasonable response to sandroba, I don’t think he’s right with his reasoning but I can see where he’s coming from. badOn March 05 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:
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Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N? Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate. out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player. Not out of spite. But he will not be calm/collected/respected enough to be a helpful presence I fear. Even if we believe the claim. Bad for many reasons On March 05 2024 07:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:47 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? The arrogance of the mason buddies knows no limit. Better not question them and just obey. Their disdain for the common man is indeed outrageous. How dare they treat us this way. Weird to even sarcastically agree with this after you already said you liked their town circle On March 06 2024 02:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Would have to PoE at this point. Probably someone in this pool:
Trfel
Jealous
MZ
JS
Hapa
TTS
VE
Slam
Would have to narrow it down somehow. Not meant as an OMGUS here but this is a super easy post for scum to make since he pretty much called out the lukers and slam. Sandroba actually calls this oout On March 06 2024 07:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. Like what? Trfel is in my POE. Not the worst lynch if it comes to it but I really see no reason to abandon this Palmar lynch right now. Terrible, absolutely no progression of how you actually processed your eliminations to come up with Trfel as your read.
I still absolutely hate this post. I had posted a PoE list. Trfel was in it. I was being wagoned with Trfel as the other wagon. What on earth is hard to understand about this? I am not sure it makes him mafia anymore rather than unattentive but come on man.
On March 07 2024 13:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:03 DarthPunk wrote:
I got masoned by Jealous.
So Koshi got his wish and maybe I will post a bit less.
I masoned Palmar because I wanted to poke him into posting more.
Towny thought. Misjudged Palmar. He should have known better after obsing Winter Warfare mafia though.
On March 07 2024 22:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Oats is town for the scumslip thing on Cake. In addition I like how he didn't vote Tfrel when iamp and DP went for him.
Vivax is so town for keeping up with the thread. And he saw the same rage after flip from CC as I did.
big oooooffff on iamp replying to tfrel on the mental health issues. That can't come from mafia iamp.
Copcake seems genuine upset after the lynch. Solidifies my townread on her. Also her scumreads are people who will be killed in the next 2 nights. It will be glorious to see her posts on D3.
JAT made a scumcase on my 2 scums. Good stuff.
Town!MZ would have been angered by the 2 townflips. His first post after the lynch is 2 pages further and starts with lmfo. He is a prime candidate for mafia.
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels. I'm taking it your scum read is here, bc you didn't like the way I reacted to the lynch? I was extremely frustrated with people lynching someone I had a townread on and also frustrated that I've spent most of the game playing catchup on the thread. I feel like every time I've pointed out stuff that I view is scummy, nobody responds and when I ask people direct questions they just blow me off, Palmar not responding to the whisper is kinda the cherry on top. If you're gonna try to lynch me instead of a literal red check because I said lmfao in a post then I don't think I have anything productive to say to you to change your mind. It feels like the folks who have filtered me only do so bc they want confirmation to their assumption that I'm scum.
Towny annoyance.
Now we get to day2. Initially MZ was all about shouting at people who questioned the claim. I already remarked that I think that is entirely the wrong way to approach this since mafia is more likely to just go along with it. Made him seem mafia to me at the time.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
On March 07 2024 23:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:07 Koshi wrote:On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people. Oh. Maybe I shouldnt fuck up and listen to rayn. Ok. It's Oats or Palmar. Think I'll vote Palmar. Your desire to find an alternative to the red check is making you less town by the minute.
On March 07 2024 23:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (10): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie
die_meatbaby (1): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (6): Vivax, marvellosity, Palmar, Koshi, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Given the non-voter list rn, I'm not convinced scum is just gonna roll with the red check and move on. I still think there's a chance we see someone try and make #bigplays today which is why I'm so against having this continued discussion on the slam check. Especially since there are people who have called it a good lynch and then not voted for it.
On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Last post here still makes absolutely 0 sense. He is also being a massive hypocrite since he is questioning the oats lynch later on as well. Also for complaining about people talking about math while talking about math himself. All around erratical and weird.
On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum.
On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle.
On March 09 2024 01:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 01:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote:
MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads? I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats. I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things. At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning. … do you not think he looks town and are you not voting for him? I thought his case on me was a little opportunistic but a lot of the stuff after that has looked better/town than anything else he's posted this game. I am voting him because I think he's going to flip red bc the math says so. Notice I'm not voting him and saying "oh yeah but I think he'll flip town." It's stuff like that which is giving me pause on him tbh, why vote on him when you think he'll flip town. If you think he's gonna flip town as Miller then why are you voting for him. If you think he got framed why are you voting for him. In a vacuum I think he's going to flip red because of how unlikely it is for either of those events to occur. But everyone being so wishy washy with their votes is making me uncomfortable.
On March 09 2024 09:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 09:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 09 2024 09:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't see how scum palmar puts his joke vote on the only plausible counter wagon if VE is scum too. What do you mean oats had 10 votes voting on scum ve is entirely safe from his perspective. Yeah that is true, and I guess his vote is the only thing that's driving me putting VE ahead of him on the lynch priority right now.
I really do not understand his thought process here. But it is also really really brazen if he is mafia.
The rest of his filter afterward he is looking like he is actively trying to solve the game and struggling with it. Overall, his filter looks much better than I imagined it would when I started this. It might have been because so far I mostly focused on the parts I really dislike, which would be his terrible post about my day1 vote and the crazyness on day2. I think he is town now or at least would not lynch him right now. Massive hypocrite though.
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On March 14 2024 23:44 Koshi wrote:
When Oats was getting lynched. The last 3 on the VE wagon were MZ, iamp and CC.
Now that JAT is lynched. They are all 3 sitting on the opposite wagon as well.
And during d1 none of them joined the JAT wagon except MZ when it was 9-5 for JAT, 8 minutes before deadline, and Oats joined 1 minute after.
What are you saying exactly? That they are mafia and voting as a block? Would be the first time that ever happened.
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On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes.
When did that ever happen? Quotes please.
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On March 15 2024 00:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes. When did that ever happen? Quotes please. I can only do an indirect quote. No I cant cuz I dont want to go search. But somebody recently said: "JAT asked permission on marv to move to Oats"
Ah, somebody said, eh? You are full of shit. With all due respect.
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Both of those posts have nothing to do with what Koshi said.
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On March 15 2024 01:04 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong. Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle. ##Vote: Jealous^ There's my proof that I'm town.
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Palmar:
Early posts on Oats:
On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy
On March 05 2024 06:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy Then he voted for me and I'm blasting town like everywhere PPPSWSSHHHHHH I agree with you being town. I'm like 2 pages into the game so all my reads are just random feelings right now but I like you, Vivax, iamp and DP. I don't like Oats.
On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill.
Looks fine. I don't even mind him letting other people talk him out of it. I definitely also lynched Oats for being bad town in the past.
On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread.
Bold post to make as mafia now that we know the masons were all town. And I also fully agree with the sentiment.
On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though.
Another good read.
On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad.
This was pointed out and I thought it was a good point when it happened. Why the added justification for Hapa but not for TTS.
On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:This is a good call.
He later supports a vig on TTS though. So that is fine. I did that too btw.
On March 06 2024 23:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Btw. I agree with whoever said it that TTS would be a prime vig target.
On March 07 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:35 Palmar wrote:
It's so enjoyable watching rayn hammering someone other than yourself.
Go rayn! youre still scum. until you explain how in your head mafia rayn masoned mafia marv (1min into the game) masoned town sandroba. until you tell us why VE is mafia, because he is You see, I understand this is a stretch for you but I am capable of holding multiple options in my head at any moment. We had this argument last game as well, where you were mafia trying to hammer me for exactly the same logic. I do not make associative readsSo, I can think at some point that marv is mafia, and I can independently think you are mafia, and even if I agree that it's unlikely you'd do a stunt like that, that doesn't change my individual conclusions. Now I'm not even sure marv is mafia, hell I'm not even sure you're mafia, I really liked you going after copcake just now. Remember, we HAD THIS ARGUMENT last game, and you were the mafia and I was the town there. I do not make associative reads and I do not care about links like this. I just individually consider players and accept that sometimes I'm wrong. If marv is scum and you're town, that makes the mason thing suddenly not weird at all, same with the other direction, could just be a stunt you pull. It really doesn't matter to me, that's not how I think about the game. Also I kinda agree VE has fallen off a cliff in my opinion. I kinda wrote him off and haven't filter dived him mostly for that tonal read that he was enjoying himself, but since then he has stopped enjoying playing... so... that no longer applies?
I think I buy that post in hindsight. They really did have that argument in the last game. The thing about associative reads though. Proceeds to make an associative reads in Iamp and me.
On March 14 2024 07:40 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to vote for jat now.
Koshi can you do it with me, feel free to go back to me later, but I want to build a small wagon on jat.
I just went quickly through jat and iamps filters. They talk a bunch with each other, but give almost no reads on each other. iamp was in some list post by jat at some point, but that was really about it. I searched for "iamp" and "jat" in each other's filter, so if they use a different name it might be wrong.
Basically, at almost no point have these two given an "hey I think this guy is X because of X" on each other. It's all just quoting each other in discussions, usually about a third party.
So here's a thing
1) @iamp: what do you think of jat and why. I know you think I'm mafia, but even if I am you'd still have to find 2 more people. Go make a towncase if he's town and scumcase if you think he's scum.
2) @jat: what do you think of iamp and why? I'm not actually up to date on your stance on me, but I remember you sheeping marv's read quite hard so you may be one of the few people who think I'm town. So go ahead and make sense of iamp, tell me if I'm wrong.
This is one of the worst things he did:
On March 09 2024 07:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:54 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 07:53 Palmar wrote:
It's 10v4 now with copcake doing some dumbassery on the sidelines. It literally says 5 mafia in OP bro. Dont try your fake ass dumbtell twice. I'm talking about the votes 10 on Oats 4 on VE
Proceeds to vote VE despite knowing full well it is 100 % the wrong play. This is his justification:
On March 13 2024 21:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 21:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 21:20 Palmar wrote:
Think it's a little towny of mz to call me mafia.
What's your view of koshi. I have listened too much to Koshi this game. I felt like he had thread presence where I lacked it so I've kinda deferred to him. This was especially noticeable on day 1 where I kinda dropped my Oats thing because of his towncase and day 2 where despite writing with every post I made that we needed to lynch Oats, I let my annoyance of VE and Oats legendary defense convinvce me to just go fuck it and vote VE. That was a stupid decision.
Which is just... weak. Palmar of all people should know better.
The thing I dislike apart from that is his how he treated me all game. But I know it is unfortunately not very telling about his alignment. He just has this hardon for pushing me regardless of his alignment. Still would like him to apply a bit more fairness. He attacks me for having no justification to vote him except sheeping marv. Which he knows fully well is a very reasonable thing to do. I pointed this out in my night1 analysis already.
On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch
He even uses the same argument himself:
On March 13 2024 22:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 22:04 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 22:00 Palmar wrote:
By the way I feel like I've noticed you getting hung on weird stuff that is completely expected several times this game iamp.
The only reason I'm givivng you a tiny town read is that I think I'm sheeping marv. ? You have played with me before why do you have to sheep marv See this is the kinda shit that bothers me. Why wouldn't I sheep marv? He's a really, really good town player that I respect. What on earth is weird about that?
I feel like if he is town he is just defaulting to calling me mafia since he is too lazy to actually put in the effort to find mafia. This post illustrates that quite well:
On March 14 2024 18:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:36 Rels wrote:On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Where is this happening???? You're voting for JAT, the player that probably townreads you the most in the game I am absolutely developing reads throughout this day. I've added Koshi and you to my town circle, downgraded iamp to possible mafia, come back around on thinking jat has to be mafia.
Apart from that I have collected a big bunch of posts where I either like his tone or where he is policing the thread in a very calm and pro town way:
On March 05 2024 06:23 Palmar wrote:
I really, really, really despise the fact that I can't just click "All" and "ctrl+f palmar" because you assholes spammed this game into oblivion. I really am mostly interested in people talking about me.
On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it.
On March 06 2024 06:58 Palmar wrote:
Also wow this Palmar, 5 pages of filter. Very active and productive town. Maybe don't kill?
On March 06 2024 08:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:54 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 07:53 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote:
Is Palmar actually playing?
10 pages behind. I was earlier today as well... Okay. Are you playing better? Can you improve on perfection?
On March 06 2024 18:56 Palmar wrote:
Kinda important for town to not lose hope and devolve into bullshit though. No matter the outcome, at least one (hapa) of the lynches was a good play by policy. No reason to beat ourselves up over taking out trash on day 1. Plenty of time left so just keep morale up and stay positive.
On March 06 2024 19:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:46 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:44 Alakaslam wrote:On March 06 2024 11:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Why does DMB not post reads.
The last time she was up for lynch as town she spewed town hard. Anger, different more ... Arrogant, playerbase She and vivax hate hubris. ahh thats why we both don´t like Palmar That makes no sense, I am probably the most humble player you will ever meet.
On March 07 2024 01:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 01:09 Palmar wrote:On March 07 2024 01:04 iamperfection wrote:
If you both think each other is mafia why is there all this mucking up the thread with each other. Quit bitching, the upper class is having a meeting. Be more respectful toward your betters. Smh Always respectful towards my betters, just haven't met any.
On March 10 2024 08:30 Palmar wrote:
I mean. And tell sober Palmar that he’s lying if he evert tries to dispute this.
The only reason I think Ve may be mafia is because he isn’t having enough fun with me.
On March 10 2024 08:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
What did you and MZ talk about in your discord chat? Idk what chats do so I just asked him to claim blue.
On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two? I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game.
Conclusion: Probably still town. In combination with marvs read definitely not a good lynch today. The only thing that I really dislike is the vote for VE on day2 and you could argue that would be stupid mafia play.
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