TL Endures Mafia II

On June 07 2023 22:51 Hapahauli wrote:
/in

On June 09 2023 17:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well i don't really care about you scumreading me, unless you are mafia with exactly marv and hapa and that's quite a low possiblity.

On June 09 2023 16:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is a bad read. Not saying Slam is mafia but Slam would probably post exactly what he did as mafia if LS is town.

On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls.

On June 10 2023 04:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Reading the thread again, and if there’s anything that sticks out to me as suspicious it is the MZ entrance post I previously referenced. I have bolded everything substantive and italicized everything useless. A lot of words that are designed to look good but are not.

On June 10 2023 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Does it bother you other people like marv say i am angry?

On June 10 2023 17:58 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Marv

*LS basically C&Ped a town post from another game as his opener.
*LS asked for opinions on the CC vs DP drama being forced, when opinions on this had already been posted
*When pressured, LS said that one of CC or DP was forcing the convo, but couldn't tell which one, only that it was red vs. green

On June 13 2023 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:

Marv are you able to parse the bs between CC and DP and TTT?

On June 10 2023 23:44 DarthPunk wrote:

Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax!

On June 11 2023 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't see any problems with her train of thought especially in the argument with you. Sure probably not all the things are right but i believe she genuinely believes in what she says. Your case is mostly about her having a strong town read on me. I don't necessarily think it's impossible for her to have a town read on me, and the town read doesn't even need to be strong to question you on the things she did (which started from like the same thing i started questioning you).

Hell i would have done the same i did if you asked your question towards anyone but me, even if i didn't have a town read on them.

On June 13 2023 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Short answer from my part would be he seems more "happy" than last game.

On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch.



In between here LS claims.

Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?

On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead.

On June 13 2023 05:40 Vivax wrote:


Maybe we should lynch him then lol.

I‘m currently genuinely unwilling of looking at Slam/Chez as a team.

On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Does nobody really see all the problems in this post?

I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post.

On June 13 2023 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You'll have to wait until tomorrow morning though, since i need to work too, and it's gonna take time to put everything together.

On June 13 2023 05:56 CopCake wrote:
Btw Vayoletta have you caught up?

On June 13 2023 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My biggest fear is that both of you and marv are mafia. It's not impossible given how marv treats you <-> me. I don't understand how you are "more townie" than i am, since we have had basically same reads aside from Cake. You having been more "thread boss" shouldn't mean shit.

On June 13 2023 12:48 Chezinu wrote:


This is the way.

On June 13 2023 11:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also his Vivax read sounds like "i wanna say vivax is town but don't listen to Vivax just pls ignore him".

On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
Aight. I think I'm a goner.

Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.

When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.

DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.

MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.

Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.

Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.

Good luck town whoever tf you are <3

On June 13 2023 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

these:


best posts you made entire game.

On June 13 2023 19:19 CopCake wrote:
Btw I am not town cleared by rayn, he thinks that only vivax and LS are his 10000% town reads.

Other people are having additional reads on chezinu and marv.

I could lynch marv, I think I made a mistake on chezinu.

On June 13 2023 19:37 Vivax wrote:
I think I‘m comfortable with a rayn and DP town bloc for today.

Yesterday I was drunk posting, today I‘m realizing that some things never change, like losing my shit over marv‘s sky-high arrogance.

Him making reads over whether they pushed/defended DMB is still nonsense he didn‘t even bother adressing and I think DP has been exceedingly biased in how he handled him. He‘s essentially making it futile to float marv as lynch today.

I think MZs posting has deteriorated and I noticed a bunch of players saying that his posting has improved (DP, Chez I think but I need to recheck) which I can‘t agree with.
Will expand on what I think of him within this day.

Specifically I was bothered by his post about me cause I‘m not playing adhering to my tryhard meta at all times and that should show. So when someone compliments me in that way during a more fun oriented approach in order to town me it sets off red flags.

Busy for a bit but these are my good morning thoughts

On June 13 2023 20:44 Vivax wrote:


I needed a reply to this, marv.
If I call you arrogant it‘s because I assume I don‘t seem important enough to you for you to consider my posts.

And while some things don‘t make sense to you or DP, they do to the beings who possess universal knowledge.

On June 13 2023 23:12 Vivax wrote:


You called one of my posts nonsense and I asked which one you meant, then proceeded to clear yourself for something you did around DMB which was wifom at best.

On June 13 2023 23:22 Alakaslam wrote:

I agree with this. But I brown read the chez.

On June 13 2023 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How am i wrong on #1, noone wants to touch that shit with a pole and it's the most damning evidence.


I am gonna look that up when i wake up, gotta sleep soon.


Please elaborate, i can't understand even when i look up "twice as weird", i mean like i get what it means i think, but i don't understand how he uses it there as town given his earlier and later posts.

On June 13 2023 23:26 CopCake wrote:


1.- Vivax read is ?????? Considering everybody else is tricky, this feels like let’s just throw something here

2.- Rayn has been very vocal, dp is town leader in rayns absence so he is town but rayn is not town leader so he is a tricky read?

Try to explain me this marv

On June 13 2023 03:36 Vayoletta wrote:
Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly.

My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz.

I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material.

I hope I did not forget anyone.

On June 14 2023 00:15 Vivax wrote:


I don‘t believe this dude read my filter and found himself nodding along with it and then leaving me at null.

That has to be a lie with a fake read along with it cause he should’ve been turned into an hysterical bobblehead at minimum. I also think I’m far from coherent.

On June 14 2023 00:56 Chezinu wrote:
I got busy talking to someone in RL towards the end of Day 1. But we got the blue, so all good.

On June 14 2023 00:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Thank fuck I felt like I was taking crazy pills for a bit.

The way people call Vayoletta scummy then refuse to vote her reminds me of how LS skated along last game.

Also I don't buy TTT's giving up post halfway through the day.

I could very easily see a Vayoletta/TTT/Chez team at this point with all 3 of them attempting to soft bus each other to varying degrees.

On June 14 2023 00:23 Vivax wrote:


Oh, poor comprehension on my part. I blame my goofy mood.
Nevertheless that commentary on me didn‘t lead him anywhere while I think it should. If I recall correctly, at the time I had TTT in my crosshairs so if he agreed with me like he said he did that shouldn‘t be a null.

I‘m going to opt for the rare and illustrious vayo vote with you but I‘m open to voring MZ at EoD for that post alone cause I don‘t believe him.

##Vote: Vayoletta

On June 14 2023 01:28 Vivax wrote:


I don‘t discount it. MZ has still to place a vote and when the circle tightens and nobody is around to like your dog, mafia needs to include teammates in suspect circles but shys away from voting them.

If TTT and Vayo both were mafia, that‘d make MZ the deepscum for a shot at lategame. And they can still do enough at EoD to steer the titanic away from themselves.

I don‘t think I need to explain why EoD-centric activity peaks are more likely to be from mafia. But we‘ll see.

On June 14 2023 04:42 Vayoletta wrote:
I think rayn trended upwards today.

On June 14 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens.

On June 14 2023 05:13 LightningStrike wrote:

It is a bit fragmented but there is a super majority on TTT by 2 votes.

On June 14 2023 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not really, it looks like you think he is mafia as well?

On June 14 2023 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The whole thing of not looking at evidence stinks this game more than last game. Last game he has probably misread something and made a conclusion based on his own world view (his own misreading posts / situation).

This game he immediately takes me saying "cake always reads me as scum when i am town" at face value, which is already weird. There is nothing to "read" there even. then Cake comes, posts a couple of her games and says "look TTT, here, what rayn is saying is not correct". He simply just refuses to even contribute to the evidence provided to him.

I find the situation in comparison to last game very different. In last game you could argue it's a matter of interpretation (while it's really not), but you COULD, as TTT think it is. This game there is no room for that.

On June 14 2023 05:25 DarthPunk wrote:


Let’s talk about how disconnected from the game this post is please

On June 14 2023 14:43 DarthPunk wrote:
But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.

(not saying I'm on the same level as these guys or anything)

I guess if i HAD to lynch into one of Rayn or Marv, I would lynch Rayn, because I respect his scum play more.

I really really don't think a time stressed marv would be able to keep up as Scum. (unless he has more energy and engagement with scum play than he used to.)

On June 14 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:


I think I was the only person really engaged at the end. Rayn a little as well. So not dramatic at all.

On June 14 2023 17:28 DarthPunk wrote:
We can’t just have people go oh well if Rayn or Marv or do are scum go I guess. We are all catchable

On June 14 2023 17:32 TankTopTiger wrote:
So if there is another blue role, they sort of "know" or have reason to consider LS red, even if they are not themselves tracker?

And in that position (and I'm not claiming this), they know he's mostly gimped and they may not want to claim based on the likelihood that they've correctly guessed the setup? In the meantime, they get to take their actions and still can claim against him down the road?

Him being blue is based on seriously not much and I'm getting heaped on for not assuming him town yesterday. I was almost lynched partially based on not assuming him town.

You set it up so that if someone did hang on to their blue role, they wouldn't be believed if they counterclaimed him later. Unless I'm missing something, both you and Rayn were being stupid on this.

On June 14 2023 17:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Marv and I are tied for smallest filter with 4 pages. Last game by the time he died he had a 26 page filter.

On June 14 2023 18:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So Marv who's scum now, Chez? Maybe rayn? Hard to tell from your filter but I might be tired

On June 14 2023 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

OK I found this.

So you have noticed it but it's not throwing any alarm bells for you.

For both you and TTT, do you guys think scum have been actively influencing either of the lynches so far or do you think they've just been sliding by letting town lynch town?

Obviously TTT if you are town then scum didn't really have a lot to worry about yesterday it would seem.

On June 14 2023 18:13 TankTopTiger wrote:
You could have left that last statement out and tested me on it MZ.

It's not clear to me whether they skated D1. It was a chaotic lynch. My money would be on that they didn't, because I find it unlikely LS, CC, and DP are all town. We shot with a flak cannon and it is just unlikely that no mafia were clipped at all. But DP did his chaos roulette thing, and I'm not sure how familiar people are with that, so whether or not they felt the need to actually step in is... Wifom basically.

D2 they breezed no question. Without having actually sifted through the votes, I think there would be more scum on my wagon. No shade on Vayo, but I wouldn't be surprised if people feared me late game more than Vayo who nobody has meta on and was mostly lurking/absent and giving unfounded reads. I pushed four cases last game and three were red. Regardless of whether that was lucky or not (it was), scum team would see me struggling early and seize the opportunity to not have to find out whether I can reproduce it.

On June 14 2023 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:


I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.

On June 14 2023 18:30 DarthPunk wrote:


Vivax had stated real reasons why he would rather lynch ttt over Vayo and Rayn asks him to swap and he does immediately.

Hypothetically If maf were trying to keep wagons close and still lynch ttt vivax is sus.

On June 14 2023 18:30 DarthPunk wrote:


Nah the switch back to Vayo to secure a town ! Ttt lynch.

On June 14 2023 18:35 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv do you also think I was wrong on Copcake?

On June 14 2023 19:47 TankTopTiger wrote:
Obviously, I'm not communicating well. I'll write the explanation for clarity but I'm dropping it otherwise.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2023 20:05 TankTopTiger wrote:


Including the fake C&P opener and being able to tell that a conversation is forced without being able to tell the direction of that force? We were just about to lynch him and now you're saying he's the greenest man alive.

Any other of you vibey folk verify this read? Does it make sense? Because I can' evaluate this shit I'm not built that way and don't understand LS's meta.

On June 14 2023 21:31 TankTopTiger wrote:
If you want marv, after this game I would be interested in reviewing what you said that I ignored game 1. As much as I make fun of you, my tunnel on you whiffing did me psychological damage. I felt gaslit by reality tbh.

On June 15 2023 17:23 TankTopTiger wrote:


Now that I think of it, we have a lot of paired-up players. Chez+Slam, Rayn+Vayo+CC, TTT+DP, Vivax+DMB. It didn't really occur to me until now. So the likelihood that no mafia started in a pair is basically non-existent.

DP, the only world in which Hap is NKed if I'm mafia D1 is if Marv is also mafia. I could never hope to live this long against you as maf, at the time Rayn had just shown himself very capable, and Marv is talked about in envious whispers every time he walks past. There's too many people I would want dead and (sorry guys) I just wouldn't respect anybody else's opinion enough not to force the kill on one of you three over Hap. It turns out Hap was a good target, but I wouldn't trust anyone not in leadership to make that call for me at that time.

So if I'm mafia, Marv is mafia.

@CC
Have you played with Hap before or nah? You seemed salty earlier about me not continuing the line of questioning. Was that just salt or had I stopped your response?

On June 15 2023 17:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Marv
I know DP is a strong scummer when red. But could he fake this level of involvement? I know him IRL, but I've never seen his red game in forum mafia. I've also never seen him put this much effort into... anything recreational at all. He is a nervous wreck and it's not healthy. I can't see him doing this as scum, but I can see him super worried about the damage his ego will take if he gets clean-swept. Am I mistaken?

On June 15 2023 19:49 DarthPunk wrote:



3 posts later...



This has bothered me for ages.

Fixed

On June 15 2023 20:10 TankTopTiger wrote:


Can I just get clarification here?

+MZ had two reads: Vayo and LS.
+LS claims
+MZ doubles down on "policy lynching" Vayo, his other read
+Rayn misreads this as him abandoning his second read
+Marv thinks this is a good take

This is what happened? Because if it is, this is super solid.

On June 15 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Also you called Marv out early on avoiding/ignoring answering you. I have been quietly thinking about that ever since. And it's pretty much true and part of the reason I think he is mafia now.

On June 15 2023 20:39 DarthPunk wrote:
If marv is mafia he is probably more active in the mafia discord than in the thread would be my guess.

On June 15 2023 22:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I just read some of my last games on here circa 2014. Man I was a little bitch and a sore loser. Quite embarrassing really.

I wonder if I will cringe the same way reading these games in 10 years.

On June 16 2023 02:44 Alakaslam wrote:

Ok fair cop sorry about this. It becomes hard to ignore though

On June 16 2023 02:45 marvellosity wrote:
Yeah in some way it’s helpful there’s a case on me in the thread. I’m a bit lost this game as I’m not sure TTT looks maf, honestly I like his reaction to DP’s case more than I like the stuff DP said himself. Which means PoE is looking quite horrific for me, which means I am probably wrong on one or multiple townreads, which is a bloody ego drain I could do without.

DP?!?! Vivax?!?! Brings Slam back in too.

On June 16 2023 02:52 Alakaslam wrote:

He let's people do as they will so long as they aren't shamefully stupid iirc. Unless it is a newbie in which he is coaching.

He was REALLY strong mafia player for a while and fell off but afaics his towngame hadn't

On June 16 2023 03:13 Vivax wrote:


I prefer ‚the flat earth society has members all around the globe‘

I saw that one somewhere.

Marv has grown so zen that I don‘t want to ask him how I‘m town without having infuriated him.

Well, maybe I did. A bit.

On June 16 2023 03:15 CopCake wrote:
It is the 6 pack that get him to be zen

On June 16 2023 03:20 Vivax wrote:


Maybe but I need to see what DaddyPunk says cause I still have third degree burns from just his shade and if that feeling ever leaves I‘m sure I‘ll notice and can stop peeking from behind curtains.

On June 16 2023 05:35 Alakaslam wrote:

M_Z starts saying thing

You know what fuck it I'm not gonna have brain to be helpful anyway. Lynch me here before Lylo I hate this position worse than MZ does.

I scum slipped pile on, my scum buddies are Marv and LS his fakeclaim is so badass you all believe it even me too, look at how he just peaced out and never says "roleblocked" or "tracked person"

Watch me go bus now, I will host since that doesn't require as much time and I love doing this but hate doing this TO towns

On June 16 2023 06:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Marv does this change anything for you in terms of who is the scum team?

On June 16 2023 07:21 DarthPunk wrote:


That’s nice of you Marv even though it takes the shine out of lynching you properly this time.

On June 16 2023 07:26 DarthPunk wrote:
I actually think you did really well Marv, the activity excuse before role pms was pretty powerful.

On June 16 2023 07:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Unless there is scum in you or TTT I think the game has too many quasi confirmed people for scum to win so I'd be good calling it a draw. Doesn't really feel like a fair town win at this point although for very selfish personal reasons I'm annoyed bc I think I had the remaining team nailed.

On June 16 2023 07:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Marv I feel like the mislynch against you last game bought you a lot of breathing room this game. Especially since the remaining (presumably) town players were some of the main forces against you.

I know I personally didn't want to repeat a mistake from last time.

On June 16 2023 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:


I guess when I play this game haha.

You know in my career though I have been in the early years sector (birth to five) and am generally considered a caring and empathetic person.

Funny huh. This game is allows me to express an alter ego or something

On June 16 2023 07:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

You're not supposed to say anything alignment related until the host says something

On June 16 2023 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:
To be honest guys it's my fault how this game ended I should of just ignored like I should of

On June 16 2023 07:32 DarthPunk wrote:


All good dude.

We all love slam and I think seeing that post took the air out of everyone’s sails.

On June 16 2023 07:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Sorry for being feisty towards you. I was just frustrated bc at this point in the game I was never gonna lynch you regardless of slams post.

On June 16 2023 07:45 DarthPunk wrote:


Yeah I thought I had but I got yelled at about being bad.

She would have been next when you flipped

Dunno about vivax though

On June 16 2023 07:52 die_meatbaby wrote:


I am his girlfriend I see there was shit going on between this two. slightly ignored each other in the game. Didn't question each other like all other players do and wasn't sure about marv but damnnnn I got 2 of 3 sadly in Obs

On June 16 2023 07:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I think DP, TTT, and to a lesser extent myself get one single solitary "I told you so" to rayn.

So rayn... I told you so ❤️

On June 16 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
DP you did a masterful job this game not getting pulled down the mislynch rabbit hole on both myself and TTT. That would have been a clean cut scum win if you had.

On June 16 2023 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@scum team were you guys actually NKing people to make me look bad or is this a very self centered perception?

I can't look at discord until I get home

On June 16 2023 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
I actually feel like I played pretty well considering.

Was fun.

Can’t wait for one and scum thread.

I guess I was so right on cc day one I could not be nk?

On June 16 2023 08:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Game in August anyone?

On June 16 2023 08:04 Rels wrote:
I might be wrong, but I don't think I can give access to the discord server where the obs and scum chats are

On June 16 2023 19:44 Vivax wrote:
Me + DMB in games is a bit dangerous as we‘re used to joking around in ways most of you would probably consider offensive. Like you have no idea.

On June 19 2023 15:39 Alakaslam wrote:
I visited with my daughter today