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 come back friend.I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. | ||
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On May 23 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote: I am refreshing my iPad more than I care to mention. And working hard obvs. So how did the meta evolve since I last played? On May 23 2023 19:27 marvellosity wrote: Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion: It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this: On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote: If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text. It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance. I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me. On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote: If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green. On May 24 2023 02:31 marvellosity wrote: Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well. It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line. And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler + useless in the context of the game <3 | ||
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On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3. 1) [UoN]Sentinel 2) Alakaslam 3) Chezinu 4) Vivax 5) LightningStrike 6) DarthPunk 7) Onegu 8) Koshi 9) die_meatbaby 10) raynpelikoneet 11) Meapak_Ziphh 12) marvellosity 13) VisceraEyes I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv. I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads. MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that. Ok let's walk through this so that I understand. You say that there's one mafia between Marv/DarthPunk and it's probably DP, does that mean you'd want to lynch Marv if DP flipped town? I'm always a little hesitant to accept reasoning like that. Right now I've got a slight town read on DP but if we lynched Marv and he flipped green, I don't think that would necessarily be alignment indicative to DP. | ||
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On May 24 2023 02:46 LightningStrike wrote: Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you? I don't think so at all, the MB discussion provided plenty of opportunities for people to come up with reads (again I'm in the "slight town" category) but Marv just danced around and asked questions rather than provide reads. So yes, the conversation was productive and Marv was also a useless part of it. | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:33 marvellosity wrote: For my own curiosity, can you make the other alignment argument based on my posting so far? How might that read? Bro..... all that and you just asked me a question lol. But for the thought experiment, I think I could make an argument for a town alignment if you were actually taking the answers people were giving you and forming reads based on them. You just really haven't done that, posts drawing conclusions from the answers you've received are missing and that's what's wrong with your filter when I read it. If you had posts like that and your conclusions made logical sense I'd probably townread you or at least not be actively scumreading you. But in their absence it just looks like you're making very 'easy' posts for lack of a better word that aren't going to ruffle any feathers and make it look like you're participating in scum hunting. | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:34 marvellosity wrote: You realise getting someone to give answers - by asking questions - is what allows others to make reads? It's not your job to make reads for others, its your job as a townie to come up with your own reads based on the thread as you read it. If you're asking questions it should be with the intention of refining or correcting your own reads. You still haven't been able to provide even one "I think I'm leaning scum on person X" post that you're willing to stand behind. DarthPunk doesn't count because you're not willing to stand behind it. | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not usually one to draw it out like that either, that's just how I'm seeing things now...and like I said it's kinda moot right now because I don't want to lynch either of them. They're both maf players that will help me catch their teammates at least early on, so I'm into letting them. That reasoning is....commonplace, so marv taking issue with it is...interesting. He REALLY don't like the idea of lynching into lurkers it seems, which makes me WAAAAAAY more into doing so. Like I said, he helping me out :D Hmmm ok I can't townread you anymore. This is... not great if you think someone is mafia, even if they're the most mafia ever and it's gonna be a quiet day because they're so obvious there won't be much discussion, you still lynch the people you are sure are scum. Like if you believe marv is mafia you should be wanting to lynch him ASAP even if for some reason you feel his anti lurker lynching stance is helping you. | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:46 marvellosity wrote: It’s not a townie’s job to help other townies make reads. Better to leave them in the dark. Got it MZ👌 I’m aware this is incredibly WIFOM, but do you not think a mafia marv is capable of making reads (and further, forseeing it might be necessary)? The way you help townies make reads is by providing your own and then discussing them, not by just asking questions for the sake of questions. I'm honestly not even going to address that second part until you can give me one tiny read on someone who's not DP. At least you're aware of how bad that WIFOM is. | ||
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On May 24 2023 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I know you've played with BC before MZ, this is HOW he plays and I've seen the merit of it over many games. I accept that marv is mostly not lynchable D1, and I'm not interested in getting into a shitfest trying to make that happen - it will probably just get ME lynched. DP is in a similar place, but for his activity vs game-solvability. And because I don't know WHICH or IF either one is maf, I'm just not interested in pursuing that today. You can dislike my playstyle, but it's not scummy. It's just my playstyle. I hate hate hate the fact that your last line is right especially since you said the bit in red. This definitely does sound like town!VE that I remember from years ago but that doesn't stop me from not feeling good about it. I have plenty of people I'd rather try and lynch D1 instead of you anyway. I want you to write out why you were initially finding DarthPunk scum. | ||
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On May 24 2023 06:24 die_meatbaby wrote: Sorry was working last few hours... You really think they going to make a new girl directly mafia? I heard most of you weren't playing in years in this game is like legendary rematch after years... you think they taking the chance to ruin this game and make a new member (who never played) a mafia? The bolded part is bad since I can easily see a brand new scum player using that as a reason to defend themselves before learning that the roles are randomized. This is the kind of stuff that's made me go back and forth with my read of meatbaby so far. | ||
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On May 24 2023 07:25 Koshi wrote: MZ what do you make of VE finding a friend in you because of similar reads and him biting back at marv in a playful manner? I think VE switching from wanting DarthPunk to Marv as his most likely scum does come across as a little convenient, especially since I offered him a tiny olive branch in my first post to see if he'd play ball. However his posts regarding his own playstyle does sound familiar to me and reminded of all the times that I accidentally misslynched him years ago. Like I said in one of my previous posts, I'm not fully clearing him as town for a second time, but I think there are higher priorities for me than VE. | ||
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On May 24 2023 07:29 Koshi wrote: Also imho marv is looking more and more as a sponge absoring information and potentially making it rain knowledge while dp is just sitting in marv's ass doing nothing. So this 1 mafia in marv/dp theory is not so horrible. I will have to reread DarthPunk, I remember seeing some stuff I liked but I'll give it a second pass. I know marv is trying to give off the impression of soaking up knowledge but I would really like to see some actual rain before I give him credit for his strategy because until then I'm not buying it. If you're thinking in the same direction as VE with the 1 town 1 scum, what do you think of him not wanting to lynch into that group D1? | ||
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On May 24 2023 07:44 Koshi wrote: Why was mebaby bolded green if she is a back and forth? I didn't bold her green? I think you mixed me up with someone else. I really like this DarthPunk post In answer to your question in this post DP, I think I would entertain a LightningStrike lynch and probably Vivax as well. Slam looks decently town On May 24 2023 13:31 Alakaslam wrote: Ok wait then what did I miss? Why is there 2 onegu votes and like some Koshi vote? Thank you for pointing this out, wtf VE? Did I miss your explanation for voting onegu? I hate when people plop down votes and don't explain them. Here is another excellent DP post, it synthesizes my feelings on LightningStrike very well. On May 24 2023 16:02 DarthPunk wrote: Nor the vote switch to Onegu after being so sure about vivax/rayn It's weird to me that both VE and DMB ended up on the same lurker, I would love some explanation for this. On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote: The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore. I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head. Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others. Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in). Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach. That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what. On May 24 2023 17:14 marvellosity wrote: First post of the game on a computer for me, hurrah! And first post of today with clothes on, you'll all be thrilled to hear. I'm going to summarise where I'm at. Koshi and rayn seem pretty-to-very town to me, at least if they are not I am not going to be catching them very soon. rayn thinks what I think a good bunch of the time. Koshi loves to vote for me d1 as town (not that that's the reason for the read, but ya know) DP I am no longer particularly suspicious of, I don't think I have a reason to be. VE I don't think I am suspicious of either. Some of his posts are very ?????? to me, but I don't think that makes him mafia. VE loves a big or crazy sort of play as mafia and he's not afraid to put himself out there, but I don't think it's like this? Vivax I am unsure of. Tonally I think he looks fairly town, but before I looked at his filter just now I'm at least somewhat suspicious of him. It feels to me that a town-Vivax should be using all his irl leverage to really question and dig into MB's alignment, rather than giving occasional summaries of his thoughts. I just imagine myself in Vivax's position - I would want nothing more than to determine the alignment of my friend. I did re-read his filter though and it also didn't scream mafia particularly apart from that, random comment about MB being mafia spews me town, is that something he writes as mafia? Slam could be anything (if there's a way to tell that I can't remember, enlighten me). LS I am also very null on. MB I don't have much else to add than what Koshi said and my response to what Koshi said not long ago. Could easily be mafia, meatbaby - I really encourage you to post your thoughts and reasoning behind them as much as possible today MZ I think is mafia. It was floating around in my brain yesterday, but the case against me at least looked clean and (some) of his posts maybe looked okay, so I wasn't sure how to pinpoint what I was thinking. But rayn's comments about MZ and how his posting style appeared to him in past games really resonated to me and helped me make sense of my thoughts. Actually his case against me is too clean/obvious, and I don't think he's actually trying to discern my alignment. I think he is playing the way an old-school scum player plays, relatively unruffly comments, targeting someone (me) that has at least some thread traction, a case that 'makes sense' but doesn't dig any further. ##vote: MZ P.S. I am slightly sad that we have 2 non-posters, I hope at least 2 mafia sit in the people actually playing, or it's gonna be sucky. These posts from my top scum read and from one my top suspects come 2 minutes apart lmao. You guys are gonna come after me for having a case that's "too well written?" like are you joking? I'm not going to respond to this. Come up with something real lmao. On May 24 2023 17:17 marvellosity wrote: and now Vivax agrees & with the same reasoning on MZ. So I guess I should like him for that. oh my god what a crazy coincidence!!! Marv your first reads post is essentially you saying "I'm null on anyone.... OMGUS Meapak." Zero changes to my read. Page 25-30 was an absolute cesspool and I'm now ready to lynch DMB. I'm also loving this post from koshi On May 24 2023 21:07 Koshi wrote: So it is a fucking lie that the cruise game was marv mafia tearing it up On May 24 2023 21:12 die_meatbaby wrote: Yeah I saw he didn't win, but you still going hard on him when you go through the posts their. Def. not lazy On May 24 2023 19:34 die_meatbaby wrote: Not shure yet. I got out from the first pages here that some of you Koshi and forgot the second one (will check later again) that you where directly a little scared of him. Scared like he scamed you guys in an old game. I checkd his profil and games where he was in i was right and Koshi answerd that the fact i just got in my head was true so he won in an old game. he like switch for me. He´s silend and write less than you or koshi. writing less is for shure more safe as mafia and i would write less as well. But right now i don´t want to make an opinion on him, because he not that super active. If if he almost ignores my random bullshit and just don´t give a fuck seems suspicious. Because he didn´t got triggerd. I wanted to trigger you all, to see who is town. becauce nonsence trigger all kind of people and function very well and easy at the same time. You and Koshi but so much engerie to understand my nonseense writing, meanse you are town. Hope this helps you It feels like DMB got caught bad here trying to stick by this idea that we're all scared of Marv and just made some stuff up to fit her narrative. On May 24 2023 20:51 Koshi wrote: You guys are so gullible or just mafia. Holy mozes. She reads rayn and vivax mafia for the dumbest reason - gets a pass cuz new - She meta reads a situation perfectly if all protagonist are town even though the persons in this situation are mafia in her head. -She gets some flak finally- She invents a reason why she meta read like she did "research and reading filters" - she gets a pass for trying- lolololololololol fml Yeah idk why more people aren't focusing on this, I know the thread has been clogged up pretty badly but some of this stuff egregious. I'll be honest I'm not really going to be reading DMB's posts, I'll be skimming at best. On May 25 2023 00:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Wake up in the morning Get out of bed Gotta get my vote on I can sleep more when I'm dead Voting on a no poster He'll probably be replaced I wonder if they'll modkill Is this shit freebased? I'm filtering vivax Marv koshi dp DP looking better That's a good thing to see Marvs first post at pc Looks way more like Marv It's fully NAI But it means his lynch train can starve now I've got the blues Those filter diving blues It's my Saturday you fuckers who wants to read up on yous? Not me I've got the blues Filter diving blues Will there even be shit in here for me to use? I was really curious to see what would happen when VE came back to the thread and conversation had shifted from Marv/DP to someone else and it worries me to see he's now townreading both of them. This feels very opportunistic and a way for him to back out of these reads. VE can you please show me the posts that Marv/DP made which changed your mind that one of them has to be red? On May 25 2023 01:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivax seemed fine with meat Until this post here....then the tone shifts dramatically. It's less about trying to figure out meat's alignement and seems way more like trying to justify the eventual vote. This bears out in following posts, I won't post them all because they all say the same thing. I'll summarize: "Hum haw, I think meat is meat and gawrsh I feel bad but out of my hands, talk to rayn/koshi! *shrugz0rz*" ##Vote Vivax Ok but I also agree with this post, in particular his characterization of how vivax has approached DMB so far. Similar to what I was talking about during my Marv expose, VE pointing out that Vivax has attempted to call out DMB without actually passing alignment judgement and imo that's scummy as hell. On May 25 2023 02:03 Vivax wrote: Accurate. But doesn‘t make me scum. I believe it‘s understandable with some basic empathy. You don‘t exactly want to put your partner under pressure early while you think both could be town. That‘s what she did. Then again she thought we‘d be mostly shitposting judging by the recklessness. I could understand maybe a tinfoil world where we‘re both mafia and she hated the role and bussed me right off the bat but me scum+her town seems like a strange conclusion for you to make. Surely you realize this is all WIFOM. I like this post from rayn, regardless of my thoughts on Marv, Vivax, or LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + (who I just realized while writing this never did anything since the DarthPunk posts calling him out) | ||
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Koshi DarthPunk Rayn Slam Unsure: VE Lurkers Scum Marv Vivax LightningStrike Scum + policy DMB | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:01 marvellosity wrote: MZ your characterisation of what I said about you as OMGUS is weak sauce. There is no curiosity in your posts about my alignment whatsoever. With all that I wrote, that's what you take away. Man your "case" is that my posting is "too clean", that's a pretty transparent way of saying OMGUS. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:04 VisceraEyes wrote: And then jumping on DMB in spite of actually having beef with me. I suppose there's already the wagon. All right MZ. I hear you. But I still think she town, and I think Vivax not. So we can just be opposed on this one. I don't have beef with you per say I just haven't gotten all of the warm fuzzies you're 100% town. DMB is actively harming the town imo but I also think you've made some decent points about Vivax. I'm more than willing to have a conversation about it. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:05 Vivax wrote: I‘m slightly bothered by the timing of MZ +1ing VE on me. If you think that part of my post was wifom then you already have had to assume that I‘d have to resort to it, or not ? Lowkey reads like I was supposed to scumread DMB harder while you posted your opinion on her alignment after that accusation. That's really rich coming from you after Marv +1'd your suspicions of me literally 2 minutes after you posted. | ||
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Outside of me, who are your scum reads? Just the names, I literally just want you to reply with the names. | ||
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What does this mean? I've had suspicions of you since the beginning of D1. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:12 marvellosity wrote: Lynches I am entertaining today are: You DMB VE Currently very much in that order. If one of you/VE isn’t mafia I’d be fairly surprised, not because I necessarily think you’re connected, but just thread flow. Your VE read is even worse than your read on me. You went from this: On May 24 2023 17:14 marvellosity wrote: First post of the game on a computer for me, hurrah! And first post of today with clothes on, you'll all be thrilled to hear. I'm going to summarise where I'm at. Koshi and rayn seem pretty-to-very town to me, at least if they are not I am not going to be catching them very soon. rayn thinks what I think a good bunch of the time. Koshi loves to vote for me d1 as town (not that that's the reason for the read, but ya know) DP I am no longer particularly suspicious of, I don't think I have a reason to be. VE I don't think I am suspicious of either. Some of his posts are very ?????? to me, but I don't think that makes him mafia. VE loves a big or crazy sort of play as mafia and he's not afraid to put himself out there, but I don't think it's like this? Vivax I am unsure of. Tonally I think he looks fairly town, but before I looked at his filter just now I'm at least somewhat suspicious of him. It feels to me that a town-Vivax should be using all his irl leverage to really question and dig into MB's alignment, rather than giving occasional summaries of his thoughts. I just imagine myself in Vivax's position - I would want nothing more than to determine the alignment of my friend. I did re-read his filter though and it also didn't scream mafia particularly apart from that, random comment about MB being mafia spews me town, is that something he writes as mafia? Slam could be anything (if there's a way to tell that I can't remember, enlighten me). LS I am also very null on. MB I don't have much else to add than what Koshi said and my response to what Koshi said not long ago. Could easily be mafia, meatbaby - I really encourage you to post your thoughts and reasoning behind them as much as possible today MZ I think is mafia. It was floating around in my brain yesterday, but the case against me at least looked clean and (some) of his posts maybe looked okay, so I wasn't sure how to pinpoint what I was thinking. But rayn's comments about MZ and how his posting style appeared to him in past games really resonated to me and helped me make sense of my thoughts. Actually his case against me is too clean/obvious, and I don't think he's actually trying to discern my alignment. I think he is playing the way an old-school scum player plays, relatively unruffly comments, targeting someone (me) that has at least some thread traction, a case that 'makes sense' but doesn't dig any further. ##vote: MZ P.S. I am slightly sad that we have 2 non-posters, I hope at least 2 mafia sit in the people actually playing, or it's gonna be sucky. To this? On May 25 2023 02:38 marvellosity wrote: Sort of more interested in VE’s case on Vivax right now. I find it hard to believe and something doesn’t feel right about it. Or is it just me. Someone said something (Koshi?) about VE/MZ not being the same alignment, so any doubt I have on VE is now bleeding into my scumread on MZ. Marv you don't have real reads dude. Your VE line makes zero sense here, it feels like you just threw his name up there for the sake of filling space. And your other read is DMB which, lets be honest, is the easiest read in the thread to make? I can't believe after all your questions, this is what you came up with. Do you understand why I have such cognitive dissonance between the effort you put in yesterday with all the talking and your reads today? One blurb about my analysis being too clean and some nonsense about VE and I being the same but maybe a different alignment? I don't buy any of this. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like Slam's biggest "merit" in this game is to call one of your tip top scumreads conf town for basically no reason? It's a tone read, gotta be honest and no offense to slam but I don't usually dig too deep into his D1 reads. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote: On a more general, higher level about the whole game; Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out. So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here. Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:33 marvellosity wrote: It’s like you’re purposefully misrepresenting what I’m saying, because everything you’re saying I’m saying here - I’m not. I’m no longer engaging with you as whatever I say will get the same manic aggressive responses. Ok I'm sorry for being so aggressive, it's not helping the thread. I'm gonna un tunnel myself and decide between DMB and vivax or maybe LighteningStrike. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Meapak do you remember what was the last game you played here? I cant find with a quick search in database. Chezinu Streak Then a couple of games in 2019. I think there was a game in 2020 but I can't remember. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote: Pls explain your newbi what I have to do do called townie things. Beeing this agressiv and activ is to risky as mafia... I would just have played a dumb new young girl l. The fact that V voted on me and didn't think I was mafia are you guys ignoring. He said early I am def town and vote on me because of my language and I got cringed out about it. If am wrong with V as mafia than this is still a move you should think about more. With every other vote I take it as a women war in die in honor for the town. But vote on me for personal reasons is just coward The bolded part is obviously true but the fact that you bring it up means you know it and therefore you could be acting that way to fool us but we can't know which one it is soooo.... old reliable | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, here's your D1 post in that game: Why is Slam expressing different behavior so now you can tell he is town. Is it him calling your top scumread conf town, or...? Slam ended up being town last game and honestly I felt like he was playing similarly so far in this one so I felt more comfortable making a gut read. Do you think he's been suspicious so far? | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:53 marvellosity wrote: This is very true. Obvs you’re not the first person to say it but it’s a big deal. Starting to think about where I leave my vote before bed. DMB has made similar arguments several times and 24 hours ago I was more willing to let it slide as new player antics but on top of everything else now I feel like it's worth reiterating. | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, i don't know how he can be so sure marv is town at that point of the game, and you imo should definitely not be (so sure Slam is town -- or like any sure at all as you think marv is mafia). I don't need my town reads to agree with all my scum reads, especially since it's a meta/gut read from me on slam. Hell half of my townreads are down with my lynch right now lol. | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:20 Onegu wrote: Maybe I rolled Vet and the best use for vet onegu is to take a vigi bullet because scum never shoots town onegu. Thanks I hate this already | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. I am glad you said that actually, not because i 100% believe you but because i think i can write you as town actually here now (something i was waiting for a while already^^) I think i would rather lynch either Onegu or Vivax. Onegu for that crap ass vote on you which reads only as "look at me i can do that because i am a boss" and Vivax for not calling super paranoid rayn+marv+DP has to be mafia or some other hit like that which he always does as town. If you do not agree, i am willing to sheep. Rayn if I tell you I am 100% down for a vivax lynch does that change your read of him? | ||
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I'm all on board with the vivax bit, I've already hated the posts I've read on onegu but I'm still catching up on the thread to give a full opinion. | ||
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Sorry maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying, I thought you were scum reading him and since you're down to lynch me, I was wondering if me scum reading him too would change your opinion of him. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote: Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started. Maybe this is helpful ##Vote: Marvellosity I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this On May 25 2023 06:21 Onegu wrote: There is no reason I can find for meatbaby to vote me. Therefore he is scum. You are all welcome. ##Unvote ##Vote die_meatbaby On May 25 2023 06:28 Onegu wrote: Ok OK VE really had no reason to vote me. He knows afk people get modkilled. ##Unvote ##Vote VisceraEyes I hate all of this for a thread entrance. What were you trying to accomplish here onegu? On May 25 2023 07:19 Onegu wrote: I can go back in my old town games and show you how I solve the game based on how people interact with me. Reading 45 pages is kinda out of the wheelhouse in the next few hours though... But I promise I will figure the game out in the end. My like day 3 plus reads as town are way better than anyone gives me credit for. Day one reads, I am better than you guys give me credit for also, and I bus a ton as mafia so you should follow me onto VE if you think I am town or mafia! Honestly wtf is the reason behind this if you're town bro Onegu are you actually trying to get lynched? I thought VE's lurker vote was odd but you're just gonna straight OMGUS him rather than read the thread and figure out what's been going on. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Listen VE I'm down for a vivax lynch but I'm having a hard time connecting the dots as to how this makes rayn scum too. Like your last line there is complete speculation. Responding to post 1052 | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Onegu is super town i dont want to lynch him anymore. Only Meapak. Fascinating lol | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I know I was just trying to get you off 1gu for just a moment XD It doesn't NECESSARILY frand, you know it and I know it. But there's a lot of antiVivax sentiment in the thread right now, it's a viable lynch and rayn is against it for....what? lynching you? back to meat? 1gu? I'm not even sure at this point, but he's made it clear it's NOT Vivax, but he's also said that he thinks Vivax COULD be mafia. Really? It's just WAAAAY more likely mafRayn does this than townRayn if Vivax flips red imo. But I concede townRayn could absolutely do this same shit. I'm not trying to lynch onegu lmao, his play is trash but there are people like LightningStrike, Vivax, meatbaby, and of course Marv still running around. Too many anti town players for them all to be mafia, at some point some of them are just morons. I honestly only really looked at him because rayn asked for my opinon. I think Rayn has made it very clear he wants me to die today so I really don't think he's scum for wanting me over vivax. Would you be calling me scum if I went for vivax or someone other than Marv? | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: See what I mean? It feels like flailing. Like they were sure Vivax was safe and now he's not so it's panic mode lol Umm... I mean I think I've been leading the vote for the last several hours and absolutely nobody has switched to vivax so I don't think that's a fair assessment of his (rayn's) behavior. | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:52 Alakaslam wrote: Ah shit. I gotta go to EU soon. AU is easier from CA... but honestly I should go from Vaasa to Sweden to Koshius Got any reads you'd like to share slam? I just looked at your filter and it was not as fun to read as I was expecting. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like he has all game been "marv is so scum". then when things start coming together he says (to marv): wow these three are the lynch options at the time by thread sentiment, who would have guessed? Following on: Why the fuck would anyone think if they want to lynch someone it would change MY read on the said person??? Then he is all on board with Vivax lynch (this is understandable), just to make a case on Onegu and then say he doesn't really think Onegu is mafia?!!?!? He is just running where ever he can to see what sticks, while still maintaining the read on marv and never ever doing anything about it and suspecting the same people marv did. Rayn vivax was one of my first people I was suspicious of. You literally asked me to reread Onegu so I did. Onegu is clearly not great but we have other priorities in the thread right now. Nobody, and I mean nobody has echoed my suspicions against Marv, I am clearly not going to get him lynched by myself and it would continue to clog the thread if I kept tunneling him. "Why the fuck would anyone think if they want to lynch someone it would change MY read on the said person???" This was part of why you didn't like me calling slam town, because I was willing to say he was town while he was simultaneously townreading one of my scum reads. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does town Meapak un-tunnel on marv if he really thinks marv is mafia? Makes no sense. I learned the hard way that tunneling doesn't help the town in the end. I am going to continue being the only person suspicious of Marv until something comes along that either changes my mind or allows me to convince other people to see what I'm seeing, but until then there's no point in me continuing to point out all the problems with Marv and for him to go "no u" If I go vote marv right now I'm wasting my vote and everyone's time. I'd rather focus on what's actually happening in the thread. And then if I die when people go back and look at the D1 votes it'll actually be useful information rather than me obstinately tunneled on Marv. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where i asked you to reread Onegu, MZ? Good lord On May 25 2023 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: My opinion is Onegu is most likely going to flip mafia at the moment. On May 25 2023 07:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm all on board with the vivax bit, I've already hated the posts I've read on onegu but I'm still catching up on the thread to give a full opinion. On May 25 2023 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay catch up and do that please. ngl Rayn this happened like... half an hour ago, surprised you've already forgotten. | ||
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Yes? I don't really know what your point here is. Onegu's vote on marv is retarded but it doesn't clear Marv either. Scum are allowed to vote for each other lol. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:26 Onegu wrote: I could vote for Koshi btw. See it's shit like this... | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way. Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad | ||
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[QUOTE]On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [QUOTE]On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote: I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.[/QUOTE] Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad[/QUOTE] Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE [QUOTE]On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????[/QUOTE] I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null" Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one: [QUOTE]On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.[/QUOTE] Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast" | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote: Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal? On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf????? I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null" Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one: On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote: And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest. Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast" EBWOP | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:43 LightningStrike wrote: Actually if we can find a wagon that isn't Vivax that I like I will join it because I have him as a strong townread. Who do you want to lynch LS? | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:47 DarthPunk wrote: Isn;t that what I said? lol. To be clear, I thought it was bad because MZ was casting doubt on Onegu who was voting for MZ's top scumread. If Onegu had stuck on Marv and actually justified his reasons/said he agreed with my analysis/done anything that resembled scum hunting to back up his vote we'd be having a different conversation. Instead he unvoted 8 MINUTES LATER and swung in another direction. Like I said before, scum can vote scum bois, it happens. Onegu throwing a vote on my read and immediately changing it does not clear him to me and it does not change my read on Marv. | ||
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I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot. | ||
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I'm torn between Vivax and LightningStrike but for accountability I'll go ahead and vote Vivax now. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but if you dont realise marv is town that is almost enough reasoning to lynch you. Honestly tempted to say let's do it at this point so that everyone can take a decent look at Marv tomorrow. | ||
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Chezinu (1): Alakaslam Meapak_Ziphh (5): Marvellosity, Koshi, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike Vivax (4): VisceraEyes, Die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh VisceraEyes (1): Onegu Not Voting: UoNSentinal, Chezinu I think this is accurate I'm going to take a shower and get some dinner but I'll keep checking my phone until the deadline. | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:18 DarthPunk wrote: MZ if you are town you need to get in here and do something to make people believe it, if you are scum, carry on. Man what do you want from me, most of the people I read town are hell bent that I'm scum, I've provided all my reads and thoughts behind then. Its dinner time and I'm hungry so I'm going to eat and if people have questions for me I'll do my best to answer. | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: so no chance for a mafia lynch unless all of slam, onegu and chez are town. so embarrasing. I'm currently the lynch, what does this post mean? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh (6): Marvellosity, Koshi, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, alakaslam Vivax (4): VisceraEyes, Die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh VisceraEyes (1): Onegu Not Voting: UoNSentinal, Chezinu | ||
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Gonna enjoy my dinner in peace. | ||
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- I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.
. Where was any indication that me and rayn posted in tandem? Why should we ?
