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On November 20 2023 12:59 iamperfection wrote: I'll obs for now if it doesn't start till mid Dec I can probably in I think you should join right now. | ||
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On December 10 2023 14:00 sandroba wrote: It's not "no read", it's a few things that point one way or the other. The point of sharing inconclusive thoughts is that it helps other players make sense of my alignment and also invites others to partake in the discussion. What exactly do you mean with this? | ||
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On December 10 2023 18:04 DarthPunk wrote: But what are you? What do you make of trfel? Town. Depends mostly on what he answers to your question towards him. So you'll have to wait for my read. | ||
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Reading until here so i don't miss anything: On December 10 2023 21:30 Vivax wrote: Where is said question and why do you need him to answer it? This: On December 10 2023 17:10 DarthPunk wrote: Trfel, what kind of committed position would you reasonably expect sandroba to have at that point in the game? Now at the time my position was sandroba doesn't look good (for reasons -- not exactly for his opener), Trfel looks nothing out of ordinary. However i am not the only player in the game, so i decided to see how Trfel deals with DP questioning him, without interfering at that point. | ||
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On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote: What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance. Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote: Is that supposed to change something? Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:29 marvellosity wrote: It’s baseless so there’s not a lot I can say about it really most of the stuff is quite baseless atm, though | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:27 Vivax wrote: Do you have a take on Sandros posts? My take is that he is supposedly saying he finds something alignment indicative in Slam's posting, doesn't tell what that is or which way in his opinion it points towards, but somehow Trfel is supposed to(?) do that. | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:34 marvellosity wrote: As in literally there’s not an explanation. well i think my educated guess is correct. take that as you want | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:36 marvellosity wrote: On what sorry? There’s 2 votes on you and 1 on me and I don’t understand any of them On Palmar. Yeah i agree on the votes. | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:36 marvellosity wrote: On what sorry? There’s 2 votes on you and 1 on me and I don’t understand any of them Let's say there would be votes on two people you would understand them to be on, who would they be? | ||
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"You convinced him lol" is not how it works though if youre town. | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote: Just kept posting. Not a lot more than that tbh Trfel is basically a synonym to wishy-wasy when he is town. He makes very good points and then keeps doubting himself on them over and over again which makes other people questioning him which makes himself questioning himself even more. I don't think there is basically anything "wrong" (or scummy) with his play here. | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:59 marvellosity wrote: And if he’s mafia? If I had to guess he’s angrier? He just doesn't do that. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3 | ||
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On December 11 2023 02:04 Palmar wrote: He did say exactly what he found alignment indicative. I actually hard agree with liking that by Sandroba, which is why it's so disappointing he doesn't come out with a favorable opinion. He literally ended the sentence with "again, not very telling". | ||
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On December 11 2023 02:15 Palmar wrote: yeah that's kinda my point he liked something, but then just talked himself into not committing to the like. I do like that post from slam and I do think it makes him 100% confirmed town. So basically we are disliking the same thing from sandroba but you're telling me i am saying something wrong? | ||
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If you get what i am saying | ||
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On December 11 2023 02:21 Palmar wrote: Can you go argue with HF now, I'm making popcorn. I can't. Unless he brings something to argue to onto the table. My list is pretty close to yours color wise. I have also Vivax green. | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:23 die_meatbaby wrote: Hello nice do play again. Didn't post anything and there are already votes. I will catch up in a few hours as soon as my shift is finished Vivax do you have any thoughts on this? | ||
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On December 11 2023 02:38 Alakaslam wrote: I too still eagerly look forward to Holyflare's explanation Too eagerly for what? | ||
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On December 11 2023 02:57 Vivax wrote: No. Koshi kinda scummy though. You maybe too. Just gut atm. So it's not out of place or anything to say "Didn't post anything and there are already votes." for her? | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:04 Trfel wrote: The other thing was that Vivax's posts didn't seem to have any order, he pulled quotes from seemingly random points in the thread. I can't follow the thought process that leads him to bring up the things he did, and especially not in that order. Can you explain this further, which posts are in wrong order? | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:20 Trfel wrote: Looking at it a third time I guess it's less than I thought. Mostly here, where Vivax jumped ahead to get the top quote from marvellosity. Otherwise, his catch-up is in chronological order and reasonably focused (if slightly uninspired imo). This strikes me as odd though, it makes it feel like he's already caught up with the thread while the surrounding posts (here and here suggest that he's posting as he's catching up. Not a huge thing, honestly his lack of thread presence at this point is probably more indicative. The Vivax I remember is a very strong player, and he just hasn't seemed invested so far. Side note, I feel similarly about DarthPunk though (lack of thread presence), since he dropped his push on me he seems content to not do too much. Isn't it just like he read marv's post, went back to check what DP said and made a conclusion of "i agree" of the post DP made (bolded part)? | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:22 Vivax wrote: Rayn doesn't look eager for conclusions Ahh you have that thought, well you should keep voting for me for at least next 24 hrs prolly then ^^ | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:18 Vivax wrote: He's still lurking and withholding his innermost thoughts beneath the cheeky facade I agree thoguh, Koshi can die if he keeps doing this. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:29 Trfel wrote: Possibly, but the posts before and after are well before marvellosity's post. I That's actually true. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:31 Trfel wrote: Also, when do we policy lynch marvellosity for smiles being suspicious?  You only do that if you're Robik and therefore dumb af. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:31 Vivax wrote: Like finding out that Chezinu works for methlab and might know something about the mafia. Idk what to say about this so bye for now. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:46 Holyflare wrote: At the time I read (this morning) you had not called sandro out. When I voted, you barely called sandro out and you came up with some hipster reason that you didn't even disclose. Neither of those things matter to me because at the point you had called sandro out pretty much the whole thread had and your post is basically 0 commitment to saying sandro looks bad. None of it really matters to your connection with palmar's connection to sandro though. Can you really not read between the lines that much, that when i was playing in the morning, the only question i posed to anyone is someone i might find some suspicious about? | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:51 Trfel wrote: I believe this is the post in question. Raynpelikoneet, other than the above question though, can you help me understand why you are so confident Holyflare is mafia? because he is trying to say (1) palmar made a post about sandroba, which he considers bussing. (2) because of that, he votes for me, because i think palmar is town (for whatever reason) (3) after catching up he is now suspicious of vivax, who shares the whole sentiment of him thinking palmar is bussing sandroba, which doesnt make any sense. and even if he changed his mind, then (2) should not apply because we all 4 cannot be mafia... | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:56 Holyflare wrote: You have put way too much stock into me paying attention to something. I just wanted to get a vote down and make people comment on it. Okay, so where is your head at now, if none (or some) of this is not true anymore? :D | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:58 Holyflare wrote: tbh the last time I read rayn hadn't actually defended sandro or questioned him at that point I did though, way before you voted for me. | ||
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Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote: Convuluted af reasons really. I thought Sandroba was quite likely to be mafia and Palmar made this post: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote: Sandroba correctly identified Slam’s best post (smiley thing) and also noticed how excellent it was but somehow convinced himself to not make a good read on it. Brazilposting in crisis? Implicating that Palmar was ready to bus sandro because the reasoning here is extremely tenuous imo. I don't believe that palmar thinks the post is good but simultaneously uses it to discredit sandro. Maybe he would but I don't think so. It feels more like thread influence has made palmar take the read and use it as his own stance for slam and then try and double down on the sandro read. Reading into this and then seeing rayn post some drivel like: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar pros town here. kinda made me think that maybe I was doing palmar a disservice and he could come up with something like that and rayn was just TMIing palmar as town because I don't think anything palmar said should be really conclusive for palmar's alignment in the slightest, especially not to this degree that rayn was talking about he's since given more elaborated reasoning for it like: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. Which I guess is somewhat accetable but it's still a really silly reason to base the read on that. One thing more, is this why you originally voted for me? (before the post(s) where i explain my stance on Palmar)? | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:11 Holyflare wrote: Not just the connection with palmar, no. Your stances on people were very vague and devoid of substance. Your read on trfel was dependent on what he responded to DP but I think you should have easily had a better read on trfel with his posts vs sandroba at that point too. Especially apparent that you hadn't even talked about sandroba there too. Feels like you were measuring thread temperature before taking a stance on either. You did expand on it in your "attack" on sandro here: Which is a fine follow up I guess, but this didn't exist then. I asked you this: On December 11 2023 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you really not read between the lines that much, that when i was playing in the morning, the only question i posed to anyone is someone i might find some suspicious about? You responded: On December 11 2023 03:58 Holyflare wrote: tbh the last time I read rayn hadn't actually defended sandro or questioned him at that point If you voted me after reading anything Palmar has ever said in this game, your last bolded statement is a lie. | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:18 Holyflare wrote: Oh I think I see what you're saying. You should look at the timestamps of Palmar's reply because it is not when you think it is. 2 hours ago is not anything near to when I said I read and it most certainly isn't the beginning of the game or his filter like you're saying it is. I am saying when you voted for me, you had read some Palmar's post(s), but hadn't read any question to sandroba from me. That's a lie if you have read the thread as you claim, because: My question: On December 10 2023 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: What exactly do you mean with this? Palmar's first post in the game: On December 10 2023 17:49 Palmar wrote: I like slam and it annoys me that no one has yet said he’s 100% town confirmed. Look at the time stamps. | ||
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If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:59 Holyflare wrote: Also: Of all the posts in the thread I also take umbrage with the fact that you've essentially taken this one as a pseudo way of defending yourself. I also would like you to elaborate on this some more because there are several interpretations of what this can actually mean and it's vague enough that you can use it to imply many things. This is a very good observation, although you don't anything useful with it  | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote: I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective. Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) | ||
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i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:31 sandroba wrote: Thanks for looking out for the rest of us, I do believe you are town. Believe it or not I wasn't so much defending myself as I was questioning HF. If it wasn't clear I find vivax to be the most likely mafia so far, with marv following just for being wrong and stirring up suspicion the wrong way and a bit iffy on HF but that might be just omgus on my part. Right at this moment i am more interested in if you can be here after ~30mins or not? | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:35 Alakaslam wrote: Wait wait He also calls us to submit to Government (1 Peter I have people read the whole book, get that delicious context yo) So then, good rules have their origin in God so obedience to good rules is obedience to God. We cannot ask people to play against their win condition... Breaks the game... I repent, i am a greenery!!! Oh praise me lord!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:42 sandroba wrote: I'm not going to stick around much longer, my youngest just woke up. I'll be back around 10pm ET. Tomorrow I'll be available throughout the day why is marv mafia? | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:50 Chezinu wrote: I'm too good at this game, so I am not allowed to tell people if I am town or not. A new rule for me since you last played. thats actually true lol ^_^ | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:31 sandroba wrote: Thanks for looking out for the rest of us, I do believe you are town. Believe it or not I wasn't so much defending myself as I was questioning HF. If it wasn't clear I find vivax to be the most likely mafia so far, with marv following just for being wrong and stirring up suspicion the wrong way and a bit iffy on HF but that might be just omgus on my part. Let me be more specific, how is he stirring up suspicion, i can't see that. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:42 DarthPunk wrote: Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him. Why, please? | ||
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Why do you just leave it like that? | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote: Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. I had my concerns on marv's first post(s) last game, he ended up being mafia, i ended up being night killed before figuring that out. However his opener here (real opener - the post about Trfel), seems to be just what i think at the time. It might be just a bad coincidence you called out Trfel's post, but idk... i feel the same way about your post then what marv did. If you are town, obviously it is possible marv is mafia. I do not think we're gonna find about that until closer to EoD. I think he is town, and i don't think you accusing helps your case in my eyes as if this is the reasoning. Anyways for now you are not going to convince me of your PoV. What about Vivax and HF? | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:03 DarthPunk wrote: Basically because in isolation his posts resonate with my own thinking in some way. I do think you had one of the best reasons to call him mafia though, which I hadn't read when I made that post. But I still don't think I would lynch him at this point. you think he really thinks marv is mafia? | ||
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do you think marv is mafia? | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:00 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I am not sure what you mean? Who are we talking about? Vivax | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:56 Trfel wrote: I don't know, I am not that confident in anyone. My best guesses would be you, DarthPunk, Koshi, and sandroba (not in any particular order). @Holyflare, I have not made a reads list. The above people are the ones I'm most interested in currently though. @Chezinu, what happened to the house of brown? I mean like, you ask Vivax if he has any thoughts on DP. I messed up the whole quote chain, but this still makes no sense tbh. | ||
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that was for sandroba | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:22 DarthPunk wrote: Hard agree, particularly as I am just re-reading that part of the thread. please do it for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:23 die_meatbaby wrote: Hello nice do play again. Didn't post anything and there are already votes. I will catch up in a few hours as soon as my shift is finished lynch | ||
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maybe actually when she flips mafia, lynch vivax, then lynch anyone who thought vivax is town other than me :D | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote: I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. | ||
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It's not like you're being tunneled by Trfel DP, is it? Now i don't know why you think Trfel is mafia, where did he lie, or did any of those dubious things that might make them mafia? Bullet points please. Also look at what HF did: - rayn is scum because palmar - rayn posts - palmar didnt post when hf voted | ||
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I only know for like 90% that he is wrong because Trfel is not mafia. Maybe 10% but no. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:14 DarthPunk wrote: Did he actually try and justify that vote on you from the start of the game? Cause that does look bad. Read his filter. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:13 Chezinu wrote: Mr. truffles responded when I wrote a letter to the Mafias and then said what is wrong with being brown, meaning he doesn't want to go full green. So either blue or red, but I R red/blue blind. Mr. Truffle, will you play the brown? Eres rojo o azul? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:17 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn before you go. Is koshi mafia or town if you had to choose. mafia | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:14 DarthPunk wrote: Trefel has me in his top two lynch candidates, why would he do that and then talk to me like I'm town. Is this true Trfel? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:31 marvellosity wrote: Wasn’t DMB super excited to play as maf though sure. i dont like "i will be here" then i am not sayings. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote: Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts really? then we have a problem as well. i dont think it's a good problem for either of us, but we will have a problem... | ||
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someone help? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:39 DarthPunk wrote: I really tried to see it but I don't get it either. It's okay. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:40 marvellosity wrote: I don’t see the point in talking about this yet. Of course he plays anti-town. In 24h if he plays the same still it’s more interesting. As he will be playing against his wincon if town which is just mega shitty and deserves a policy lynch yeah but you know he was asking, and if i dont answer it's all DP going full shit on rayn for some shit like you didnt give a shit about koshi when you hsould have, i dont have time for that. thanks | ||
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I hate that i have this shit schedule, i have basically more work than everyone else combined in our production. Thankfully starting tomorrow i am not working anymore this year. | ||
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I have honestly no idea how marv thinks HF is town at this point of the game. | ||
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On December 11 2023 12:36 sandroba wrote: I feel like this post sounds very unnatural, and also has some confusion about things that were already clarified in the thread at the point this post was made. The 'Posting within what I expected' part was asked by Trfel and I did clarify what I meant. 'Self-demeaning tone about his performance' is something very obvious if you read the post if you read the post I was talking about which he mentions his chances of finding mafia. The reasoning to me sound extremely contrieved, trying to blend in with thread sentiment while appearing to be putting in an effort. I don't like this post at all. | ||
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On December 11 2023 12:48 sandroba wrote: Ah, also palmar likely town now and this.. I don't believe sandroba doesn't know Palmar is voting for Vivax already at this point. This post however gives the illusion of that. | ||
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On December 12 2023 23:02 marvellosity wrote: Like what I remember of Hf is that he makes big, long, convincing cases and towns find it really hard to argue with him over the long haul. He pushes the mafia agenda and it’s really hard to stop because he’s convincing. Either Hf is mafia and is ecstatic about how the game is going and therefore not pushing anything very hard, or maybe he’s town and just bumbling along like i was trying to do before people kept telling me I was mafia. I am gonna leave it for now and at least catch up for the rest of D1. But still, he voted for me. The thread was something like 5 pages long. I know people miss posts, people misread things. But for me i find it very hard to believe HF "missed" something he surely had read by his own words (he had read further into the thread), and it's not even a misread by any chance. It was straight out "you didn't pose a question to sandroba". Again, emphasis on at that time from what he had read, he voted for me! HF is busy, i get it, everyone is busy because we're getting old and have other stuff in life too. But it's not a question being busy here, because if HF is mafia he is still busy and won't write big cases (of trash) and then argue his way out of it. Anyways the point is, if both Trfel and sandroba voted for Vivax based on quoting some stuff in wrong order, i find it suspicious they don't recognize what i said about HF during D1 -- or even care to investigate. | ||
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On December 12 2023 23:21 marvellosity wrote: It’s quite a bold move to drop a vote on you like that right? If it’s done on false pretences like you are claiming, what’s the goal? As Hf can’t possibly gain any traction with it (and indeed didn’t ) If sandro is mafia then sandro is just looking for a vote and what you’re talking about makes it more likely sandro (and maybe Trfel) are mafia because they need to save sandro’s skin and probably going for Hf wasn’t the way to do that (and that tracks regardless of HF’s alignment) You realize HF has done that in many games before? It's mostly not to get me lynched, but to throw me off my game, as people won't follow me anyways. I mean like it's 100% clear he should have seen my post, he claims he didn't (for one reason or another), and absolutely noone even sees that aside from me.... | ||
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On December 12 2023 23:28 marvellosity wrote: Is this the thrust of your argument rayn? If there’s more to it, can you concisely add to it here? After that HF said he hadn't read the whole thread so what i said there is basically moot, aside from the fact that before he voted he had read until Palmar's first post in the game. However, we continue the discussion, and we come to the point where i tell him something i called sandroba out. He responds with this: "At the time I read (this morning) you had not called sandro out. When I voted, you barely called sandro out and you came up with some hipster reason that you didn't even disclose." I told him that: "Can you really not read between the lines that much, that when i was playing in the morning, the only question i posed to anyone is someone i might find some suspicious about?" (that was towards sandroba) he responded with: " tbh the last time I read rayn hadn't actually defended sandro or questioned him at that point" Now me posing a question to sandroba happened before Palmar had posted anything in this game at all. So it's simply impossible HF hasn't read my question, if he actually read whatever he said he read before voting. I would not even care about this that much, but the fact that he voted(!!!), should imply he actually finds me suspicious for whatever reason, yet he hasn't even apparently read my almost only serious post in the game.. | ||
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On December 12 2023 03:26 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Vivax The vote on palmar kinda did it for me. Claiming that was tje first vote on mafia. Just silly and mafia Vivax is silly balls to the wall. This is probably the worst reasoning to vote for Vivax tbh at the moment. | ||
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On December 12 2023 10:08 die_meatbaby wrote: Tbh this last 3-4 posts from Vivax looks like a Townie who trys to stay alive, but just the rest from his Filter looks still worse then anyone else here. Also We are 9 vs 3 One miss lynch+ the night kill will leave us 6 vs 3. I really hope we don't fuck up with the lynch. Do you have a vigilante? | ||
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On December 13 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote: No, actually when I was mafia with him he did make a lot of nonsensical, silly posts. It was a good distraction technique. He even talked about it in the maf discord Okay then we just have a quite different view of how Vivax plays (granted, i didn't figure him out last game and probably couldn't have), although i heard most of his play was to throw me off, dunno how accurate that is. | ||
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On December 13 2023 00:08 Holyflare wrote: Sandro => Chez => Trfel => You => DP => DMB Is marv town because sandroba is mafia, or? What happens if sandroba magically flips town? | ||
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On December 13 2023 00:23 Holyflare wrote: rayn why do you think I couldn't make that mistake as town that is skim reading the game? because you voted. if you just called me mafia i would be okay with your explanation tbh. but you voted for me to get lynched. | ||
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On December 13 2023 00:27 Holyflare wrote: Can you point me to a recent town game where I have not put a naked vote on someone and then followed it up in the way that I did here? Guarantee you can't. I don't really care, because i know you lied (knowingly or not) about the premises of the vote. And i know that for sure. Even if you were just lazy and didn't think, it doesn't change much for me, because it still just shows you voted for someone without actually reading their posts properly, and the game was just like 5 pages long or something, and you are not stupid however busy you are. But it's okay, noone is following my line of thought anyways. You cannot convince me i think this is scummy for you, but i am not gonna yell it over and over again. Idk what (else) you have done, what should make me think you're town. But this discussion, especially with you is pointless. If you want to talk about something else, i am up to it. | ||
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On December 13 2023 00:35 Holyflare wrote: No, marv is low investment but high co-opperativeness. I don't think he's pushing down routes that are inherently bad and, sure, given I think Sandro is mafia he's a bit up there because of it but it's the things that he wouldn't have to do as mafia that he's doing here that make him seem better to me. Trying to get you to explain your posts about me better, trying to get me to explain the posts about sandro more. Collaboration is the key to success. It's not a strong point and perhaps marv might be in place of DMB but I haven't done much reading of DMB other than skimming the night. Definitely think he's above sandro, chez, trfel and probably you at the very least. On page 36 you had marv on your mafia list for quite the opposite reasons. what has changed? | ||
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On December 13 2023 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are town whay does it make marv more town for him to trying to get town!rayn to explain his point on town!HF better? same applies to if sandroba would also be town? | ||
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On December 11 2023 21:20 Holyflare wrote: Slam Palmar Koshi DarthPunk die_meatbaby Trfel Raynpelikoneet All of the above have some kind of reasonable series of posts that give them plausible deniability from being mafia, or at least that I think have posted things that I can see as even townie. Some of them even at multiple points (slam, DP etc). It leaves me with: marvellosity Vivax Chezinu Sandroba Sure, there's the chance that you're the town in this 4, and it's actually quite a high possibility(!) but I haven't seen the things comparatively that the other players above have given to cross you off the list. Which is crazy considering koshi and slam are in it. Vivax's posts are boring, he also has no proper engagement. Sandro similarly, more concerned with trying to look ok than solve the game. Chezinu is whatever, religious nonsense. On December 11 2023 21:14 Holyflare wrote: I like your posts, more so because they defended me and seemed reasonable but it's undeniable that you seem low effort and it's also undeniable that you tried to prescribe intent to DP's case by saying he was lying about you, when it wasn't the case. In a world where I'm starting to see more townie actiosn from people, you fall lower and lower down the totem pole because of it. | ||
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On December 13 2023 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I ended up with list of: Holyflare Chezinu sandroba Trfel Koshi in no particular order atm. Everyone else i think is more or less town. tbh i don't think there is 3 mafia there. Maybe somehow if exactly Koshi and Chezinu are mafia. | ||
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On December 13 2023 00:56 Holyflare wrote: Given the fact that I listed several things after that original post and that his collaboration has undeniably become larger over the course of the game AND he was trying to divert to someone I think is mafia, then yes, they are townie actions that lead to me town reading him more. I get the sandroba thing, and i think it's reasonable. | ||
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On December 13 2023 00:58 marvellosity wrote: to be fair, rayn, I think the view you are talking about is how Vivax has always played mafia. But he changed it up for the better in our game(s) earlier in the year. Maybe, but i also think i have figured out Vivax' alignment every game i have been town in come eod1, aside from last game. | ||
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On December 13 2023 01:07 marvellosity wrote: Kinda yeah. He’s absolutely capable of shitting towniness though, so let’s see if that happens I thought he was able to "shit towniness" as mafia as well, until he gave up. It was not a bad case on DP last game. | ||
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On December 12 2023 18:34 Palmar wrote: HF, Sandroba and maybe marv are scumreads. some of today has made me think marv maybe a little less scummy so the other two are the ones I wanna murder I think Then we have slam and chez talk to me about this | ||
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On December 13 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote: As much as I want sandro to die, I’m really wary of making connections before he flips. I understand that, i am also. | ||
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On December 13 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote: There are some moments where DP is in the thread at a similar time to me and is saying or thinking things that come out quickly that I think come from a townie thinking about he game. Of course maybe he can fake this, but if he is faking it he’s doing an excellent job I think. Hope that makes sense. I am a sucker for his stuff because he actually listens to me aside from almost everyone else, how annoying might i be. I don't like he didn't really even try about the stuff on HF (regardless of if i am right or wrong). | ||
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On December 13 2023 01:58 marvellosity wrote: He caught Copcake hands down and no one listened. + Show Spoiler + I will send you a PM about this after the game. It's why we decided to not play in a same game again. | ||
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On December 13 2023 02:07 marvellosity wrote: I think mafia are almost forced to mason a ‘marquee’ player in that spot If i was mafia and got mason i would just not use it. | ||
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On December 13 2023 02:09 Holyflare wrote: I don't think a mafia slam outs it in the same way though possibly? Not sure what a mafia slam would do tbh but I remember thinking it was a townie way to out it at least. yes | ||
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On December 13 2023 03:10 Koshi wrote: he just says things and hopes nobody notices it doesnt make sense see the thing was vivax said things and niticed it doesnt make sense, said it in the same post. | ||
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On December 13 2023 03:13 Koshi wrote: Our list are close to each other and we both have each other on it. It's good that you want to lynch me because some people are backtracking on that. I need to play even worse tomorrow. If you are willing to lynch into anything on that list i am good with you. | ||
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On December 13 2023 03:15 Koshi wrote: What? I mean that it doesnt make sense in a game solving way. Like really. No votes on mafia at that point? So he townread all those names? Aside from sandroba, but he willingly contradicted himself already on that. | ||
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On December 13 2023 03:10 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I was looking for a reason to switch off marv and filtered both dmb and vivax because those were my potential teammates with hf and marv. dude? | ||
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On December 13 2023 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: If HF is in fact town that shit looks terrible you know? to Koshi | ||
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On December 13 2023 03:36 Alakaslam wrote: I almost did chez as it is, but this is true. what do you mean? | ||
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On December 13 2023 03:39 Alakaslam wrote: I should have masoned Marv. you should have. or me. | ||
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On December 12 2023 18:15 Palmar wrote: Some other random thoughts. HF slides a little towards scummy Still think DMB is more likely to be town There is a world where we need to attack Koshi and HF just to get them to do something. Shooting Chez is a good idea if we have a vigilante. He's never going to reveal his alignment through analysis. Checking into the less useful good players (marv, rayn, HF) Another thing, I think this list is important. From most to least influential day 1 town play (disregarding some of the bits I haven't caught up on from last night): Palmar DP Trfel Marv Koshi DMB Rayn Sandroba HF Slam Chezinu Aside from the trolls (bottom 2) I think it's somewhat important to think about how much people actually tried to get shit done on day 1. This is not a "bottom mafia, top town" list, but rather an indicator on how much I think people tried to get their vision of the game done in the game on day 1. Mafia likes to not be the initiating factor in town, but rather just follow along. what?? "This is not a "bottom mafia, top town" list, but rather" some random bullshit.. | ||
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On December 13 2023 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is Palmar top 1 contributor in his list when Palmar just lead a mislynch and DP top 2 was probably on mafia sandroba? Okay maybe yeah, as he got his lynch done anyways. | ||
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On December 13 2023 03:13 Koshi wrote: Our list are close to each other and we both have each other on it. It's good that you want to lynch me because some people are backtracking on that. I need to play even worse tomorrow. Excluding each other, what do we agree on? | ||
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On December 13 2023 06:02 Koshi wrote: I didnt like the way you went off Vivax. Thought it could use more reasoning than the x filter page argument. What do you mean by this? | ||
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On December 13 2023 06:11 Koshi wrote: First of all. Ibdid like very short filter rereads and I dont remember what I thought. But that being said. I found his filter good enough to not lynch him tomorrow. And as I believe that mafia sits in his poe of 4+2 the only doubt I should have if his list is too good once the first reds fall. Or I should see if he tries to push the direction of the thread away from the reds in the list. I assume he ended up on Vivax so could be smart mafia. But could also be smart town. And I like the smart town idea more atm. Who does HF think is mafia in his 4+2 poe? | ||
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On December 13 2023 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv, it was marv. about 36 hours ago. your read on holyflare is based on a list post he made 36 hours ago? okay i am just going to wait for DP. pretty sure you have called him mafia after that but i am actually once in my life too annoyed to check atm... | ||
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December 11 2023 03:10 MSK - Koshi calls HF clear mafia. December 11 2023 15:20 MSK - HF list post why Koshi calls him town. | ||
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On December 12 2023 16:48 Koshi wrote: I read rayn and Tfrel just after posting that and rayn is still fine. I was less happy with his change from Vivax to Sandrobe. I wondered for a second if he would change just base on filter size. Tfrel was harder to read but I still believe he is posting to keep the flow in the thread. If that falls away in the future I will reconsider. I am not sure Koshi, do you realise i never voted for Vivax? It makes more sense what you're saying now. | ||
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On December 13 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: So do you think mafia is in: Rayn Tfrel sandroba Chez marv ? right now? I am pretty sure there is never more than 2 mafia there, if that. | ||
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On December 13 2023 06:59 Palmar wrote: No one got more shit done on day 1 than me. Doesn't really matter if I'm right or wrong. Yeah, true. Why Trfel top 3? | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:04 DarthPunk wrote: Im guessing it's because he is being reasonable? Marv also said not that long ago that HF could easily be mafia in this spot so its not a very strong position at least. If we take the following group: Koshi HF DP Palmar Rayn Marv im thinking that holy flare is probably the most likely out of those to be mafia at this stage. sorry, i will get back to you in an hour or so, i tried to play for a long time and noone wanted to actually play. Got sauna heated up now so ttyl. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:06 marvellosity wrote: I do agree with Palmar here, rayn. I don’t understand what you’re getting at. If Palmar is somehow mafia, it’s not because he made a contribution list People who work hard in a mafia game or anything in normal work environment don't need to boost their ego with what they have done and especially how other people have done less than they have. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:16 DarthPunk wrote: Palmar trying to tilt rayn is like the scummiest thing he has done so far. Is that alignment indicative for palmar in your opinion marv? I am not buying, don't be afraid. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:27 Palmar wrote: Dude I'm shit as mafia lol maybe youre shit as town as well then, if youre hard to catch. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:38 marvellosity wrote: He’s easy to catch as mafia, but not because he’s shit at town so we cant catch him because he is easy to catch if mafia? | ||
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I dont like his N1 post that is not reads but something else that doesnt even make any sense. That's why i dont like Palmar. Not 100% sure he is mafia, but i dont like him for those things, the seem like town!Palmar should not post those things. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:41 DarthPunk wrote: What are we entertaining? Palmar as mafia? i am, because i cant find a reasonable team of 3. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:42 sandroba wrote: dmb also looks bad why is that? | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:45 marvellosity wrote: Christ I can. On that note I’m going to bed. can you give me a nice team of 3 then, because i cannot come up with one? | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:49 DarthPunk wrote: Trfel - Sandro - Chez Trfel - Chez - HF Sandro -Chez - HF Trfel - Chez - Koshi Trfel - Sandro - Koshi Probably there is a mafia somewhere looking town, but off the top of my head, I think all the above are reasonable in some way. Why not HF and Koshi mafia together? | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:51 DarthPunk wrote: FWIW I think chez would be more engaged if slam was on his team. probably true if chez is mafia. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:59 DarthPunk wrote: I’m more pointing it out for people like Palmar who have yet to draw that conclusion yeah dont do that, doesnt help. | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:22 Holyflare wrote: I already said I'm shooting sandro and I'm hard claiming this now. if i am anything i am on you. | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:19 DarthPunk wrote: I have town reads but I want Koshi to post his reads first/ so? | ||
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What's the point? He is confirmed one way or another after night falls. | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:40 DarthPunk wrote: I don't know why he thinks you are mafia, but he could just be better at reading you, In my mind you are a strong player as either alignment so maybe I am not giving your scum game enough credit here. I don't like this. I know i sometimes don't like your stuff but this is really like i dont like this. It looks like mafia. | ||
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I can tell you something now that i have figured out. Why i find you scummy at times in games is you try to do too much stuff. Idk if you do that as mafia as well, but definitely you do that as town. Look at the votes this game D1, you are on every reasonable wagon. How am i supposed to discern if youre town or mafia? If you like that, it's fine, you have even had good results with this thing as i guess either alignment. It's just that.. i don't like that i go to bed at 12am and 3am DP has changed the lynch to something he wanted to, every single game. | ||
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But usually this happens STILL in Grack games, when Euros are sleeping. | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:01 DarthPunk wrote: It's my way of doing what Koshi is trying to do, balance my town and mafia play why do you do this? | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:02 Holyflare wrote: why do people make their town games shit so their mafia games are better just play better as both Okay i love you more, but i did anyways <3 | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:01 DarthPunk wrote: It's my way of doing what Koshi is trying to do, balance my town and mafia play, while still posting and being engaged. It also helps me find mafia, cause mafia are slow to react to changes in the thread. It's not a coincidence that Marv, HF, You all really strong players, all have trouble reading me. I know that people will try and justify shit play as some kind of strat post hoc, but I genuinely try to encapsulate an element of chaos into my play, for a lot of different reasons, I even make cases I don't believe in or which serve an agenda as town to get a reaction, motivate people who are lazy, or just, see what happens. It's planned and intentional, my only regret is if it makes the game unenjoyable to play for others. If your commitment though, is like 10x than anyone else combined, it will fail, or you'll be basically playing by yourself. I face a lot of shit when i am "not engaging", then i look like "dude i have 15% of all the posts", but if it is i am supposed to have 30% who cares? :D Don't worry, you're just fine as you are, let's see if you're mafia or if i am or who the fuck is, okay? | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:13 DarthPunk wrote: I have to deal with a moderately increased level of suspicion throughout the game, that ends up helping me generate reads. Actually this is the most i like as town. | ||
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sandroba is mafia though Koshi is prolly town tbh, i am just so sad. trfel trfel... can trfel be mafia with sandroba? | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:16 Alakaslam wrote: Chezinu and I have been largely silent... booooohooo, where is chezinu unizhec? | ||
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I dont. We have to discuss that tomorrow thugh. I gotta sleep. gn | ||
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On page 84 Trfel has just read my filter apparently, and is claiming i hvae voted for Vivax. | ||
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On December 14 2023 21:35 Trfel wrote: What is the mafia motivation for sandroba being resistant to dicsussing things other than myself? Genuine question. are you stupid? | ||
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On December 15 2023 02:08 Trfel wrote: Yes? If you are town it gives the least amount of information out. | ||
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On December 15 2023 02:21 Koshi wrote: If Chezinu is mafia I am going to note down that rayn came in very angry after the wagons on tfrel and sandroba broke up. what? :O | ||
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On December 15 2023 02:29 Koshi wrote: 2 cases why tfrel is town. (Or town and mafia in HF case) I think chezinu is mafia I think sandroba is mafia I think HF is mafia there is 3 reasons | ||
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On December 15 2023 02:31 Koshi wrote: So no townie!rayn recap on what happened last ~20 pages? Just whine about tfrel and Koshi thinking you voted Vivax. yes | ||
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Yeah but you blame me for other stuff that's not true. I was not angry, at all. The wagons on Trfel and sandroba didn't break, only the one on Trfel did. Sure if you claim i am mafia with sandroba then yes i could technically be angry by your logic. | ||
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On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote: I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it. Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game. I heavily dislike this post and i want HF to put a vote on Chezinu no matter his alignment. Chezinu is genuinely scummy, i tried to get into conversation with him about if he actually believes Trfel is blue or red. It didn't happen. He just kept repeating the same stuff. | ||
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On December 15 2023 03:12 Holyflare wrote: Vote me I dare you. Coward. It would save your scumbuddy so no thanks. | ||
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It's okay though, means i don't have to play then, your fault. Gonna write about who i think is mafia later. Good job Slam until you started getting cold feet. ^^ | ||
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On December 15 2023 21:34 marvellosity wrote: I really am sorry if I ruined anything by my emotional reaction to stuff in last 18h. It's fine and understandable. You probably didn't. I am also not giving up. | ||
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So i guess it's time to look through all the people who are telling i am mafia because i voted for Chezinu, or whatever i did during D2. There is mafia there and there is probably 2 mafia in there. That means i don't care about Slam, Trfel, DMB. | ||
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I am just very conflicted on what to think of him, it doesn't make much sense to me either way. Like i enabled him to survive and we lynched mafia roleblocker in process and i am his top scumread? Really? | ||
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On December 15 2023 01:03 Koshi wrote: I can't believe slam is mafia. Chez is liability. Sandroba/Chez still possible. Sandroba is posting so extra day isnt that bad. After i vote for Chezinu, his expression is this: On December 15 2023 02:21 Koshi wrote: If Chezinu is mafia I am going to note down that rayn came in very angry after the wagons on tfrel and sandroba broke up. So like Koshi here supposedly thinks that afte the wagon on Trfel (NOT ON TRFEL AND SANDROBA!!!) broke, i came in angry, and voted for my OTHER scumbuddy???? That doesn't make any sense at all. Also there was no implication in any of my posts i was even angry, as i was not. Continuing, On December 15 2023 02:38 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I like this Chez lynch. Slam is going berserk so if chez is town that is already worth it. But Sandroba is fighting real hard and I simply dont know if he is mafia. Marv is depressed so maybe that is his mind coming to terms with that he is wrong. If Chez is mafia. We have another exciting day. Because it opens up Palmar mafia and dmb bad town. But I still think Palmar town over rayn town. So here we are. Why does it open up Palmar being mafia and DMB town? Note that again when now, it actually can happen he thinks lynching chezinu is good, sandroba is maybe not mafia anymore -- but rayn is mafia because rayn switched the momentum of the lynch from (town)sandroba, to (mafia)Chezinu. It makes no sense. After this he goes straight back to telling me to vote with the "town circle" and against sandroba: On December 15 2023 03:17 Koshi wrote: Man. Voting against town circle is so anoying. rayn. If you believe marv has any chance on being mafia, tell me. If not. Can you vote his wagon or at least tell him why you arent? Dafuq is this. ........... But he is supposed to think Chezinu is mafia and sandroba is ???? at this point, why am i supposed to vote for unknown over mafia? And then into just blindly following marv (who scumreads sandroba) onto Chezinu. I mean like i was voting for his scumread and MY scumread, marv just followed HIS (marv's) scumread to vote on someone else, and Koshi even claims the reasoning is invalid (sandroba's post not disgusting). And again, Palmar sees nothing wrong here. Palmar loves everything about Koshi. Let's remember that too, because i don't understand any of this logically and i think Koshi is mafia. | ||
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On December 15 2023 22:47 Palmar wrote: Talk about me rayn youre probably mafia or very stupid. | ||
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These? On December 14 2023 02:51 Holyflare wrote: Trfel + Show Spoiler [posts] + #72 - This is the beginning of when trfel didn't like sandro. I think the highlighted part of sandro's post is extremely waffley and bad so like that he's picking it out to pre-empt what he's about to say and get a response to it. ++ #74 - Sandro responds and to me, it looks like he should be town reading slam in #73 but somehow in his original conclusion he downplays the town read. Trfel picks up on this in this post and his next post (#75), indicating that Sandro makes absolutely no read on slam whatsoever even though he writes a lot of lines about him so it's just kind of pointless. ++ There's a bunch of questions thrown out in the next few posts and at least he follows up a bit with sandro. Not sure I like that in #118 he just kinda fobs sandro's response off but I like that he expands what he's thinking to DP. Sandro's post is riddled with open-ended unsureness that didn't seem to have a purpose. I like even more that he tries to question Slam over Slam thinking that all the reactions were overblow and it could just be mafia/mafia theatre. I'm not sure I like that Slam post even (will investigate) but Trfel does a good job of trying to dig into someone that looks like they have a thought process incongruent with theirs. ++ #120 Oh, he basically says exactly what I said above and takes back the town read. Pretty good imo. ++ Same kinda vibe with questioning DP in #124 Next few posts are just a bit of back and forth with marv interjecting and talking to DP about the sureity of his sandro read and it not being very sure. I think #136 the ending feels a bit robotic "I'm very interested to see how he follows it up" is just so generic. I also think #143 is also extremely generic in a way that the post is too formulaicly worded. Like he's just going through the motions of scum reading sandro and waiting for the next step of his programming to happen without interjecting real thoughts. -- Actually kind of like the highlighted bits being pointed out in #146, they don't really make any sense to me (DP saying that mafia likes to take strong commitments early ???). I actually hate DP in these interactions lol, good thing I didn't pay enough attention to them. ++ trfel The next few posts in #156, #157, #159 are all good responses to DP making wtf accusations and then a weird unvote. I like that Trfel wanted it followed up. Gonna stop linking to posts now, cba. #167 is a good question to vivax. Not sure exactly what vivax was going to achieve with his sandro question and it shows trfel is still interested in interactions in and around sandro. #169 is basically a scum read on DP without actually saying as much. I'm not sure why he stops short of outright calling DP mafia. Don't really like it. I guess you could say he doesn't really make a conclusion on sandro too although you could argue that's just a feeler content creation case with more poignant accusations. Don't like this post regardless --- #257 Quite like the initial points on Vivax that trfel talks about but the second half of it seems like something extra tacked on for no reason. If he doesn't know what to make of the order or if it's alignment indicative why does it matter? Feels like adding words for the sake of it and a bit hypocritical in the same respect as his accusation to sandro earlier. -- #262 Think sandro mentioned this in one of his recent posts but I also don't like that he callously threw out the vivax suspicion beforehand, found out it wasn't actually true and then still used it to almost double down on ANOTHER meaningless reason to not like what vivax said. Vivax could have quite easily caught up by skimming and then gone back to poke at questions so seems pretty mediocre. --- As a caveat to the above, in this post above he mentions that he doesn't like that DP has fallen off after the questioning of him (doesn't bring back up the other DP points he disliked before, at least not yet. Just kinda outs it which is fine imo. Don't hate it.) + He makes some throwaway question to me asking why I think rayn is mafia, has some follow up with rayn about vivax's posts again in #272 as if that line of thought even means something anymore. Meh. At least he acknowledges that in the same post and is just more concerned with Vivax's lack of involvement. #287 Points out that I agree with what Vivax is saying (has a overarching view of most of Vivax's posts/stances). Will await to see the conclusion to what I say before questioning whether this is a good post or not because I'd be extra curious about what I said, given my answer was something crap like "I forgot". #328 tries to get vivax (a scum read) to comment on DP (presumably a scum read but kind of unsaid). Good follow up I guess, shows thinking about the game at least, even if an easy post. + #335 A correct take but not sure I understand why he's more concerned about my "overall picture of play" when I've made like 2 posts. Here is where he mentions that DP is probably asleep and wants my thoughts too. Mmmm. Questionable post imo. -- #388 No reads list but Vivax/DP/Koshi (first mention)/Sandro are in his suspect list. Not sure where Koshi came from or how. fuck me I'm bored of investing myself into playing this game it's tedious af, just gonna summarise the rest lot more back and forth with DP about really silly nitpicking points imo. I don't think trfel's points are that bad that DP fell off after the push on him and did not much (will double check between when DP stopped pushing and went to bed to clarify). I also don't think his point about the marv push was that bad either. Koshi read is phoning it in but fine. Shared sentiment. #428 is a bad post (the one talking about DP sleeping with no other push in the thread). ------ his posts about DP calling sandro basically town are correct and DP's arguments are pretty bad faith voting for vivax is consistent and I don't think #666 is that bad given his posts previously, it's pretty much just a summary of what he's been saying, not a hipster new read thing I also kinda liked that he stopped interacting with the DP scum read, the frustration seemed real and I dunno if he'd be that frustrated as mafia? Although would he perhaps be more accusatory if he was town and thought DP was mafia and then go after him more? Maybe he's getting frustrated because he's being misrepresented and can't really fight back properly as mafia? One to think about more. #805 is a whatever defence of marv. Perhaps unwarranted and feels a bit like his defence of me for little reason. #815 possibly like this post #823 does mafia trfel really make this post to a town vivax if he knows this to be true? I'm not so sure he actually does. tl;dr 1) I think Trfel's opening posts on sandro are decent but the suspicion drops off the face of the earth. I don't like that. 2) His argument with DP is extra pointless from DP's side. I don't think the arguments that Trfel presents calling out DP are that bad other than the sleeping thing obviously which is a bit shit but not specifically what he meant. I need to check the timeline here for when DP stopped pushing Trfel and then went to bed because if it's straight away then Trfel's points are bad. If DP stays in the thread a bit aimlessly doing nothing then Trfel's points hold a lot more merit. 3) I think his Vivax suspicion is fine but he throws in a lot of extrenuous details into it that are basically meaningless and he eventually admits that. He defaults to the same kind of argument that he thinks DP is being mafia for (no thread presence or drive) which is an ok read. I actually liked his initial questioning of Vivax over his questions to Sandroba. It shows that he was interested in people interacting with his original scum read. 4) He kind of throws out some free town reads (or at least pressure appeasing reads) on me and marv out of the blue which I feel like I've seen him do before in a previous game, or at least it tickles my brain saying I have somewhere but I can't really get a feel for why he does it. Just seems out of the blue. 5) His argument with DP I think he was mostly correct on and DP was arguing in bad faith. He gets very frustrated with being misrepresented but it doesn't seem like he cares to go the extra step to call DP mafia here or campaign for him. Instead, he leaves and comes back and decides to ignore DP to stop the back and forth (which is fine) but I think he'd be more vocal about suspicions here on his return. 6) I really think that #823 is a post a mafia trfel probably doesn't make to a vivax that he knows is town? 7) I get the overall impression that Trfel is kinda sticking to scum reads and hasn't had much evolution of them? They seem a bit static, even if it appears he's questioning them. I dunno lol, could genuinely see him being town or mafia. I'd be more inclined to call him town, although I'm fully ready to be burnt by that position. Feel like I've wasted my precious time playing this game now. On December 14 2023 03:15 Holyflare wrote: Actually think this is a bad DMB post, it has all the components of a mafia post: 1) Throw shade at palmar 2) Say the vote on vivax is correct 3) Give a line that shows caution that it might not be the right lynch because he's not doing what he did as mafia last time and is actually doing what DMB did as town one time 4) Find a reason to not leave that wagon anyway and provide no alternatives Trouble is, this is just a post in a vacuum and I think their other posts when vivax looks townie are a lot better. Was anyone there and can talk about the sentiment at the time and if DMB was actually instigating or just following? On December 14 2023 18:58 Holyflare wrote: Rayn post good, koshi one not that great. Although not sure it's correct on rayn, I like the sentiment at least. Went to check the last game I played with rayn on here because I felt like there was some other misunderstanding bs but last time he was mafia with me and pointed out something similar he was way more likely to back down on it there. I suppose you could say he's backed down here but it doesn't feel like it's in the same way. A lot of the posts where he is actually saying something just end up in "maybe yes, maybe no". | ||
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Holyflare has literally just claimed he considers Chezinu is mafia, when the votes actually start flying that way, he goes on full attack mode on me (like "vote me i dare you"), which of the only possible outcome in case i bite is that i actually do vote for him (and that does nothing). Very likely mafia here too. | ||
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On December 15 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote: Let's start with completely removing the idea that you had any positive effect on the Chezinu lynch. I agree that you entered the thread in a pivot moment and voted Chezinu while wildly swinging around you trying to hit anything except Chezinu, going as far as saying the counterwagon Sandroba was mafia as well. Let's not. There should be noone to believe you here. I resisted the Chezinu lynch? hahahahaha. That is just funny. But if that gets me lynched fine. Go tell the people that. You definitely did, telling me to vote with the "town core" over and over again. The reason why Palmar might downgrade marv is because he was the main reason we were sitting on sandroba. I mean, you really need to kill marv here because he knows I wanted to move from Sandroba before he did and tried to talk him into it. I prefer you don't kill me because you know, I am going to get lynched and it would be against your wincon if I got nkilled. Also the fact you just got +20 pages of content and couldn't find anything suspicious on HF is interesting. Not willing to go into that fight again? You genuinely believe i wouldnt have as mafia found reasons for HF or anyone to be mafia and just lynched my roleblocker? You're insane. Or mafia, just probably mafia. Extra: I refreshed and saw your reasoning. See that quote is me telling marv it is time to switch and let Sandroba live another day. Sandroba also didn't get it I think so maybe I wrote it weird. But there are so many moments where I said Sandroba is not my own lynch and I sheeped marv. Extra 2: If you want to lynch me, you got to use the angle that I have no reads and am using marv to hide. That has a better chance to work. But I like that you aren't make this not too convincing so we can still be scumbuddies after you get lynched tomorrow. don't care. | ||
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On December 15 2023 23:07 Koshi wrote: rayn. You can't seriously be thinking HF & I are mafia right? I can think what the fuck ever i want. | ||
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On December 16 2023 00:19 Alakaslam wrote: Only reason I will consider him even possible scum. Csn you explain to me why my vote looks like absolute horrible shit? I would like to hear it from someone i think is town. | ||
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On December 16 2023 00:21 sandroba wrote: Re-reading D2 I don't think there is any world where rayn is not mafia. Koshi called him out for the exact same reasons I saw when re-reading so Koshi probs town. In the position of you being town, can you explain me why i voted for Chezinu instead of you when i did as mafia, and how does that make sense at the time? | ||
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On December 16 2023 00:30 sandroba wrote: Mafia busses all the time, you entered the thread and threw a cop-out vote on Chez while still saying I'm mafia. Never really took a stance on why I'm mafia, just kept the option open. You just avoided all the main topics like me vs trfel vs marv vs palmar, instead is hyper-conscious and about koshi and trfel were wrong about saying you voted on townie Vivax when you wouldn't be as town when people are not even considering you for a lynch. "Mafia busses all the time is not an answer". I could have found all the reasons to just vote for you and not vote for Chezinu, hell i wouldn't even had to have talked about Chezinu at all. I had already voted for you D1, everyone and their mothers believed you were mafia D2. If i had just put a vote on you for whatever reason you would have been lynched 95% of the time since euros were gonna go to bed anyways, and everyone would have been okay with it. I don't care about trfel vs marv vs palmar, the only reason i could care about that is if i wanted to lynch Trfel, which i didn't want to. Why am i not pointing out entirely incorrect observations about me? Those are the things townies in the game realise and ALWAYS comment on, just because you know what you have done and you it ALWAYS sticks out to you, at least it does to me, first. Now i am trying to decide if you are just mafia trying to get away of being lynched since people found another target. For other people it is at least some reasonable to think i am mafia (even if it's not), but for you it should not be pretty much the ONLY thing that comes to your mind after Chezinu flip. | ||
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On December 16 2023 01:05 marvellosity wrote: I want to say this. I find it super hard to believe town-rayn goes after Koshi in this spot. I think Koshi has really cemented himself gosh over last 24-48h. And rayn knows Koshi really well. He should be making the same observation. 95% mafia. yeah right, just look at last game's obs qt. | ||
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On December 15 2023 07:03 Palmar wrote: I'm not sure how to deal with sandroba right now. I'm actually unsure how to deal with the entire game. I don't know who is mafia and it's so much effort to figure it out. I'm still annoyed that sandroba never gave me anything other than Trfel. He didn't talk about rayn hf koshi slam etc at all. I'm also more suspicious of Trfel by the minute but he's probably a weaker one. My list is something like this at the moment dmb marv slam koshi hf trfel chez rayn sandroba The crazy part is, I wouldn't even be surprised if someone told me one of my townreads is mafia. I actually think it's quite likely. I feel a little lost. And the time schedule again is so annoying. I want to believe I would have stopped killing Vivax on day 1 if he had defended himself while I was awake. I could've interrogated him and pushed him and forced him to look town. But everything was disjointed and bad. The chez lynch is an admittance we don't know what we're doing. Sadly maybe that is exactly what we need, stall the game into tomorrow and hope for a better day and maybe a blue miracle or so. This is a very very weird post considering Palmar's position on players all game before this. | ||
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It's understandable, that when i vote for Chezinu, he thinks i am also mafia. But then he is "all lost and doesn't know what to do" when it should be quite clear for him that sandroba and rayn are mafia (he still keeps calling sandroba mafia after voting for Chezinu). Why is he all lost? | ||
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On December 15 2023 09:50 Palmar wrote: My current team is like sandro/rayn and some random dude. Maybe chez? who knows. Like here, see. Everything should be crystal clear for him here, yet he feels lost when mafia just have outed themselves to him. | ||
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On December 15 2023 20:02 Palmar wrote: I still agree with Koshi on everything this game. Still hate his whiny play. I see no reason to pursue him further. This post sucks ass. Even if you think Koshi is town you for sure don't agree with him calling you mafia. | ||
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On December 16 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote: Rayn I’m not ignoring you but I’m out with my other half so can’t give your series of posts the attention they might need No worries, it's not like i need any sort of answer on anything, aside that i kinda wanted from sandroba but he magically disappeared. | ||
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It doesn't make sense, if he has no time to play better (as town or as mafia), why would he play better as mafia? | ||
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"this thing X is SOOO bad for rayn" "but maybe it's correct" "but it's soooo bad, rayn is sooo scum especially how he did it" "but yeah it's correct" "yeah marv voting with his scumread because his scumread asked is also so good, me follow plz" | ||
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On December 16 2023 03:51 Holyflare wrote: Not what I said. I said I know words, phrases and posting styles that are traditionally mafia oriented. If I were not really invested mafia trying to not get too much attention I wouldn't end a big post in a conclusion that ended up almost 50/50 with a town lean because that is obviously a waste of my precious time I'd have to influence the thread or steer it in a direction. You should know what my game style is as mafia and it's most certainly not whatever you're pretending to think it is now. What influence have I had to inject in this game that I needed to? I just have a good time chatting through things with people and point things out occasionally and that's all that's been required of me. You can see the thought processes behind what I'm writing as clear as day. Did you look into why I decided to make a post about trfel? No. Your case is so surface level it's insane. You're not paying attention to my motivations and that's extremely uncharacteristic and uncharitable and I think you're just trying to hammer home any point you can for the sake of it. Think about it from my point of view of sandroba progression, admitting that sandroba is starting to look a lot better, acknowledging points sandro made about trfel finally and reading back DPs filter to determine what he thought because he was also trfel focused. Want to get to the bottom of trfel because he's a key slot that needs solving and coming out with what I said. If you read Trfel's filter what would your conclusion be? If you read through my post what points did I specifically raise that you think should have swayed me further? You look at one line out of hundreds and incorrectly summarise the thought I put in throughout and try and whittle it down to nothingness. That's not town rayn imo. Se all what you are saying here about your Trfel case is fine. But that's not the case you made. You made a case that said idk what Trfel is. If you made this case back then then it would be fine. | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:18 Holyflare wrote: Oh I think I see what you're saying. You should look at the timestamps of Palmar's reply because it is not when you think it is. 2 hours ago is not anything near to when I said I read and it most certainly isn't the beginning of the game or his filter like you're saying it is. This is not an answer to what i said. Or if it is, it's a bad one. After that you started deflecting from the subject. | ||
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On December 16 2023 03:51 Holyflare wrote: You can see the thought processes behind what I'm writing as clear as day. Did you look into why I decided to make a post about trfel? No. Your case is so surface level it's insane. You're not paying attention to my motivations and that's extremely uncharacteristic and uncharitable and I think you're just trying to hammer home any point you can for the sake of it. Think about it from my point of view of sandroba progression, admitting that sandroba is starting to look a lot better, acknowledging points sandro made about trfel finally and reading back DPs filter to determine what he thought because he was also trfel focused. Want to get to the bottom of trfel because he's a key slot that needs solving and coming out with what I said. I can vaguely see the thought process reading your filter p6-7. It's nothing you couldn't have done as mafia, especially if sandroba is town. Also it's still very bleh.. It's still no read into vote because sandroba looks better because of ??? into vote on sandroba because of "trfel wagon looks bad". | ||
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------(1)------------(2)-----> at (1) rayn questions sandroba at (2) Palmar makes his first post Holyflare, you voted for me after that. You were asked for your reasoning. You said one of the reasons was my town read on Palmar. Now this makes it clear you have read until (2). We discuss this further, and it becomes apparent you have not processed anything i have written properly enough to even realise i am at point (1) questioning (with my only relevant post in the game atm) your scumread sandroba. I call you out saying you cannot have thought about my posts properly, because you haven't even read me questioning your scumread sandroba (backed up by your own words). To which you answer "oh i just wanted to get a vote down" and some other shit. But this doesn't make any sense because you already had made a thought process on voting rayn, which you disclosed before. I understand i am not very good at english or not very good at explaining my shit, but this doesn't make any sense. None of the answers make any sense with what actually happened, and what actually should have been the thought process if anything was true. It's annoying people can't even understand this. | ||
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On December 16 2023 04:40 sandroba wrote: Well, you are both hard to pin down as mafia, I'll give you that. Rayn posting here feels towny to me. I'll probably have to resort to reading some old games (which I'm dreading atm) to try to figure out who is capable of what as mafia. If i am mafia i am never ever in this situation right here right now. I'm only in this situation here because i say and do what i think is right, and not what i know town wants to hear. Let that be known. | ||
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On December 16 2023 04:41 Palmar wrote: Rayn talk more about me please. Really get in there and tell me why I’ve been a bad boy. Sorry that was all i have to say for now. | ||
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On December 16 2023 04:42 Holyflare wrote: I've even re-read my filter because I thought I may have adhommed rayn at some point out of frustration and he may have been slighted by it but I haven't and I am actually being gaslit. Nothing but charitable posts trying to point out what he was saying was wrong and then trying to solve the rest of the game only to be ocassionally sniped from the shadows by him again saying stuff about the beginning of the game. Sorry maybe ad hom was bit out of line. I was just angry for when you called me new low. | ||
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I know what it's being called. My point is you should not have been waffling based on your posts before, after an in the same post (lol). | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:18 Holyflare wrote: I believe information and forcing people to do things that is uncharacteristic for them or puts them in positions they don't want to be in is a much better situation. Cool, then you understand maybe 35% of what i was doing D2, and i think i succeeded. | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:25 Holyflare wrote: I did not think about your posts properly, we are in agreement here. See this is why i thought, and one one of the reasons i still think you're mafia. You voted for me, you claimed reasoning for your vote. You didn't read my posts properly. I didn't, and i don't believe you did that as town. | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:26 Holyflare wrote: You think you were baiting me and I think I was baiting you :shrug: I literally made you, sandroba, Koshi and Palmar act super fucking weirdly (and to some extent marv) based on the new information in thread. Now i just have to figure out who is mafia. | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:34 Holyflare wrote: Very well documented that I do in fact do this as town. You also downplayed the whole situation calling me boring and repeating just the same stuff after it was clear noone understood my point which was to me very clear. It works very well if you are mafia, because noone is already interested. But you read me town at the moment, and that was basically a claim to not work with me. It doesn't sit well with me, take it as you will. | ||
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I can't work with you. I don't want to talk about this with you, especially with you. I have already said what i have to say, and i think you're mafia. If you have something else to talk about please do. My reads are not set in stone, and even if they were i am not gonna claim it until the end of night phase. | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:38 Holyflare wrote: This is a quote from our last game we played together btw. You were mafia, I was town. So it's not like I would actually get into a discussion with you any more than I would there. Why are you saying I should have behaved differently? which game is that? | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:39 sandroba wrote: Hey Rayn, are you and Trfel buddies or have some history together? This post here from you seems over-aggressive. not more than with other people i guess? I am asking if he's stupid because "if sandroba is mafia and thinks he's gonna get lynched, why would sandroba talk about anything other than Trfel (which was the only thing he basically talked about)". I am sure you can understand the question... | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:41 Holyflare wrote: Wait which one is it? lol Did you forget to delete one? Oh i CAN work with you lol ^^ | ||
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On December 16 2023 05:41 Holyflare wrote: chezinu streak or something idk when that was I can't find the said post rn, so i can't comment on the said thing and why i said that. It is true though, it's what i think, and i am not lying about something like that as mafia. | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:21 Koshi wrote: Let's say you did come in uninformed in the thread. You didnt realise thet this sandroba lynch was breaking up. can you please tell me how sandroba lynch was breaking up when i came to the thread? | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:26 Koshi wrote: I played bad d1. But your d2 was relative bad. The Chez vote was good. But I still dont get why you did that. Because clearly you had sandroba as mafia as well. So why not sheep marv. Why do i sheep marv? I genuinely read the thread, commented on anything that was not boring. Many people were acting like Chezinu is mafia, but were voting for sandroba. I thought both of them are mafia. I decided to see what happens if i vote for Chezinu (namely what HF does). Everyone starts acting weird (namely you and HF). I decide well if it causes this much shit here, i'm gonna keep my vote here. And your vote on Sandroba d1 is also sus. But also there it might be coincidence I guess. Why is that? | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:36 Holyflare wrote: This is also why I scum read you and think your bait didn't work and why I tried to bait you btw. The vote was very clearly breaking up on sandro and going to chez Okay, explain me how this was the sentiment. | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:34 sandroba wrote: From memory, you voted before marv. But tbh it didn't feel like you had an impact in trying to actually get Chez lynched. You are right, at the time i did vote i didn't. | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:39 Koshi wrote: Unless you think sandroba hf and Koshi are mafia you need to stop thinking and claiming you lynched chez. Because you were vote 3 on sandroba. Making the wagons potentially TvT for the rest of the day. wtf are you talking about? | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:41 Holyflare wrote: If you weren't in the thread you don't understand the vibe it's just easy to tell. Sandro looked so much better after the mason thing that his wagon dying was a foregone conclusion. Thus the question of who is next is in the air. There is not a single consensus scum read or proper push floating around and I've mentioned that I think chez is 100% mafia at some point. Who was going to switch? You were not. Koshi was not (until marv did) Marv was not (until the beating stuff happened, which noone had any idea about at the time) Palmar was not (until everyone else had switched WHO WAS GOING TO SWITCH? Chezinu was going to vote for sandroba 100% of the time. If i had dropped my vote on sandroba, i think 95% of the time sandroba gets lynched instead of Chezinu. | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:48 Holyflare wrote: I probably would have switched at some point tbh just didn't see the need to because I thought it was just going to happen anyway without me and if you hadn't have voted there I may well have been convinced by slam at that point too. Koshi was already mentioning it before you voted. Marv was already thinking sandro looked better before that imo. Palmar is likely mafia so irrelevant. It's not the WHO that's important here, it's the sentiment and what direction you think the thread is going to go. If you think that day ends on sandro getting lynched before slam started the chez stuff I'd think you were wrong. I think you are lying if you are saying you would have switched before anyone else. You made it very clear. Koshi would never switch from his "town core". marv maybe, but no. there is no reason to think marv is going to switch there, unless what happened, happened. Maybe marv can comment on that. Palmar was never gonna switch, and his posts after people already did seem fake as fuck | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote: Rayn is not lying here, major turning point in lynching Chezinu was after I begged marv to move his vote and he did. exactly | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:49 Holyflare wrote: It doesn't have to be towards chezinu it was more importantly towards not sandroba and chezinu is the easiest already mentioned alternative. what does this mean? | ||
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On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote: My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch. you realize i thought you are mafia as well? | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:10 Holyflare wrote: Am I misremembering something? I don't think Rayn's vote was before the marv stuff was it? yes it was. it's also easy to check because i put my votes in the game thread as well. | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:12 sandroba wrote: Yes, I'm not saying you are auto mafia for doing it - just saying the way you did it does not make you auto town, even if there is a plausible narrative here so why are you saying i am mafia then? | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:10 Holyflare wrote: Regardless I don't think sandro gets lynched there either way before that still. You can believe it or not it's my opinion. You have to elaborate on this. Because if i had put my vote on sandroba (5-3), and Chezinu (obviously) votes for sandroba (now let's assume i am mafia and Chezinu is mafia), the vote is (6-3). Maybe you can say that sandroba is not getting lynched, but that doesn't happen without an event that we don't know about, like marv's. Which is why i said i think marv's vote might have solved the game for me. Because this line of arguing is just simply not reasonable. You're basically telling i voted for Chezinu because i knew Chezinu is gonna get lynched before an event that i have no way of knowing of happens. | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:17 sandroba wrote: The reasons I thought you were mafia was due to not commenting on anything relevant D2, coupled with the throw away vote on Chezinu. But I've come around since then based on recent posting tbh. Like after the flip I was like 90% on you, now I'm like 25% Why is it a throw away vote? Also i don't really see why i have to comment on all the shit that's being going on, when it was basically same stuff D1, just different conclusions (on Trfel -- like people decided Trfel is now scummy like in spot of Vivax, nothing else changed pretty much)? | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:25 Holyflare wrote: [...]just when rayn voted and it's extremely obvious chez is going to die and not you imo. wow | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:31 Holyflare wrote: Sandro getting masoned, palmar explaining the mason logs and sandro disputing it and arguing with palmar and marv for pages and then you saying sandro was still mafia with chez and me seemed extremely ludicrous. You should have commented on the mason stuff because that's how the game works, you talk about your opinion on information so we make more informed decisions. I found it really unbelievable you said the team was sandro/hf/chez when I pointed out that chez was like 100% mafia, highlighted the connection about sandro and chez and you made no reference to that and ignored koshi and slam when they mentioned it to you. It seemed heavily like you were bussing the soon to be chez wagon. actually you with sandro and chez didn't make sense to me, which is why i swapped sandra for trfel at the time. now, idk... maybe it should have made sense to me based on what you're saying right now lol. | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:21 Palmar wrote: This is all very exciting | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:37 Holyflare wrote: If this is someone looking like they're going to stay on sandroba then we can end this convo here lol It definitely looked like that after i voted, until marv voted. | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:43 Holyflare wrote: Ya but this convo isn't about that it's about what it looked like when you placed your vote and the mindset of people at the time. Can you see why my thought process is that your vote looks like a bus? Can you see why koshi thinks your vote is weird etc. All very clear to me. I can see that. I can even see it comes from a townie. I just disagree, and i definitely didn't think that at the time. Because i also pay attention to what people do and what they would or wouldn't do, even when i am town. I didn't know what Koshi would do, but i definitely know NOW he wouldn't change, until marv. | ||
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On December 16 2023 07:47 Holyflare wrote: Yeah whether it's true or not is irrelevant to me I don't care about what could have been. I just want the situation to make sense from people's perspectives and discover who had a townie thought process and I think we've reached that. I haven't really come that far, what's yours? | ||
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On December 16 2023 08:29 marvellosity wrote: I’d like to think so. But it’s a hypothetical. All I can say is that it felt right once I did it, despite how much I bitched that lynching Chez d2 was a cop out If i get lynched this game it is going to be your fault, and it's going to be because of this post. | ||
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On December 16 2023 23:33 Palmar wrote: Rayn, I’m not going to read your entire filter because I don’t hate myself. But I did open it and read from the bottom up. I can’t remember if this is something you normally do but you’re spending almost no effort on forming town reads. The best I could find was like “maybe marv is just town” and something like that. Like have you at any point in this game tried to argue that someone is town? Do youthink that's something that makes me mafia? I mean like its probably the easiest thing to do as mafia, call townies town for correct reasons. I also heavily abuse that fact as mafia. I dont care if you do associative reads or not. I find it suspicious that the people who i sm literally the least likely to be mafia with ate the ones you geoup with me being mafia with snd just sit on that. Also i disagree that i had no influence on the game. Its true i have not been as active as usual. But i was a key factor to almost change the lynch from Vivax to sandroba D1, and i also believe i was one of the key votes to lynch Chezinu. | ||
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On December 16 2023 23:19 Palmar wrote: Compare that to koshi who in far less posts made much more (to me) impactful contributions. I also honestly dont believe this. I guess i should read his filter more closely a he is dead, but still. | ||
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On December 17 2023 08:59 Palmar wrote: Again, I don't do associative reads and I don't care what deaf mafia say. I am coming back to this every time because half of the time you say you don't do this and then you make a list post where you are "so much confused", when like all of your other posts are dedicated to why someone is mafia (individually) for reasoning that is supposed to make sense to you. How can both of these things be true? | ||
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On December 17 2023 09:28 Palmar wrote: So... your lynch pool is literally exactly the same as mine except for us 2? We see the game state to be exactly the same thing except you think I could be mafia, and I think you could be. Throw in that marv, who is both very good at this game AND knows me very well is pretty insistent on me being town... If we just make a truce for the moment, who do you think is more likely to flip mafia, HF or sandroba? HF | ||
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marv -- sandroba thing D2, and being on sandroba D1 Trfel -- Chezinu being on his ass all game, not 100% certain here because i know another game where Chezinu bussed exactly Trfel all game, but still very unlikely DMB -- not wanting to lynch Vivax D1, they are partners, Vivax would get her ass lynched if not dead, she contributed towards NOT getting Vivax lynched Slam -- lynched Chezinu D2, until he didn't want to, but i don't think that matter that much | ||
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On December 17 2023 09:33 Palmar wrote: But also, I don't think the mason topics are useful, I said as much on day 1. Why wouldn't I just post in the thread. I'm not entirely sure if it's genuine frustration with my dickery, or if it's just an excuse to scumread me. I entirely agree with this, the whole mason thing is stupid, unless you have confirmed town with a blue in mason chat. | ||
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On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote: Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same. So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. | ||
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On December 17 2023 09:37 Palmar wrote: I did say HF was scummy for townreading me through day 1 and I think into day 2! Very scummy of him to be right about my alignment! I don't think this is a good basis of a scumread. | ||
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On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote: Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same. Also you are right, i don't do tone reads, nor intuition (in case i understand that correctly). Last game i had marv as mafia for his first post because i thought "it was a super weird question", he was mafia. Idk if i was right or wrong. I still try every game to put people into correct slots on alignment based on their behavior only. Maybe i should do more tone reads. | ||
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On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote: As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town. I can agree to 1 and probably to 3 as well. Not so much on 2. Question to you; based on 3, you think i haven't done that? Maybe not in a way you like but like you think i haven't made any major discussions happen for instance? | ||
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On December 17 2023 09:53 Palmar wrote: Yes, you have been involved in a lot of discussions. But I don't think you've often succeeded in convincing people of your point of view. Do you think it makes me mafia? Do you think that's how i play as mafia? | ||
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On December 17 2023 09:54 Palmar wrote: But because you DO do associative reads and think about who could be mafia together. Do you sincerely believe if HF and I are the remaining mafia we have a play here to bus each other and the other one thinks they can somehow last until endgame? If you are the last remaining mafia, what other play you have? And no i am not sure about it, which is why i said i am not sure about it | ||
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Like, i find it very very weird that like the whole game finds my vote (they find unreasonable) on Chezinu "scummy as fuck", when i voted for mafia. I fucking voted to kill the mafia roleblocker. It does not sit well with me, that everyone thinks i am mafia because i voted to kill mafia, just because "rayn didn't reason his vote properly". Do people really think i don't reason my votes (especially on mafia -- bussing) properly?????????? It's fucking insane. | ||
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- I like her first read on Palmar (not readwise), but it doesn't seem like she has a team behind her ("is Palmar always this overconfident or does he just seem to me like a big headed strong player who trys to hide something") - She then voted for Vivax, while still doubting Palmar. Idk why she is trying to convince other people that Palmar is not town. - random comment on favoring a chez lynch (when dp posted something), i dont really see her doing that as mafia knowing chez is mafia - EoD 1 is just fucking townie from her... - I don't really see anything wrong on her play D2 Why do people think she is mafia gain? | ||
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On December 17 2023 10:22 Trfel wrote: I agree, I kinda don't think raynpelikoneet is mafia. I know he's burned me before as mafia though, and there is someone who is sneaking by who I'm not really seeing. My guess was it was either you (Palmar) or raynpelikoneet, I could definitely see that being wrong though since I feel I have more reasons to townread you both than scumread you. Like I could see raynpelikoneet being mafia, it wouldn't really surprise me, but it doesn't make anywhere near as much sense as I would like to have any sort of confidence in it. I need to reread Alakaslam, Holyflare, and sandroba. would like to see who you ACTULLY DO think is mafia, please? | ||
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On December 17 2023 10:31 Trfel wrote: I thought die_meatbaby was mafia due to how she played day 2, her vote on Chezinu screamed bussing to me. She was so focused on her Palmar read but was content to go along with everyone and vote for Chezinu in what felt like an afterthought. right, her vote could be bussing, it didn't really do anything anymore at that point. other than the vote, though... | ||
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On December 17 2023 10:41 Trfel wrote: Honestly I'm just not seeing Palmar as mafia. Like theoretically it could be possible, but I'm not sure if Palmar's play this game is in the range of his scum play (to be fair I don't really know what his scum play range is, I just was under the impression that it wasn't quite on the level of someone like you or Holyflare). I looked through his filter, there were a few things that came up but nothing seriously scummy. One of the main points I had on him ended up having a somewhat plausible explanation. Furthermore, I do believe marvellosity is town and I trust marvellosity's read on Palmar, he said he's going to re-evaluate that over the course of the day but for now that's still a townread. I think perhaps the most likely answer is that one of my assumptions are wrong and that Holyflare or sandroba or Alakaslam is mafia. I have no idea why they would be mafia though, I'm hoping to get through some filter dives sooner or later. So you don't really have a read on Palmar? | ||
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Would that be a good read? Because that's what you basically just said on your read on Palmar. | ||
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On December 17 2023 11:32 Trfel wrote: Die_meatbaby is just mafia? Why? | ||
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On December 17 2023 02:56 Trfel wrote: His vote onto Chezinu. I actually do think it's suspicious, how he voted for Chezinu despite seemingly being more invested in Holyflare and/or sandroba being mafia and talking more about them. Can you also make me a big ass post on this, what you actually think about this, so i can make some sense of this train of thought of yours? | ||
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On December 17 2023 11:48 Trfel wrote: Day 1, she voted for Vivax despite saying very little about Vivax and focusing on Palmar and a few other things. It feels like she didn't really believe Vivax was mafia but just went along with it. D1 end she almost ended up lynching sandroba (votes were 6-6). At the end yeah she didnt really believe Vivax was mafia. What's wrong with her play here on D1? I don't like defending other people but you, jsut like fucking Koshi and HF for instance like to take half of the story and try to make it fit your narrative, it's fucking annoying. I was there, she tried to make sandroba lynch instead of Vivax, anything else you claim is wrong. Day 2, most incriminating imo, she voted for Chezinu despite focusing on Palmar all day. Her read progressions/view of the game doesn't line up with being content to lynch Chezinu, to me anyway. It feels like a bus. She could be bussing D2, i can see that. | ||
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It's fucked up, i hope you are not town Palmar, because i if you are i think we might be losing this game because i try really hard but i can't get over this shit of yours in this game here right now. A lot of people do this shit, but like... you should be good enough not to. Koshi yes, Trfel, maybe. I just fucking don't know i am a bit drunk and i want to lynch Palmar but on the other hand i don't.. | ||
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On December 17 2023 12:04 Trfel wrote: I am in bed and don't really want to get up and go to my computer and pull up a bunch of quotes but I suppose I can if necessary. Honestly it is just the impression I got though. You spent more time talking about and pushing Holyflare and sandroba, then seemed content to lynch Chezinu and mostly talked about him after the wagon got going. This partially has a plausible explanation in that it's kinda hard to discuss Chezinu a ton. Holyflare was kinda similar for example (being okay with Chezinu's lynch but not passionate about it, and focusing on other things) but he said he would have preferred a different lynch for more information. You didn't have a reason like that. Like it isn't unreasonable to see that coming from a town perspective, it makes enough sense. But I do think it was natural for this to happen as mafia too, like it makes sense for mafia to act that way. I don't think you are mafia, I'm kinda grasping at straws and don't know who is mafia though Bleh.Explain the bolded part to me. | ||
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On December 17 2023 12:04 Trfel wrote: You spent more time talking about and pushing Holyflare and sandroba, then seemed content to lynch Chezinu and mostly talked about him after the wagon got going. Explain how the fuck you get from my filter on D2? | ||
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No more, how the fuck do you explain that train of thought from yours Trfel. | ||
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On December 17 2023 12:26 Trfel wrote: 1245 on Chezinu 1392 on Palmar 1471 on Holyflare and moreso on sandroba 1944 on Chezinu, Holyflare, and sandroba I think the point on Holyflare came from how you were sticking with the misreading/not reading thing from early on. I think I attributed more passion to this than maybe was appropriate. Regardless, you did discuss Holyflare and sandroba and reasons to be suspicious of them more than you did Chezinu. I already said that since posting I realized that one plausible explanation for this is that discussing Chezinu is difficult, there isn't a ton to say. I don't know why this did not occur to me earlier. You really think posts on chezinu, palmar, sandroba or holyflare from me during N1 have any relevance on how i perceive D2 end?? You are right, if i get to choose, i would choose to lynch HF D2, hands down. I didn't get to choose though. So i did what i did. Why are you trying to make my posting look like something it is not? | ||
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On December 17 2023 12:26 Trfel wrote: I think the point on Holyflare came from how you were sticking with the misreading/not reading thing from early on. I think I attributed more passion to this than maybe was appropriate. Regardless, you did discuss Holyflare and sandroba and reasons to be suspicious of them more than you did Chezinu. Is your point that i as mafia, did scumread HF and sandroba, and then i just fuck off and vote my scumbuddy chezinu, while having more suspicions on sandroba and holyflare? Is that what you are saying right now? | ||
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i don't care that much tbh anymore. almost all the people in this game have said i am mafia, for reasons i can't even understand tbh. it's annoying, i can defend myself as town or as mafia if i know what i am defending against, i don't know that now. so have your fun, whoever is scum, i might care by the end of the day, right now i dont care any fucks you fuckers. | ||
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Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia. | ||
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On December 19 2023 01:37 sandroba wrote: Rayn, why did you agree with Palmar's town read on Trfel at that point? Because i thought Trfel is town? What are you trying to imply? | ||
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On December 19 2023 01:42 marvellosity wrote: I mean, mine. Koshi and Palmar basically followed me off sand so that’s a huge swing. Not trying to claim any cred for this btw. I think sand/hf supporting the lynch probably helped outside of votes. Do you genuinely think, in case i voted for sandroba (which i had all the reasons to do based on D1), not to mention with the "town core" as Koshi put it, Chezinu would have been lynched? Let's assume your thing during there did not happen, or maybe even with it. | ||
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On December 19 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote: Rayn - obviously your Chez vote cannot be held against you. But if I’m extending possible suspicion to people on the Chez wagon in good time (eg Trfel) then I can hardly say it looks good for you either. I trust you see what I mean here Well for some reason most of the game is holding it against me, while i would never put my vote there in case i am mafia (even if i was mafia with sandroba). I have to say though i really didn't have that much of preference there, so i kinda see in that sense. Sure i thought Chezinu is mafia, but witouth further investigation at the time i put my vote there because HF who i thought is mafia was kinda white knighting Chezinu while saying the complete opposite. I wanted to see what happens, then Koshi started to shit on me on the vote, same with HF. I also had reservations with Koshi, it didn't help he was like 1000000% against my vote, but when you voted (when it should make even less sense for him), he just started being a good sheepyboi. So yeah, i thought fuck it, this has to be the correct play. I guess you could say i made the right decision based on wrong information lol | ||
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On December 19 2023 01:56 sandroba wrote: Rayn you are hinging on this Chezinu vote thing way too much and it doesn't look good to me. I am hinging on it because i think i was a meaningful asset in lynching Chezinu and i want to know why other people don't understand it, or see it differently. Especially you, since you were the counter-wagon of Chezinu lynch D2. | ||
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On December 18 2023 23:36 sandroba wrote: Rayn only shows up when he is being talked about to try to diffuse suspicion off of him. He doesn't pursue his scum reads, and is very tame not to antagonize players in the thread too much, all of which are mafia-favored behaviors. You do realise this is absolute horse shit? Go read any of my mafia games i have ever played. | ||
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On December 19 2023 02:00 marvellosity wrote: * the townie thing to do is be suspicious of Palmar. I realise I am sort of shading myself here with this logic too. I have never thought about that on Trfel to be honest. I thought about it on you, but then no, it doesn't make sense. D1 -> D2 is way too irrational and "too wrong" mafia play from you if that would be the case. | ||
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On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote: He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel The game you are referencing here Trfel was a no show until very end of D1. | ||
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What? The game sandroba quoted was a game where Trfel didn't appear until very end of D1, posting basically nothing. I don't think it's a good reference to anyone's scumgame in general. | ||
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On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote: I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game So if Trfel is mafia with Palmar it's nothing similar at all? | ||
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On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia. So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia? | ||
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On December 19 2023 02:44 marvellosity wrote: Even if I’m hilariously wrong on Palmar, one of you is still mafia, right? yeah, unless it's slam, but it's not slam. | ||
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On December 19 2023 02:45 marvellosity wrote: Fine. But you can understand why my focus is where it’s been this phase. Of course, i haven't given a single thought of you being mafia after you let got of sandroba to vote for chezinu and the day ended. I am not sure why anyone else is considering you mafia after that. | ||
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On December 19 2023 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is your read on sandroba still based on his filter size and the D2 happenings? marv? | ||
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I don't think he was trying to get a lynch on DMB on D3 and after i voted for HF (which should be quite obvious deduction on where i am putting my vote based on earlier interactions), i don't think he tried to make the lynch go another way. I don't like he didn't try to do anything on Trfel's vote after Trfel voted HF after me. But when the phase changed and HF flipped town everyone is fucking shit and the giving shit starts to happen. Except that it doesn't happen towards Trfel. Why doesn't Trfel's vote on HF matter, it's the worst vote in sandrobas mind where HF is town and other candidates (Palmar/DMB) are mafia? And again, none of this happened during the DAY PHASE, it only started happening IMMEDIATELY after the day ended and HF flipped. If he has reservations about HF's alignment, that's fine, but the reaction towards a town lynch should not be like that in the case. If he does not have reservations (that's also fine), those things should be done before flip, and he should have been more keen to actually try to lynch someone else. Like really try,. not just look like it after the lynch. | ||
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I don't think anyone benefits killing Koshi N2 other than sandroba or Palmar. sandroba in a sense that marv is basically conf towned him, Palmar because marv reads Palmar town, and if he is mafia marv will continue to read him as town and defend him as before (if he's not caught already). | ||
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I am not sure if marv has played some spectacular game, i didn't think he played one (sorry) in the one game he wasn't mafia in, which happened this year. He has played a spectacular game in my eyes in case sandroba is mafia, but that's another case. I just think regardless of sandroba's alignment, his D2 behavior compared to D1's, just doesn't come from mafia. It's just self-destructional for mafia, and it doesn't make sense. Palmar not understanding this is bad. | ||
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On December 19 2023 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv doesnt like to play long con as mafia, i would say that's a fact. why lynch chezinu if sandroba is an option there? And his D1 play does not make sense at all in case sandroba and chezinu are both mafia with marv. | ||
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I am sorry if i have been just bad, but this is why slam is mafia if slam is mafia. I don't know if he is, and i still kinda think he is town. | ||
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On December 19 2023 05:20 sandroba wrote: I did get cold feet on palmar due to blue theory and dmb I thought could be mafia and didn't have any better ideas what do you mean by this? | ||
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On December 19 2023 05:29 Palmar wrote: Sandroba not getting into his thick head that literally everything in that qt was trolling is at this point getting suspicious Do you have any other thoughts? | ||
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On December 18 2023 12:34 Trfel wrote: ]I wanted to lynch die_meatbaby but was unable to do so. Tried to make the best of bad options and failed. not sure if i believe this and i am not sure why sandroba believes this. | ||
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On December 19 2023 05:46 marvellosity wrote: Mafia don’t tend to get more and more involved as the game goes on, it’s hard to keep up that level of genuine interest in the game. How does this compute with let's say Palmar? | ||
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On December 19 2023 05:43 sandroba wrote: I don't get it, why is this relevant? I only posted while I was online and then again after I came online again after eod because we all post when we can post. you are accusing me of posting on certain times or not posting on certain times, i have tried to post on time that matter, you throw shit on me for that. and then you don't do anything on the lynch, and appear literally on the deadline to shit on people. what am i supposed to think? | ||
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On December 19 2023 06:06 sandroba wrote: I can possibly buy it being scummy if Palmar is scum, but if only Trfel is scum why doesn't he leave his vote on DMB? Why does he try to make an educated guess here on who is more likely mafia between the options available? Because he is not contributing to the lynch, and that's even worse. I mean if he doesn't make a choice between Palmar/HF, how does that look on him? Do you think he made the choice he should have? | ||
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On December 19 2023 06:11 sandroba wrote: I think he looks worse from swapping onto the townie who is about to get lynched than to leaving his vote on dmb. Unless palmar is mafia, which you could argue he is doing to save palmar so like his vote looks bad in all of the cases? :D | ||
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On December 19 2023 06:14 sandroba wrote: I accused you of mostly trying to placate people when you do post. Saying that I didn't do shit on the lynch is amazing, I think I did the most out of everyone here to figure out the game yesterday with the limited time I did have I don't argue against that sentiment, but if HF and Palmar are both town then again you didn't. It's not exactly townie in my opinion to "do stuff" when the stuff is towards lynching a townie or a townie or a townie... I know i am wrong, in case Palmar in case is mafia, but on surface level that's not a really good argument in my mind, itä very easy to do stuff as mafia when your own shit is not on the line. | ||
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On December 19 2023 06:16 sandroba wrote: Are you trying to understand or no? Yes, it will look bad if he swaps on the townie that is about to get lynched. As mafia you know that and you refrain from doing it, unless doing it is in your direct interest aka if palmar is scum with him and will be lynched otherwise I am trying to understand if you make any conclusion on it. | ||
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On December 19 2023 06:35 sandroba wrote: If I'm town I don't actually know who the mafia is huh? It's the whole purpose of the game? This line of questioning is quite stupid and you can say that 10x more about yourself or any other player So if Palmar is town, how much did you do on lynching mafia? As i said i dont think you did much after me and trfel voted, and i stand by it. You did stuff after the lynch, and that stuff doesnt matter on the lynch. That's my argument, right or wrong on the conclusion. On December 19 2023 06:37 sandroba wrote: If Trfel is mafia and Palmar town Trfel doesn't need to do anything, he has no reason for sticking his neck out. Of course he can do it for w/e reason, but it's not something I think mafia would be doing. And how does Trfel look in your opinion if he doesnt do anything? | ||
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On December 17 2023 04:13 die_meatbaby wrote: I will Filter rayn because he is one of the least interesting players atm for me and I shouldn't just accept his beeing in the thread sometimes. When he is Mafia he playes good as well. when have you seen me playing mafia? | ||
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I know her play is irrational as fuck, it's very hard to give an opinion on her. D1 she voted for Vivax, i know she at least seemed sure that Vivax is mafia. Then she decided that it's not a thing anymore. Now i genuinely never think DMB lets go of that Vivax read at that point of the day, just to make sandroba lynch available. Unless she is ofc mafia with sandroba, but based on the interactions from after that, i don't find it quite likely. It would have taken only one vote more to kill sandroba over Vivax, and i believe DMB would not want that, was she mafia. Yet she contributed to the lynch towards sandroba and not Vivax, in the end of D1. Much defense on Palmar. Much town on Koshi. I dont really get what all that is about. On December 15 2023 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote: I agree on that one. Also Slam voting Chez makes it intresting as well. This could indicate DMB/Palmar team. N2 all in on Palmar being mafia. On December 18 2023 04:12 die_meatbaby wrote: rather lynch me than HF. Better do lose a normal Town then losing a blue one! I will die for Town and i will not care but i will not be with a lynch our hope for a vigi or something else what could help. This is fucking ridiculous if she is mafia... Idk i just think she is insane town. | ||
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On December 19 2023 06:58 die_meatbaby wrote: After reading everything with an opend mind on everybody and not trying to tunnel on Palmar the hole game was this still the most suspicious i could find. Pleases tell me you guys see the same here as i do? what do you think, i didnt catch up on that. | ||
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On December 18 2023 07:47 Palmar wrote: Thing about Trfel is that he is from memory very, very good as scum. .... | ||
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On December 19 2023 07:55 Palmar wrote: The thing is I did point out like 2-3 reasons he could be town. But it's really hard for me to come around fully while he is this tunneled on me, when there are really, really good reasons to think I'm town. Do you think i made the right choice or not? | ||
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On December 19 2023 08:01 Palmar wrote: btw check this out: ![[image loading]](https://imgur.com/0azsG8x) I know it's a bit grainy but that's the view from my balcony now! Here's a webcam close to the action: fuck that's insane.. i know it was happening, did not know you were living close. stay safe | ||
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On December 19 2023 08:08 Palmar wrote: My guess is dmb + hidden. Sandroba is the most likely from my point of view but I may just be tunneled because I'm so tired of his complete lack of listening and thinking. If it isn't him it's super well hidden. marv, trfel, slam, you, idk. Trfel may actually be the likeliest. why is dmb mafia according to you? | ||
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On December 19 2023 08:13 Palmar wrote: I said yesterday that my entire read on her is very much a "too stupid to be mafia" thing. I hate losing to that assumption. Most of my read on her is the same. Do yuo think she is mafia or are you saying you don't wanna lose to her? | ||
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On December 19 2023 08:17 Palmar wrote: idk if town is allowed to last minute claim. I usually in my games make it so that it's impossible (have a silent period at the end of night but maybe allow mafia to change nk in that). If we can last minute claim and have ANY results at all, even if it's not that helpful, they should be posted. we are allowed to do that. | ||
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On December 19 2023 08:19 Palmar wrote: Well no She's dragging up 11 year old games to try to meta read people Her reads have been atrocious through the game. She hardly comments on a bunch of players in the game. Much of her accusations against me is illogical. She claims that I'm just playing "insane mafia game", but somehow she caught me immediately on day 1. How is that insane? All this CAN be explained by terrible town, but it can also just be a bit newbie mafia. okay so, you are saying she can be newbie mafia or newbie town (which she is). which is it? it looks like youre very hesitant to make a stance on what you should. | ||
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On December 19 2023 08:26 Palmar wrote: You waver, understandable. I don't expect everyone to have marv's level of insight into how I play. The people that piss me off are the ones that aren't even willing to entertain the notion that maybe listening to him, of which you aren't a part. In fact your waffling on the idea is pretty townie. If marv is town I'm town If marv is mafia I'm DEFINITELY town I know this shit it's okay. I am with you town, i am with marv town mostly because of this shit, if we cant figure this out we are so bad. | ||
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On December 19 2023 08:30 Palmar wrote: If I assume dmb is good at town, she's 100% mafia. Do you assume that, why? | ||
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On December 19 2023 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote: I was tunneld on you and that was a big mistake. why? | ||
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On December 19 2023 09:05 die_meatbaby wrote: beeing tunneld on one person doesn´t help town. I was tunneld on vivax or also on you on the other games. never did a tunnel help. I am not saying i thinking of him as Town but i am ready to maybe find another scum option, where he is not includet. But if Palmar is mafia, why is it a mistake being tunneled on him? | ||
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On December 19 2023 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam why did you not vote against me D1, did you think i am mafia? | ||
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On December 19 2023 10:02 sandroba wrote: Maybe it's trfel dmb. Probably going to lynch palmar anyway tomorrow and lose Palmar is a bad choice. | ||
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- Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me. - Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game. - I still don't know understand this: On December 19 2023 12:12 Trfel wrote: I think Palmar is probably my strongest townread, with sandroba not too far behind (I don't see how Palmar could be mafia unless he is mafia with marvellosity). Will have a lot of reevaluating to do. I still think die_meatbaby is mafia and don't really understand why people disagree. I need to catch up on the last 10 pages but I'll be here on-and-off for a while. Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia. - If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3? - Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!. ##vote Trfel | ||
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On December 20 2023 22:38 sandroba wrote: Talk about the DMB issue we pointed out rayn Which issue? That she liked HF being mafia with Palmar and noone else and voted for Palmar? | ||
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On December 19 2023 23:04 sandroba wrote: The thing about DMB is that she is overplaying the crazy act. Every time suspicion on her begins to climb, she pops in, starts acting crazy, misunderstanding posts, calling everyone mafia with no follow up, she is just all over the place. Some of the time I must admit it just looks like a bad townie. But looking at it over the spam of the game I think it's very likely this is just an act, she realized at some point that this works and is just repeating this over and over. You mean this? I don't think it holds water. Most of the time the most controversial people are town and you should know that. She is very irrational, first game she was lynched just for this reasoning. It's not alignment indicative for her. | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:17 sandroba wrote: Not that one, the one that actually exposes it was an act all along. I don't really think anything exposes that in any way. | ||
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On December 20 2023 01:49 sandroba wrote: I think these 2 posts here Trfel found are the strongest evidence that this is an act and DMB doesn't actually believe what she is saying. Only 4 hours before said HF was likely mafia. But 4 hours later she is telling us she is so sure HF is blue she wants to be lynched in his place. According to her she has been thinking HF is blue since N1, how can the first post ever make sense if that's how she sees it? come on you literally said this is the strongest evidence that this is an act, and it's most likely not. She said HF is mafia if Palmar is mafia, she voted for Palmar. It's not unreasonable to have a thought HF is mafia (or blue if Palmar is not), from her end... | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:19 sandroba wrote: We can talk about if it's you, Trfel, or Slam with DMB after we lynch the clear mafia today. Not spilling the beans on what I think about that right now Of course you think like that because you're mafia. | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:24 sandroba wrote: It's unreasonable to hold these 2 thoughts at the same time. Either HFis 100% blue who I'll rather get lynched in his place, or he could be mafia. That's not what she said though. If it was she would vote for herself. | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:27 sandroba wrote: It's pretty obvious to me that you don't seem to have any doubts about DMB. Slam came in and had some doubts, you seem pretty dead set on saying dmb is town yes. | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:29 sandroba wrote: I'm obviously not mafia. It's completely unreasonable that you wouldn't have a strong town read on me and would have one on dmb You are not obviously not mafia. | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:55 sandroba wrote: What's going to happen most likely is that we will lynch DMB today, I'll get killed during the night and Palmar and Slam will lose the game for town tomorrow by lynching Trfel, which is sad but beyond my control at that point Okay so you don't think Tfel is mafia, i gathered that. | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:55 sandroba wrote: What's going to happen most likely is that we will lynch DMB today, I'll get killed during the night and Palmar and Slam will lose the game for town tomorrow by lynching Trfel, which is sad but beyond my control at that point So you think i am mafia? | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:49 sandroba wrote: It has crossed my mind that it could be palmar + trfel initially, but if that is the case they played an absolutely stellar scum game and I would be happy to lose to them. If it's you, you played a very strong scum game, at some times I read you townie, but at some times you did things wihch I believe had motivated reasoning. DMB rellied on the newbie card, which I guess is fair but I would be extremelly mad losing to. Slam played super well, rather lose to him than to you, but I'm open to reassessing that after dmb flips mafia. | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:49 sandroba wrote: I spent like 2 hours reading Trfel's filter yesterday, reading every spoiler and went into the scum game of Trfel marv linked, I'm fairly confident he is town. Your case shows you haven't done the same as me, you are misrpresenting some aspects, other arguments you make don't even show any mafia motivation. What I see from Trfel is that he actually made a lot of very well thought out posts and did try to make arguments to lynch his scum reads (Chezinu, later DMB), but they were mostly ignored and fell in deaf ears since town was busy fighting each other. I recommend everyone to actually take the time and read his whole filter including spoilers, especially after day 2. Yet he always ended up in "idk" stances. Not on Chezinu, but at the time there was no reason to believe Chezinu is gonna get lynched and if it would happen, Trfel would look good on it, but it still was out of his hands. Let's be honest there was no good case to be made on Chezinu!!! Same with DMB, only now, when were in MYLO, he has some ACTUAL "yeah let's lynch 100% thoughts" on someone, why didn't he have those D3? Another thing that happened is that after he masoned me we briefly discussed the game before I had to go to bed. We said we would talk again the following day and have another back and forth. In between the time over the spam of 1.5 hours Trfel was posting his thoughts in the chat going over dmb filter while I was sleeping. To me that is extremely unreasonable that a mafia would ever be doing that with absolutely no expectation that they needed to do that. Why would a mafia be putting in work reading filters and posting about it in chat, while there was absolutely no expectation in my part of him doing so? I don't think it's reasonable to assume any mafia would think I would town read for that. What town reasoning there is for him to tell his read on DMB in mason chat rather than in thread? What town reasoning do you have for that? Can you paraphrase the whole chat in the thread, because i don't see any reasoning for a town player to discuss scum reads in private with another player. It has crossed my mind that it could be palmar + trfel initially, but if that is the case they played an absolutely stellar scum game and I would be happy to lose to them. If it's you, you played a very strong scum game, at some times I read you townie, but at some times you did things wihch I believe had motivated reasoning. DMB rellied on the newbie card, which I guess is fair but I would be extremelly mad losing to. Slam played super well, rather lose to him than to you, but I'm open to reassessing that after dmb flips mafia. scummmyyyyyyyy.... rather lose to these people than not to these people to back up a scumread. | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about, if my case on Trfel is just all wrong, you comment on what's wrong about it and why he is town? I rephrase my question, why is my case wrong? | ||
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I was trying to argue why DMB is town also by attacking the arguments made towards her. Now i wouldn't normally care, as it's not my job to defend other people, but it is MYLO, and i think we are lynching town, so i do care. sandroba was trying to argue why Trfel is town, based on something that was not said. I specifically asked him to comment on my case, he did something else. sandroba should be better than that. Mafia right there boys and girls. | ||
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On December 21 2023 00:58 sandroba wrote: Why can't Trfel be bussing DMB rayn? Why are you so stuck in never considering DMB for mafia, while everyone else is fair game? Because i don't consider DMB as mafia lol :D | ||
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On December 21 2023 01:02 sandroba wrote: You are like defending her as newbie town while not even considering what she would do as scum this game. All her game makes a lot more sense as scum than town. The HF being possible scum and 100% confirmed blue point at the same time which I pointed out to her while she was posting here, she had no response to, she vanished from the thread for hours, came back and still not response addressing that. I don't think her posts come from scum perspective. Vivax lynch D1, idk how much you care about that, but Vivax is her partner, Vivax is very good at the game. Idk why people lynched Vivax D1, DMB imo would be most willing to do that by the EoD because Vivax is the person who is gonna figure her out and slam her to the ground. DMB said she considers HF scum if Palmar is scum (i know it was before all the blue shit). I can get behind the idea her mind races to HF -> scum there, i don't really see the contradiction, as only after that HF = scum comment she devoted to "HF blue, lynch me" shit. I understand it's bad, but i don't really think it is scummy. | ||
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On December 21 2023 01:14 sandroba wrote: On the Vivax stuff: Do you think if DMB is mafia she never feels pressure to do that? Vivax is likely on the same place as her fighting for his life, knows she is only and she is not saying anything. If she is mafia don't you think she would admit Vivax feels townie, fearing Vivax would just call her out as scum? In fact Vivax did right before DMB unvoted her: 2nd point about HF: If her mind is racing to HFmight be scum, it's an act when she says: "Lynch me instead of HF, he is blue, I thought so since N2". It's scummy to misrepresent your feelings in order to appear townie or clueless We all came out of a game where Vivax figured out DMB was talking to her scumbuddies, and the game was cancelled mid D1. I think she would be extra careful not to do that. I don't think that's to misrepresent her feelings tbh, that was my point of argument. | ||
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On December 21 2023 01:20 sandroba wrote: Well, you are being super biased if you can't even consider it and are dead set on this explanation for it I can't even understand. I am not super set on this explanation, but i don't really see a good case on why i am supposed to think she is mafia. | ||
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On December 21 2023 01:23 sandroba wrote: I think you meant the other way around. We can't know for sure, but you are hinging so much of your town read on something that I think could be done as either alignment. i meant if she is mafia. how does it help? or do you know she is town? | ||
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On December 21 2023 01:26 sandroba wrote: I think Trfel's case spells it out pretty clearly why. The fact that you read the same case as me and don't even go: "Huh, there might be something there" makes absolutely no sense to me. Even if you think Trfel is scum, he would have bussed Chez d2 in that world, why could he not be doing that here I think i already said why i think Trfel's vote could be a bus? I also think i answered Trfel's case in how it is possible DMB did that all as town. All these points: Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy | ||
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On December 21 2023 01:36 sandroba wrote: I did address it in a single phrase. There is no team possible that doesn't involve dmb so you can argue your Trfel case after we lynch mafia dmb Why is Trfel and Palmar impossible for you? Or any team that includes Slam? | ||
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On December 21 2023 01:39 sandroba wrote: What hypothetical point you can make about a someone which you can't say: it is possible to do that all as town ? Of course anything can be done as town or as mafia.It's just about the fact what people would do as town or as mafia. Why are any of of those scumtells on DMB? Like, i think mafia is either Trfel and you, or Trfel and Palmar. I don't really think Palmar is mafia, but i can be wrong here. I made a case against Trfel, you seem to be very hesitant to disagree with the actual contents of the case, while disagreeing. I have commented on the case on DMB, that leaves me looking like whatever you think it does. I don't give a shit about that, it's MYLO, we lose if we lynch wrong. Why don't you want to comment on the case on Trfel? | ||
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On December 21 2023 01:39 sandroba wrote: What hypothetical point you can make about a someone which you can't say: it is possible to do that all as town ? Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar - I can see this coming from mafia perspective. But why do this when Palmar is not on the lynch block, and why not enforce it when Palmar is actually up for lynch? Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out - I dont really think this is mafia motivated, more likely town motivated, since townies dont know who is mafia and are supposed to be suspicious of everyone Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy - i guess "little to scumhunting energy" can be a point against her. | ||
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On December 21 2023 01:56 sandroba wrote: It's not me and I'm willing to lose to Palmar. If turns out it's Palmar I can always just yell at marv. Dont be fucking willing to lose to anyone, you're supposed to be better than that and i am annoyed if you you are town and lose the game to "i am willing to lose to these people and not to these people". It's bad, we are in MYLO, we lynchj mafia now. | ||
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On December 20 2023 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Trfel is just mafia here. - Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me. - Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game. - I still don't know understand this: Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia. - If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3? - Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!. ##vote Trfel I want everyone to comment on this. | ||
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On December 21 2023 02:07 sandroba wrote: I'll say the same to you. As town you don't know who scum is so in your mind you have to accept that if you are totally wrong, you will just lose. If you follow your plan we will lose to scum dmb, and you seem to be okay with that. All the people I'm saying I'm okay losing to I think are town and if I'm just wrong about that, they did a great job and props to them for winning the game Yeah except i am not saying that, i am trying to lynch who i think is mafia, you're trying to lynch who you don't want to lose to. | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:49 sandroba wrote: I spent like 2 hours reading Trfel's filter yesterday, reading every spoiler and went into the scum game of Trfel marv linked, I'm fairly confident he is town. Your case shows you haven't done the same as me, you are misrpresenting some aspects, other arguments you make don't even show any mafia motivation. What I see from Trfel is that he actually made a lot of very well thought out posts and did try to make arguments to lynch his scum reads (Chezinu, later DMB), but they were mostly ignored and fell in deaf ears since town was busy fighting each other. I recommend everyone to actually take the time and read his whole filter including spoilers, especially after day 2. Another thing that happened is that after he masoned me we briefly discussed the game before I had to go to bed. We said we would talk again the following day and have another back and forth. In between the time over the spam of 1.5 hours Trfel was posting his thoughts in the chat going over dmb filter while I was sleeping. To me that is extremely unreasonable that a mafia would ever be doing that with absolutely no expectation that they needed to do that. Why would a mafia be putting in work reading filters and posting about it in chat, while there was absolutely no expectation in my part of him doing so? I don't think it's reasonable to assume any mafia would think I would town read for that. It has crossed my mind that it could be palmar + trfel initially, but if that is the case they played an absolutely stellar scum game and I would be happy to lose to them. If it's you, you played a very strong scum game, at some times I read you townie, but at some times you did things wihch I believe had motivated reasoning. DMB rellied on the newbie card, which I guess is fair but I would be extremelly mad losing to. Slam played super well, rather lose to him than to you, but I'm open to reassessing that after dmb flips mafia. | ||
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On December 21 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote: Not true, you are just grasping at straws try again. | ||
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On December 21 2023 02:18 sandroba wrote: I'm done arguing with you. You are mafia plain as day to me, there isn't any point continuing okay | ||
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On December 21 2023 02:50 sandroba wrote: Tell that to your partner DMB who you refuse to say these things about sorry but i am not mafia. you probably know that already. | ||
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On December 21 2023 02:58 Palmar wrote: God I hope the two of you are mafia together cause this would be epic trolling as we sail for failure youre not off the hook either so please play, i feel like the lynch is you in case dmb is not happening and that's fucking bad as well. | ||
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On December 21 2023 03:00 sandroba wrote: Your case on Trfel is complete trash rayn. show me how, point by point | ||
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On December 20 2023 23:49 sandroba wrote: I spent like 2 hours reading Trfel's filter yesterday, reading every spoiler and went into the scum game of Trfel marv linked, I'm fairly confident he is town. Your case shows you haven't done the same as me, you are misrpresenting some aspects, other arguments you make don't even show any mafia motivation. What I see from Trfel is that he actually made a lot of very well thought out posts and did try to make arguments to lynch his scum reads (Chezinu, later DMB), but they were mostly ignored and fell in deaf ears since town was busy fighting each other. I recommend everyone to actually take the time and read his whole filter including spoilers, especially after day 2. Another thing that happened is that after he masoned me we briefly discussed the game before I had to go to bed. We said we would talk again the following day and have another back and forth. In between the time over the spam of 1.5 hours Trfel was posting his thoughts in the chat going over dmb filter while I was sleeping. To me that is extremely unreasonable that a mafia would ever be doing that with absolutely no expectation that they needed to do that. Why would a mafia be putting in work reading filters and posting about it in chat, while there was absolutely no expectation in my part of him doing so? I don't think it's reasonable to assume any mafia would think I would town read for that. It has crossed my mind that it could be palmar + trfel initially, but if that is the case they played an absolutely stellar scum game and I would be happy to lose to them. If it's you, you played a very strong scum game, at some times I read you townie, but at some times you did things wihch I believe had motivated reasoning. DMB rellied on the newbie card, which I guess is fair but I would be extremelly mad losing to. Slam played super well, rather lose to him than to you, but I'm open to reassessing that after dmb flips mafia. This is the only thing you have said close to to my case, none of this answers anything in my case. | ||
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On December 21 2023 03:24 sandroba wrote: So have pretty much every other dead townie. You even acknowledge that but just adds doesn't seem natural at the end. No, not everyone has been wishy-washy, and i don't acknowledge that. I was saying he started getting hard stances after D3 ended, and when marv started suspecting him. "Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar," Your explanation here is flat-out wrong and you should know better. Mafia will try to avoid the spot light and not try to get people lynched, it doesn't only make sense if the scum read is also mafia. And what has Trfel exactly done? Avoided suspicion with his flat-out comments that have done nothing, and made no waves at all, in contrary to DMB. Doesn't follow, you proposed something from your own head that Trfel should think Palmar is mafia and from there you said it doesn't make sense. Why does it matter if Trfel did not tell us who he thinks the other mafia is? I am saying it should make in Trfel's head. Ask Trfel who the other mafia is and try to reason it in his thought process. - If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3? He did, town just didn't listen to him. Your speculation is one-sided. I stand by that fact he didn't. He made exactly these posts after i voted for HF: On December 18 2023 09:12 Trfel wrote: Also voting Holyflare I guess. On December 18 2023 09:41 Trfel wrote: Would still much prefer die_meatbaby but I don't think that will happen Where did he make an effort to lynch DMB? Doesn't matter. Doesn't make anyone mafia. Your interpretation about Koshi is just ridiculous. My interpretation of Koshi is not ridiculous at all, as he HIMSELF CONFIRMED IT WAS TRUE!!! How can you even fucking say that?? You can all claim my interpretation on Trfel here is not correct but you use the reasoning for it of it being wrong on Koshi because it was not wrong on Koshi! He just happened to be town. | ||
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On December 21 2023 03:52 sandroba wrote: Where did he say he assumed Koshi is town and that's why he took it at face value? I did say that. Koshi assumed shit i didn't do, i assume Trfel took that at face value (that they are true, because Koshi is tonw and he knew it), and used it against me, unknowing that it's not actually true. | ||
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On December 21 2023 03:54 sandroba wrote: This post here which has a ton of effort and was mostly ignored by everyone why are all of your reads just plain out "this post looks town"? | ||
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On December 21 2023 03:59 sandroba wrote: Your assumption here is just terrible, that he must know Koshi's alignment to assume he is not lying. I always assume people are not straight-up lying about stuff, sometimes if I specifically remember the opposite I might go back to check how things went down. I really doubt anyone here double checks every statement that is made. I would lie about stuff other townies believe in, any good mafia would, because "you can't be held responsible" if a townie did that aswell. | ||
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"This suggests to me that at least one of marvellosity and Palmar is mafia. I don't have any other reasons to support this, at least not yet, this is just night kill analysis. But I think it's worth keeping in mind." Yeah a whole lot of nothing. NK analysis say marv/Palmar mafia but no mafia still. | ||
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On December 21 2023 04:05 sandroba wrote: This is just speculation, it is at best NAI. For Trfel you are giving one-sided reasoning why a mafia could do things. For DMB you are giving one-sided reasoning why a townie would do it. You know what, it would actually be really funny from the outside, if we were both here each defending a different mafia. The only issue with this view is I'm willing to take a look at Trfel after we kill clear mafia dmb, while I think you must think your whole game hinges on dmb not getting lynched. I have no reason to believe DMB would be mafia with Trfel in this game. | ||
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On December 21 2023 03:52 sandroba wrote: Where did he say he assumed Koshi is town and that's why he took it at face value? Of course he is not going to say that if he is mafia. | ||
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On December 20 2023 03:44 sandroba wrote: So far my NK logic has held up. It seems like I'm the only one that cares about thinking what makes sense for mafia to do in the NK. It's hard to imagine mafia is making their own life a lot more difficult with the sole purpose to confuse me. On December 19 2023 23:13 sandroba wrote: If Palmar was mafia I would be dead and not marv. If mafia wanted to blue hunt I think they prob kill slam, since based on my logic for blue palmar I couldn't be blue either. So Palmar I think could only be mafia with Slam. And that means HF is wrong about Slam and Marv wrong about Palmar. If that's the case here congrats to both. I think your NK logic is dead wrong here. N3 kill is beneficial to all people in the game if mafia. N2 kill beneficial to sandroba/Palmar N1 kill ???? So please share your logic for NK's, if you have more insight than i do. | ||
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If this is your take, then do not mind. You were a lynch target as if you are town, D1, D2, maybe even D3, how the fuck do you think you're gonna get nk'd??? | ||
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On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote: 1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all. The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game. His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him? Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious. this is a suspect post. alot of suspect. | ||
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On December 18 2023 23:55 sandroba wrote: I think the most telling thing is that I would never try to take myself to end game as mafia while lynching the role blocker Chezinu on my team. Chezinu could single-handedly win a game for mafia and i would? you are literally telling i am mafia (or even could be) when doing something you would never do yourself as mafia, and use it against me??? | ||
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On December 18 2023 13:01 sandroba wrote: There is at least one townie in here, but he is probably confused about his role pm. Oh oh oh... I forgot. After this Trfel went to "reread his role PM, just to confirm" That is a pile of shit. Noone needes to reread their role PM after the start of the game.' Pile Of Shit !!! | ||
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On December 18 2023 13:02 Trfel wrote: Checked my role PM again, wouldn't have been that surprised if I misread it and am actually mafia but sadly I am not. | ||
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If it is not enough then it is not. Hopefully you are right and i am not. I don't think that's the case for any townie atm. | ||
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On December 21 2023 06:55 Trfel wrote: It matters eventually. For point 2, it's suspicious regardless of whether or not Palmar is mafia for die_meatbaby. It means that she is looking active by posting about Palmar, but not actually caring. This is only mafia indicative. For point 3, this is answered by point 2. Point 4, I did want to lynch die_meatbaby during day 3 and I pushed this. See this case. I can't help it that not enough people wanted to join. If you actually read the portion of the post on die_meatbaby, which it seems like unfortunately most people did not do, it's actually very strong reasoning towards die_meatbaby being mafia. And (1)? (2) and (3). Maybe i can see this. (4) you probably tried or "tried". I know you didnt try after my vote while at least sandroba was claiming to try doing it.. | ||
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On December 21 2023 06:59 Trfel wrote: In case it isn't obvious, I'm in agreement with sandroba that the mafia team is die_meatbaby and raynpelikoneet. We talked about this in the mason chat and agreed that this was by far the most likely. For me it has nothing to do with who I want to lose to and who I don't. Raynpelikoneet is playing an amazing game as mafia, this is true. I can look through his filter and only this last day imo is where he has started to give himself away. The most obvious reasons that make him mafia relate to his townread of die_meatbaby, there is absolutely no way that he should have such strong of a townread with so little doubt. His arguments have become increasingly irrational and the situation we have put him in, with a lot of pressure on his remaining mafia partner, has forced his hand. But this relies somewhat on associations with die_meatbaby so we can leave that for later. Die_meatbaby is mafia for the aforementioned reasons. Once she (presumably) flips mafia, the rest becomes obvious. Wait so your opinion is i am mafia because i should have no town read on DMB? | ||
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I am sorry i couldn't see that.On December 21 2023 12:10 Trfel wrote: Pretty much confirms Palmar and sandroba as town also. Palmar since I doubt die_meatbaby would push her scum buddy all game, and sandroba due to the day 1 shenanigans. yes | ||
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On December 22 2023 09:21 Palmar wrote: rayn if you aren't mafia, is slam? What's your pov? Of course he is mafia. | ||
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- Him masoning Palmar. I didn't really think about this further early on, and i know i said it points towards him being town. However IF Slam is town, i don't understand why he chose to mason Palmar, instead of either Chezinu/marv/rayn. I can now see why he didn't mason Chezinu, the reasoning is obvious. - Slam really likes to talk with Chezinu, he is one of the people who can actually read Chezinu the best. - Another good thing to do as town is to mason either marv (or even me). Regardless of marv's alignment (which noone as town cannot know at the start of D1), if you can show your towniness in mason chat with him, he will read you as town. Also marv is quite good in reading Slam. - I have been talking quite a lot with Slam outside the game, he knows how i think about the game as we have had many discussions about mafia when being irl in the same place. - We even talked about that in the game: On December 13 2023 03:35 Alakaslam wrote: God damn rayn reads me like a book It would in fact be Chezinu. I would try to plead for mercy or just talk about Jesus to essentially waste it. And to try to lessen mafia guilt Idk if this is a pretty forced townread on Chezinu or what? After this Chezinu posts nothing and Slam starts a wagon on him D2. - The D2 wagon, or not really the wagon. When Chezinu started posting, Slam started getting cold feet. Why? Is there something in Chezinu's posting that should make him do that? I think it's because it's easy to vote for your inactive scumbuddy just to let go of the vote after the person actually starts posting. Unfortunately for Slam, that happened too late. Votes had switched already, but he still panicked. Just look at his posting late D2. | ||
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My mindset going to N3 was the following. I thought marv, DMB and slam are town. I thought sandroba and Palmar have very little reason to be mafia together. At some point i also realised Palmar is mot likely town (enforced by the fact marv was NK'd during the night 3). That didn't leave me much for error (based on what i thought). On December 22 2023 11:45 sandroba wrote: Rayn Chez vote he claimed he thought I was mafia at that point, that's why he didn't push Chez. That is not what town rayn would do of he thought I was mafia, he wouldn't switch to Chez who he said was a crapshoot. That's not what i said. I also never switched votes from anyone during the day. I explicitly said i voted for Chezinu because i thought both of you are mafia but noone was seemingly willing to vote for him, and after the resistance especially against my vote continued (namely from Koshi and HF -- who i both thought have a reasonable chance of flipping mafia as well), i decided it's a good vote. Normally that would be an okay reasoning, however you have to understand it was a mylo situation. In my opinion in mylo situation it is all hands on deck, and if we still had a mislynch, i would not have defended DMB like i did. I genuinely just thought she is town, if you don't agree with my reasoning being legit, then there is nothing i can do about it, but what you are saying doesn't make me mafia. On December 22 2023 13:00 sandroba wrote: Doesn't really matter at this point but found it funny. Rayn: Also Rayn: None of that is mutually exclusive. I said Trfel is wishy-washy, it's his town tell. Then i said i think when the game went on he is just trying to overplay it, because pretty much nothing ever went to actual conclusions. It really looked to me he was trying to overplay his town meta. | ||
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On December 22 2023 18:37 Palmar wrote: If slam genuinely believes this, why isn’t masoning me immediately just a straight up town move? Because he said he would mason either me/chezinu/marv. In the game. Like ofc what he said before game is legit town, why does he say different things in the game? | ||
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On December 22 2023 18:37 Palmar wrote: If slam genuinely believes this, why isn’t masoning me immediately just a straight up town move? You are right, it is. Unfortunately in this case it is not | ||
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Because i don't think i would be. Generally i don't get suspected as mafia. I know how to talk to people, i know how to be irritating towards people so that it doesn't get me scumread. I can read the game to say what people want to hear. Most of the time people think i am mafia, it's because i am town and i do what i believe is right and it doesn't sit well with other people. When i am town i don't care about that. When i am mafia i definitely care about that because it's all you need to care about when being mafia. What's my angle and play here, starting from D2? | ||
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On December 22 2023 19:54 Palmar wrote: I think both Sandroba and I could’ve just ended the game last night if we’re scum by moving on Trfel. Youre definitely right here. | ||
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On December 21 2023 12:44 sandroba wrote: GG. How agonizing. The last one is rayn unless you want to argue Trfel not only townsided pretty heavily, but also mind controlled rayn to be as scummy as possible. I found this thing earlier by the way, but at that point I was tired of arguing with mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/598880-chezinu-streaks-vote-thread?page=2 Rayn voting Rels in the exact same spot he voted Chezinu this game. Also rayn's filter and annoying conflict with HF, very similar to his behavior here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet&page=19 I don't think this is a good use of "meta". People have tried to meta me probably almost every game i have playead and always they get it wrong, because they do not look at the situation the game is in. Here is an appropriate use of meta: On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia. Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!). We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100% I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia. You just don't compare posts and say someone is mafia based on "meta because they did similar post in another game". Like idk.. Go and read marv's filter D3-N3, why do you think he was killed? Why do you think i would, if anyone, kill him? (i would though) But in your world... I am not even going to go into your first quote, but the second one is ridiculous. In that game HF said he was VTand he was roleblocked, noone as VT knew if they were roleblocked or not. When that statement came out, what was i supposed to think as town or as mafia? How does it reflect to this game? Answer is in no way at all. That's not a way to use meta. | ||
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If i was mafia i would be all over that shit, because i am 100% right and he is 100% wrong. I let it go, not to say i don't consider it anymore in this game which is ridiculous because it makes him mafia 99% of the time (apparently it didn't), but like i am never fucking letting that shit go for a second if i am mafia because i can argue it over and over again and noone can blame me because i am "right". | ||
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On December 22 2023 23:23 sandroba wrote: It really does, because you didn't just defend her, you made up reasons to town read stuff she did before even letting her address it. You showed no interest in figuring out if she was town or not, you had that as a presupposition only her and for no one else. I'm aware I'm not going to convince you you are mafia regardless of alignment, but just want to say you are really nailed for this. I really do think you are straight up mafia, before even trying to figure if Slam is town or not. The way you acted yesterday with me was not a townie figuring out the game, it was mafia putting on a show and throwing suspicion at me and Trfel. Well i just dont agree with that. On DMB i mean. | ||
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If you have some questions or something you need to cleared, please ask. If you have stuff you have already made up your mind on, dont bother pls. | ||
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On December 22 2023 23:50 sandroba wrote: I've read your filter many times and this whole game is just you coming in the thread when there is some heat on you, trying to diffuse suspicion. It's never you trying to find town or find mafia. Everytime you gave a reason for someone to be town was based on very flimsy reasoning, reasoning that you would immediately discard as soon as thread sentiment moved the other way. You are just floating along with thread sentiment, keeping options open and arguing with people to appear townie, which is your mafia MO looking at the other game I linked. No effort to solve the game. Only real effort you ever put was yesterday to try to get Trfel or me, or whoever not dmb lynched. 1/3 of your post: I guess you can think that, and its reasonable. I play when i can play, there is nothing else to say about that. I disagree i have not been trying to find out who is town or mafia. 2/3: Thats just simply untrue. If i am mafia why would iever do this? 3/3: I am definitely not floating around with thread sentiment, D2. D3, D4???? | ||
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On December 22 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote: This is what you posted about the Chezinu vote: Knowing this is a flat out lie. You did exactly this as mafia in the game I linked, and you are lying about it to try to garner townie points. Thats your bad meta | ||
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On December 23 2023 01:12 sandroba wrote: I'm never unvoting. Up to you guys if you want to wait or be done with this. I didnt expect anything else. I was just playing until the end. You have your way and deal with it after the game. | ||
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On December 23 2023 01:35 sandroba wrote: Not rubbing it in, just saying no hard feelings Its okay. Why am i mafia though besides the things you dont believe in my responses? | ||
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On December 23 2023 02:09 sandroba wrote: Well I think I said enough, but I can add a bit more perhaps. Not sure what good this does. Even though throughout your filter you seem like you are reading Trfel and me as town at multiple points, you refuse to reevaluate your stupid reason for the dmb read, even when I pointed out that was no reason to TR anyone. Remember your d2 analysis and what you have been saying you find it very unlikely I'm mafia. You take a very different stance in other players in the game than you do in DMB. When you vote HF you feel the need to justify you not voting DMB, which you already said you don't think is mafia: You vote HF and make it so that DMB wagon doesn't take off. Like even in this post it's 100% bs and a soft defense of DMB. How is DMB only mafia with HF? This is absolute horseshit and you know it! Not like dmb cannot lie when she is mafia. Yet you find a way of taking everything dmb says and does at face value, different from how you act regarding any other player in the game. You have tunnel vision. Please do not. | ||
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On December 18 2023 06:12 Alakaslam wrote: Also, my ploy fell apart what does this mean? | ||
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On December 19 2023 10:35 Alakaslam wrote: Fair cop, but if she is scum she has become the master scum and is worthy of respect. Or we have become dumbest town and deserve scorn (hard to tell, given I am always that latter category 😁) | ||
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On December 18 2023 09:46 Alakaslam wrote: Dmb is town, HF is town, dmb is the fresh eyes that doesn't think Palmar will pull the deep magic of Abrakahotdamn all of a sudden and stun the town with a :O badass O: mafia lynch no one else saw, because she hasn't seen him do that before. The rest of us know it is possible and that pronounces Wifom upon us of a "wait! Don't save me! I'm getting high as a motherfucker!" level. We literally don't want to see him as mafia because he is so witty confident and sexy that we can't see anything else, hoping for that magic of KadabraalakaBLAMM scum defeat at his and Marv's badass hand. Even Marv desires to see this Meanwhile Palmar's scum mate is in awe, like holy shit the Svengail this dude pulls on the town is amazing, how does anyone see it, I mean the Schizophrenic dude and the newbie and the target do but holy shit On December 18 2023 14:33 Alakaslam wrote: I have no voice, and I must scream. Why have YOU not been lynched? SAME REASON DO NOT LYNCH DMB On December 19 2023 01:37 Alakaslam wrote: You were up for lynch You expressed your town alignment You were saved Dmb was up for lynch She has expressed her town alignment I am trying to save her too On December 19 2023 10:35 Alakaslam wrote: Fair cop, but if she is scum she has become the master scum and is worthy of respect. Or we have become dumbest town and deserve scorn (hard to tell, given I am always that latter category 😁) | ||
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He didnt have have shit, he chickened out, i did have shit i did not. He had a town read on DMB, i had a town read on DMB. I laid it out, he did not. I am not mafia. He is mafia. | ||
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On December 23 2023 07:15 sandroba wrote: Yeah. The sad difference is he is Slam. You are Rayn. wow. is that your reasoning??? | ||
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On December 23 2023 07:16 sandroba wrote: I'm here dude. Don't be so pissed off, if it were up to you town would have lost yesterday. this is the only reason i am not pissed off because of. | ||
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On December 22 2023 23:27 sandroba wrote: The meta is just your filter if anyone has the patience to go through it. It just proves you keep asking questions and throwing suspicions as mafia, you can be annoying and antagonistic the way you were with me yesterday, and that whatever you did in this game is well within your range to do as mafia. I'm not moving my vote. Slam has to probably claim mafia at this point to lose if it's him and I would still think twice about moving. we can go through this after the game. you will never "meta" me as you would like to. | ||
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On December 23 2023 07:26 sandroba wrote: I'm pretty biased since you fought tooth and nail against me to not lynch dmb, so I'm waiting for an unbiased observer to see if I'm tripping here or not. This is understandable. | ||
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On December 23 2023 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: we can go through this after the game. you will never "meta" me as you would like to. doesn't matter if i flip town or mafia here. | ||
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On December 23 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: He voted for chezinu, i voted for chezinu. He didnt have have shit, he chickened out, i did have shit i did not. He had a town read on DMB, i had a town read on DMB. I laid it out, he did not. I am not mafia. He is mafia. This is why Slam is mafia and i am not. | ||
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- Why did you vote for Chezinu D2? - Why did you vote for DMB D4? - Why am i mafia? | ||
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On December 23 2023 07:48 sandroba wrote: My meta here is that it's within your range as scum. My read is mostly pushing mafia agenda when it's down to the wire Probably in my range of scum, i agree. | ||
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On December 23 2023 07:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam: - Why did you vote for Chezinu D2? - Why did you vote for DMB D4? - Why am i mafia? | ||
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On December 23 2023 07:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam: - Why did you vote for Chezinu D2? - Why did you vote for DMB D4? - Why am i mafia? Easy answers if youre town. | ||
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Not if I am town and can be wrong. Things can look bad despite one's honest opinions. - ok How about you answer why did you vote for Chezinu despite calling it a "shit lynch"? - i didn't call it a "shit lynch", i did call it what i called it Why did I bus him so suddenly if I am mafia here? How is DMB more valuable? - Idk, why did you? Why did I totally deflate as soon as Koshi was not scum and could therefore not be scum with Marv? - what? you have to help me out here Why would I NOT follow through on Chezinu and take the delicious bus credit? - idk, i am not mafia [/QUOTE] | ||
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On December 23 2023 09:26 Alakaslam wrote: You are mafia because HF said you were You are mafia because your vote on Chezinu is bus You are mafia because of your role pm You are mafia because POE but I guess that is weak since apparently so could I be well, no. | ||
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On December 23 2023 09:25 Alakaslam wrote: DMB vote was to say I didn't disagree with the wagon when I had been working all day and forgotten about the game at a social function. Buddy said "anyone wanna play mafia?" And I said (rather loudly) OH SHIT - and whipped out my phone and started furiously typing. Check the time stamp Why did yuo vote vote DMB, you had her as town? | ||
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On December 23 2023 09:23 Alakaslam wrote: Nope. Not if I am town and can be wrong. Things can look bad despite one's honest opinions. How about you answer why did you vote for Chezinu despite calling it a "shit lynch"? answered already Why did I bus him so suddenly if I am mafia here? How is DMB more valuable? because you had a chance, DMB is not more valuable, you bussed her too last day. Why did I totally deflate as soon as Koshi was not scum and could therefore not be scum with Marv? Dont understand, but maybe this has something to do with you being mafia since you bring it up of all things :D" Why would I NOT follow through on Chezinu and take the delicious bus credit? well you did, just not from your end | ||
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I am not mafia. gg anyways | ||
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Good effort DMB and sorry from my part not being more active. Also unfortunate that Chezinu had the expo and coupdn't play properly. Neverheless you voth did a good job against probably the most stacked team ever, esp DMB, well played!! Merry Christmas everyone, see you next year <3 | ||
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On December 24 2023 12:10 iamperfection wrote: i give rayn credit for giving it a sporting chance at the end there. Probably should have just bussed DMB or maybe bussed each other? Probably yes, that's definitely one thing i made a mistake on. Ironically if i was town i would have most likely done exactly what i did during that day and still lost, just as town. | ||
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On December 24 2023 22:35 Holyflare wrote: Probably don't wait until aftet everyone has gone to bed to start playing like not a maniac next time. Yeah, i think people wait for too long to "actually play" especially during D1. When the game is over half euro, and the deadline is like 4-6am, this is bound to happen if you wait until the last minute to play. | ||
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On December 24 2023 22:39 Holyflare wrote: Gg everyone, was nice to see you all again. Have a nice Christmas! I'm sorry if you felt offended, hope we're all good <3 | ||
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On December 24 2023 23:26 Vivax wrote: It’s true though. He could have changed the deadline outcome. Mafia is how I learned never to attempt to help others. In the future I’ll just be right in the corner with the other antisocial whales that’s the lesson I have been taught last year. Maybe when gangstalkers try to drive you to suicide you will understand. You do realize though, that mafia is very different from real life? In mafia there is always someone out to get you, in real life that's not the case. That's why people act differently in these games, based on what they know of others and what they know of real life. | ||
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On December 24 2023 23:38 darthfoley wrote: Sad I missed this, but glad there was a TL Mafia game for the first time in... ages?! You've missed quite a few games!! We've played what.. at least four this year. | ||
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"Bad thing is i dont think either of marv or DP is Power Role." Worst post in scum QT...  | ||
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On December 25 2023 01:19 marvellosity wrote: That’s why blue hunting is dumb a lot of the time. And Chez red/blue blindness is a nonsense excuse for being wrong. Some people do that tbh, and if they do, Chez is good at it. | ||
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On December 25 2023 01:43 sandroba wrote: Wow the obs at was almost as active as the game itself! Koshi we totally mindmelded since day 1! It's unfortunate that I performed so poorly d1 that almost every town player with few exceptions thought I was suspicious. I think my bad d1 almost cost town the game since it caused us to accuse each other for 3 cycles. Looking at the obs qt as well I was widely suspected and certainly and I shouldn't have been so incredulous about being scum read by marv and by palmar. Even DP who I thought had a really spot on interpretation of d1 ended up thinking I was mafia as well! Next game it's something I'll try to improve and if I roll mafia I'm going to try to be equally as involved. At the start of this game I was trying to not be so emotionally involved and more stoic, but I don't think it really worked out. I ended up being very emotional d2 forward and it seems to have helped, at least for others to read me. Should have lynched you when i had the chance. Well played sir, i hope you participate in the further annual games. | ||
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On December 25 2023 01:37 justanothertownie wrote: Marv wouldn't but DP was trying to be scummy. Just failed at it with this town. In retrospect for me shooting DP is a bad choice, he gets my stuff, even if other people dont, even if i am mafia. This game it however worked out. Him being a doctor and actually having a save on our other possible target. | ||
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On December 25 2023 01:48 sandroba wrote: You too rayn, you frustrated me immensely at some points, but in a good way. It's amazing how well certain players such as yourself can defend and act townie. Not giving up at the end, you definitely gave your team a fair shot of winning this It's all good! It was a nice game all in all. We will meet again, hopefully in different teams so i can whack your ass as you did mine. | ||
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On December 25 2023 02:05 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, him being the doctor made it the optimal shot. Otherwise who knows. He definitely was scumsiding a bit in the obs 😉 The thing is him i can convince, not so much marv or Palmar for instance, turned out no sandroba either lol ^_^ | ||
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On December 25 2023 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is him i can convince, not so much marv or Palmar for instance, turned out no sandroba either lol ^_^ Koshi and HF were really wild cards in my scum opinion, i had hard time keeping marv scumreading me for scumreading Koshi (i really should have not)...... HF was just an option presented when i was not around, sandroba and HF read it correctly that i probably shouldn't have voted for him like that (while i could, just not like that). I just ran out of time there already, i took whatever lynch i could at that point | ||
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On December 25 2023 02:16 marvellosity wrote: Christ If I’d kept my track on Chez n1 the game would have been so easy… I think it might have come harder..  | ||
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On December 25 2023 04:44 Palmar wrote: Happy Christmas to all of you who celebrate those. It was great being back with yall You too man, i am annoyed i couldn't win against you whichever team you are in. Nice to play with you again though! | ||
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