Winter Warfare Mafia - Page 12

On December 11 2023 05:06 Holyflare wrote:


I don't like his attack on you and I think Palmar perhaps persuaded him off from tunelling you further but he tried to play it off like he came up with that idea himself to appear like he was being reasonable and then said you could be mafia anyway. He also said you weren't inquisitive about finding out information from people, while literally trying to take up all of your time with little questions thus giving you not much time to do that.

I don't know what to think of that though because I'm historically bad at reading DP. Not sure I could make a gut read on it but somewhere middle of the pack, possibility of being townie but not outright surprised if mafia. See what he does next given time.

Have you made a list post summing up what your current reads are?

On December 10 2023 12:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Why aren't y'all instant and hanging on every second like my phoneposting ass?

On December 10 2023 12:03 Trfel wrote:
Hi everyone, hope you have been well

Excited for the 12 player game. Increases my chance of finding mafia to 27.2%, higher than my normal 25% average!

On December 10 2023 12:10 Trfel wrote:
Also I should add, I could be wrong, but this seems like a heavy-EU player base in a game where the deadline is late at night for EU. So it's probably going to be important to be more organized and not rely on deadline shenanigans since people (hopefully) won't be around Unless there is some other solution to the Grackaroni deadline that people have discovered in my 3-year-plus absence.

On December 10 2023 12:40 Trfel wrote:
How are you doing, Alakaslam? Anyone else around?

I do find it interesting that there is a mason mechanic this game. Not sure if there is any way to realistically use that to our advantage, but I guess it probably doesn't hurt?

On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.

So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.

For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far.

On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:
I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient.

This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all.

The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red:

He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out.

On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey guys, just got back from watching my nieces (they are obsessed with Bluey if anyone knows that show) but have been following along the thread while I was away.



I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today.









As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly,
it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time.




The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh.




The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was.

I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed.

On December 11 2023 11:16 die_meatbaby wrote:


Okey what kind of wagon are you trying to build here. Like i really really try to see it but now you making my opinion on you even worse
#vote vivax

On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.


Unvote

On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a riddle for me Trfel?

On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:
Hello.



We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them.
I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded).

'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment.

'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that?



This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either.

Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments?

On December 11 2023 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:


Wait wtF?!? I am your second biggest lynch candidate because:

1.) I stopped posting for 6 hours in the middle of the night

and

2.) for saying pretty much exactly what you are saying about sandroba's recent posts???


That doesn't make any fucking sense. Are you for real right now?

##vote: Trfel

On December 13 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:

So In your world, mafia DMB rolled the dice and tied up the votes, where another vote kills sandro, who you think is mafia?

I don’t understand why DMB chooses d1 lynch time to be most active if she is mafia, it’s just asking for trouble

On December 13 2023 22:19 marvellosity wrote:
So I've gone back and re-read sandro, specifically looking for what he has said about Trfel. This is the progression.

1. He is "98% sure" that the DP & Trfel fight is TvT.
2. Trfel is trying to figure out the game, and his post casting suspicion on Vivax is "spot on".
3. Trfel he had been "leaning town" on "but this post really set off some alarms for me" - this is the Trfel vote post on Vivax.
4. He says to me "I quoted a post [from Trfel] I would 100% expect you to agree on and find suspicious" - the problem is he couldn't elaborate on how this was - he stated the tone felt different from the rest of the filter - which I don't agree with - which is why I asked how he might imagine a town Trfel might have written the post, which he could not answer.
5. He then submissively backs down on this point saying he could be just bad (this feels out of sandro's character)
6. Now he is "conflicted on Trfel"
7. sandro does a big catch-up post on DP, Trfel, me etc. In it he says he agrees with DP that Trfel was "going on the counter offensive" to make his post look a lot worse, and if he knew what type of player Trfel was, he would find it "an ironclad case [on Trfel]"

Basically I don't find any of this natural. While it was happening, he considered DP vs Trfel 98% TvT, but on re-read DP's case on Trfel looks "ironclad"?

I can't see this whole thing coming from a town sandro, I just can't

On December 13 2023 23:14 sandroba wrote:

HF is just trying to bury me throwing some shade in every single post I make mafia.
"Not sure why you do this", "not sure why you do that"

On December 13 2023 23:06 Holyflare wrote:
Not sure I understand why you're tripling down on calling marv mafia when he's going through your filter multiple times, trying to come up with arguments and engage with you and even then still giving the benefit of the doubt for other people to interject and correct him. Is that mafia M.O.?

On December 13 2023 23:21 Palmar wrote:
So apparently I'm allowed to do this...

Anyone who wants the mason channel with me?

On December 13 2023 23:22 Holyflare wrote:
Let me spell it out incredibly clearly. I think you're mafia, I think you have floundered trying to come up with town reads because there have been people that are posting good townie thoughts and you can't come up with concrete reasons to actually scum read them so you've just re-hashed the beginning of the game again and squirrelled away not trying to give any good perspective on current events or anything useful. You've boxed yourself out and aren't actually answering any questions because you don't want to give too many things away when you actually flip mafia.

Even now I'm asking you relevant questions because you're not doing things you should be if you are a townie and you're just throwing things back in my face in an attempt to throw a tantrum and derail progress because the fact is you can't coherently reply to the accusations or give proper answers because there is no good explanation for what you're doing.

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You can very very easily give more insight into the end of day shenanigans and see the perspectives of people at the time and give us insight into who looks like mafia trying to afk or which of the people joining you and trying to save vivax were doing so in good faith or bad faith and then drawing conclusions from that but you instead just pick out things that aren't relevant like some trfel interaction with me (and again, you haven't acknowledged or given an insight into my reply to this accusation).

You're not doing things a townie would do in your situation. You're complaining, you're calling people that are clearly just trying to solve the game mafia and relying aren't actually trying to divert things in a meaningful way. Who are you trying to lynch right now? God knows. Just whining that marv is mafia and that I'm mafia and asking about some irrelevant vig claim.

##vote sandroba