Quarterly Mafia 1 - part 2

On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote:
Dp/rayn/marv scumteam

##Vote DP

On August 27 2023 06:19 iamperfection wrote:

he didnt say that. He even looked somewhat nervous when i brought up the vote.

On August 26 2023 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Ahh yeah well in the last game I thought it would be a great idea to remove one of the three difficult to read people so that vote just carried over.

On August 27 2023 06:45 iamperfection wrote:

yes he has dumb reasoning. I mean its possible its a joke but the reasoning he gave in thread was that dumb stuff there.

On August 27 2023 20:31 Chezinu wrote:
It seems the faceless townfolks care not what I see. Perhaps my Lord will hear me and give insights to what I saw. To the cathedral!!!

On August 27 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:


he avoided having conversation with his teammates as well. For me it's to early to see him as red

On August 28 2023 02:35 iamperfection wrote:
marv is like 60

On August 28 2023 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

Generally speaking I agree with you and didn't follow the rule as a matter of course.

It's also true that there isn't much in Chez filter in the way of actionable content and from my perspective he's AS untrustworthy as you are, perhaps more so because he 'knows better' or whatever.

If you're town and this is wrong, I hope that I get another decent read before deadline. However, I'm also hoping that you're mafia and the Rule wins the day so there's a fair amount of conf-bias that I'm fighting against - not enough to make me check out of the game, but enough to color my reads until I know one way or the other.

Long story short, my vote isn't cemented to you, but it's not there with no reason either. I'm still playing.

On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:


I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.

His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.

His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.

Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.

I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.

On August 28 2023 03:36 marvellosity wrote:
Very cocky/confident answers if he’s mafia, rayn

On August 28 2023 03:57 marvellosity wrote:

This sounds so wrong xD

On August 28 2023 03:59 Koshi wrote:
So now everybody is asleep and I am ready to do things.

On August 28 2023 04:01 marvellosity wrote:

Why do you like DMB

On August 28 2023 04:06 iamperfection wrote:
she barely posted in the game when excited to be mafia for the record.

On August 28 2023 04:10 Koshi wrote:

I still have issues with this.
It clearly was about iamp.
And he makes it about him.
Shows he is not reading carefully. But anyway.

On August 28 2023 04:28 iamperfection wrote:
do you really think a mafia DP comes into a dead thread and shits it up to put a spotlight on himself?

On August 28 2023 04:35 marvellosity wrote:
If anyone is going to, it would be him. He is a ballsy motherfucker

On August 26 2023 21:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look at how Chezinu squirms once the AI figured him out so hard. As if to say "Hey guys this game I'm going to be extra unpredictable so definitely don't ask if I'm mafia!!!"

I'm fucking watching you Chez. You always think it but it's explicitly stated this game. Your filter has its own window. O > O <

On August 26 2023 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like pregame he was all playing with the AI and now he mentions it in passing and then OH LOOK AT THIS PRETTY PICTURE!!!!


O > O <

On August 26 2023 21:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hmmmmmm.....that might not wash, right? Because like........acting extra would make the AI MORE likely to think he's mafia if we were to ask.

Whatever. He won't be able to hide for long if he's mafia. Because I'm watching. ALWAYS WATCHING.

On August 28 2023 04:48 marvellosity wrote:

That’s the point

On August 28 2023 04:47 Koshi wrote:
I don't know if I like TTT full filter though. Feels like he is waiting on something to happen and jump on it. He is making really safe/"smart" posts and I can see a sneaky mafia. Would I ever lynch TTT with that filter? No. Can I say he is not mafia? No.

On August 25 2023 18:12 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Math and IAP
In your opinion, who here has the best idea of how you play as town vs. mafia?

@VE can you describe a scenario in which your line of questioning regarding my excitement for this game results in a read one way or another? It's not clicking for me what you were looking to happen here.

On August 28 2023 04:58 iamperfection wrote:

so last min bandwagon on someone that hasnt been talked about got it

On August 28 2023 04:58 mathenalin wrote:
I think VE is a good choice. Hes been lacklustre and his weird vote on me and chez rules reasoning is super terrible. Glad others have confirmed my feeling.
Vote: VisceraEyes

On August 28 2023 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Make a special note of any hard opinions you find in the first part, I was unable to find any

On August 28 2023 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah sorry, it was even my own question initially lol
I got confused in your filter since you were talking about VE's vote just before.

On August 28 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why would you need to find more than one mafia D1?
I havent accused many players either. Probably less than him at that time. Am i mafia too?

On August 28 2023 05:28 mathenalin wrote:
If VE is now here and making a contribution that isnt lynching me then I would rather lynch chez over anyone else.

On August 28 2023 16:28 DarthPunk wrote:


Did anyone say this??

On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.

Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.

I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.

I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.

On August 28 2023 16:39 DarthPunk wrote:


Yeah I never said this.

I call bullshit.

On August 28 2023 08:47 DarthPunk wrote:


What you think of mathenalin?

On August 28 2023 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty sure Koshi is not mafia iamp.

On August 28 2023 04:10 Koshi wrote:

I still have issues with this.
It clearly was about iamp.
And he makes it about him.
Shows he is not reading carefully. But anyway.

On August 28 2023 10:19 iamperfection wrote:

your acting like you know chez is going to flip green

On August 28 2023 03:43 marvellosity wrote:

It’s not the niceness that disturbs me. His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously.

On August 28 2023 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the Mathenalis shit looks even worse in contrast to this:

On August 28 2023 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean i know he said he is suspicious of Chezinu in the post where he voted for mathenalin, but i didn't even remember reading those posts at the start of the game.

There should be no reason pretty much why Chezinu should be even remotely off his "watching hook".

On August 28 2023 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Also come on VE.

It's still shitty as hell to say he's scum because he doesn't have any suspicion towards other players except the only player you have suspicions on aside of him...

On August 28 2023 08:25 iamperfection wrote:

ve basically basically told the town to go fuck themselves so don't see why anyone can say that's not a good lynch.

On August 28 2023 18:10 DarthPunk wrote:
By the way I was clearly the only person really trying to find another lynch at the time. So I’m not sure why I need to pay for the sin of lynching chezinu.

On August 28 2023 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.

1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.

2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.

On August 27 2023 21:55 DarthPunk wrote:


Isn't she clearly talking about last game?

She is saying,

1.) last game he also avoided speaking with his team mates. in addition to trolling etc.

and

2.) Its too early to see him as red.

So she isn't using it as a basis for a read.

On August 28 2023 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this is so horrible... so very horrible.

On August 28 2023 19:52 marvellosity wrote:

38…

On August 28 2023 20:09 marvellosity wrote:

Happy to hear you’re always gonna be older than me xx

Lots of thread to catch up on today, so will respond to any new posts but nothing else till I’ve finished thread

On August 28 2023 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
Can I just say that chez’s red/blue blindness is such weak sauce. Obvs day 1 is difficult but it’s an annoying cop out.

And that’s on top of the fact there are plenty of people (waves) who play blue the same as green…

On August 28 2023 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
Obvs day 1 is difficult but it’s an annoying cop out.

On August 28 2023 20:30 marvellosity wrote:

You know what cop out means?

On August 28 2023 20:30 marvellosity wrote:

It’s just an excuse for not trying. Only way to cure such a ‘blindness’ is through effort and repetition. Because red and blue are very much different. Not making any sort of useful point to the game here, just slightly irritated.

On August 28 2023 20:33 marvellosity wrote:

Cop out = lame excuse not to make best effort

On August 28 2023 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It’s just an excuse for not trying. Only way to cure such a ‘blindness’ is through effort and repetition. Because red and blue are very much different. Not making any sort of useful point to the game here, just slightly irritated.

On August 28 2023 20:46 marvellosity wrote:

Yeah there was sincerity.

I also feel VE’s posts were sincere even though they were useless. It doesn’t look like maf-VE defending himself tbh. Almost /because/ the posts were useless. That dumb fist bump post… I think that’s great play if he is indeed mafia… to drop that basically in total isolation? Was I lynching him for being bad after all? Completely different defence on him this time (I’m bad) vs last time (I’m just so right about vivax guys!!!)

On August 28 2023 20:48 marvellosity wrote:

Yeah but you gotta explain what you’re saying

On August 28 2023 21:03 DarthPunk wrote:


Rayn address this please, as I am about to spend a lot of time addressing you, it's the least you can do in return.

On August 28 2023 21:10 marvellosity wrote:
Downgrading town lean on Vivax also. Chez called out iamp and Vivax saying ‘they should know better’. Think iamp is town though. Skimmed Vivax’s filter v quickly and I’m not sure there’s anything in there he couldn’t do as mafia

On August 28 2023 21:10 marvellosity wrote:

Why

On August 28 2023 21:11 DarthPunk wrote:


I didn't disregard it, I thought it was a good pickup, you also need to remember though, I am making a conclusion based on all the posts after that post by VE which is where I thought:
1.) he could actually hold those contradictory positions and not be mafia.
2.) his appeal to emotion/being bad whatever felt genuine and not what I would expect him to do as mafia, Like in endures 1 that guy was crazy trolling fake claiming etc, he genuinely loves playing as scum, didn't read anything but defeat from a town that feels dead and buried.

I don't think the confidence you had in it was warranted however, it was not a slam dunk read ever in my opinion.




I thought Math and TTT were better lynches and both were likely to flip scum.

I wanted to lynch chezinu over VE.

I tried to push TTT when I saw that DMB was on him and would not swap, but there was no traction, it was never going to happen, particularly with Perfection a very vocal proponent of the Chez lynch,

And i thought lynching chez would at least, clear the thread of the tunnelling, the memeing, AI etc a bit so was healthy for the game even if he was town.

But yeah, I think this is all clear when you read the events. Not sure why it's not clear to you TBH.

On August 28 2023 21:25 DarthPunk wrote:



Also I don't think being open to different perspectives on posts that are written by people not speaking their native language is bad, I think it is kind, and inclusive.

You do realize you have called me bad and mafia every game that we have played this year, right?

and in exactly zero of these games have I been bad or mafia.

Something to reflect on.

On August 28 2023 21:34 DarthPunk wrote:


Agree with this/

On August 28 2023 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No. (i get to do this now)

On August 28 2023 21:38 DarthPunk wrote:

Yes, I am good at the game, i knew Chez was town, must be TMI lol.

On August 28 2023 21:38 marvellosity wrote:

We can argue about this tomorrow (possibly)

On August 29 2023 03:03 Vivax wrote:


Why?

There's that post where covertly claimed VT but that's not really a reason for him to have been town.

On September 07 2023 15:38 marvellosity wrote:
Gg.

Mixture of two things for me:

1. If I’m American or Australian I win by changing my NK around deadline
2. My confidence is lower these days so I just assumed DP had caught me and underestimated how strong my position was. Oops!

On September 07 2023 16:02 marvellosity wrote:

Koshi wanted it

On September 07 2023 16:03 Grackaroni wrote:
It was actually Koshi/LS that chose to night kill you. Marv wanted to kill Iamp for having the best reads.

On September 07 2023 16:15 iamperfection wrote:

I had the other two in night 1 post

On August 27 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Marv i had some restrictions early on, namely the "No" post where he after that somehow felt the need to wxplain the "no" for some reason. Idk it felt unnecessary. [...].

On September 07 2023 16:23 iamperfection wrote:
Ve flipping town made me think I was shit though.

On September 07 2023 16:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I really don’t understand how koshis case could possibly convince you Rayn 😅

On September 07 2023 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:


That would have been vivax kingmaking. I had him as blue since night 1

On September 10 2023 09:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
"Please don't lynch my daddy he's one of the good guys!"

When she was like 5. She's going to be 16 this year. That's 11 years of manipulation training and deception detection workshops.