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On December 13 2023 19:01 Holyflare wrote:
I'll try harder today so you don't have to think about me. At least I speculatively want to at least lol.
It’s your punishment for being such a dumb strong mafia player I’m afraid
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On December 13 2023 07:28 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:06 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. To be honest I think you are nitpicking a bit. Even if we say you are right and Holyflare isn't, I'm not sure what that demonstrates. It means he messed up in reading the thread maybe, I don't think it makes him mafia. I think that the overall picture of Holyflare's play is much more important.Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me. I don't like his attack on you and I think Palmar perhaps persuaded him off from tunelling you further but he tried to play it off like he came up with that idea himself to appear like he was being reasonable and then said you could be mafia anyway. He also said you weren't inquisitive about finding out information from people, while literally trying to take up all of your time with little questions thus giving you not much time to do that.I don't know what to think of that though because I'm historically bad at reading DP. Not sure I could make a gut read on it but somewhere middle of the pack, possibility of being townie but not outright surprised if mafia. See what he does next given time. Have you made a list post summing up what your current reads are? This exchange feels a bit off to me. The Trfel soft defense of HF, throwing the question to HF about DP and HF's response all sound a bit forced to me. It just looks like they give each other an undue amount of charitability. This feels like mafia on mafia to me.
Can town give their thoughts on this post please?
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On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:Hey guys, just got back from watching my nieces (they are obsessed with Bluey if anyone knows that show) but have been following along the thread while I was away. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Why aren't y'all instant and hanging on every second like my phoneposting ass? I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:03 Trfel wrote:Hi everyone, hope you have been well  Excited for the 12 player game. Increases my chance of finding mafia to 27.2%, higher than my normal 25% average! Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:10 Trfel wrote:
Also I should add, I could be wrong, but this seems like a heavy-EU player base in a game where the deadline is late at night for EU. So it's probably going to be important to be more organized and not rely on deadline shenanigans since people (hopefully) won't be around Unless there is some other solution to the Grackaroni deadline that people have discovered in my 3-year-plus absence. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:40 Trfel wrote:
How are you doing, Alakaslam? Anyone else around?
I do find it interesting that there is a mason mechanic this game. Not sure if there is any way to realistically use that to our advantage, but I guess it probably doesn't hurt? As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly, it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all. The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red: On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out. The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was. I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed.
Like what if I’m wrong about sandro and this post is just totally correct?
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In the world where sandro is town I have been on his ass all game based on his first post (and yes I have given other reasons which I am going to reevaluate). Of course sandro is pissed off at me here and if I’m town-sandro in that spot I am finding ‘me’ suspicious too.
So I am going to reread sandro today with the filter that his first post isn’t just mafia and see where it gets me.
In my mind though, I think he makes some odd posts about Trfel, it doesn’t feel natural. But that may be confirmation bias I’ve had.
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On December 13 2023 19:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:Hey guys, just got back from watching my nieces (they are obsessed with Bluey if anyone knows that show) but have been following along the thread while I was away. On December 10 2023 12:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Why aren't y'all instant and hanging on every second like my phoneposting ass? I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today. On December 10 2023 12:03 Trfel wrote:Hi everyone, hope you have been well Excited for the 12 player game. Increases my chance of finding mafia to 27.2%, higher than my normal 25% average! On December 10 2023 12:10 Trfel wrote:
Also I should add, I could be wrong, but this seems like a heavy-EU player base in a game where the deadline is late at night for EU. So it's probably going to be important to be more organized and not rely on deadline shenanigans since people (hopefully) won't be around Unless there is some other solution to the Grackaroni deadline that people have discovered in my 3-year-plus absence. On December 10 2023 12:40 Trfel wrote:
How are you doing, Alakaslam? Anyone else around?
I do find it interesting that there is a mason mechanic this game. Not sure if there is any way to realistically use that to our advantage, but I guess it probably doesn't hurt? As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly, it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh. On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all. The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red: On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out. The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was. I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. Like what if I’m wrong about sandro and this post is just totally correct?
Or maybe this post is totally right and I am also right about sandro
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On December 13 2023 17:30 Koshi wrote:DMB is mafia. 1) She is flying under the radar. 2) I think she voted Vivax because he is a threat to her. And because Vivax posted a good list. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 11:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 11 2023 11:07 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote:
I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push. I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town. Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly. You haven't though. I can tell you who isn't in the clear for me: And that's a majority but I can't do much about it with my current degree of certainty. You, marv, dmb, Chez, Palmar, HF. Sandro, Trfel. I'm wondering if I should bury my sandro + Trfel approach and just assume it's two townies starting the game off like that. ##Unvote Okey what kind of wagon are you trying to build here. Like i really really try to see it but now you making my opinion on you even worse #vote vivax 3) Last one to move from Vivax to Sandroba. Even though she was moving with thread sentiment to a more Vivax is not mafia 30 mins prior. 4) Dont think she made 1 good post so far. Very bad of Palmar to make her so townie after that 1 "independent research" Vivax vote. Because really... That isn't that good at all. Anyway. Start putting her in your PoE people. ##Vote Sandroba(Last game I was mafai and I made a case on somebody and voted somebody else)
So In your world, mafia DMB rolled the dice and tied up the votes, where another vote kills sandro, who you think is mafia?
I don’t understand why DMB chooses d1 lynch time to be most active if she is mafia, it’s just asking for trouble
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On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well.
Does Trfel not feel like his (presumably townie) explanation for his play should be good enough for DP to unvote?
What’s the mindset here?
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On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:Mostly just this: Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no?
This is a decent follow up to Trfel’s earlier post where he said “on the off chance Vivax” though.
He thought he spotted something and mentioned it while being asked about reads, and this follow up is logical. A few town points perhaps
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On December 11 2023 06:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Wait wtF?!? I am your second biggest lynch candidate because: 1.) I stopped posting for 6 hours in the middle of the night and 2.) for saying pretty much exactly what you are saying about sandroba's recent posts??? That doesn't make any fucking sense. Are you for real right now? ##vote: Trfel I don't want to lynch you for what you said about sandroba's posts. Why are you quoting things that aren't my reasoning and calling it my reasoning? And it's not that you stopped posting during the night, it's the way you left with seemingly no direction and how content you felt to do so. Yes, it can be explained (to some extent) by being asleep, but the timing seems rather suspect as well due to making a push, backing off when it seems clear to not be working, and then leaving since you've "done something" already.
Honestly Trfel, this is the 3rd time I counted that you have brought up DP being afk while asleep.
I don’t understand why you’re expecting him to completely flesh out a new view on the game after he has unvoted you, less than 24h into the game?
Can you explain?
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On December 13 2023 20:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:On December 13 2023 17:30 Koshi wrote:DMB is mafia. 1) She is flying under the radar. 2) I think she voted Vivax because he is a threat to her. And because Vivax posted a good list. On December 11 2023 11:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 11 2023 11:07 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote:
I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push. I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town. Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly. You haven't though. I can tell you who isn't in the clear for me: And that's a majority but I can't do much about it with my current degree of certainty. You, marv, dmb, Chez, Palmar, HF. Sandro, Trfel. I'm wondering if I should bury my sandro + Trfel approach and just assume it's two townies starting the game off like that. ##Unvote Okey what kind of wagon are you trying to build here. Like i really really try to see it but now you making my opinion on you even worse #vote vivax 3) Last one to move from Vivax to Sandroba. Even though she was moving with thread sentiment to a more Vivax is not mafia 30 mins prior. 4) Dont think she made 1 good post so far. Very bad of Palmar to make her so townie after that 1 "independent research" Vivax vote. Because really... That isn't that good at all. Anyway. Start putting her in your PoE people. ##Vote Sandroba(Last game I was mafai and I made a case on somebody and voted somebody else) So In your world, mafia DMB rolled the dice and tied up the votes, where another vote kills sandro, who you think is mafia? I don’t understand why DMB chooses d1 lynch time to be most active if she is mafia, it’s just asking for trouble Well. If Sandroba is not mafia. DMB prefers to lynch Vivax. I think that is an important fact. If Sandroba is mafia. We will have to consider how pressured she felt to switch as mafia with him. Praying nobody else woke up. Not switching would have looked 100% damning because she was moving away from mafia Vivax for a while. At least 3 posts in 1h30 before the switch.
But then why choose to be active around a lynch when mafiaxDMB knows that Vivax is town and Is therefore liable to start shitting towniness?
She chooses to be in the the thread while a town-Vivax has already started to post prolifically.
Seems like a crazy gamble?
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On December 12 2023 05:39 Trfel wrote:
Hey Vivax, I'm around. I get that you're voting for sandroba but I don't see you being that committed to the push. To be fair I've been busy today so I skimmed the past few pages.
Can you summarize why I/we should be lynching sandroba (or whoever you want, really)? If you want to quote previous posts that explain it that's fine, I just can't really look on my own for a little.
Really disappointing that Trfel posted this then afked.
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So I've gone back and re-read sandro, specifically looking for what he has said about Trfel. This is the progression.
1. He is "98% sure" that the DP & Trfel fight is TvT.
2. Trfel is trying to figure out the game, and his post casting suspicion on Vivax is "spot on".
3. Trfel he had been "leaning town" on "but this post really set off some alarms for me" - this is the Trfel vote post on Vivax.
4. He says to me "I quoted a post [from Trfel] I would 100% expect you to agree on and find suspicious" - the problem is he couldn't elaborate on how this was - he stated the tone felt different from the rest of the filter - which I don't agree with - which is why I asked how he might imagine a town Trfel might have written the post, which he could not answer.
5. He then submissively backs down on this point saying he could be just bad (this feels out of sandro's character)
6. Now he is "conflicted on Trfel"
7. sandro does a big catch-up post on DP, Trfel, me etc. In it he says he agrees with DP that Trfel was "going on the counter offensive" to make his post look a lot worse, and if he knew what type of player Trfel was, he would find it "an ironclad case [on Trfel]"
Basically I don't find any of this natural. While it was happening, he considered DP vs Trfel 98% TvT, but on re-read DP's case on Trfel looks "ironclad"?
I can't see this whole thing coming from a town sandro, I just can't
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On December 13 2023 22:38 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 22:19 marvellosity wrote:
So I've gone back and re-read sandro, specifically looking for what he has said about Trfel. This is the progression.
1. He is "98% sure" that the DP & Trfel fight is TvT.
2. Trfel is trying to figure out the game, and his post casting suspicion on Vivax is "spot on".
3. Trfel he had been "leaning town" on "but this post really set off some alarms for me" - this is the Trfel vote post on Vivax.
4. He says to me "I quoted a post [from Trfel] I would 100% expect you to agree on and find suspicious" - the problem is he couldn't elaborate on how this was - he stated the tone felt different from the rest of the filter - which I don't agree with - which is why I asked how he might imagine a town Trfel might have written the post, which he could not answer.
5. He then submissively backs down on this point saying he could be just bad (this feels out of sandro's character)
6. Now he is "conflicted on Trfel"
7. sandro does a big catch-up post on DP, Trfel, me etc. In it he says he agrees with DP that Trfel was "going on the counter offensive" to make his post look a lot worse, and if he knew what type of player Trfel was, he would find it "an ironclad case [on Trfel]"
Basically I don't find any of this natural. While it was happening, he considered DP vs Trfel 98% TvT, but on re-read DP's case on Trfel looks "ironclad"?
I can't see this whole thing coming from a town sandro, I just can't This is stupid, why would I do this as mafia? Why not just keep my town read on Trfel at that point and just focus on Vivax?
Because mafia make mistakes.
I've talked a fair bit this game about how I can understand how people are thinking and progressing, that sort of thing.
The fact is, I can't understand these thoughts or progression. It's not townie.
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Also, and it's not really all that relevant, the reason you were talking about Trfel at all there was you asked me to engage.
And I said, okay I will engage, but not about me, you, or Vivax. So you had to talk about someone else.
So you can't defend yourself by saying "i would have just kept talking about vivax"
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On December 13 2023 23:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 23:14 sandroba wrote:On December 13 2023 23:06 Holyflare wrote:
Not sure I understand why you're tripling down on calling marv mafia when he's going through your filter multiple times, trying to come up with arguments and engage with you and even then still giving the benefit of the doubt for other people to interject and correct him. Is that mafia M.O.? HF is just trying to bury me throwing some shade in every single post I make mafia. "Not sure why you do this", "not sure why you do that" You can feel free to replace not sure with "I am sure" to get my actual perspective.
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On December 13 2023 23:14 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 23:06 Holyflare wrote:
Not sure I understand why you're tripling down on calling marv mafia when he's going through your filter multiple times, trying to come up with arguments and engage with you and even then still giving the benefit of the doubt for other people to interject and correct him. Is that mafia M.O.? HF is just trying to bury me throwing some shade in every single post I make mafia. "Not sure why you do this", "not sure why you do that"
It’s a serious point though sand. I have some natural (townie 😉) doubt about my lynch, which I’ve expressed openly.
Are you really reading my posts last 24h and thinking they are mafia posts? I know I’m super biased here but I think it’s fairly obvious I am constructively trying to solve and think about the game.
I have like zero reason, as mafia, to throw any doubt on your lynch, as the rest of the game I’ve just been all over you. I’m considering it again today because I want to get it right.
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On December 13 2023 23:22 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 23:21 Palmar wrote:
So apparently I'm allowed to do this...
Anyone who wants the mason channel with me? I do
I’m all for this.
I have nothing to say to Palmar that I can’t say here.
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On December 13 2023 23:24 Palmar wrote:
That's actually an interesting proposal sandro lol.
I'm a big fan of dmb dropping by with a post they've clearly put work into and eveyrone just straight up ignoring it.
Ignored = it looks fine
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On December 13 2023 23:28 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 23:22 Holyflare wrote:
Let me spell it out incredibly clearly. I think you're mafia, I think you have floundered trying to come up with town reads because there have been people that are posting good townie thoughts and you can't come up with concrete reasons to actually scum read them so you've just re-hashed the beginning of the game again and squirrelled away not trying to give any good perspective on current events or anything useful. You've boxed yourself out and aren't actually answering any questions because you don't want to give too many things away when you actually flip mafia.
Even now I'm asking you relevant questions because you're not doing things you should be if you are a townie and you're just throwing things back in my face in an attempt to throw a tantrum and derail progress because the fact is you can't coherently reply to the accusations or give proper answers because there is no good explanation for what you're doing.
You can very very easily give more insight into the end of day shenanigans and see the perspectives of people at the time and give us insight into who looks like mafia trying to afk or which of the people joining you and trying to save vivax were doing so in good faith or bad faith and then drawing conclusions from that but you instead just pick out things that aren't relevant like some trfel interaction with me (and again, you haven't acknowledged or given an insight into my reply to this accusation).
You're not doing things a townie would do in your situation. You're complaining, you're calling people that are clearly just trying to solve the game mafia and relying aren't actually trying to divert things in a meaningful way. Who are you trying to lynch right now? God knows. Just whining that marv is mafia and that I'm mafia and asking about some irrelevant vig claim.
##vote sandroba I'm trying to solve the game, your alignment and marv's is in question for me. I made it very clear I want to lynch Trfel. I'm doing what I'm doing and not what you want me to do. You could very easily be doing a ton of other things as well, and so could all the other people in the thread. Again you are not trying to figure out my alignment, you just want to bury me
Read my posts referring you in the last couple pages of my filter. Do you actually believe this?
I know hats directed at Hf but I assume it’s towards me as well.
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Ffs the amount of time I have said stuff like ‘hat’ instead of ‘that’ this game and stuff is nuts. The t button fucking hates me.
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