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On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him
Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..
Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times.
Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.
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I think it does, because i am in the game.
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Like if i was mafia i would totally shoot you and coast day 2 onto MZ lynch no matter anyone says nothing can be done about it.
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On May 26 2023 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like if i was mafia i would totally shoot you and coast day 2 onto MZ lynch no matter anyone says nothing can be done about it.
And if you were shot i would do the exact same thing as town.
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On May 26 2023 20:19 marvellosity wrote:
So it was either a shot on Koshi to protect DP/VE from his wrath, as like you say a town/town Koshi/DP fight is great for mafia.
Or it could simply be they thought Koshi was the least lynchable - why Koshi over you as well?
Simplest explanation is Koshi most right and therefore most dangerous?
Yes Koshi must be MORE right on something at least. I can't think other options than DP/VE/mebaby.
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On May 26 2023 20:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing.. Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times. Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt. Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad. And the fact that LS jumped straight in the thread to prod in that direction pretty much confirms it for me. But of course, he back tracked that after the smallest amount of pressure.
You are right this is also a possibility.
I can say from my part i will NEVER make decisions based on NK analysis only. I am just looking for direction atm because i honestly dont have any strong town reads other than marv and it's fucking sad.
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Koshi also went a bit hard on TTT during night.
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If i only look at this game objectively i think i should lynch VE. The read on mebaby D1 is absolute garbage, the fact that he didn't reconsider Vivax after what me and marv said is absolute garbage because that was like the only reason he thought Vivax is scum. The rant on me being mafia is also absolute garbage, i thought it was town (VE as mafia would not say that), but that was expecting Meapak is mafia. Now it doesnät really matter because he can call me bad too since i was also wrong.
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On May 26 2023 20:32 marvellosity wrote:
Problem with TTT is it’s so hard to fit him into any scheme we he didn’t exist in d1. Frustrating
Biggest point is he never wanted to figure out Meapak's alignemtn, which should be the first thing to do if you join this game N1. And it's a really big point.
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On May 26 2023 20:02 marvellosity wrote:
It could be, in the case DP is maf (this is entirely speculative) that they tested out what would happen if koshi got attacked and I stonewalled it and they made the decision then.
For TTT. This is exactly why marvellosity is town and how you can't see that from D1 is a bit beyond me. He's keeping town on track ALL times during D1, disagreeing/questioning the things he is not comfortable with and pointing out good points. This is what makes exceptional town player, not some big posts with "insight".
Just look at Koshi and DP N1. That's not exceptional, hell that's not even good. They both are good town players, but the difference of keeping your head straight and looking for what's important in almost any situation makes the difference between good and exceptional. There is no way mafia marvellosity could do this, i mean like if everyone had their head straight as him, mafia would never ever win any games, you have to "make mistakes" in your thought process as mafia because you need your team to survive. It's very rare cases when you even could actually do that throughout the whole game, and marv's town play is so good it's basically impossible to imitate that as mafia.
So there is that, i suggest you rethink your read on him if you are town, or mafia.
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Who was the other player besides slam saying Meapak farewell post is good? DP?
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On May 26 2023 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 09:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah I think I've been hammered. GL guys, don't forget that (1) Vivax was runner up, please (2) look at Marv again, and don't let (3) LightningStrike/Onegu/DMP skate by with blatant anti town play.
Gonna enjoy my dinner in peace. Everyone who thinks this post is very townie farewell post needs to explain why. If i read correctly Slam and DP(?) at least thought so. Because: (1) Doesnt say anything. There is no reason at that point why Meapak and Vivax couldnt even be mafia together. They are voting each other because they have to, and neither of them is the engineer behind each other's lynch. (2) If Meapak flips mafia this says absolutely nothing because noone is gonna look at marv after Meapak flips mafia. IT's extremely safe thing to say in case Meapak is mafia so in retrospect it should not in itself be considered as townie. (3) Same thing here. If Meapak flips mafia, LS is 99% of the time town. The two other people are already under (at least some) suspicion so like once again, this doesn't give anything new and is just a really safe thing to say so noone's alignment is actually gonna get figured out. Like it's a meek post with no insight in Meapak is town, and exactly what Meapak would say as mafia to not give away any information.
Darthpunk elaborate, please?
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That's really weak. Those weren't even reads.
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Can you explain further why that "tone" comes from town rather than mafia?
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On May 25 2023 22:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Tank top tiger looks very town to me based on the way he entered the thread. Fwiw
Elaborate on this too please, i find his entrance the exact opposite for what i have said already.
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I had a suspicion it's him. I dunno if it's worth to read one game 10 years ago though.
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So you think it is completely fine he doesn't care about the alignment of the opposing wagon but instead immediately attacks the leading person behind that wagon for whatever reason?
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What does being really dense about thread presence mean?
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On May 26 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think it is completely fine he doesn't care about the alignment of the opposing wagon but instead immediately attacks the leading person behind that wagon for whatever reason? Is that what I said?
No but i am saying this is pretty much evidence of being mafia over anything else in the thread i can think of, do you think your meta read outweighs the hard evidence?
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