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On January 11 2021 06:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I wanna shoot somebodyyy
Something very weird happened here though. Dandel is the one who created our QT and called it the mafia QT.
Surely it's Gb who made it though no? Or Dandel corrupted it somehow? We were definitely not told any of the info in GBs role pm That makes 0 sense. Well it's exactly as I said. Either its a big coincidence and GB didn't make our QT and Dandel used his role to do something Or GB made it and Dandel obscured info from us Either of my qt mates can confirm
I can confirm, your a dumbass.
GBs role clearly had not been activated. Our QT would have been called the discord thing if it was GBs ability.
Apparently multiple rules can make QTs this game.
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On January 11 2021 14:43 Tictock wrote:
Idk what made me think this but I am really not a fan of Slam basically being a non entity all game.
By this I mean his only legitimate sounding posts, where he was pushing Dandel were later claimed to be RP and then his vote is somehow stuck on essentially no lynch because he fucked up?
This sounds really suspect to me as it could easily be an excuse to not vote (what is supposed to be towns really power) and hand Wave away a fair chuck of his posts.
Hate to say it but in the name of full disclosure (as safely to town as possible) I have to confess to further badness.
I had to stick to my vote made within the first 24 hours. Problem is, Dandel was an invalid vote.
So I failed anyway, and would have been better off just switching to Yamato.
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On January 11 2021 15:19 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 04:02 Alakaslam wrote:On January 10 2021 18:59 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 12:17 Alakaslam wrote:On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment Still. What this is causing just looks like scum. You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop? I guess you could... Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather! What makes you think this game has roles like that? Like which? For dandels, it’s obvious so I was making a point in reply to Yamato (I think?) saying something about not being able to discern alignments from roles; this was my way of trying to express why I disbelieve it. Just, from everything I have seen this game has very custom roles hand created for this game. You brush off a point that the OP says roles don't define alignment by refferancing normal roles designed for certain alignments. So what does it matter that those roles you listed can't be balanced if they are not in the game? Thus, why are you assuming they are? Though I suppose this also means my assessment that Dandel is 3P is null as he could be trying to achieve a win con of his as any alignment. I still would rather sort it out when his abilites are not active to avoid that. Good points, thanks for clarifying.
My point is that I believe you can’t completely separate the uses of a role from it’s alignment. So, to illustrate why I believe this, I used normal game roles because I don’t know what roles are in this particular game. But Dandel Is not helping town Could easily be helping scum I want him lynched. That line of reasoning. I whole heatedly agree with the bolded. This is exactly why I chose to help enable Dandel's role N0, because how he used it would be more telling than what it was. This is also why I wasn't mad at myself for pushing a mafia!Rayn into mayor last game. I should have caught it but I think the way he immediately changed to wanting to lynch who the thread wanted from who he wanted when he suddenly was going to be elected was actually a big scum tell.
Hot damn now I want your analysis of that game. I hadn’t even come close to thinking of that.
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On January 11 2021 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Another reason obi could be scum btw I forgot to mention
Both tictock and I used the replace host thing on dandel
Which presumably meant nothing but he still used his ability on us, but obi never did
Adding scummate to spy on us?
(probably not cause he himself could see the qt. Bleh)
I think if Dandel is in fact scum it would make a lot of sense for him to make a scum QT with 2 town and 1 mafia.
If Dandel is town or 3P though it would be either just whatever names he picked it straight RNG.
I suppose he might RNG as scum too but more likely he tries to plant a teammate. If that is the case Obi is more likely since he was the only one of us to not want to let the game know he was "scum"
I mean, I didn't claim it like Wave but literally the first thing I did was hint at it pretty strongly.
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On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.
On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.
The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.
The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p
Yes I’ve been aware and tried to avoid making that joke...
It just... presents itself though right?
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On January 11 2021 15:38 Tictock wrote:
Oh I misread that a bit, but still. Probably mafia.
Thought he said "only person I'm lynching today is conversion" right after voting Dandel. Lol
Yeah that seems like a possible product of my own badness though.
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On January 11 2021 15:53 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +
Once per game, you may channel your Discord moderator powers and PM the host the names of three surviving players. At the end of the phase, any surviving players you have chosen will be placed into a "Discord Sleeper Cell" Quicktopic. This sleeper cell will have access to 1-shot KP, which can be used during any night phase if a majority of sleeper cell members agree on a target. You also secretly have access to this Quicktopic, but you cannot post in it or vote for KP.
Creating QTs might be a theme this game. Cool way to give town KP though.
And to screw with me, unfortunately.
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On January 11 2021 06:31 yamato77 wrote:
Imagine lynching GB
You didn't exactly do much scum hunting yourself.
On January 10 2021 06:54 yamato77 wrote:
I like lynching scumclaims
So maybe be constructive rather than snarky.
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On January 11 2021 16:09 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 06:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 11 2021 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I wanna shoot somebodyyy
Something very weird happened here though. Dandel is the one who created our QT and called it the mafia QT.
Surely it's Gb who made it though no? Or Dandel corrupted it somehow? We were definitely not told any of the info in GBs role pm That makes 0 sense. Well it's exactly as I said. Either its a big coincidence and GB didn't make our QT and Dandel used his role to do something Or GB made it and Dandel obscured info from us Either of my qt mates can confirm I can confirm, your a dumbass. GBs role clearly had not been activated. Our QT would have been called the discord thing if it was GBs ability. Apparently multiple rules can make QTs this game.
Yeah if I had read GB’s flip and kept it in mind, I literally could have told anyone that. They’re clearly different roles.
Dammit. This means I need to pay attention.
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On January 11 2021 16:28 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Another reason obi could be scum btw I forgot to mention
Both tictock and I used the replace host thing on dandel
Which presumably meant nothing but he still used his ability on us, but obi never did
Adding scummate to spy on us?
(probably not cause he himself could see the qt. Bleh) I think if Dandel is in fact scum it would make a lot of sense for him to make a scum QT with 2 town and 1 mafia. If Dandel is town or 3P though it would be either just whatever names he picked it straight RNG. I suppose he might RNG as scum too but more likely he tries to plant a teammate. If that is the case Obi is more likely since he was the only one of us to not want to let the game know he was "scum" I mean, I didn't claim it like Wave but literally the first thing I did was hint at it pretty strongly.
I really feel like Dandel is just 3P. Seems too much extra work to lay on a scummer.
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On January 11 2021 16:31 Tictock wrote:You didn't exactly do much scum hunting yourself. So maybe be constructive rather than snarky.
I think he is just mafia.
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Ok I’mma peace out. Had another vicious bout with my mother in law and betrayed by wife to boot so now I’m sleeping on the floor. Gonna have to focus on sleep and you probably should too, tt...
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On January 11 2021 06:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So we vote dandel or conversion?
I'd still like to see Conversion flip.
If Dandel doesnt do anything but play host we absolutely lynch him.
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Clar- I was betrayed by my wife. She sided with her mom... perfectly natural but imo still not right.
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I'm to old for this..
Tick tock is the sound my bones make in the morning not some meme video site.
GET OFF MY LAWN YOU EGG SUCKING SALAMANDER!
(Ok, abusive bladder aside I'm try to get back to sleeping.)
(May or may not happening, go away sun)
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On January 11 2021 07:14 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 06:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Don't blame me for your inability to read
.... the stuff two hosts write
you're special That’s actually part of what can create the confusion. When you have two parties that are “in opposition”, when skimming it can easily be assumed that only one said what actually both said. That was my mistake; I presumed only you had said it until someone mentioned it about Hapa’s post. I seriously suffered a small mandela effect moment when I read it again.
Actually they weren't in opposition. You also clearly didn't read.
Mandela effect is strong though, I was there for a bit but that was because I hadn't read the day posts for a bit due to my double shifts.
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On January 11 2021 16:36 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok I’mma peace out. Had another vicious bout with my mother in law and betrayed by wife to boot so now I’m sleeping on the floor. Gonna have to focus on sleep and you probably should too, tt...
Aww, **hug** you'll make it Slam.
You can pm me if you need a friend but let's keep it in pm  .
Give her time and love, newborns are hard t.t
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On January 11 2021 07:30 ghostofconversion wrote:vote tocktic 100% mafia
This is the other classic joke on my name.
I'll let you all imagine what happens when dirty minded people read my name at a glance...
Whenever you wanna let people know why I'm mafia, feel free. You have my full permission.
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On January 11 2021 16:36 Tictock wrote:I'd still like to see Conversion flip. If Dandel doesnt do anything but play host we absolutely lynch him.
Didn't he say he was 'caught'? We can push him back to power? ( not that I would even in a delirious state)
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Alright friends, I promised I would catch up and actually play the game a couple times already and I am here to make good on that promise. I haven't read much of anything since the start of Day 1 so I have a lot of catching up to do. It's currently midnight my time and I still have to work tomorrow. I'd like to establish my thoughts on the game in case I die, and this will likely be my last opportunity to do so before deadline tomorrow.
I am going to type a lot in this post. I don't currently have the luxury of "interacting" with people so there's a lot I need to process, and the best way for me to do that is to write it out. I'd like to establish my thoughts on most of the claims made in the game, all of the actual roles used on Day 1, and obviously my analysis of how the lynch happened and what that says about players' alignments. I'm sure at this point in the game there is likely enough to go on that I should have a few decent townreads and at least one confident scumread.
Lastly, before I get to my reread and my reactions to things that have happened in my general absence, I want to clarify some of the statements I have made previously in my brief and direct filter. I obviously thought Wave was mafia early on based on his N0 posting (very fluff, mostly about setup and whining that people weren't playing like him) and his start to D1 where he concluded that a no lynch was the most viable path forward and took some amount of convincing otherwise. Then he scumclaimed, albeit for an instance of this game that doesn't necessarily apply anymore. However, I do not see the town motivation to scumclaiming in Dandel's game. My current read (before I read D1) is that Wave is playing to disrupt useful discussion and generally be unhelpful in actually forming a cohesive idea about the game and finding a good lynch, which I obviously think is a mafia motivated playstyle. He could also just be "playing around", but that is a convenient excuse for scumWave to fall back on/
Likewise, Conversion's playstyle has only served to create chaos and disrupt the thread. His multiple fakeclaims and his dud of a nuke on myself helped nothing. If he has reads I don't know them, and I stand by my statement saying and I would nuke him. Being a troll and mafia are not mutually exclusive, as it turns out. I didn't like JAT's early posting but as I stated earlier in my filter, I have not caught up on how he has played in some time.
I liked Vivax' posting and thought process, and I obviously believe his claim, which makes me heavily question HF and his counterclaim. I hope some light was shed on this conundrum in my absence.
Now, obviously we all know GB is town now, and I am not here to simply say "I told you so", even though I already did. My initial thought about his lynch, again, having not caught up, is that it might have been a bandwagon led by a strong mafia player given a weak town presence in pushing a lynch. Some of the blame for that inevitably falls at my feet for largely ignoring the game, as Wave pointed out, but nonetheless I feel as if there was some malfeasance going on there. That said, I will not simply call the first person to vote GB mafia without at least attempting to understand how the lynch actually happened, these are just my thoughts as someone who saw a person he thought was fairly town get lynched.
Now, TO READ
On January 09 2021 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think conversion is me.
I also don't really think anything that's happening right now matters - I think we just sit and wait until night falls and everything will go back to the way it was.
I vote we no lynch or lynch Vivax, but I'm pretty much hands off today I think.
This post sticks out to me as another stinker. I think a Vivax lynch is inherently scum favored and obviously a no lynch is as well. Obi goes to the shit pile for me.
On January 09 2021 09:14 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 09:10 yamato77 wrote:
if town conversion shot a nuke at town me on day 1 for calling him lame I am highly disappointed Agreed but dandel is scum
This is also a tangent that I find appalling. Slam's push of an impossible lynch on Dandel for a flimsy reasoning about the use of his role is something that I think any town player would quickly and rightly ignore. Hopefully Slam realizes his mistake at some point.
On January 10 2021 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 04:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I also love how Wave is voting for Dandel even though he knows that this is not helping. Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha what the hell there are 3 people voting Dandel right now?
I mean I guess I'll join in to survive but so long as people understand it's a no lynch
My gut reaction to this is "then find some fucking mafia instead of no-lynching and claiming scum". I usually don't mind survival plays but I also really don't like how hard Wave is working to not have scumreads up to this point in the game.
Going back in time, I wonder if this is the impetus for the GB lynch? It's not bad reasoning IMO if that's what people sheep off of since I think this heuristic is somewhat useful but GB also has reads outside of wanting to lynch Vivax, which I think is an important corollary to the concept. A mafia "hunting" 3p is one thing, a townie not believing a 3p claim is another. GB is not what one might call an optimal player given that he began the game with a scumread on me. Alas, this is an aside.
On January 10 2021 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
GB is mafia btw really obvious
HF's dismissively brief posting like this irks me, and especially here as a train is forming on Wave that HF himself has at least egged on.
On January 10 2021 07:25 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah, not unlikely I'd say. His appearance today was not very inspiring.
On January 10 2021 08:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Wouldn't surprise me either at this point tbh.
It's also quite frustrating that this gets sheeped immediately by two other people for apparently no reason.
On January 10 2021 12:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 11:17 GlowingBear wrote:On January 10 2021 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
GB is mafia btw really obvious Why??? You just kind of exist. Your actually like rolling mafia and so not voting Dandel for host is against the spirit of your alignment. You drew alignment conclusions on people based on Dandel's words but didn't think that Dandel could be mafia and other people know what his role does because they are mafia. You jumped to them being town (Obi). You have had little to no interaction with me, something like one post. You're not interested in solving the slots. You throw away voted Dandel at the start of the day instead of literally anyone you mafia read. Even now that people are voting Wave you've had little interest in even commenting on it.
I disagree with a lot of this post and I can feel things turning against GB here, especially given his simultaneous decision to push a lynch on Vivax.
On January 10 2021 12:02 Holyflare wrote:And now you're voting a guy that claimed 3P with a role that is directly countered by someone else in this game and would possibly remove themselves from the game after this night.
Truly this is a confusing post tho. If HF counterclaims Vivax in rolename, why does he not want to see him lynched? That's a question I hope gets answered.
On January 10 2021 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Which, is why I am not pushing it anymore. Was trying to keep up RP but holy shit if it wasn’t actually super effective...
I guess Slam did realize his mistake? But he couldn't switch his vote for RP reasons... not in love with that, but it sounds like something he would do.
On January 10 2021 17:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 15:15 yamato77 wrote:
wave i didnt like your posting before you claimed mafia and now your defense of yourself is some WIFOM crap
where are your reads? They're sprinkled about. Not too many yet Don't spout buzzwords at me though you know I'm right. You didn't like my posting? I trolled and you jumped on like 5min into the game. Don't pretend like you have anything even remotely substantial. Do something useful yourself and maybe I'll do the same
Wave clearly doesn't actually think I'm mafia but he's somehow using my activity as a defense of his own lack of reads when I definitely had more posted reads than him in a fraction of the filter? Good lord.
On January 11 2021 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
You are the worst. I love you but, just the worst.
Lynch me or don't. I've found scum and was happy again with this game until you came back
Putting down my phone
Wave's 1 actual read is a meta read that Obi is mafia and he literally refuses to play the game despite other people trying to push decent ideas on him.
In the last few pages Conversion made a decent case (I hate to admit) on TickTock that HF echoed and I really wish the lynch had gone in that direction. Wave's excuse for not voting him is his interactivity, but I think that a lot of his posts are seemingly rhetorical questions to get people to reiterate what they've already said in their posts.
I also agree with Conversion's suspicion of Shockey, fwiw. So maybe my fake murderer is JUST a troll and not actually mafia himself.
That said, I would expect a town GB lynch to include some mafia on the wagon SO we'll see.
On January 11 2021 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for others, yams town, I hope jat/HF are town because it could still go either way. Town is certainly more likely at this point.
I'd look toward the people who just haven't done much tbh here, Shocckey, Slam, GB, it's all more or less a crapshoot. I agree that the wagon on me looks good because none of them have jumped on but I truly don['t think that's indicative here---partially because I know otherwise but partially because none of them have had to do much of anything. They haven't been forced to throw a vote or grilled in any way, so they haven't had to commit, which is I think more damning than bandwagoning at this point.
Oh also Conversion town.
I hope
This post of Wave's I actually like. First one this game I like, and his reads are somewhat close to mine. I still don't think JAT is all that townie up to this point and I would be much less suspicious of GB but the rest of it is ok. His scumread of Obi, tho, is not something I really want to dissect. Seems like a huge waste of time. If Obi's mafia it's not because he made a weird post in a QT.
On January 11 2021 03:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 12:46 GlowingBear wrote:On January 10 2021 12:38 Holyflare wrote:
Not really, you shouldn't care about voting for a 3P who says his wincon involves getting removed from the game by arbitrary mechanics.
Very unlikely mafia makes that claim.
You can put it to the test by fulfilling his criteria each day (for instance making him the second biggest wagon and him voting the counter wagon should give him +3 and thus he will be removed from the game next cycle eod if we do it twice). You're right.  ##vote Glowingbear
On January 11 2021 03:43 Holyflare wrote:
Dude doesn't care what's happening.
On January 11 2021 03:43 justanothertownie wrote:
I could get behind that too.
On January 11 2021 03:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm down.
A literal 1 for 1 recreation of the earlier posting pattern that actually morphs into a real train on GB. I sort of have to believe there's mafia here, and right as of this moment it feels like JAT.
On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
I can consolidate on a null read.
Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real
Or maybe this is the mafia. Together with Vivax these are all the votes on GB I believe, and we can expect
On January 11 2021 05:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:LMFAO?? What does this even mean?... I knew GB wasn’t mafia, you’re the first to vote for him, then claim I’m mafia. You must be mafia with conversion.
I would not be upset if Shockey dies. This likely also means that HF's "counterclaim" of Vivax was fake. Idk why he did this but at this point it's not nearly enough to make me suspicious of HF.
Most of N1's posting is largely irrelevant. Eversince's absence is concerning but not wholly damning. The tone of Eversince's posts is townish. Otherwise I see Shockey being mafia and TickTock analysis Dandel's role (which I think a mafia would really want to do)
That said, Dandel really needs to do something besides discuss his own game at this point. It is not material to the actual game we are playing now. Effectively, he removed himself from the lynch for a day and had some memey flavor. Ha ha. Time to find mafia.
I agree with general thread sentiment on TickTock and Shockey. I trust JAT much less than most people however. Wave is probably bad town. HF is probably town but if there's a sneaky mafia it's him. Conversion is probably town. Obi is town-ish for me but I strongly dislike how easily he sheeped onto GB.
I trust Vivax' claim. I don't think it's worth trying to lynch him for some time.
If I had to guess about Slam's alignment this game I would say town but really who knows. I think that's just about everyone in the game.
This read took me a little over an hour. I don't think I'll be around too long to respond to anything but this should be sufficient to explain my current thought processes and how I view the game going forward. I think there's a strong possibility that a good town cohesion forms from this post and we lynch the sus people. I don't really want to post this at night since mafia could easily choose to shoot me after this but they might already or Obi could have KP and wish to kill me SO here you go.
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