[M][T] Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2
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On October 27 2020 16:23 GreYMisT wrote: My firm has an incredible policy that they offer, very fortunate there. My son will be 3 weeks on Wednesday. The hardest part has been getting his days and nights flipped appropriately. That and convincing him to play Zerg later in life. You're too late. You should already have been playing the zerg soundtrack for your significant other while the baby was still in the womb. But there's hope, just keep talking about mutalisks and zerglings. Maybe aim for "spawn more overlords" as his first words? | ||
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On October 28 2020 01:40 GreYMisT wrote: Please see the game information post for new, updated information regarding the setup. The game will begin on Wednesday, Oct 28 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). remain. Hahaha, reading the setup and thinking you'll understand this game. Typical mafia move. | ||
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Also, hi everybody, lets have fun! | ||
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On October 28 2020 20:19 Dirkzor wrote: Im in a meeting. Cant focus much... what do do with the corruption counter thingy? Organize it so it doesn't go up or what do you think? Honestly, I ignored it as I don't know what it is. I remember it being in previous aperture games. It sounds bad, so lets keep it low! But other than that.. I'm mostly going with a "roll with the punches" approach to the roles and mechanics. Weird shit will happen, and we should deal with it when it happens. Right now corruption is at 0, so I'm not worried! | ||
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On October 28 2020 20:30 Dirkzor wrote: Maybe due to no vote today? That makes sense. You convinced me to read the OP more closely, and we *do* have to coordinate corruption. If I understand it, we need 1 person per night to check the database to stop it from getting corrupted... and also fewer than 6 (tonight). So somebody who doesn't want to action tonight should use the database, and everybody else should stay away? Unless there are 5 scummers (absurd), that means we should be able to control corruption, right? | ||
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On October 28 2020 21:09 Dirkzor wrote: + Show Spoiler + The TL Mafia Database The TL Mafia Database is a wealth of information, and has assisted players with their quest for victory in many games. Sadly, it is in a sorry state of disrepair. Weakening security protocols and new technology has enabled greater access, but more serious danger of Aperture Science infiltration. Without proper care, the database will destabilize with disastrous results. Each night, a player, instead of performing any action they may have, may visit the database and target another player. You will recieve a clue about that player's role or the setup at large. You can choose to learn whether your target has a role that has been in a previous aperture game before, If your target has activated some part of their role, what modifiers, if any, are currently affecting your target, or what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause. Because your connection to the database is unencrypted, Aperture Science will learn who you have targeted, but not the information you obtain. Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways. If no players visit the Database, it will continue to destabilize, causing the Corruption Counter to increase by 1. In addition, if too many people (half a majority of players alive - for example, 4 players with 12 players alive) visit the database, the corruption counter will increase by 1. At corruption levels of 1, 3, and 5, a special effect will occur that will modify the game in some way. I think it would be nice to know what happens when the corruption counter increase. So maybe we could have 1 person check that and report back tomorrow. 4 people using this device (unless other, better, night actions available) does seem like a good strategy for us. The more info we have the easier it gets to find scum/third parties... Wait. You *want* corruption to increase?!!! | ||
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On October 28 2020 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because inam at work and you are asking me questions that are very stupid. You're clearly F5ing the thread as you keep popping in, and reacting to dirkzor. So all I got is that you are avoiding me. Regardless of the intelligence of my "questions". And you are clearly not avoiding me in order to stop us from bickering, as you just called me stupid... | ||
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On October 28 2020 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry, i am not calling you stupid Acrofales. I mainly never understand your train of thought and why you do the stuff you do and ask the questions you do, because to me most of the time they seem worthless and i dont understand how you can deduct any alignment indicative things from the answers. I mean like, you asked me if i am mafia or if i am a third faction. How on earth you think i am giving you any other answer than "no" regardless of my affiliation and how on earth that answer can tell you anything about my alignment? That's why i think the questions are stupid and i dont see a point in answering them. That's the only thing you have interacted with me. I dont genuinely have any reason to "avoid you" regardless of my alignment. I am basically just going to wait for more people to post, corruption counter is interesting. Especially to see what people want to do with it. It actually CAN tell something about someone's alignment. I mean like i think Dirkzor is town already. What I am doing is trying to get you to talk. It's not so much that you deny you're scum (duh), it's how you do it. Anyway, I do like this post. It feels like you're thinking about my alignment, and don't already know it. Been quite a while, so I don't know if scum!rayn is good at faking that, but at least you didn't escalate and start a fight. Town list for now. Not sure what you see in dirkzor. I don't see anything indicative of alignment. Seems easy enough for scum to talk about corruption. And not understanding the mechanics is null. @dirkzor: that bit made sense. My problem is with you wanting to send 4 people to the database, which in the bit you quoted, last paragraph, says pretty black on white that it will increase the corruption counter. In any case, if we send 4 people, they shouldn't ask what the next level does, as we'll definitely find out the hard way! | ||
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On October 28 2020 22:47 iamperfection wrote: You did say sorry though. That is pretty scummy ooh people! hello lamp! | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean mafia, town, who? Ideally I'd send 3 mafia! (1) they can't use night actions, (2) they are almost certain to survive the night, and (3) even if they lie about their findings, catching a scummer in a lie like that is great info. So please, if you're mafia, volunteer to go to the TL Mafia Database tonight. It'll be a huge help! (obviously, volunteering for this duty is *not* a scumtell). | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes i dont think he'd do that without discussing it first with his teammates. the intention of my first post was to get reaction from him mainly, because we just talked about the other game before the game started. I think it's actually best to full-claim with everyone at the start of the game (i also know that's not gonna happen because people dont believe in it), i havent lost an all-roled game where people actually did that, ever. I kinda thought he was mafia when he didnt post at first, but then he came in with a really really anti-town suggestion about the corruption level (if you are town you know what i mean, townies mainly fear for unknown -- as they should). It's like, he would have to take a step back to wait for his teammates to answer my opening, but then he just goes with THAT of everything he could have said. If you get what i mean. I think you're reading a hell of a lot into it. (1) I don't really see how his mechanic discussion was good or bad. It was mechanics discussion. He misunderstood something and yolo'd it. He really did understand something else and latched onto it, and it's a good idea for town, so I don't see how him saying to send 4 people (bad) to find out what 1 person (good) should find out was so outrageously anti-town. (2) You are expecting a hell of a lot of coordination from scum. I admit it has been a long time since I played mafia, but my experience with scum teams has been that coordination in anything except Grand Schemes (TM) during the day is pretty non-existent. That said, if this is a hugely anti-town proposal, I guess it's a Grand Scheme, and a scummer would want to run it by his team-mates first. But I don't see his remarks as anything I would run by my buddies if it was scum!me making them. Maybe explain it to me in babysteps, as I really don't see it. | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmm, i actually read on of Dirkzor's posts wrong, he was not really saying he wants the corruption counter to increase. So ditch that town read. Lol. At least this whole exchange firms up my town read on you. I am not liking Iamp after the little exchange with him. He is sitting on a fence and waiting for people to feed him ideas... and then when you lay it out for him he is super uncritical of it. | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:57 iamperfection wrote: Acro is probably 3p he always is. Statistically true for very small values of always. Large margin of error, though, because it is false this game! | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:19 Hapahauli wrote: Slightly town. I did like his thoughts about the game mechanic. However, him thinking critically about the game mechanic can mean any number of things: 1) Pro-town contribution from a player who is thinking about how to get information for the town; 2) A third-party who's win-condition is somehow tied to usage of the TL Mafia Database; 3) A mafia member who has enough extra information about the Database to know that his idea is either pro-mafia or ultimately harmless to mafia's objectives. I lean towards #1, because the information deficit of town is a disadvantage to town in the theme games I have played. Do you always post this... constructed? | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:26 Grackaroni wrote: I don't really care either way. From what I gather the corruption levels are probably the most important thing from the database and making sure the right number of people goes there probably makes more of a difference than any of options you get to choose from. I won't be doing anything though so if other people don't want to go then I'll go. I wonder if the scumteam already figured out their night actions? If that is unlikely, this seems pretty townie. | ||
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Scum has to (1) use roles, and (2) carry KP. So unless they already figured out who is carrying KP and what roles they're using, a scum!Grack shouldn't volunteer to go on a town mission. | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:33 iamperfection wrote: I would doubt extremely that they would have actions figured out yet too Lemme check the QT. Oh wait. | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: I try to present my reads in a very constructed format. That all being said, I'm having a bit of a hard time thinking about how I want to approach this game, because my role has two win conditions. One is that I can win with town, and the other is... a bit strange, but potentially pro-town. I may choose to reveal more as I learn more about the setup. I hate survivor claims. But yeah, feel free to afk all game. Zzzzz. | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:42 iamperfection wrote: What no we force him to win with town I will make him Okay... lead the way. But color me skeptical that you can force a survivor to do much of anything. I briefly entertained the idea that he's a scummer fake claiming early on to afk all game but it just seems so... lazy. I mean. Maybe? I guess we just don't let him use it as a "get out of lynch free" card. For starters, @Hapa: you have to visit the TL Database tonight. You don't get to use your Night Actions as I don't trust you. | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:57 Hapahauli wrote: I wish I could say I was purely a survivor, but my alternate win-con is a good deal more complicated than that. After all, it's a Greymist game. That all being said, I don't mind visiting the database, but I have a couple of questions: 1) I thought we were playing "resistance" for Database slots. 2) Why do you believe you can force me to do anything, if you freely admit that you can't generally force survivors do to anything? 3) Why do you discount the possibility that my win-con may have something to do with the Database? (1) What gave you that idea? Dirkzor and Slam want to play resistance. I don't see how that helps at all. I'd rather send people I don't trust to stop them from doing anything else at night. (2) You're right. But I *can* vote for you. And if enough other people agree you are anti-town 3p and need to die.. well... good luck surviving being thrown out of the airlock. (3) Right. But why do I care about your wincon unless it's anti-town. Is visiting the database anti-town? it sounds pretty useful to me. And I don't trust you to use your night actions to further town's goals. Anyway, it doesn't really matter: if we don't tell you to go to the database you might go anyway, regardless of what we instruct you to do. So how is your wincon relevant to this? Anyway, it's mostly to stop you from using any night actions that might harm town. At least if you go to the database we can somewhat verify that you did, as presumably the info you get can be doublechecked with the player you ask for info on. | ||
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TLDR: I believe he's 3p. I don't believe he has any reason to play town-favoured. Other than what town forces him into. So.. for all intents and purposes: survivor. I haven't yet thought through how this claim would work with a cultist, SK or other definitely anti-town 3p roles. It's probably possible. Especially for something like a cultist. Hell, he's not even lying. He can win with town, as long as all of town is converted into his thralls! | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant. Why? What? Lynch. "If I'm mafia"? Dafuq? Also, I got nothing to do with this. Kill with fire. Anyway, still catching up. My impressions so far of where I left off yesterday: Rayn needs to take a chill pill. He was going completely bonkers, and the whole Yamato thing was not cool. I understand Yamato: there are people I would also rather not play with, and seeing they signed up at the very last second can be offputting. I don't think it makes him town or scum. Imho the right thing to do is to shut up and replace out, but trying to second guess whether Yamato is playing *despite* Rayn because he's excited about the game, or because he feels some kind of obligation.. I dunno. In general, he hasn't impressed me and I still think Rayn is town, albeit one with cabin fever. If Yamato is town I hope he sits down and plays the game proper. If all he does is moan about Rayn, then he's probably scum with a lazy excuse. Hapa: you need to claim for real. Nothing you're doing makes sense. You claimed, you recanted your claim, you unrecanted your claim and you used your claim as a reaction test. I don't believe any of it. Claim your wincon and whether you have KP. | ||
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On October 29 2020 16:32 Dirkzor wrote: ##Commence Space-Time Destabilization I'm claiming named town. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson. I've been thinking about this for a while now. I wasnt sure how to play this out or what do to. But i figured the best way to do it was to be open about it so that town can benefit the most from the information i am about to give. I have a 1 shot ability (##Commence Space-Time Destabilization) that in 5 phases town will give a great benefit to town. Some kind of hint/info will be sent to me. I don't know what it is though. The downside is that the corruption level will increase by 1. (the flavor is that i spend a lot of database capacity to study "Event Horizon Level" and spent 5 phases doing that and will then have found the answer) Further more I will show up as "3rd party" or "not town" if someone check my alignment. (i wasn't sure if this was town to write this. But my thought was that i'd rather be upfront and let you make your own conclusion instead of being checked N1 and then fight the uphill battle with the rest of the town and let mafia ride it out) I also have a somewhat useful night action (for town) that i won't disclose for now. I thought about what this will mean going further: This will put a target on my back. I'm hoping i can be protected. And if not it will help other townies to come to their own conclusion. This might be disruptive on the short term, but i hope the long term gain out weight this. I wanted to do this as early as possible so to get the info as soon as possible. And figuring we dont vote on this day i thought it would be better to do it now rather than later. I don't know what the corruption increase will do, but i'm willing to take that risk. I hope you do too. I didn't want to ask about this since it would be a whole lot of discussion where no-one knew anything anyway, and if we ended agreeing that i shouldn't do it, people would wonder if i actually could or not. Anyway. Thats my claim. The timer should show up in thread so you can see my ability is real. I'm in meeting the next 7 hours, but will do the multitask thingy =) Wow. I actually believe you're town despite all this. It just feels wayyyy too ballsy for a scummer to pull off. Palmar or VE might do it, I guess? But claiming self-aware miller, increasing the corruption AND setting off a time bomb in the thread on N0? Seems way too reckless for mafia. I guess if it's the mother of all abilities? | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think he is town though because my role says he is lol Hm. Ok. I believe you're town, and you believe he is. But I need more than this. You masons? | ||
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On October 29 2020 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Activate Deja Vu Engine: (raynpelikoneet)(day 0) ... What do you think of dirkzor? | ||
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Why you being obtuse and difficult. :/ Use your words. How does your role confirm shockeyy as town if you aren't masons? And he doesn't even know you're town from his role. Explain. | ||
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On October 29 2020 19:40 Dirkzor wrote: Well, if its like my own one off power it just sort of happens. I don't think my ability could get roleblocked (i cant be sure of course). I'm also noting that greymist didn't do anything. This might mean nothing or it might mean it was a fake ability. Why rayn would do that i don't know. That's why i want more information. Right now it doesn't mean anything without any context and that makes me think its scummy. It's a greymist game, people posting weird shit in the thread and that having a public, private or no effect at all is kinda par for the course. I don't really read too much into people activating abilities until it's clear what happened. Like in your case, it was clear that whatever you did, caused an event horizon to appear and the corruption to increase. We then have to believe you that the event horizon counter thingy is a good thing. I am choosing to do so. Speaking of, why didn't the event horizon counter decrease with the phase change? | ||
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On October 30 2020 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still have a couple of things that bother me a great deal. I just cant get over this. We get grades but why isn't Slam there? I dont understand it, Slam should get F by the post above. I also dont understand why Acrofales has been over on why i know shockeyy is town but not interested at all when Hapa knew i am town.... Fairly certain hapa said it was a read. And I'm just mistrusting of 3rd party "reads" as a matter of course. But he never categorically stated you're town. Regarding Hapa's "updated" claim, I don't get it. If town, why claim alternate wincon? Either you win with town, yay, or you fulfill your wincon and leave early. I've had a role like that, and I explicitly avoided completing to help town. You don't claim some kinda town aligned 3p. So that's a lie. He's 3p or scum. I discarded scum yesterday because of the earliness of the claim. So yeah, some kinda 3p. Probably not gonna help town. | ||
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On October 30 2020 03:15 Hapahauli wrote: Thoughts on the game with a fresh set of eyes: Onegu and Koshi are good vig targets at this point. No feelings on them either way - Koshi from a lack of posting, and Onegu from a lack of substance beyond a playfulness with is seeming role mechanic. Rayn, Iamp, Dirk, and Yamato feel strongly not-mafia (be it VT, neutral 3rd party, pro-town 3rd party... whatever). - Rayn can be dickish as mafia, but he is generally dickish with an agenda. I don't see any agenda in what he was doing last night other than pure tilt, which is much more likely to come from town. - Iamp is very engaged and posting loosely. - Dirk's posting history and story very much checks out with someone who has a game mechanic tied to the Corruption Counter. Claim is too attention seeking. - Yamato is a meta read. His tone has stayed very productive and constructive. The people that stick out to me as mafia candidates are Slam, Acro, and Grack (in no particular order). - Slam's explanation for the "lol hapa duh" comment is plausible, in that he may have simply quoted the wrong post and made the comment in reference to me being "not town". However, there is a "calmness" to his posting that typically comes from his mafia games from recent memory. - Grack has been reasonably active and has been posting, but he has been largely offering safe (and confident) opinions on claims (myself and Dirkzor), as well as fairly substanceless mechanics discussions. The vibe of his filter is that he is happy posting his opinion on something and moving on, rather than engaging the thread in meaningful ways. - Acro's filter does not look good on a second readthrough. A lot of words and not a whole lot of substance. Two things in particular stick out: 1) very quick and confident judgments on the two claims (myself and Dirkzor). The read on Dirkzor in particular reads like he's grandstanding the importance of his read: 2) His attempt to play "thread cop" after the Rayn/Yamato thing reads like an attempt to contribute without contributing. It's also exceptionally unproductive (since the argument was long gone by the time he showed up), and it only serves to dig up more drama. Do you have KP? | ||
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On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote: I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you? He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with. | ||
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On October 30 2020 17:04 Koshi wrote: 100% mafia read and I would vote Acro just based on that. Good morning. This is more like the TL mafia I remember. Piling on me for no good reason. Especially the lurkers. 100% mafia move. Anyway, I'll use my ability tonight and that'll prove I'm town. It'll be pretty obvious. More in a bit. | ||
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This will give us a double lynch. It has a slight downside of separating the thread today into two, but basically: splits the game into two minigames both with their own lynch. Confirmed town, commence! | ||
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Oh, and I got a PM that I'm a planeteer. Lets explore space together. @Koshi: you can't answer me, but pretty sure your ability can't have been this. This is about as close to an innocent child role I'm gonna get in a greymist game. It's absurd how good this ability is. We should even be able to use it afterward as a list cop ability, as I assume each side has at least 1 mafia or it'd screw over town. Too bad I got stuck with all the scummers over here. @dirkzor: still think you're town, and I think hapa is 3p. So has to be onegu, grack or shockeyyy, who got put here through some kind of voodoo. I smelt town on grack early on, so we lynch onegu or shockeyy. Will filter them this afternoon. | ||
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The reason I think shockeyy and iamp are on the wrong sides is because we are players 2-7 and the other side is 1, 8-12. I have no explanation for how that happened. I have no further clarifications on how the player list is split other than that the "player list" is split in two. I guess instead of splitting it at 6, they could have split it at 7 and done modulo, or iamp or shockeyy have some role specifics that caused this. somebody bus drove them or anything else. My basic interpretation of the role was that it was going to be split in 1-6 and 7-12. | ||
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On October 30 2020 22:19 Hapahauli wrote: I did not visit the database, since there did not appear to be a clear consensus about what I should do. I elected for another night action that is objectively pro-town. I was roleblocked anyway, making it a moot issue. My lynch preferences are Grack and Acro. The secret ballot makes this frustrating, but if we simply make our vote-intentions transparent in thread, if someone else gets lynched, we will likely be able to deduce who lied about their vote. Did you get notified you were roleblocked? Or did you deduce it from something not happening? | ||
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On October 30 2020 22:25 Hapahauli wrote: Is the thread split your only ability? Yup. From now on I'm a VT. I can visit the DB or sit on my hands. | ||
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On October 30 2020 23:18 Hapahauli wrote: EBWOP: I have been delving through past GreyMist games. To be fair to Acro, the "thread-splitting" role has been town in a past GM game (Catastrophe Mafia). That however doesn't invalidate the point that this is not an objectively pro-town role. I honestly didn't know it was used in a mafia mechanic, lol. Figures... greymist games are always weird with scum roles given to town and town roles to scum. Anyway, imho double lynch is super town favoured, if I were scum I would sit on it and never use it. And complain to the hosts about how shitty my role was. Lynches give amazing information, and double lynches give double the information. I see the thread separation ans a minor downside. We basically get double the vote analysis to do from a single day. Not quite sure how much more pro-town a role can get without being an innocent child. Anyway, someone asked for my name, I don't think it's safe to say. Is that info in the database? If it is, I'm happy to give it for doublechecking, but if that is "secret" then I'd rather not get rolename sniped by mafia. | ||
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On October 31 2020 01:58 Grackaroni wrote: I think it's a bit suspicious that Acro is sticking with his town read on me based off volunteering to go to the database when lots of other players did so afterwords including both Onegu and ShoCkkey. I haven't made any effort at all to analyze posts yet. I'm going to start filter diving tonight. My read wasn't off the volunteering, it was off the speed at which you volunteered. By the time onegu and shockeyy came in, plenty of time had passed for scum to come up with a plan to deal with the database and corruption, but you volunteered early and that struck me. Anyway, reading some filters. | ||
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Strike 1: the "I'm too busy to play, but look, I'm posting" thing, and his little spat about what it means to be analytical. He prides himself on being analytical: On October 29 2020 02:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: yea 10 pages of noise data. What is an analytical person? What is an analytical person? An analytical person wants to gather and consider information at length before making a big decision. Even in small choices, they will tend to look to the numbers or data for guidance, rather than making an off-the-cuff choice. If you're truly say I'm not analytical, then I don't think you know what it actually meant. But then he goes: On October 30 2020 04:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: I also don't mind letting iamperfection visit the database alone, no one else, i trust him 100%. This didn't blip on my first read through, as I think lamp is town too. But 100% is a bit much for early in the game. shockeyy claims to need *lots* of data to give any kind of read. And about 24 hours later, he claims Iamp is 100% town. An analytical townie should need more data. Shockeyy is *not* an analytical townie. Town sentiment at the time was trusting of lamp, so mafia just following town sentiment and shmoozing lamp is a safe move. Strike 2: lying and shmoozing. And then there's the weird lying about his role thingy. Not sure what that means, but it's another dose of lying, which is a third strike: you're out! ##vote shockeyy Oh, and I filtered onegu too. I have never read a filter more devoid of anything interesting. John Cage's 4"33 has more content than that filter. I'd like to lynch 2 people from this side of the game, but unfortunately I didn't get a triple lynch ability, so my vote is for shockeyy who is actually scummy rather than just a blank void. | ||
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On October 31 2020 02:53 ShoCkeyy wrote: I didn't go to the database. What I find even more odd is the fact that Acro says this: Why the fuck should I not be here Acro??? DID YOU TRY TO SHOOT ME LAST NIGHT? Nice mock outrage. Scummer. So analytical that you didn't even bother to read the thread. | ||
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On October 31 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Lmfao. Acro is 100% mafia, thanks for letting me know. Took the bait I set out, and straight up went for it. "Bait"? Lol. Kinda a classic goto for scum when they got caught with their pants down. | ||
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On October 31 2020 03:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: Yea yea... you're the one with their pants down. Got caught. Wrong animal, you should be posting baby seals, not cats. But I did my job, caught scum. Will let other people chip in. | ||
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On October 31 2020 03:18 Hapahauli wrote: @ Shockeyy 1) Did you visit the TL Mafia Database last night? 2) Please describe the "trap" that you set for Acro. @ Acro 1) Your posting suggests that your town read on Grack is strong enough that you wouldn't consider lynching him today. This appears to be based on the "speed" by which he volunteered to go to the Database. Is this true? 2) Today, you state that Onegu is a "blank void". Yesterday, you stated to the effect that I should shoot him because he's a scummy void. What changed your mind? Not sure my mind is changed. Just shockeyy went ahead in the line. Also emotions and stuff. Anyway, I haven't filtered grack in detail, but yeah. After reading shockeyy and rereading onegu, I don't see how grack is a priority given my earlier read. Oh, and one thing did strike me about onegu since our last talk: he claims he always plays this way regardless of alignment and that it'll pick up. I don't have the time or energy to dive into onegu's previous games to figure out if the former is true, and despite playing with him, I don't actually remember him being completely useless *when here*. but other people appeared to believe him at least somewhat, so there is that in his favor? | ||
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On October 30 2020 22:25 Hapahauli wrote: I was notified that I was roleblocked in my Night 0 PM from the host. I was also notified that I was selected as a "planeteer". Ok, so as far as we know, you're recruiting a cult and claiming roleblocked. I still don't see how your abilities make you pro-town. At best you're like my chrono trigger role. And there was literally no reason for town not to kill me at any point, except that I was very useful and put it all on the table for town. So I guess keep doing that? | ||
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On October 31 2020 03:33 Grackaroni wrote: For what it's worth I'd bet ShoCkkey is town. Even though it doesn't make any sense. What makes you think that? His claim? | ||
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On October 31 2020 03:47 Hapahauli wrote: If I am an anti-3p townie in your view, why am I not on your lynch list? You are. You're just below shockeyy and onegu. And shockeyy is dropping because that claim makes sense. Unless scum doesn't have KP in the first place. The bus driving lines up perfectly with my role. And I can't really think of a way scum busdrives iamp that doesn't end up with him dead. | ||
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On October 31 2020 03:51 Hapahauli wrote: Lynching me would be part of town's win-con, so you'd have to do it, and today is as good of a day as any other. You make a good point... ##vote onegu | ||
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On October 31 2020 03:56 Hapahauli wrote: No, I'm arguing in the alternative. I am not an anti-town 3p, and no one (except for Acro) seems to believe that I'm an anti-town 3p. Nevertheless, from his perspective, it doesn't make all that much sense to not include me on a lynch list. Per Acro's post at the beginning of this cycle: Emphasis added. Why am I not there? My conclusion is that he's trying to spread paranoia about my role and motives, as opposed to seriously thinking that I am somehow "anti-town". You are right. I am spreading paranoia about your role and motives. I don't trust you at all. You basically confirmed yourself as 3p. Quite likely anti-town 3p. I just have my priorities straight: kill scum. So help me find scum. Killing an outed 3p just.. isn't a priority on D1. | ||
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On October 31 2020 04:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: Acro thoughts on Dirk? Pretty firmly town because his claim was just too ballsy. | ||
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On October 31 2020 04:01 Hapahauli wrote: That does not make any sense Acro. Let's say I'm a serial killer. I am arguably just as much of a threat to the town as mafia. So why then does lynching mafia take priority over lynching me? Well, there was no KP. So either you were legit roleblocked, or you are not an SK. So yeah, not a priority. | ||
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Koshi is mostly due to absense and then just not reading the thread and declaring me scum off yamato's nonsense case. Mostly OMGUS but I don't have much else. Yamato could be scum too, I think. Had him as maybe and haven't rechecked. @iamp: I claimed everything except my name. Not sure what more you want. | ||
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Also, koshi is your mafia there. Trying rather desperately to spin shockeyy's role claim. He seems pissed off about the existence of an immortal busdriving doctor. I imagine scum would be. But the bus driving is pretty much proven and we know there is KP missing. So either he's scum making the entire thing up, and the bus driving is real... and somebody else protected/roleblocked the scum KP without claiming a save. But why bus drive lamp and shockeyy if it isn't to try to kill lamp while messing with protection? And then iamp ends up dead, right? Unless... wait. Could iamp and shockeyy be scum together? @dirkzor: basically his role claim verifying my role and explaining missing kp, as explained above. I don't think we should lynch the doctor? | ||
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I haven't been playing well, and deserve to die. I can't even promise I'll have more time going forward as my plumbing problem isn't solved. But you lynch me and you lynch town. Onegu is the scum on this side. I'm voting for him. If you need anything more from me, I am around for a bit. | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure his clam was a big push to kill Acro in the other thread. Yup, it totally fucked me. Well, that and that I really did not have any time. Thanks for hosting, greymist! Well played town, was a slaughter. | ||
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On November 08 2020 02:32 Alakaslam wrote: But I’d have also never had KP realistically. Every move would have been a mistake by that point; if I hadn’t gone one would have said I should have to gain KP etc etc. And I claimed to gain info- I had planned on actually gaining info and using/sharing according to my discretion I figured you could RB grack. That would have caused 0 people to visit the DB, increasing corruption (except that rayn visited in secret). Your visiting with just grack would not have caused corruption to increase. Not that it would have mattered too much. I think there was too much "confirmed" town. With shockeyy, iamp, dirkzor and hapa pretty much confirmed not-mafia, I don't think there was any way you would have gotten through this: even if you managed to not get lynched twice, you'd probably reach lylo with 2 confirmed townies. That said, you got a lot further than TT and me. Your hiding game was pretty damn good for a while there! | ||
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