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Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 24 2022 21:14 GMT
#74
I was promised glory.

/in
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 29 2022 19:45 GMT
#160
long live Chez!
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 29 2022 20:09 GMT
#175
I like this Dandel Ion guy.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 29 2022 21:00 GMT
#238
I like funny people.

Deconduo is pretty funny.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 29 2022 21:18 GMT
#241
On August 30 2022 06:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On August 30 2022 06:00 Tubesock wrote:
I like funny people.

Deconduo is pretty funny.


What's your opinion of people who aren't funny but try to be funny?
Asking for a friend.


If their fialed attempt at being funny is funny then that's still kinda funny.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 01:51 GMT
#248
On August 30 2022 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
There was so much discussion of this quote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb

For my own clarity rayn, this was the section of the OP that made you make this comment right?
Show nested quote +
Mafia roleblocker has precedence. If mafia roleblocker and jailkeeper target each other the jailkeeper's action will not be counted.


No, later Rayn said it was an inside joke. That he messed up.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 01:53 GMT
#249
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!

Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 02:27 GMT
#251
On August 30 2022 11:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 10:51 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
There was so much discussion of this quote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb

For my own clarity rayn, this was the section of the OP that made you make this comment right?
Mafia roleblocker has precedence. If mafia roleblocker and jailkeeper target each other the jailkeeper's action will not be counted.


No, later Rayn said it was an inside joke. That he messed up.

Ah my bad, I'll have to go reread that bit.
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 10:53 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!

Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.

I didn't really read it as a joke post, you hit my point spot on when you say the post only has 1 useful read. It's completely filler and adds nothing. Even if it's a joke, I get a lot more red vibes from that type of post than I do playful townie.

To me, a townie jokes more along the lines of
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On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town

It's harmless, in the first couple pages of the game, and unambiguous.

I personally strongly dislike decon's "joke" here as well:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.

Although since it's so early in the game I wasn't focused on it at first, I only saw it again when rereading for the HF post I quoted above.


I like his joke list post better than Jock's quote every post try-hardness. They both move the thread a little forward at least.

Putting HF as top town on one self claim post is pretty hilarious. Then essentially doing the opposite for Vivax bussing absent Koshi is pretty funny too. And of course the Chezinu read is spot on too. Now we can wait and see who nitpicks him for it and why.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 03:36 GMT
#253
On August 30 2022 11:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On August 30 2022 11:27 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 11:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On August 30 2022 10:51 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
There was so much discussion of this quote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb

For my own clarity rayn, this was the section of the OP that made you make this comment right?
Mafia roleblocker has precedence. If mafia roleblocker and jailkeeper target each other the jailkeeper's action will not be counted.


No, later Rayn said it was an inside joke. That he messed up.

Ah my bad, I'll have to go reread that bit.
On August 30 2022 10:53 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!

Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.

I didn't really read it as a joke post, you hit my point spot on when you say the post only has 1 useful read. It's completely filler and adds nothing. Even if it's a joke, I get a lot more red vibes from that type of post than I do playful townie.

To me, a townie jokes more along the lines of
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town

It's harmless, in the first couple pages of the game, and unambiguous.

I personally strongly dislike decon's "joke" here as well:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.

Although since it's so early in the game I wasn't focused on it at first, I only saw it again when rereading for the HF post I quoted above.


I like his joke list post better than Jock's quote every post try-hardness. They both move the thread a little forward at least.

Putting HF as top town on one self claim post is pretty hilarious. Then essentially doing the opposite for Vivax bussing absent Koshi is pretty funny too. And of course the Chezinu read is spot on too. Now we can wait and see who nitpicks him for it and why.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this for now, considering you've also got issues with jock's posting as well I'm definitely interested in hearing more of what you've got to say.

Any thoughts so far on copcake? Personally not loving what I'm seeing there.


Because it's first 24 hours or so I'll pass his nitpicking since everyone has to basically nitpick due to there not being any content around. His tryharding seemed a bit over the top to me, but moving the thread a bit and trying to make content outweighs that. It does set him up for more scrutiny later though. If he's not town then it'll get harder and harder for him to keep pace or produce anything of substance.

I remember Copcake showed up. I don't remember anything about her posts. Which doesn't really mean anything to me yet.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 17:26 GMT
#403
Read up.

HF obviously remains 100% confirmed town. Since I'm sheeping and hard defending Deconduo he's town too. Dande makes me smile so town there as well. Koshi likes me. That gives me warm fuzzies.

Copcake, Jock, and MZ are overall neutral for me. They do towny things that can be mimicked, but I disagree on several things they say soooooo yeah.

Want to see Rayn go Rayn so waiting for that. Plus, he usually has the Tubesock decoder and can see my town beacon.

I like this Vivax. I usually disagree (not that he's said much about the game) with him but his town light is usually bright and disruptive.

Slam isn't appearing to be having fun. That makes me sad. I disagree with HF's read though. Slam always deprecates himself and is always "this is lynching me" type talk. Slam's a mystery to me, which is why I enjoy him so much.

I can easily vote anyone else I forgot about.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 20:45 GMT
#452
On August 31 2022 05:16 Mattchew wrote:
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On August 31 2022 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 31 2022 02:26 Tubesock wrote:
Read up.

HF obviously remains 100% confirmed town. Since I'm sheeping and hard defending Deconduo he's town too. Dande makes me smile so town there as well. Koshi likes me. That gives me warm fuzzies.

Copcake, Jock, and MZ are overall neutral for me. They do towny things that can be mimicked, but I disagree on several things they say soooooo yeah.

Want to see Rayn go Rayn so waiting for that. Plus, he usually has the Tubesock decoder and can see my town beacon.

I like this Vivax. I usually disagree (not that he's said much about the game) with him but his town light is usually bright and disruptive.

Slam isn't appearing to be having fun. That makes me sad. I disagree with HF's read though. Slam always deprecates himself and is always "this is lynching me" type talk. Slam's a mystery to me, which is why I enjoy him so much.

I can easily vote anyone else I forgot about.

Whaaaaaaat?

I've been having a ball reading this shit, the mechanics here at Penske Montebello probably think I am crazy now

I forgot i wanted to re-look at this post (had it in a tab that i missed)

This post by tube was super sketchy and screamed of TMI and trying to blend in, its also his only post of the game since reads have been flowing and has no evidence/logic behind anything said


I don't think you can look at that post and think TMI. I don't feel strongly enough about anyone to actually case them and if I did it would only be to look towny. Don't worry though, I'll find something that tickles my fancy eventually.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 22:25 GMT
#478
On August 31 2022 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i don't even know what Rels is but he can die because the only reason i am playing this game is because he asked me to and i said yes while working basically 2,5 jobs and then he is not even playing.


This is actually the best reason to vote someone in the game so far.

[b]##Vote: Rels[b]
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 23:09 GMT
#493
On August 31 2022 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 11:27 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 11:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On August 30 2022 10:51 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
There was so much discussion of this quote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb

For my own clarity rayn, this was the section of the OP that made you make this comment right?
Mafia roleblocker has precedence. If mafia roleblocker and jailkeeper target each other the jailkeeper's action will not be counted.


No, later Rayn said it was an inside joke. That he messed up.

Ah my bad, I'll have to go reread that bit.
On August 30 2022 10:53 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!

Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.

I didn't really read it as a joke post, you hit my point spot on when you say the post only has 1 useful read. It's completely filler and adds nothing. Even if it's a joke, I get a lot more red vibes from that type of post than I do playful townie.

To me, a townie jokes more along the lines of
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town

It's harmless, in the first couple pages of the game, and unambiguous.

I personally strongly dislike decon's "joke" here as well:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.

Although since it's so early in the game I wasn't focused on it at first, I only saw it again when rereading for the HF post I quoted above.


I like his joke list post better than Jock's quote every post try-hardness. They both move the thread a little forward at least.

Putting HF as top town on one self claim post is pretty hilarious. Then essentially doing the opposite for Vivax bussing absent Koshi is pretty funny too. And of course the Chezinu read is spot on too. Now we can wait and see who nitpicks him for it and why.

Did you already decide who nitpicked on that or not? Because i know who did and i also know who didn't care while saying they would.


MZ sure nitpicked it. I didn't already decide at the time that would be weird. But it's easy to say that early game list posts get nitpicked a lot. I missed who didn't care but said they would.

About Deconduo. I don't think any of his games you posted sound like him this game. I don't really think he's left the joking phase of the game. If he never does then I'd say he's mafia, but I like him too much to lynch him now. I am a sucker for people who make me laugh.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 23:10 GMT
#495
On August 31 2022 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe Tubesock is also mafia. That post is quite... well...
deconduo's joke list post is better than Jock's quote-every-post posts, because both move the game forwards??
Then wait for who nitpicks on deconduo's post (like a... threat?), well i did, nothing happened in Tubesock's world.


Dude you nitpick everyone all the time haha that's not indicative of you at all. And you always misread some stuff and make it rayn on people. That's not indicative either for you.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 23:40 GMT
#500
On August 31 2022 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. What in your opinion Jock did, or how he reacted to that (deconduo's list post)?


In a vacuum Jock did nitpick the list.

Why I'm not shading Jock for it is fairly simple. He's mentioned several times that he wished people would take their tongue out of their cheek. That day 1 is mostly only good for tone reads and chains of logic hurt his brain. He also basically responded to every single post in the game. He wants the game to be more science and logic based but knows and is being frustrated that it just isn't on day 1. He's lowkey frustrated that it's super hard to figure out day 1. So, I overall townread him for that effort. He's not complaining like a typical scum would, he's trying. So yeah he can nitpick away as I think the motivation is more town based. That being said, if later in the game he falls off then this was an act.

MZ on the other hand looks more like he was looking for stuff to find. Which we all do. I so far have disagreed with about everything that I can think of he's said.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 23:42 GMT
#502
Oh and yeah while I think the joke list was obvious I'm beginning to see the world where Jock is hyper focused on the serious stuff and completely missed the jokes.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 31 2022 00:08 GMT
#517
That's how Rayn scumhunts. He looks at what HE expects people to think or do if they're town and if they don't meet that then he thinks they're mafia. Not sure why he got so triggered just now but meh.

He's not really talking game mechanics like you're saying it.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 31 2022 04:13 GMT
#611
I didn't care for any of the jock / rels conversation. Didn't peak any interest. Rels looks worse there.

Slam, do you scumread me then? Why? You generally ignore me until I say something silly about your meta and how you change or so.

HF doesn't pocket anyone lol.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 31 2022 04:15 GMT
#612
my vote preference is Rels, MZ, Vivax, Chezinu.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 31 2022 17:17 GMT
#768
Rels Aside from my perfect read earlier, HF you even agreed in not so many words that Rels conversation with Jock was boring and useless. We mindmelded there.

Jock and Dandel Ion are my top towns. Dandel Ion for a spot on post about Rels. Jock for his continued dilligence.

Copcake cause tone. Talk about unsubstantiated, amirite?

MZ is number 2 on the lynch list because I can't recall agreeing with much of anything he's written.

Vivax's townlight isn't bright yet, but that's why he's third on my lynch list.

Chezinu would basically be policy. But I love him so so would rather not. No one can claim he's done anything towny.

And HF is right, I do say meta things often concerning the big players or ones I think I kinda know. TMI is a bit of a stretch but whatever.

Deconduo I no longer townread. It's one thing to be fun and funny during the first 24 hoursish of the game but he's not progressed any further. So, loses those town points.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 31 2022 17:45 GMT
#830
##Unvote
Vote: Deconduo


This will be fun
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 31 2022 17:57 GMT
#868
On September 01 2022 02:55 Alakaslam wrote:
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On September 01 2022 02:54 Koshi wrote:
Ok. 6 more mins but on page 37. Quick update?

Rels is not mafia, MZ is not mafia, Deconduo is probably not mafia, I will bet Mattchew is


Mattchew was the first to verbally dislike me. Why would we be together? Why are you not just pushing me?
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 01 2022 01:01 GMT
#936
On August 31 2022 00:36 Chezinu wrote:
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On August 31 2022 00:26 Vivax wrote:
On August 30 2022 12:43 Chezinu wrote:
It looks like Grackaroni has vanished. Can anyone see the cruiseship? It appears the canoe is here... *eyes open outward* His body mustn't be far. Smells like the stinch left by fecal in the cave.


owie, who's gonna host now

Well, want an extended tour of the island? I've been here for quite some time.


I'd like a tour.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 01 2022 01:10 GMT
#937
After filter reads towns are

Koshi, Dandel Ion, Jockmcplop, Meap_Ziphh, Copcake, raynpelikoneet, and Alakaslam.

Rels, Vivax

I'm around, going to keep reading.

Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 01 2022 01:51 GMT
#939
On September 01 2022 10:37 Chezinu wrote:

Ah finally. I've been waiting for someone. Come along then!


I'd like to see the land of the Brown.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 01 2022 02:04 GMT
#941
On September 01 2022 11:01 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2022 10:51 Tubesock wrote:
On September 01 2022 10:37 Chezinu wrote:

Ah finally. I've been waiting for someone. Come along then!


I'd like to see the land of the Brown.

It is within you. Be one between the dimensions. Are you here or there?


Yes.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 01 2022 02:16 GMT
#944
Have you been in the cave? Makes me think of Feast of the Fecal. I liked his music.

Like mine but not

Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 01 2022 02:50 GMT
#946
The cave is dark to me. I only have the memories of smell. Nothing else.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 01 2022 04:14 GMT
#947
On September 01 2022 00:12 Rels wrote:
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On September 01 2022 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
I am just not reading the thread properly and coasting by.

Why does that make me an alignment?

This is why I hate D1. If stuff like this can't be used then what can? That makes no sense.

So. You're pushing back way harder than I'm pushing. I'm forcing myself to share ideas, stop being so butthurt about it. It's not strong, OK. But it's something like, you were self conscious enough to see that rayn had mentioned to same point? This is why I thought that post was weird in the first place. So, self conscious enough to deflect a potential criticism, but not enough to understand what was being said? Showing a tendency towards yourself more than towards others? And that's a scum trait? Something like that.

You're making me type a lot of words so that might appear to be like, a strong argument. It's not so. But I feel like it's might be a small thing.


Rels isn't pushing HF very hard. if this is his strongest town tell it's pretty weak I think.

On September 01 2022 00:06 Rels wrote:
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On August 31 2022 23:59 Holyflare wrote:
On August 31 2022 23:34 Rels wrote:
lowkey wants to start a HF wagon

On August 31 2022 23:37 Rels wrote:
Slam HF would make sense
HF is making posts just good enough to be townread, not enough for it to be weird to not be NKd
Makes a good case on his teammate, don't really push it. Let the wagons be on other person
When I started to be around I wanted to talk about Slam, then didn't comment when I talked about Slam? I might be wrong about the timing though let's see


This is such a bs transition too. You think my points have merit, you think Slam is kinda scummy. I think you're even voting Slam at this point(?) but you somehow transition to "lowkey" wanting to vote me as an associative before you've even wagoned the person you actually think I'm partnered with and discovering if that's a legit concern???

I am voting Slam yeah. To be clear, I don't want to vote you over him. But it might make sense? Why are you not pushing him over Vivax?


Here it looks like he tried to summon him to talk and get him to vote Slam. If HF voted Slam then others probably would have followed. Slam being low hanging fruit.

On September 01 2022 00:28 Rels wrote:
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On September 01 2022 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
The problem I have with what you are doing is that you are just performatively scum hunting. Your thoughts displayed are erratic and not well thought out because you would rather jump on something rather than trying to solve the situation instead.

How does that make me scum though? I'm pretty fucking logical and not erratic as scum. I never get lynched early for example, and win most of the time. It only happens as town that I get MLd early.
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On September 01 2022 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
You did this with this post and you did it with the "not wanting to talk about Slam" post. Back to back.

Why even float that you'd want to vote me if you didn't actually want to do that and it's "not that strong really"???

To make you react.


Rels is a pretty smart dude. This is easily doable for him.

At first reads I didn't see anything that interested me. Nothing stood out other than trying to generate activity to not look too inactive. What I did notice later is he seems to keep going back and forth on some reads. Like Slam, he will post how he's towny or unable to read him. Then really only can offer Slam up for lynch. He really pushes for a Slam lynch. Dandel Ion is right though, there isn't any difference between Slam, Vivax, and what he says Dandel Ion is doing. So it's weird that it's all about Slam.

Reading Slam's EOD behavior makes me townread him fairly solid. So, then that does frame Rels in a much more sinister light.

Now I'm going to find all the times he says something about Vivax. There's a couple just talking about the Vivax trap but he doesn't indicate town/mafia. This is his first "read" on Vivax:

On August 31 2022 10:29 Rels wrote:
I feel the same way about Vivax too. Perfect vig target with Dandel.

On August 31 2022 11:37 Rels wrote:
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On August 31 2022 11:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rels why is vivax a good vig target in your opinion, but apparently a bad lynch target as you won't vote for him?

I think his flip will be random given what he has posted. He just hasn't started playing. I also think scum!Vivax is pretty easy to catch when given time, town!Vivax is pretty tryhard when he gets starting. In a way scum!Vivax is not able to replicate in my recollection, or at least not during multiple days.

To be clear, I'll vote for him over a lot of other people if I had to vote right now. But we still have time before deadline, and I would prefer Slam.


On August 31 2022 11:55 Rels wrote:
Let's see who's left.

I would vote Vivax over Tube dec and Mattchew too, even though I don't have a strong read on them. Just because they have tried more.

Chez lol. I've never been able to read him.


Vivax has a 4 page filter. I have 2. Mattchew has 1. I just don't think you can really look at Vivax's filter and mine and go Tube tried more. Yeah, I had reads in there but I didn't really explain anything. So he's said that Vivax has potential when he's town, and there are 3 others with less filter but arguably equal(ish) content and he wants to vig / soft push Vivax? I mean he can't really push me cause protection from Rayn and Koshi. He can't go against them.

On September 01 2022 00:06 Rels wrote:
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On August 31 2022 23:59 Holyflare wrote:
On August 31 2022 23:34 Rels wrote:
lowkey wants to start a HF wagon

On August 31 2022 23:37 Rels wrote:
Slam HF would make sense
HF is making posts just good enough to be townread, not enough for it to be weird to not be NKd
Makes a good case on his teammate, don't really push it. Let the wagons be on other person
When I started to be around I wanted to talk about Slam, then didn't comment when I talked about Slam? I might be wrong about the timing though let's see


This is such a bs transition too. You think my points have merit, you think Slam is kinda scummy. I think you're even voting Slam at this point(?) but you somehow transition to "lowkey" wanting to vote me as an associative before you've even wagoned the person you actually think I'm partnered with and discovering if that's a legit concern???

I am voting Slam yeah. To be clear, I don't want to vote you over him. But it might make sense? Why are you not pushing him over Vivax?


Why would HF push Vivax when he's voted MZ and only thread voted Rels? HF didn't talk about Vivax much. He had other obvious interests. and 30 minutes after this post HF cased me so Rels could have gone for that. So, why is Rels weirdly bringing up Vivax?

On September 01 2022 00:13 Rels wrote:
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On September 01 2022 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
And what's Vivax got to do with anything?

Vivax as a potential lynch instead of Slam?


On September 01 2022 00:13 Rels wrote:
but apparently it's not a real wagon. For some reason I thought Vivax was the leading wagon


Did any townies think Vivax was a leading wagon? To me this looks like he's paranoid about his partner getting lynched. I'd also be worried if Koshi targetted "my" partner Vivax I'd have to try to save him. I think that's what happened here. No one would be sad about a Vivax lynch so the threat is there, but he gets excused as as D1 target due to potential. He says he helped "shut it down".

On September 01 2022 02:19 Rels wrote:
creating a second wagon so we have only wrong choices. Maybe to divert from Vivax yeah? There was a lot of talk about Vivax but no vote at the end
Thing is, I'm not sure because it was kinda shut down by Koshi and I, and I don't think Koshi is scum


Where did Rels shut down the Vivax lynch? I don't see any advocacy to not vote Vivax. He asked HF why not Slam over Vivax but that's about all the shutting down there was overtly.

On September 01 2022 02:32 Rels wrote:
I'll vote Vivax over me of course, but I would prefer Dandel


It's super weird how he treats Vivax over others that are essentially equal or worse. Like he doesn't have any meta read on me (I'm assuming since he hasn't mentioned anything) but if Vivax is so easy to read down the line, why say he's a good vigi shot and not one he just won't ever know like Chezinu or me or Mattchew?

Rels can't defend Vivax. So he has to push Slam. He doesn't really push Vivax but later when Vivax flips mafia then he can try to say "I totally pushed Vivax!" but he's not. He doesn't vote him, he doesn't ask for anyone to vote him.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 14:53 GMT
#1122
Still think Rels and Vivax are mafia. Vivax less so.

##Vote: Rels
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 15:06 GMT
#1125
On September 02 2022 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 1:
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On August 31 2022 21:19 Vivax wrote:
I‘ll just assume 3 mafia

180ing on MZ

It‘s tube, jock, MZ imo

Rels says Vivax is worth keeping around for now.

Come day 2 Rels says Vivax is not anymore worth keeping around and votes for Vivax.

Vivax posts:
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On September 02 2022 11:48 Vivax wrote:
I think Chez and Slam are town

HF, Rayn, Rels, copcake all town

MZ, TS, Jock, Dandel the PoE

Nothing‘s changed from D1

I‘m on Rels for nonsense reasons for the offchance Dandel is scum and it gives him a glimmer of hope

Did I forget anyone?

Rels unvotes and now Vivax is worth keeping around.
Like come on, ABSOLUTENY NOTHING HAS CHANGED in what Vivax says now and has been saying during D1. Hell he even says it himself, yet this post is something so great it makes Rels unvote Vivax????


[QUOTE]On September 02 2022 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2022 11:22 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2022 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Right Rels also parroted Koshi's stupid point about keeping Vivax around until D3.[/QUOTE]
Don't think I've said that? It was more like, Vivax can't fake his town self that long, I think? But he's not even trying to fake anything right now so, yeah.
Vivax, you need to start playing please.
##Vote Vivax[/QUOTE]
You definitely said that, maybe not exactly but it was at least heavily implied and only AFTER Koshi made this post (#481):
[QUOTE]On August 31 2022 07:28 Koshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 31 2022 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi do you think Vivax is town?
So you think deconduo is town?

If so, why? Vivax hasn't said anything worth anything whole game. Basically he has made posts but the only game contributing post is his vote on MZ. He has been talking about outside game stuff. If Vivax is mafia Vivax talks either nothing or he talks about some stupid shit like stock markets.

Here Vivax talks like he is talking about stock market.[/QUOTE]
Vivax makes weird posts and I cba to read or decipher it.
Vivax ezlynch on day 2/3 when he is obvious mafia due to complete activity drop off.[/QUOTE]

Then you say this (#543):
[QUOTE]On August 31 2022 10:29 Rels wrote:
I feel the same way about Vivax too. Perfect vig target with Dandel.[/QUOTE]

Rayn's town. He sees the same things I saw but just didn't go as far as I do. I mean yeah I made an associative read and they're bad but Rels and Vivax are both acting scummy so it's not really associative.

Even though he thinks I'm mafia, he's definitely town. Definitely.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 15:08 GMT
#1126
On September 02 2022 20:42 Holyflare wrote:
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On September 02 2022 20:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
Because Rels is mafia


I'll vote for rels after you've voted for tube


Dand you can take that trade. Otherwise HF will never vote Rels. Never.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 15:12 GMT
#1128
On September 02 2022 22:43 Mattchew wrote:
Like these votes feel like they make no sense to ms


Why? Don't you scumread me? Should feel mindmeldy I think.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 15:15 GMT
#1129
On September 02 2022 23:55 Vivax wrote:
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On September 02 2022 23:53 Tubesock wrote:
Still think Rels and Vivax are mafia. Vivax less so.

##Vote: Rels


Patently bollocks take

Maybe you can frame the interaction we just had when I got back and actually played in a way that gives that some weight?


You have some moments.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 15:16 GMT
#1130
EBWOP:
On September 02 2022 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 1:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 21:19 Vivax wrote:
I‘ll just assume 3 mafia

180ing on MZ

It‘s tube, jock, MZ imo

Rels says Vivax is worth keeping around for now.

Come day 2 Rels says Vivax is not anymore worth keeping around and votes for Vivax.

Vivax posts:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2022 11:48 Vivax wrote:
I think Chez and Slam are town

HF, Rayn, Rels, copcake all town

MZ, TS, Jock, Dandel the PoE

Nothing‘s changed from D1

I‘m on Rels for nonsense reasons for the offchance Dandel is scum and it gives him a glimmer of hope

Did I forget anyone?

Rels unvotes and now Vivax is worth keeping around.
Like come on, ABSOLUTENY NOTHING HAS CHANGED in what Vivax says now and has been saying during D1. Hell he even says it himself, yet this post is something so great it makes Rels unvote Vivax????


On September 02 2022 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2022 11:22 Rels wrote:
On September 02 2022 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Right Rels also parroted Koshi's stupid point about keeping Vivax around until D3.

Don't think I've said that? It was more like, Vivax can't fake his town self that long, I think? But he's not even trying to fake anything right now so, yeah.
Vivax, you need to start playing please.
##Vote Vivax

You definitely said that, maybe not exactly but it was at least heavily implied and only AFTER Koshi made this post (#481):
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 07:28 Koshi wrote:
On August 31 2022 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi do you think Vivax is town?
So you think deconduo is town?

If so, why? Vivax hasn't said anything worth anything whole game. Basically he has made posts but the only game contributing post is his vote on MZ. He has been talking about outside game stuff. If Vivax is mafia Vivax talks either nothing or he talks about some stupid shit like stock markets.

Here Vivax talks like he is talking about stock market.

Vivax makes weird posts and I cba to read or decipher it.
Vivax ezlynch on day 2/3 when he is obvious mafia due to complete activity drop off.


Then you say this (#543):
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On August 31 2022 10:29 Rels wrote:
I feel the same way about Vivax too. Perfect vig target with Dandel.


Rayn's town. He sees the same things I saw but just didn't go as far as I do. I mean yeah I made an associative read and they're bad but Rels and Vivax are both acting scummy so it's not really associative.

Even though he thinks I'm mafia, he's definitely town. Definitely.

Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 19:39 GMT
#1143
On September 03 2022 04:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On September 02 2022 04:30 Alakaslam wrote:
On September 02 2022 04:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm flying tonight so I won't be around much for the next 18 hours or so but I'll try and stay caught up reading the thread.

I'll have the previously promised thoughts on vivax/dandel and some thoughts on tubesock/mattchew when I'm back at my computer.

Holy shit where you going, Japan? Korea? To USA or Canada from something like that?

Nah it was just a routine training flight but it requires 3 hours of planning, 3 hours of briefing, 4 hours of flying, 2 hours of debriefing, and then I went to sleep. Slept longer than anticipated but I don't work today so I'll actually have some time to comb through the game.


You flightcrew? I fly the L100
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 21:15 GMT
#1158
MZ makes a lot of really good points.

Rels has some towny posts.

Agreeing with someone for their D1 thoughts really doesn't indicate anything. Pretty much why I towned Dandel. And even being tunneled he could also look for the others which he's just not playing.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 21:16 GMT
#1159
ninja ##Unvote
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 21:38 GMT
#1161
On September 03 2022 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You should probably try to explain why your vote ended up on where it did if you are town Tube.


Got caught in the shenanigans moment. And something about Rels made me 2nd guess myself.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 21:57 GMT
#1163
I don't time to pull the quotes now but basically I was waffling on how scummy I htought him throwing out an accusation and then a post or so later "oh here it checks out ok, oopsies nevermind". It looked like trying to manufacture progression. But then I was waffling and thinking I've seen town people do that type of thing before.

And really Decon wasn't doing anything so I really didn't care who died between the 3. (MZ, Rels, or Decon)
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:04 GMT
#1165
I wouldn't have gone to MZ.

After D1 I started reading MZ as town. Now he's pretty solidly town.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:05 GMT
#1166
Due to thoughts aligning and rationality.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:19 GMT
#1169
On September 03 2022 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean "I wouldn't have gone to MZ."

Why? AFTER d1 doesnt matter here since we are talking about exactly D1.


To be honest I didn't have any real strong town reads. MZ's last couple day posts made me think I should just go back to Rels. then after the lynch https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?page=44#861 and I starting to reevaluate MZ.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:26 GMT
#1171
I can't post them now, but they start with the above. And just look at MZ's last like 5 probably are applicable as well.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:33 GMT
#1174
On September 01 2022 02:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2022 02:52 Alakaslam wrote:
On September 01 2022 02:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On September 01 2022 02:48 Alakaslam wrote:
On September 01 2022 02:48 Rels wrote:
BTW Slam is so town it's crazy

TBH tubesock's vote is giving me the chills regarding this Deconduo lynch

I think it is tubesock

Why?

If rels is town as you believe, why would mafia tube switch his vote?

Fun is also a factor in this game

I mean sure but there's absolutely no reason for scum to be a part of last second lynch shenanigans unless they've got a team member involved.

Regardless of who dies today (me, decon, or rels) everyone active at the deadline who switched votes will be under a microscope regardless of how the flips go. I just don't see scum getting involved without reason unless they're playing a power scum game and I definitely don't get that vibe from tube. Since I think rels is town, it doesn't make sense for scum to switch off of them.


This string.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:34 GMT
#1176
Mafia would not defend me like that.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:38 GMT
#1178
I don't think I understand what you're even really asking.

1) I vote Rels
1.5)MZ is a wagon
2)Slam starts Shenannies and goes to Decon
3)I go Decon

At that point if the shenany wagon decided to go to MZ I don't think I would have. I would have gone back to Rels. For whatever reason I think MZ is mafia still at the beginning of night. I reread and think more and then I understand that mafia just wouldn't gain anything by defending my switch.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:39 GMT
#1179
On September 03 2022 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
unless you see the future ofc. is that what you claim?


Sometimes I certainly do. couple games I saw the play but was lynched anyway. I was right though so tiny victory.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:41 GMT
#1180
You want to know what's even worse??? I don't think Rels or Vivax are mafia anymore.
I have ZERO scumreads at the moment.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:42 GMT
#1181
Although I'm very suspicious of HF but I mean that's everygame until like D4.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 22:43 GMT
#1183
That's fair.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 23:01 GMT
#1188
On September 03 2022 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 03 2022 07:42 Tubesock wrote:
Although I'm very suspicious of HF but I mean that's everygame until like D4.

Why are you suspicious of HF?


Respect. I said everygame.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 23:12 GMT
#1193
On September 03 2022 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On September 03 2022 07:41 Tubesock wrote:
You want to know what's even worse??? I don't think Rels or Vivax are mafia anymore.
I have ZERO scumreads at the moment.

What are your thoughts on Dandel, Jock, or copcake

I'm trying to write this post looking at you and Matt but I keep refreshing your filter and this thread and there's more to read.


Dand- I agree with most of what he says. His Rels post I thought aligned well to my thinking. Rels really looked like he was performing. And continued to do so. I for some reason liked how he asked you if you shake your fist at people. Kinda dumb but I gave you both some town points. Granted you had less for being so serious against Decon.

Jock- I think he's pretty solid town. I like that he kept looking at other things for the overall picture not just only his lynch. Unlike Decon. Decon would be overhelming town if he was lynch Rels but also doing more investigating. I think Jock is looking deeper than a normal scum would.

Copcake- Feeling she's town. Don't agree with her case on you, but I believe she believes it. I've written many cases like that and have been ignored compeltely too.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 02 2022 23:41 GMT
#1209
On September 03 2022 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On a not-so-side-note, here is some food for thought:

How does anyone not voting for Tubesock justify voting for anyone else.

- Tubesock had Rels and MZ as top mafia D1 (deconduo is not a scumread)
- There was a time (near EoD) when Koshi, Dandel, rayn -- all of Tube's townreads are voting for Rels
- Without any contribution towards anything, he chooses to vote for deconduo over EITHER Rels or MZ when those are the wagons to choose from
- Tubesock has apparently no intention to clarify his voting behaviour at all

How is Tubesock not mafia over ANYONE else in the game? Don't be fucking stupid now people, this is like 100% mafia behaviour 100% of the time.


I missed this post.

- Without any contribution towards anything, he chooses to vote for deconduo over EITHER Rels or MZ when those are the wagons to choose from


Strictly speaking, I was 2nd on Rels so when it was the 2 wagons I chose Rels. Then Shenanies and I ended up jumping. So no, it wasn't like I didn't choose and then was on Decon.

If Rels is mafia then yeah I did save mafia. And basically hammered Decon although he may have died anyway with Rels voting to save his life.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 03:42 GMT
#1335
On September 03 2022 12:26 Rels wrote:
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On September 03 2022 00:16 Tubesock wrote:
EBWOP:
On September 02 2022 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Day 1:
On August 31 2022 21:19 Vivax wrote:
I‘ll just assume 3 mafia

180ing on MZ

It‘s tube, jock, MZ imo

Rels says Vivax is worth keeping around for now.

Come day 2 Rels says Vivax is not anymore worth keeping around and votes for Vivax.

Vivax posts:
On September 02 2022 11:48 Vivax wrote:
I think Chez and Slam are town

HF, Rayn, Rels, copcake all town

MZ, TS, Jock, Dandel the PoE

Nothing‘s changed from D1

I‘m on Rels for nonsense reasons for the offchance Dandel is scum and it gives him a glimmer of hope

Did I forget anyone?

Rels unvotes and now Vivax is worth keeping around.
Like come on, ABSOLUTENY NOTHING HAS CHANGED in what Vivax says now and has been saying during D1. Hell he even says it himself, yet this post is something so great it makes Rels unvote Vivax????


On September 02 2022 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 02 2022 11:22 Rels wrote:
On September 02 2022 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Right Rels also parroted Koshi's stupid point about keeping Vivax around until D3.

Don't think I've said that? It was more like, Vivax can't fake his town self that long, I think? But he's not even trying to fake anything right now so, yeah.
Vivax, you need to start playing please.
##Vote Vivax

You definitely said that, maybe not exactly but it was at least heavily implied and only AFTER Koshi made this post (#481):
On August 31 2022 07:28 Koshi wrote:
On August 31 2022 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi do you think Vivax is town?
So you think deconduo is town?

If so, why? Vivax hasn't said anything worth anything whole game. Basically he has made posts but the only game contributing post is his vote on MZ. He has been talking about outside game stuff. If Vivax is mafia Vivax talks either nothing or he talks about some stupid shit like stock markets.

Here Vivax talks like he is talking about stock market.

Vivax makes weird posts and I cba to read or decipher it.
Vivax ezlynch on day 2/3 when he is obvious mafia due to complete activity drop off.


Then you say this (#543):
On August 31 2022 10:29 Rels wrote:
I feel the same way about Vivax too. Perfect vig target with Dandel.


Rayn's town. He sees the same things I saw but just didn't go as far as I do. I mean yeah I made an associative read and they're bad but Rels and Vivax are both acting scummy so it's not really associative.

Even though he thinks I'm mafia, he's definitely town. Definitely.


You're so focused on rayn it's crazy
That made me think of the posts HF dug up where you couldn't wait to explain how rayn worked
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 08:10 Tubesock wrote:
On August 31 2022 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe Tubesock is also mafia. That post is quite... well...
deconduo's joke list post is better than Jock's quote-every-post posts, because both move the game forwards??
Then wait for who nitpicks on deconduo's post (like a... threat?), well i did, nothing happened in Tubesock's world.


Dude you nitpick everyone all the time haha that's not indicative of you at all. And you always misread some stuff and make it rayn on people. That's not indicative either for you.

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On August 31 2022 09:08 Tubesock wrote:
That's how Rayn scumhunts. He looks at what HE expects people to think or do if they're town and if they don't meet that then he thinks they're mafia. Not sure why he got so triggered just now but meh.

He's not really talking game mechanics like you're saying it.



That's dramatically exaggerated.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:19 GMT
#1359
Sorry for the betrayal, Koshi.

Rels can you answer:

On September 01 2022 03:55 Koshi wrote:
So Rels tried to lynch DI who got a strong case on him, while holding back his vote on somebody he thought was supertown.

Let's figure out why he voted deco over MZ.



And some answers for you. But it's all kinda moot now. I don't think you're mafia. And I don't think Vivax is either so it's all gone.

Yeah I was interested in a Slam lynch at that time. How does that make me scum?


Without any context it doesn't. It looked like you were trying to find an easy target with the scummiest post in the game. Then tried to leverage that to get HF to go to Slam with you. And at the time save a mafia!Vivax.

Please point to Vivax's posts in those 4 pages of filter that are him playing more than you?


It's simple math. 4 pages vs 2. And plus all the shade I've gotten was basically I'm fluff. Or Canned.

"protection from rayn and Koshi"?? What? I'll verify but will assume it's true for now since it's super easy to check, but what are those proctions? And how does that mental image of "me being afraid of strong player" square with me butting heads with HF later?


They both called me town.

There were several anti Vivax posts, to the point that Koshi made that "6 votes against Vivax" post. I even quoted that Koshi post later. How did you miss that?


Yes, about 6 people all said the same thing. Vivax is super easy to figure out D2/3/4 whatever and is super lazy talks stock market the whole time if mafia. Doesn't mean he was an actual target to be lynched. That was my point. I don't think anyone actually really considered voting for him D1. Which is why I looked at your posts on him as paranoid and thought you would try to make sure the wagon isn't on him. Like to Slam for instance.

There is at least Jock that explicitely said that it was of Koshi and I. Are you not analyzing my posts in context of the thread?


Doesn't mean Jock is correct. No where in your filter do you advocate not lynching Vivax. You mention him and only soft push him. Which to be fair is similiar to all the people who excused Vivax' play due to potential. Much to MZ's chagrin.

That's why it's only talking about Vivax. That was the subject at the time. How did you miss that?


Ok. So there is 1 less post about Vivax that you just kinda bring him up and don't defend or really push. Didn't change what I thought.

What posts are you talking about where I'm preparing that?


All of them. They go together. It's not a singularity.

I can't find the question about something about butting heads with HF. My point was that you were in fact not butting heads with him but being uncharacteristically timid. You summoned him to get a reaction and then tried selling him on Slam lynch. You kept saying "small thing" and saying how he's overreacting.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:27 GMT
#1365
Chezinu transcends mafia and town. He exists in both. He already said so.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:28 GMT
#1366
On September 03 2022 13:25 Vivax wrote:
Nice, an entire page of Chezinu - Rels


Ruined it.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:29 GMT
#1369
On September 03 2022 13:25 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2022 13:01 Rels wrote:
On September 03 2022 12:51 Mattchew wrote:
On September 03 2022 12:19 Rels wrote:
On September 02 2022 23:45 Mattchew wrote:
I also contextualized that mz flipping town helps clarify that theres little to no vote logic needing to be applied to the decon lynch as mafia would have been able to hide on any of the candidates without fear. It would also help read rels hammer play because mafia doing that when mz is town makes no sense.

Did you just TMI confirmed me town? Because I was scum, why would scum be able to move without fear? Even though the result ended up dec vs MZ, I ended up with 3 votes, just 1 shy of MZ - wouldn't have taken much for me to die (Jock that scumread me and dec to survive for example). So what you've said is only true if I'm town?

you had 20 minutes where you we firmly ok with 4/4/3 votes making it incredibly hard for a town wagon to occur on you if you were mafia. what i am saying is that in my opinion you did what your thought was best for the game regardless of the backlash it was going to put on you which i believe to be a very townie quality

Yeah I understand what you're saying about me. What I don't understand is why MZ's being dead proves anything regarding the votes, and it would be game changing to the point of you asking for MZ being vig'd.

It wasn't a 1v1, it was a 1v1v1. If you argument is "it was a 1v1, if both are town so we know scum can relax on the vote and probably only town participated in last minute switch" or something like that, then it doesn't work because it was not the situation. It was a 1v1v1, so that logic can only apply if all 3 of us are dead and flip town?

(regardless, I think it's also pretty weird to want his townread vig'd even if it was really a 1v1. I know you explained that one but I still find it very hard to understand)

the timing of your swap was a 1v1 imo. if mz is town it tells me that its even less likely you are mafia AND it benefits town greatly to know that vote logic on day 1 is basically meaningless as mafia could voted wherever the fuck they wanted


Why doesn't it just mean he voted to save his life? Why wouldn't he do that no matter his alignment and no matter who the other wagon is?
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:32 GMT
#1372
On September 03 2022 13:31 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2022 13:28 Tubesock wrote:
On September 03 2022 13:25 Vivax wrote:
Nice, an entire page of Chezinu - Rels


Ruined it.


Well, I'm not infallible. Often slothful, and I've pulled an all nighter after a night out.
Interestingly a bit of alcohol helps


Meant I did.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:33 GMT
#1373
On September 03 2022 13:31 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2022 13:28 Tubesock wrote:
On September 03 2022 13:25 Vivax wrote:
Nice, an entire page of Chezinu - Rels


Ruined it.


Well, I'm not infallible. Often slothful, and I've pulled an all nighter after a night out.
Interestingly a bit of alcohol helps


I'm your #2 right? After Rels? Who's 3rd? I'll vote them lol
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:40 GMT
#1378
On September 03 2022 13:35 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2022 13:29 Tubesock wrote:
On September 03 2022 13:25 Mattchew wrote:
On September 03 2022 13:01 Rels wrote:
On September 03 2022 12:51 Mattchew wrote:
On September 03 2022 12:19 Rels wrote:
On September 02 2022 23:45 Mattchew wrote:
I also contextualized that mz flipping town helps clarify that theres little to no vote logic needing to be applied to the decon lynch as mafia would have been able to hide on any of the candidates without fear. It would also help read rels hammer play because mafia doing that when mz is town makes no sense.

Did you just TMI confirmed me town? Because I was scum, why would scum be able to move without fear? Even though the result ended up dec vs MZ, I ended up with 3 votes, just 1 shy of MZ - wouldn't have taken much for me to die (Jock that scumread me and dec to survive for example). So what you've said is only true if I'm town?

you had 20 minutes where you we firmly ok with 4/4/3 votes making it incredibly hard for a town wagon to occur on you if you were mafia. what i am saying is that in my opinion you did what your thought was best for the game regardless of the backlash it was going to put on you which i believe to be a very townie quality

Yeah I understand what you're saying about me. What I don't understand is why MZ's being dead proves anything regarding the votes, and it would be game changing to the point of you asking for MZ being vig'd.

It wasn't a 1v1, it was a 1v1v1. If you argument is "it was a 1v1, if both are town so we know scum can relax on the vote and probably only town participated in last minute switch" or something like that, then it doesn't work because it was not the situation. It was a 1v1v1, so that logic can only apply if all 3 of us are dead and flip town?

(regardless, I think it's also pretty weird to want his townread vig'd even if it was really a 1v1. I know you explained that one but I still find it very hard to understand)

the timing of your swap was a 1v1 imo. if mz is town it tells me that its even less likely you are mafia AND it benefits town greatly to know that vote logic on day 1 is basically meaningless as mafia could voted wherever the fuck they wanted


Why doesn't it just mean he voted to save his life? Why wouldn't he do that no matter his alignment and no matter who the other wagon is?

save his life from what? 10 min before lynch he was fine (he was the only vote after this post)
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 01 2022 02:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Meapak_Ziphh (4): Holyflare, Vivax, CopCake, Alakaslam, Vivax, Deconduo
Deconduo (4): Jockmcplop, Alakaslam, Jockmcplop, Meapak_Ziphh, Tubesock
Rels(3): Koshi, Deconduo, Tubesock, Dandel Ion, Alakaslam, Jockmcplop, Raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet(1): Mattchew
Alakaslam (1): Rels
CopCake (1): Rels, Chezinu
Chezinu(0): Alakaslam
Dandel Ion (0): Jockmcplop
Vivax (0): Jockmcplop, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam


Not Voting (0):

With 4 votes, Meapak_Ziphh is currently set to be lynched!

Please let me know if you notice any mistakes

The deadline is Wednesday, Aug 31 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in




Yeah you right. Not sure what I was thinking.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 04:43 GMT
#1381
OK.

##Vote: Mattchew
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 05:13 GMT
#1399
On September 03 2022 14:08 Vivax wrote:
no accounts were hurt in the making of this game


So far!
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 16:45 GMT
#1454
On September 04 2022 01:29 Rels wrote:
Whelp, looks like dandel is once again not happening.
##Unvote
##Vote Tubesock


He's town so
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 16:50 GMT
#1459
For Rels.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 16:55 GMT
#1460
## Unvote
##Vote: Rels
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 16:57 GMT
#1462
I'm finally transcending.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 16:58 GMT
#1463
And there was a reason for the Mattchew vote but you missed it.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 17:05 GMT
#1468
Wasn't independent.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 17:07 GMT
#1471
It's kinda funny you completely missed what's going on.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 17:15 GMT
#1484
On September 04 2022 02:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2022 02:07 Tubesock wrote:
It's kinda funny you completely missed what's going on.


It's not particularly funny. I just want to play mafia and there's a lot of not doing it in this game so it's kinda boring.

You're not really scum reading anyone pushing for your wagon, interacting with any of their points or presenting any other argument.



I answered everyones questions as best I could.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 17:17 GMT
#1487
On September 04 2022 02:16 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2022 02:15 Tubesock wrote:
On September 04 2022 02:14 Holyflare wrote:
On September 04 2022 02:07 Tubesock wrote:
It's kinda funny you completely missed what's going on.


It's not particularly funny. I just want to play mafia and there's a lot of not doing it in this game so it's kinda boring.

You're not really scum reading anyone pushing for your wagon, interacting with any of their points or presenting any other argument.



I answered everyones questions as best I could.

Good bye Mr. Tub. You're gonna have to transcend outside of this island . *cries*


Nah at my death I can be both town and mafia.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 17:18 GMT
#1489
And to be perfectly honest Ive been here before. I've put in a lot of work before and it almost never matters. So, yeah I'm not tryharding now.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 17:20 GMT
#1495
On September 04 2022 02:19 Chezinu wrote:
You don't tryhard with scum cases. You tryhard with trolling and staying alive.


That's why I'm really bad at this game.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 17:45 GMT
#1502
It's a Chezinu wagon.

For Rels.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
September 03 2022 18:08 GMT
#1511
Gg sorry town
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