EPTOn October 28 2020 23:57 iamperfection wrote:
Acro is probably 3p he always is.
Acro is probably 3p he always is.
Statistically true for very small values of always. Large margin of error, though, because it is false this game!
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Statistically true for very small values of always. Large margin of error, though, because it is false this game! | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:19 Hapahauli wrote: Slightly town. I did like his thoughts about the game mechanic. However, him thinking critically about the game mechanic can mean any number of things: 1) Pro-town contribution from a player who is thinking about how to get information for the town; 2) A third-party who's win-condition is somehow tied to usage of the TL Mafia Database; 3) A mafia member who has enough extra information about the Database to know that his idea is either pro-mafia or ultimately harmless to mafia's objectives. I lean towards #1, because the information deficit of town is a disadvantage to town in the theme games I have played. Do you always post this... constructed? | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:26 Grackaroni wrote: I don't really care either way. From what I gather the corruption levels are probably the most important thing from the database and making sure the right number of people goes there probably makes more of a difference than any of options you get to choose from. I won't be doing anything though so if other people don't want to go then I'll go. I wonder if the scumteam already figured out their night actions? If that is unlikely, this seems pretty townie. | ||
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Scum has to (1) use roles, and (2) carry KP. So unless they already figured out who is carrying KP and what roles they're using, a scum!Grack shouldn't volunteer to go on a town mission. | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:33 iamperfection wrote: I would doubt extremely that they would have actions figured out yet too Lemme check the QT. Oh wait. | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: I try to present my reads in a very constructed format. That all being said, I'm having a bit of a hard time thinking about how I want to approach this game, because my role has two win conditions. One is that I can win with town, and the other is... a bit strange, but potentially pro-town. I may choose to reveal more as I learn more about the setup. I hate survivor claims. But yeah, feel free to afk all game. Zzzzz. | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:42 iamperfection wrote: What no we force him to win with town I will make him Okay... lead the way. But color me skeptical that you can force a survivor to do much of anything. I briefly entertained the idea that he's a scummer fake claiming early on to afk all game but it just seems so... lazy. I mean. Maybe? I guess we just don't let him use it as a "get out of lynch free" card. For starters, @Hapa: you have to visit the TL Database tonight. You don't get to use your Night Actions as I don't trust you. | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:57 Hapahauli wrote: I wish I could say I was purely a survivor, but my alternate win-con is a good deal more complicated than that. After all, it's a Greymist game. That all being said, I don't mind visiting the database, but I have a couple of questions: 1) I thought we were playing "resistance" for Database slots. 2) Why do you believe you can force me to do anything, if you freely admit that you can't generally force survivors do to anything? 3) Why do you discount the possibility that my win-con may have something to do with the Database? (1) What gave you that idea? Dirkzor and Slam want to play resistance. I don't see how that helps at all. I'd rather send people I don't trust to stop them from doing anything else at night. (2) You're right. But I *can* vote for you. And if enough other people agree you are anti-town 3p and need to die.. well... good luck surviving being thrown out of the airlock. (3) Right. But why do I care about your wincon unless it's anti-town. Is visiting the database anti-town? it sounds pretty useful to me. And I don't trust you to use your night actions to further town's goals. Anyway, it doesn't really matter: if we don't tell you to go to the database you might go anyway, regardless of what we instruct you to do. So how is your wincon relevant to this? Anyway, it's mostly to stop you from using any night actions that might harm town. At least if you go to the database we can somewhat verify that you did, as presumably the info you get can be doublechecked with the player you ask for info on. | ||
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TLDR: I believe he's 3p. I don't believe he has any reason to play town-favoured. Other than what town forces him into. So.. for all intents and purposes: survivor. I haven't yet thought through how this claim would work with a cultist, SK or other definitely anti-town 3p roles. It's probably possible. Especially for something like a cultist. Hell, he's not even lying. He can win with town, as long as all of town is converted into his thralls!  | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant. Why? What? Lynch. "If I'm mafia"? Dafuq? Also, I got nothing to do with this. Kill with fire. Anyway, still catching up. My impressions so far of where I left off yesterday: Rayn needs to take a chill pill. He was going completely bonkers, and the whole Yamato thing was not cool. I understand Yamato: there are people I would also rather not play with, and seeing they signed up at the very last second can be offputting. I don't think it makes him town or scum. Imho the right thing to do is to shut up and replace out, but trying to second guess whether Yamato is playing *despite* Rayn because he's excited about the game, or because he feels some kind of obligation.. I dunno. In general, he hasn't impressed me and I still think Rayn is town, albeit one with cabin fever. If Yamato is town I hope he sits down and plays the game proper. If all he does is moan about Rayn, then he's probably scum with a lazy excuse. Hapa: you need to claim for real. Nothing you're doing makes sense. You claimed, you recanted your claim, you unrecanted your claim and you used your claim as a reaction test. I don't believe any of it. Claim your wincon and whether you have KP. | ||
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On October 29 2020 16:32 Dirkzor wrote: ##Commence Space-Time Destabilization I'm claiming named town. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson. I've been thinking about this for a while now. I wasnt sure how to play this out or what do to. But i figured the best way to do it was to be open about it so that town can benefit the most from the information i am about to give. I have a 1 shot ability (##Commence Space-Time Destabilization) that in 5 phases town will give a great benefit to town. Some kind of hint/info will be sent to me. I don't know what it is though. The downside is that the corruption level will increase by 1. (the flavor is that i spend a lot of database capacity to study "Event Horizon Level" and spent 5 phases doing that and will then have found the answer) Further more I will show up as "3rd party" or "not town" if someone check my alignment. (i wasn't sure if this was town to write this. But my thought was that i'd rather be upfront and let you make your own conclusion instead of being checked N1 and then fight the uphill battle with the rest of the town and let mafia ride it out) I also have a somewhat useful night action (for town) that i won't disclose for now. I thought about what this will mean going further: This will put a target on my back. I'm hoping i can be protected. And if not it will help other townies to come to their own conclusion. This might be disruptive on the short term, but i hope the long term gain out weight this. I wanted to do this as early as possible so to get the info as soon as possible. And figuring we dont vote on this day i thought it would be better to do it now rather than later. I don't know what the corruption increase will do, but i'm willing to take that risk. I hope you do too. I didn't want to ask about this since it would be a whole lot of discussion where no-one knew anything anyway, and if we ended agreeing that i shouldn't do it, people would wonder if i actually could or not. Anyway. Thats my claim. The timer should show up in thread so you can see my ability is real. I'm in meeting the next 7 hours, but will do the multitask thingy =) Wow. I actually believe you're town despite all this. It just feels wayyyy too ballsy for a scummer to pull off. Palmar or VE might do it, I guess? But claiming self-aware miller, increasing the corruption AND setting off a time bomb in the thread on N0? Seems way too reckless for mafia. I guess if it's the mother of all abilities? | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think he is town though because my role says he is lol Hm. Ok. I believe you're town, and you believe he is. But I need more than this. You masons? | ||
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On October 29 2020 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Activate Deja Vu Engine: (raynpelikoneet)(day 0) ... What do you think of dirkzor? | ||
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Why you being obtuse and difficult. :/ Use your words. How does your role confirm shockeyy as town if you aren't masons? And he doesn't even know you're town from his role. Explain. | ||
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On October 29 2020 19:40 Dirkzor wrote: Well, if its like my own one off power it just sort of happens. I don't think my ability could get roleblocked (i cant be sure of course). I'm also noting that greymist didn't do anything. This might mean nothing or it might mean it was a fake ability. Why rayn would do that i don't know. That's why i want more information. Right now it doesn't mean anything without any context and that makes me think its scummy. It's a greymist game, people posting weird shit in the thread and that having a public, private or no effect at all is kinda par for the course. I don't really read too much into people activating abilities until it's clear what happened. Like in your case, it was clear that whatever you did, caused an event horizon to appear and the corruption to increase. We then have to believe you that the event horizon counter thingy is a good thing. I am choosing to do so. Speaking of, why didn't the event horizon counter decrease with the phase change? | ||
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On October 30 2020 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still have a couple of things that bother me a great deal. I just cant get over this. We get grades but why isn't Slam there? I dont understand it, Slam should get F by the post above. I also dont understand why Acrofales has been over on why i know shockeyy is town but not interested at all when Hapa knew i am town.... Fairly certain hapa said it was a read. And I'm just mistrusting of 3rd party "reads" as a matter of course. But he never categorically stated you're town. Regarding Hapa's "updated" claim, I don't get it. If town, why claim alternate wincon? Either you win with town, yay, or you fulfill your wincon and leave early. I've had a role like that, and I explicitly avoided completing to help town. You don't claim some kinda town aligned 3p. So that's a lie. He's 3p or scum. I discarded scum yesterday because of the earliness of the claim. So yeah, some kinda 3p. Probably not gonna help town. | ||
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On October 30 2020 03:15 Hapahauli wrote: Thoughts on the game with a fresh set of eyes: Onegu and Koshi are good vig targets at this point. No feelings on them either way - Koshi from a lack of posting, and Onegu from a lack of substance beyond a playfulness with is seeming role mechanic. Rayn, Iamp, Dirk, and Yamato feel strongly not-mafia (be it VT, neutral 3rd party, pro-town 3rd party... whatever). - Rayn can be dickish as mafia, but he is generally dickish with an agenda. I don't see any agenda in what he was doing last night other than pure tilt, which is much more likely to come from town. - Iamp is very engaged and posting loosely. - Dirk's posting history and story very much checks out with someone who has a game mechanic tied to the Corruption Counter. Claim is too attention seeking. - Yamato is a meta read. His tone has stayed very productive and constructive. The people that stick out to me as mafia candidates are Slam, Acro, and Grack (in no particular order). - Slam's explanation for the "lol hapa duh" comment is plausible, in that he may have simply quoted the wrong post and made the comment in reference to me being "not town". However, there is a "calmness" to his posting that typically comes from his mafia games from recent memory. - Grack has been reasonably active and has been posting, but he has been largely offering safe (and confident) opinions on claims (myself and Dirkzor), as well as fairly substanceless mechanics discussions. The vibe of his filter is that he is happy posting his opinion on something and moving on, rather than engaging the thread in meaningful ways. - Acro's filter does not look good on a second readthrough. A lot of words and not a whole lot of substance. Two things in particular stick out: 1) very quick and confident judgments on the two claims (myself and Dirkzor). The read on Dirkzor in particular reads like he's grandstanding the importance of his read: 2) His attempt to play "thread cop" after the Rayn/Yamato thing reads like an attempt to contribute without contributing. It's also exceptionally unproductive (since the argument was long gone by the time he showed up), and it only serves to dig up more drama. Do you have KP? | ||
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