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On November 16 2020 18:27 GreYMisT wrote: Since when have you been a mod? Nice to see you He has been for almost 2 years iirc | ||
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On November 23 2020 13:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m in the private tl discord for admins:D that’s the only privilege I have I hold no privilege other than my family background. ... I may possibly be the most privileged arsehole on here for that though. Uhhhhh If you’re in America (or... probably anywhere in the world but I think they stick to the Americas) support my family! Buy Chevron Texaco gasoline! ... we get a tiny, nigh insignificant cut. Therefore we are deciding what business to buy so I can try to run it in hopes of recapturing that family fortune feeling. That’s what 4 generations of division will do to a fortune. I still think Elon Musk is cool. Never mind he is basically undoing the largest source of the old wealth’s profit to my family; we’re already out of relying on that and Aviation will still buy. But for now! Anyone wanna buy a 60’s V8? Who needs fuel efficiency? I love those assholes who go running around in lifted trucks with fake balls hanging from the tow hitch! Wait, what? No I don’t; those are idiots and usually skinheads- who would tell my wife “go home”... | ||
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On November 24 2020 05:45 Hapahauli wrote: Are you sadistic enough to involve yourself in politics? Will you announce your candidacy? I will. I think I’m pliable enough to listen to the town and not hijack the lynch with massive 460 mm japanese cannons (lookin’ at you, Yamato) and lynch who we agree upon. I’m open to suggestions and I’m town, I promise! That being said, I fully intend to add my own opinion and put it out for review. ##Vote: Alakaslam FF read the day post sir | ||
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Nah, yell at me about why FF is a better mayor than pliable manipulable slamfish the wet noodle | ||
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Come on! | ||
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I’m gonna lynch scum, and make the scum give us info from the flips | ||
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On November 24 2020 06:10 Hapahauli wrote: Is your platform effectively that you will vote for whom the town desires (i.e. who the town "votes for" to be mafia)? Yes BUT THAT’s NOT ALL! I will also promise to be productive beyond the mayoral role. I just don’t want someone so good at the game that they get arrogant and do their own will getting elected instead to be honest. What more could a mayor honestly promise though? To use the bodyguard? Like -_- But let me read mayoral details again, maybe I am missing something. | ||
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Yeah I don’t want that role but if anyone should have that, it’s still me. So many times I have known someone was town but nooo people had to lynch them. But I won’t get that way as mayor! I’m too pliable! | ||
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On November 24 2020 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you open this up a little bit? What's the agenda behind this? I mean it is quite clear that for any reason TT didn't really care about answering you and you have also posted since so... I was hoping you would shit on my campaign or vote for me Looks like hapa was right though, you’re here to question him. *sigh* Carry on I guess. | ||
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On November 24 2020 06:30 Hapahauli wrote: Why is pliability a positive trait as a Mayor? Yamato77, Aperture mafia 42, never forget Just a conversation starter. I figure that people posting about the mayoral election is ever-so-slightly more productive of a topic than other early game "joke-posting". Whether TT responds or not is immaterial. And agreed. Pliability is good because then town doesn’t vote in someone who has their own agenda If I’m pliable, I have no agenda. Now, it would be better to have a town agenda. But, if I am to be led by town consensus, do I really have a different agenda? I could, but what if town lands on a mafia partner (presuming I was mafia)? Is that a risk I should take right off the bat? So, I think the campaign is actually in itself (due to timing) it’s own credence to the fact that my pliability is a good thing. | ||
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On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. Yes that's the reason i am reading him town so far. The read is as strong as any half-an-hour-to-the-game-read can be. So yeah, not strong but the strongest i have so far. You are right i am. Because honestly i want either him or me to be the mayor. I dont really care which one in case he is town. Because of two things i think that; One, the mayor has a bodyguard. In case hapa is town and mayor he becomes even "more very very valuable" asset to the town as it will take at least two night for mafia to get rid of him. I obviously also think i am better than anyone else (or at least on par) so the same goes for me. Two, you have a tendency to "drop out" at times and/or forget/fail to send in actions/properly read the game, and therefore i can name other people too that would in my opinion be more valuable as mayor in case they are town. I also dont like you take on the pardoner, but i dont think that means anything towards your alignment. Pardoner should pretty much never use the power. Period. That’s more like it! Two words: Paternity leave. I have zero excuses this game for failing to submit anything. If you need more words for reassurance: Noon deadline. Literally could not be a more convenient time for me. Still don’t feel like I have an exception this game? Paternity leave means I am at home. I don’t even have to phonepost. The town will decide. Just know that I ran. And I ran right away. And I do want the position and will continue to campaign for it. | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:21 Trfel wrote: I have to agree with you, that is quite bold indeed Fair enough, I suppose we'll see eventually. In other news, I kinda like Alakaslam this game. Which likely means he's mafia, he has a tendency to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is If possible, I think it may be wise to control the votes such that all of the votes are on the same person, thus making there no Pardoner as there is no one in second place (or would it then be randomized... so many questions). Though unfortunately that seems very difficult to control, and if it's possible to vote for oneself, it may be worthwhile for mafia to ninja vote because it would take two lynches to eliminate them. Maybe not such a good idea after all. Ah well. Hi all Any thoughts about Alakaslam? I disagree. That gives pardoner to mafia as you say here? What? You are saying you town read me and therefore scum read me? Not good sir collect thoughts or get caught | ||
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But given trfel I am no longer feeling that. I’m just like what is trfel doing and at least rayn could be genuine rather than scum with hapa, in fact by hamblin’s razor (not sure if I spelled that right) is the most likely thing. Or is it occam’s? Whatever. Point is I still think I should be mayor because Hapa and Rayn can influence me if needed and they are both just as capable of royally screwing town if they are scum and get elected whereas I am known to pretty much suck and universally get caught as scum. Sure, I’m great at avoiding a couple lynches but I don’t have a whole lot of actual scum wins under my belt, check the record. | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Hapa is that capable of screwing town if elected. Although i dont think he is ever going to get elected if he in fact is mafia. Ok. Agree to disagree on that as I TR you. I think Hapa can pull off a bit of scum trouble even if he isn’t elected- if he is scum. But if he isn’t running then it’s you (and FF, our Jo Jorgensen) I am running against. So am I Trump or Biden? I don’t wanna be Trump OR Biden. Maybe you don’t wanna either. Let’s be Bush or Clinton | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why should you be elected because of this? Because I am impotent, and also town. So I am not able to do as much damage with the role as... Arrogant persons Or mafia. I will be obedient. | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: You should be mayor because hapa or rayn can just as easily "control" you as they can control the lynch as mafia!mayor??????????? Essentially! Town will listen to you! They won’t listen to me for shit though, other than to discern my alignment. | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think i agree with other parts of your post, but why would Slam NOT candidate himself as mayor as mafia? Why would anyone, regardless of alignment, per se not wanna be mayor? really? so mylo D2 if the mayor lynches town? even worse if the mayor/pardoner happens to be mafia.... Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! Pick me! Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? And, as mafia, sure as shit I wouldn’t run. It’s in my history, and here’s why: It’s a position that will give you away. It’s powers, but misuse of them paints a target on your back. Something mafia don’t need. So there’s a reason mafia would not want to run. How a out for town? Maybe someone who doesn’t think they can make convincing use of the roles powers as compared to another player (because somehow they think that is better than letting town have a more normal day 1 and lynch the agreed upon scummy ahitter)... So, basically there are plenty of reasons not everyone will just up and vote themself. | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: But arent you saying you will do my will anyways? Not if town disagrees with you. | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont know what is it about gamewise but i like rush hour. :D Yep Basically you went and pushed that button man | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: Regardless if you take offense or not, that was uncalled for on my part. I do feel as if the "theme" of our last few games played is that you attribute certain qualities to my very early-game town plan, I do not meet those "expectations", and I get called mafia for a longer period of time than I would prefer. It is a bit of a self-meta thing, but I tend to dislike making any sort of concrete reads in the early game unless I am very confident in the read. Once I articulate a read, I find it very mentally difficult to go back and re-evaluate it seriously. Hence, I keep my reads "notepad", but I do avoid posting every little one in thread, lest I inadvertently commit myself to a town read for bad reasons. Regarding Mayor... I kinda don't want to run? It's a lot of responsibility, and I tend to enjoy games more where I am not forced to take a leadership role. If it becomes apparent that there is no good choice for mayor, I will likely campaign for myself. But I'd like to avoid that if possible. By the way, this doesn’t make hapa scum It’s just that I don’t know why he doesn’t want to run as town. Or if I do know, for some reason, I don’t exactly want to draw attention to that possible reason. Anyway. I’m running gib vote pliss | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:58 Grackaroni wrote: STAY TUNED FOR A GRACKARONI ANNOUNCEMENT Well, I don’t think anyone is going anywhere | ||
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I vote me m8 -mostly normal town | ||
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On November 24 2020 11:10 Grackaroni wrote: I hear you and I share your concerns. I recall another time when a past Liquidian mayor, let's call them HolyPear for purposes of anonymity, lynched the runner up for the office, PALMAR, against the wishes of his own constituents. I beseeched him: "DON'T KILL PALMAR, HolyPear!!!!!" I said. But it was too late. HolyPear sliced through Palmar like a soft fruit. The crowd turned on Mayor Pear. "I"ll have your STEM for this!!!" they shouted. I tried to calm the crowd. He's not mafia; he's just a scrub!" But the crowd pushed for vengeance. By the next day his green juices were spilled on the floor of the town hall. And so ends the tale of HolyPear. A cautionary tale, but one with an important lesson. Grackaroni was right. We would do well to listen and trust in Grackaroni, who is best known for his even-headed judge of character, or else we may be forever doomed to repeat the mistakes of HolyPear. But I saw Will too! He is headstrong. UK lawyers be like dat | ||
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On November 24 2020 12:10 Grackaroni wrote: Occam's razor is that the simplest solution is often the right one. Hanlon's razor is to not attribute things to malice which could be attributed to ignorance. I don't think that would apply in a mafia game though. That’s right hanlon Yes it does! Holy shit how do we not see how Hanlon’s razor is the mafia tool that TL Mafia lacks? that would literally solve all of our issues if we could just do it!! | ||
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Oh yeah occam’s might not be wise in GreYMisT aperture setups. Or any of my setups. But it can work here. | ||
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Mafia is literally an exercise in proper application of Hanlon’s razor. | ||
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On November 24 2020 12:24 Grackaroni wrote: I'm a bit surprised you're going for mayor. (I'll have to break character for a second) If you're just looking to kill whoever Rayn/Hapa says wouldn't it make sense to give the bodyguard to one of them. Right? Very unusual for me! But rare circumstances lead to rare play. I can actually look at the game more or less at will. | ||
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On November 24 2020 13:56 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think he's a lawyer. Or at least the last time I called him a lawyer he denied being one. He was in law school; he is a lawyer | ||
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I stand by this remark very staunchly | ||
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On November 24 2020 20:50 Jockmcplop wrote: Does it look to anyone else like slam just wants the protection of being mayor but none of the responsibility? I'm not sure if its mafia motivated but it puts a different slant on his mayoral run. He's portraying it as the utilitarian option where town gets to choose but to me it just looks like he's asking people to early town read him for no real reason. I contradict this I don’t need your TR. If anyone else promises to listen to the whole town with the mayoral lynch instead of being a frustrating bastard, and is also more capable than myself, I’ll go Bernie Sanders on this race; cede it to my ally for the cause. | ||
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On November 24 2020 22:33 Jockmcplop wrote: We should vote for him because his campaign validates him as town by its very nature? But he could just as easily be making this argument as mafia and playing the odds of a townkill by consent on day 1 for the free protection. He shouldn't get any towncred for the promise to do what town decides. No, I couldn’t do that just as easily. I am not that skilled of a liar. | ||
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On November 24 2020 22:44 Jockmcplop wrote: This post is bizarre. He says he doesn't think anything anyone will say will change his opinion of slam. But then later on: Also: Slam's pliable argument IS his entire campaign. Vote for him because he must be town because a vote for him is a vote for whatever town decides, therefore he must be town. I don't see how that comes from a town perspective. Trfel's start is all full of contradictions. He seems ultra confident about slam's tone and then seems to drop that line of thought so easily. You maybe don’t see it but there are things that affect a town players play. Like paternity leave. | ||
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On November 24 2020 23:34 Vivax wrote: Grack is making awesome posts so I don't even care what he is, but I need to make up my mind on this mayor thing, I did have a tendency to get N1d over the last 10 games or something like that. And while Grack earned my favour, I can't rule out he's mafia at this point and I don't want a mafia mayor. Also that reminds me of Slam's comment that mafia wouldn't want the mayor spot or something like that (if I'm not confusing something because I'm not bothering to double check). Add that to his list of sins because it's nonsense imo. It’s not wrong. Sure, there is protection but it’s also a spotlight. But whatever, vote who you will for mayor. I think the later entrants to the race are the more likely to be mafia. | ||
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On November 24 2020 23:37 Vivax wrote: To conclude, I need to go grab some thingies and while at it decide if I want to run. Also skipped over reading Trfel, Jock and a bunch of other stuff. See you in a while. No, too late bro. If elected Mayor, I will push for a lynch on Vivax. I will still listen to town, but that is who I suspect most. | ||
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On November 25 2020 00:15 Vivax wrote: Don't even know where his Hapa townread came from. He's very one sided in his argumentation here. It’s not a townread, it’s a null read. It’s backing from my apparent scum read. I’m not here to be led around by false impressions on my reads from the town. | ||
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On November 25 2020 00:56 Grackaroni wrote: Is Rayn also not planning to run for Mayor? Possibly the best question so far | ||
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More that scum need time to gauge whether town is on the wrong track before running. Scum are more likely to want to do their own thing with lynch 1. So scum would want to take stock of the town before running. Grack, FF and I don’t give a shit about that because we are innocent. | ||
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On November 25 2020 03:21 Trfel wrote: Hey Jockmcplop! I guess I see what you are saying, I was primarily thinking about the Day 1 lynch aspect of the mayoral role and less about the protection aspect. I'll keep thinking about it.Honestly, I didn't really expect other people to come up with compelling points that I hadn't thought of. Evidently I was wrong I liked Alakaslam's opening, it felt very genuine to me, but his play after that has been rightfully pointed out as more suspicious.I forget the exact game, but I do have a specific game in mind. I remember generally scumreading Alakaslam and then the game I townread him, he was mafia. I don't mean that I "like" him in that he's friendly, but rather I liked his play, in that it seemed to come from a town perspective. @Alakaslam, why did you initially want to lynch Vivax? Sorry I'm having trouble seeing why. Because he was busy wanting to see if he wanted to run for mayor That is scummier to me than not wanting to run. “I’m gonna see if I can pull it off with less suspicion before I pull that trigger” Scummy. Since then though he has looked a lot better. He just has a different thought process than I do afaics. | ||
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I mean it is too late now but if that was how you felt, why did you not at least vote yourself and say what you would do? Despite your apparently good play I am really hung up on that from you. I see a town reason to play that way, and I do see a scum reason as well. So We will see if you are honest (or can fool me) or if you just don’t reply | ||
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On November 25 2020 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: huh what? have i ever even implied i dont want to be mayor? why is it too late for me to "run" for mayor? why do i have to do some sort of "campaign"? I guess you americans like your presidental bullshit circus but yeah no... Ok fair enough. Again I still think I am the best candidate but will switch my vote if a better/more viable opponent comes up. | ||
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On November 25 2020 06:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: I voted Trfel as mayor for now. I like his posting style this game. He seems very pro town to me. Only mafia would self vote. *eyes slam* What kind of bullshit is this? Basically every mayor has done that no? | ||
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On November 25 2020 08:55 Tictock wrote: Since Vanilla? No, I got into the game during Wrath of the Litch King (which is a bit ironic as this expansion is kinda a follow up to it) and have played at least the launch of every expansion since. It's been a long time since I raided seriously or anything. I have actually managed to pretty much hit end game here as well so should put in a bit of time tonight and be around before deadline. At this point anybody seriously wanting to be mayor had better have actual opinions, a preffered lynch target, and reasons why. Ok fair. I believe: Hapa and Rayn town Grack also town Vivax likely town FF town lean Unsure on ShoCkeyy Jockmcplop unsure (he got tired) TT unsure Anyone I have forgotten is scummy by poe. Why so forgettable and absent | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: hey slam my campaign is MAKE VIVAX STRONG AGAIN!!!!!! Lol Maybe I need to get on the rayn train | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I genuinely might get too drunk atm if i continue. So bed time for me Deadline for me is work (basically). If anyone tells "rayn is just posting random shit without quoting smartly" fucking kill that every day. Well I am actually posting random shit so Idk | ||
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On November 25 2020 10:02 Trfel wrote: Alakaslam, you around? What do you think of me? Given that I was your main scumread earlier (at least, I think? trying to interpret your post, correct me if I'm wrong) and it seems you have forgotten about that in your latest list post. I wasn’t around. I am now if you still are; and there it is scummier still! Nah actually it turned into a TR because of Hapa. You can thank him. So that leaves me sussing TT and Jock | ||
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On November 25 2020 11:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: I personally think mafia would be trying hard, extremely hard to become mayor. Not necessarily but ok. You think you could explain pushing a mafia agenda as mayor? | ||
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On November 25 2020 12:18 Grackaroni wrote: If there's one reason why mafia would not want to be mayor it's that if they kill a town they are overwhelmingly likely to be checked at night. | ||
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On November 25 2020 12:29 Grackaroni wrote: I'm surprised. I don't think it will be that easy. I'd bet on Slam being town as well at this point. The way he's focussing on you not pushing hard to become mayor strikes me as town. Yeah and then he says “I should be mayor” after I finally get a flat tire for my wheel from him. But he did give me a tire. Which was all I asked for. He also put whipped cream on it MVGA | ||
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On November 25 2020 12:31 Grackaroni wrote: My thought is that Slam has his own unique concerns that shine through as town that most people don't care about while as mafia you don't see that as much as he tries to blend. Huh Yeah, actually that makes sense Noted but I don’t think I can do anything about that for my scum play. Dang. | ||
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On November 25 2020 12:32 Grackaroni wrote: not me of course though because I would most definitely kill a mafia. Well and you are running. On November 25 2020 12:33 Grackaroni wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about lol. Read Rayn’s interaction with me Page 11 I think? | ||
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But it’s probably also true It’s like this except if Han was actually imperial | ||
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On November 25 2020 12:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'm technically the front runner! The trick is to demonize your opponents. Call them names like Raging Rayn and Shady 'Hapa' Hauli. Then people will know not to vote for them. But my platform I should run on my platform! What promises I will provide. | ||
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On November 25 2020 14:57 Trfel wrote: @Fecalfeast, why can't Alakaslam have a fun tone as mafia, especially given that he much prefers the mafia alignment? Why are you suspicious of Hapahauli? Because I also wanna win when I’m mafia And also because I can Yes all those noises it’s the best | ||
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On November 25 2020 15:32 Trfel wrote: Town Town Lean Hapahauli + Show Spoiler [explanation] + Hapahauli has been providing critical thinking and has been very present this game. He's pushing his own ideas (suspicious of Grackaroni). Null Alakaslam + Show Spoiler [explanation] + I admit I've been having some trouble reading Alakaslam this game. My toneread on him suggests that he is town, but his mayoral campaign has been a bit suspect as well. I dunno. The recent game where he was mafia, he just came in and started sharing random thoughts and relevant reads. Here he's been much more joking but still somewhat connected to the thread. But the substance is really lacking. He's shared one suspicion (? if it's even that), one scumread (soon retracted), and one list post. And he said he'd have more time to play so he'd be sharing all his thoughts. Beats me. ShoCkeyy Grackaroni + Show Spoiler [explanation] + I stand by the points earlier about Grackaroni's response to me calling out his post. Even moreso than the initial post, his follow-up felt quite off. However, outside of that I could see Grackaroni being town this game. Really, the main other thing I find notable about his filter is that he hasn't really found anything suspicious, except for possibly my interaction with him (which he never really followed up on since then, only answering questions about it; in other words, he hasn't followed up his read on me, or tried to figure out my alignment since then). Despite having a mayoral campaign, he seems very unconcerned about who he wants to lynch. Tictock + Show Spoiler [explanation] + He hasn't really said much at all. At least he does have a scumread (Fecalfeast), which is more than I can say for some others. But I'm unfortunately not confident in reading him given the low amount of content. Fecalfeast Vivax Mafia Lean Jockmcplop + Show Spoiler [explanation] + I thought there was more in Jockmcplop's filter, but while reading it through again, it's actually quite underwhelming. Jockmcplop presents exactly three ideas:
Jockmcplop's play has been pretty bleh so far. It's not terrible, but unremarkable and lacking the critical thinking, substance, and quality that he usually shows as town. raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler [explanation] + I'll start this off by saying that raynpelikoneet is very capable as mafia, in my opinion. With that said, he seems to not care a ton about his reads this game, especially his scumreads. It almost feels disconnected. To clarify, I mentioned two points earlier about raynpelikoneet: his read on Alakaslam, and lack of stubbornness. I don't think those are very strong anymore, the timing of his read change on Alakaslam matches, and I will always understand/allow someone trying a different playstyle (given that the change isn't mafia motivated). But his scumreads. First he was suspicious of Hapahauli, but when he was going to bed he posted about his townreads instead. And he didn't really discuss his read on Hapahauli much either. He's explained it of course, but he hasn't been pushing it, which confuses me. Maybe there's some reason why (as town) raynpelikoneet wouldn't want to pursue that at this time, but it's a trend with his other reads too. He is suspicious of ShoCkeyy for being disconnected and not following along (which to me at least is hard to tell, ShoCkeyy has a tendency to not contribute much substance, especially early on). And he is suspicious of Fecalfeast but I don't believe he ever said why. And he's unsure about me and Hapahauli. He later says that his reads are mostly POE, and acknowledges that ShoCkeyy doesn't have reads early on. It just doesn't quite add up for me. He's campaigning to be mayor, but he's not really got any strong scumreads, just a POE. For a player who has been very present and has been sharing his thoughts, working off of a POE with near-instant townreads and not having solid reasons for scumreading lurkers seems very suspect. I need to keep thinking about this but raynpelikoneet feels very present in this game, but uninvolved where it matters. Like he's managed to take a backseat despite constantly posting his thoughts. And I feel that that makes him more likely mafia. Mafia I know, way too many people are null I'm disappointed about it too. I'll be around for the next hour or so and keep thinking about it, if anyone wants to talk. I'd like to reread Vivax too, I feel like I should have a better read on him by this point. Hijole TT got us list posting for mayor. Be scummy! Get elected! lol. Let’s hunt | ||
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On November 26 2020 00:36 DoYouHas wrote: A few reminders and such: If you have any chance of winning the mayoral election, please send your lynch target well ahead of the deadline to both myself and GreYMist. You can change your mind at any point up to the deadline, but knowing ahead of time will expedite the night post. The pardoner is unable to pardon this first lynch, decided by the mayor. Next official votecount will be ~2hr before deadline. Currently Trfel is set to be elected mayor and Alakaslam will be pardoner. Voting is mandatory. Day 1 ends in , on Wednesday, Nov 25 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Shit shit shit! Place lynch votes this way: <Alakaslam can die> So as not to confuse with mayoral preference. If not here don’t worry, I am also gonna comb the thread. | ||
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TT FF Grack Jock Please understand this makes my personal lynch pool TT or Jock. By preference TT, because warcraft too much. | ||
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On November 26 2020 01:53 Vivax wrote: Dunno, in theory we'd want someone with a good role + chance to be NKd early to be mayor. I'm not that sure that you, Slam and Trfel fit into that picture. Trfel does have good reads as of late though, and he's the read I'm most confident in. That said, I'll vote for him. But I think having to campaign is unnecessary. Everyone should just decide on their own. You can’t know perhaps the biggest part of this. Anyway I am still campaigning and really feel like Trfel has been flying in the face of town sentiment; he susses people that basically no one else does. Yet that’s true of almost everyone so meh, carry on making him mayor if we must. | ||
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On November 26 2020 02:39 Tictock wrote: Why are people not voting for Rayn? As far as I can tell nobody really has Sus on him so it's weird to me that more ppl are not supporting him. I kinda want to say I'd preffer mayor be between Rayn and Grack (as I also trust either to be pardoner), but thats a bit hard for me to say when Grack (as well as 90%) of the game want me dead. Actually only 2 people have fully come out and said that, and I chose you out of the pool of people that various folks want dead. | ||
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I am no longer running and support Rayn. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:31 Fecalfeast wrote: I just followed my preferred candidate to someone I think of as town Is any mayoral candidate NOT likely going to kill me? I wasnt but I conceded | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay i am gonna do grack, let's hope i am wrong and you are right. seems like everyone active aside from me here thinks he is mafia. What? I don’t. I did not suspect grack. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry if you are town but everyone who actually care to say something here seem to think youre mafia and i value hapa's opinion, and i dont really think he is mafia here. U wot m8 kill grack before TT! I mean, Hapa argument holds water but really I don’t see the whole town clamoring for anyone. Lynch who you want. I would have TT but it’s up to you. | ||
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Why are you lynching grack before TT? | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:54 Tictock wrote: Do you really think I am mafia after the last game? Who else? It’s basically PoE because you said so little until now. And now... is like the scummiest time to become active with mostly salvation as your apparent goal am I wrong? | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:55 Grackaroni wrote: You just said I had too many reads! If you want a good chance at mafia snap lynch Trfel If he’s mafia he will just pardon himself. Waste of lynch. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:57 Tictock wrote: I was just wondering if you had a real "oh yea this is his mafia play" read on me or if it was a low-hanging fruit thing Neither; it’s the lack of play at all! Low hanging fruit right now is probably FF or Jock. They literally have not pushed back against those accusing them at all. You at least have done that. | ||
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On November 26 2020 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Elaborate please. Where does this come from? It was just so weird, they were off in their own corner and I saw no real particularly townie thing from them. Lots of good stuff, but scum can do good too. It’s how you swindle town. | ||
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Comfortable with my vote. | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem i see here is that it should be quite clear why i decided to change my lynch preference, as i said so. After that you start thinking Hapa and Trfel are mafia, not TT anymore, who was btw one of the people who at least quickly jumped on Grack is mafia train. Like i would be totally fine with your eod if you started yelling me "look this super scummy TT is gonna make you change the lynch!!" but no, that's not what you did. Even though TT technically at least possibly played a role in that. Another thing is that you had no problem with me lynching FF while you didn't think he was the best lynch. Suddenly there was a big nono when i move to some other target that is STILL not your preferred lynch. Think about this though. It’s NAI. If Grack were scum, that would implicate me. | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it would implicate you MORE. It still may make you mafia because mafia often times react in completely retarded ways on something they dont expect to happen. Ok | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let me ask you this Slam: When i asked you about your scumreads on Hapa and Trfel, why did you decide to answer me before looking at the flip? I mean like, if Grack had flipped mafia you should have said "i am dumb fuck me" and that is a reasonable answer. You know hapa was right? | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: right on what? My point. Literally everything. Stop getting hung up on stupid timings of posts. You are literally assuming a false thing, so I can’t answer you. I obviously read the flip first. I didn’t expect 3p this game since it was full size. You asked a question; that was more important than my reactive remarks about the flip. Grack did not play like scum. Well, I wasn’t exactly wrong, but Hapa was also right as Grack was still anti town. | ||
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On November 26 2020 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think Hapa is town and not that Hapa and Trfel are mafia anymore? Right. I don’t think Hapa would be so spot on and Trfel is making real cases, of the type not seen since, I don’t know, Since Darth Vader felt the presence of Obi Wan. Like a long time ago. I’m back to actually agreeing with Trfel’s case. Here are my notes from my all filter dive when I thought I had a decent shot at mayoral election: Whole foods Red lettuce 3 heads Pork belly 3 chunks (from butcher) leaner chunk IF NOT; pork Loin 3 cloves whole garlic Woori market Jin Ramen mild 5 pack ($4.99) Shin Ramen same The ginger Stumptown 2 decaf hot latte ShoCkeyy wants Grack dead Jock is unsure Grack wants TT dead TT wants FF dead Rayn wants FF dead FF wants TT dead Vivax maybe Jock? Hapa wants Grack or Shokeyy Trfel wants jock or rayn Yes I put it with my shopping list. Anyway, I literally couldn’t gather who Jock or Vivax suspected, but Vivax at least had a tendency. Also ShoCkeyy looks good from this analysis. | ||
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On November 26 2020 08:17 Trfel wrote: In other news, I'm starting to think less and less that raynpelikoneet is mafia. And I'm wondering more about Fecalfeast. Though I'm not sure if Fecalfeast would be quite this useless as mafia? Probably a terrible metric. Not really confident at all on who else is mafia (regardless of if I am right or not on Jockmcplop), unfortunately. Also, I won't be around for the deadline tomorrow, since it's a night deadline that should be fine though. How about I solve that for you: Rayn is not mafia | ||
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On November 26 2020 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: you must be mafia because you drink decaf btw... That was for my wife and mother in law. I prefer black, didn’t you see me getting that in AZ? Or maybe I got the lemonade. Anyway, hapa was right 3 times in a row was my angle. Right that Grack was not town, right that I was aware of his flip prior to posting, and right that it’s not indicative for me. | ||
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On November 26 2020 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically Grack flipping the worst fucking role for the town ever was just a coincidence. Also how can you be right and Hapa be right at the same time if you are both same alignment and thought completely opposite things?!?!?!? I am right about myself. I am right that I had checked the lynch. I never claimed to be right about grack’s alignment post flip. | ||
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On November 26 2020 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: eh.. i dont think you understand my point Or you aren’t allowing for the truth so I literally cannot give you an adequate answer? | ||
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On November 26 2020 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna try to explain before i go to bed. My point is this: Prior to Grackaroni's flip you seemed to think that Hapa and Trfel are mafia because they are sitting in a corner trying to push something. After Grackaroni flips you seem to have changed your opinion on that (at least) Hapa isn't mafia for that anymore. That doesn't make much sense to me because if we assume Hapa is mafia then he doesn't know if Grackaroni is town or 3p, he only knows that Grackaroni is not mafia. I dont understand why Grackaroni flipping NOT mafia would give any town credit to Hapa (or anyone else in itself)? Because it does not make any sense. As to my original argument i still don't see any reason to change my view on that i think it is plausible you knew Grackaroni is not mafia before the flip. That's because of how you reacted to other people when i changed my lynch preference, and how you did NOT react to TT's posting at the time. It looks very bad to me tbh. Also coupled with the fact that -- where this argument went to -- you are simultaneously... idk like ... uhh.. trying to give Hapa credit for pointing out grack as not town and then also saying you were right on that grack was not mafia. It feels really weird for me, if you really think hapa can somehow discern 3p from town D1 then why should YOU be happy for being "right"? Shouldnt you be able to do that aswell if you were to get any credit? It seems like you are treating one and only one -- same situation one way for one person and the other way for another person. No. I’m not celebrating, but I am relieved I wasn’t completely wrong. I think there are four types of play in mafia, at least in this setup, and you are being very American and dividing it into two. If you consider red, blue, green, and black, then recognizing that black is not green or blue is a skill. A less good skill is seeing that black is not red, and thinking red is green is really bad because they are opposites. Blue is different entirely. | ||
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On November 26 2020 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: In simple words, if you think hapa should have any credit for figuring out a 3p, why should you have any credit for not doing so? Right now you are saying both of you should, because grack was not town nor mafia lol.. When did I ask for credit? I explained to your hounding that I was expressing relief in NOT BEING QUITE AS WRONG AS I THOUGHT, not celebrating being somehow right! | ||
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On November 26 2020 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know you didnt ask for credit, i just subtly read it as so, because of "i was not quite wrong". In my world you saying "i was not quite wrong" and "hapa was right", one of the things is wrong. If you dont get why i think this, maybe someone who speaks better english and is smart can explain it in english... Now i have to go to bed, so good night. Black blue green red | ||
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On November 26 2020 10:42 Fecalfeast wrote: So how's everyone doing? Tired but happy How about you? | ||
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On November 26 2020 11:17 Tictock wrote: Seems like he is just saying neither was totally wrong since he flipped neither town nor scum To mafia Gracks flip would have been a nice bonus as they just thought they were getting a mislynch. Well I hope this cuts through the argument because it felt like this Probably on both sides | ||
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On November 26 2020 12:41 Trfel wrote: Honestly a bit down IRL still, but recovering. If anyone wants to talk about anything I am happy to! What happened? | ||
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On November 26 2020 12:44 Hapahauli wrote: Thoughts on my Vivax case? For what it’s worth, I agree that Jock doesn’t look great, although for slightly different reasons. I don’t think you were asking me, but I happen to see merit in it. | ||
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On November 26 2020 14:59 Trfel wrote: Nothing in particular, just I've been dealing with a heavy case of clinical depression for a few years now, unfortunately. It’s rough. Is yours treatable? Depression is sometimes caused by treatable imbalances. But, of course, sometimes you have to live with it. I really hope that isn’t your case! I got so bad at one point that I bought a gun expressly to be prepared for suicide. But I knew three Korean kids who so completely adored me, that when I reached that low point, I saw what I can only describe as a vision; the three kids were at my funeral. The oldest was angrily cursing my cowardice and becoming deeply cynical. The middle kid was totally withdrawn and had a dark look. The youngest was just crying and asking why the oldest was so mad, wasn’t I sad enough to be dead? I burst into tears and thanked God and the state of California for the DROS process. The gun would not be delivered for another week. Since then, I’ve married a Korean woman and those kids (or their parents) have no idea they are largely the reason I am still alive. Depression is serious. Find someone long before it ever gets that bad, preferably someone with M.D. in their title! ... Yeah 🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷 Hwaiting! You might just pull out of it suddenly too, I had a buddy who did that. We’re all more the same than different, but we are still all different nonetheless. But I had no idea I was so down until I finished the DROS process. | ||
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On November 26 2020 15:08 Trfel wrote: Do you have any thoughts on who you think is mafia? Oh Yeah [img]https://i.imgur.com/YFNiIB0.png So I was on Jockmcplop and seems now Vivax most recently. I had suspected you and Hapa but I have a hard time seeing Townmelds from scum collusion. | ||
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On November 26 2020 16:41 Alakaslam wrote: Oh Yeah So I was on Jockmcplop and seems now Vivax most recently. I had suspected you and Hapa but I have a hard time seeing Townmelds from scum collusion. Fixed the image | ||
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On November 26 2020 17:14 Trfel wrote: Thanks guys, appreciate it. I'm not sure how treatable my depression is, I'm on medication for it, but I'm just not sure how much that helps, unfortunately. @Alakaslam, can I ask why you are suspecting Vivax now? Is it based on what Hapahauli said, or other reasons? It is based on Hapa. I’m interested to see a Vivax response (which may have already happened. I’ll get there.) | ||
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11-26-2020 05:03 PM ET (US) My thought on leaving was that mafia was Vivax/Trfel. Hopefully that ends up being true and Hapa tears into them. :D 55 Justin RockerPerson was signed in when posted 11-26-2020 04:26 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE My first check was ShoCkeyy the obvious town. My next check would have been Rayn. | ||
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HAPASCUM HAPA TRFEL HAPA TRFEL HAPA TRFEL literally to endgame. I could not believe the coordination could be between town. So I agree with DYH amazingly good job by Hapa and Trfel! I should have ceded that way but I was more suspicious of that coordinated effort so early. | ||
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Well It kept my interest after I was removed from game, how’s that? | ||
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On December 03 2020 07:19 iamperfection wrote: your joking right. Should he have not guessed? he has to choose one of the 3. and no if hes wrong town has a whole list of reason for why they lost not for messing up a guess???? Yeah it would be like blaming me for getting shot; because that would hold more water. I did not need to soft claim all over the place but I did. | ||
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