[M][N] Sushi Mafia

On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:


Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row

On June 02 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote:
Hi all Long time no see!

CopCake, I don't understand why you are townreading Jockmcplop so easily. Why couldn't he say that as mafia?

On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:


I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.

It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!

Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.

On June 02 2020 10:07 Tictock wrote:
Almost forgot about this as I've been baking a bunch of stuff today.

What up peeps been awhile.

I personally do not endorse the term "sushinians" as I identify as a "sushirino" + Show Spoiler +... I feel this is important to state now so we avoid a more awkward discussion about it later. Thanks for understanding.

On June 02 2020 11:27 Trfel wrote:
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.

Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.

On June 02 2020 14:39 jeekaka wrote:
Good morning and nice to meet you guys.

Would be funny if Copcake and Jockmcplop were our mafia team.

On June 02 2020 14:50 Vivax wrote:
In this game i won‘t let you think that i think you are mafia.

what you thought about figuring out about my alignment was something i hoped for after rolling maf and actually posting

On June 02 2020 16:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you mean by this?

On June 02 2020 17:13 jeekaka wrote:


I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake.

You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town.

So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D

On June 02 2020 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote:


Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row

On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont know what you would do and i dont really care because i can just tead what people do here right now and vase my judgement on that. My concern isnt that you townread jock, because people can townread other people for weird oe even bad reasons. I dont think that makes tou anything. However i am not at all pleased on how you address the critique pver your post because you:
- used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum
- used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did?
- in addition to the above, everyone who saw that vivax' post called it out aside from trfel, tet trfel is the ONLY person out of us three who youre NOT interested in???

On June 02 2020 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think you understand my point but thats pkay since youre rhe only one who doesnt need to understand it really.

On June 02 2020 20:20 jeekaka wrote:


Why should I think you want to pocket me?

On June 02 2020 22:33 Zey wrote:
Hi everyone!


Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town?

Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing.

On June 02 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote:


I thought the exact same thing. I'm now going to be very wary of pocketing attempts by copcake. Very eager early townreads can go either way, but it sure makes me suspicious.

On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote:
I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up. Cake defending that read might be consistent with them being actually sincere about it (although I still disagree, you cannot really compare two entry posts when the other is a catch up post when game has been going on for pages and the other is one of the first posts of the game).

Cannot totally shake the feeling Copcakes townreads are slightly TMIsh, but having kinda cut read that Copcake/Zey are not W/W.

On June 02 2020 23:35 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm considering mostly the copcake is just looking for the reactions to her post as a way of scumhunting rather than worrying about what people are thinking. She was a reaction based player in the last game we played together.
Because of this her too scummy to be scum argument actually makes sense.

I'm still open minded about a possible pocketing attempt, but i'm more inclined to see her opening as town copcake.

On June 03 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again:
- i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to.
- then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.

Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.

I dont really have issues with other people so far.

On June 03 2020 00:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I wonder who jeekaka is... 11 posts?

On June 02 2020 17:46 CopCake wrote:


That I would never make a post with my mafia team mate in the first couple of posts and look suspicious.

Or what do you think mafia cupcake would do if I was mafia with jock? or someone else?


I honestly don't feel it fake.

I mean he even posted a song and all.



And just to re check my tone read (because everyone is questioning me this a lot) I went and surfed the first couple of posts from last game.

This was his post where he was mafia last game (in which he was scum/mafia)
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=8#148

I will link you the thread.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/558949-oil-futures-mafia?page=3
I think mafia is more likely to try to look "Oh look I am working, I am trying to solve the game" and making a lot of posts without actually doing something. I understand where you and others are coming from, but for example, it feels different how you approach me and my read than the way trfl did.

Trfl feels mafia while you feel more town like.

In before "I am trying to pocket you".

On June 03 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Does it have to be a fish? Can it be an aquatic mammal? :D

On June 03 2020 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pfff no platypus the best animal ever i am sad now

On June 03 2020 14:41 Trfel wrote:
I have absolutely no useful thoughts. And there's a deadline tomorrow, how unfortunate

I'll be around filtering people for a bit but I will likely go to sleep soon.

I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.

On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote:


I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling.

It is mentally exhaustingggggg!!

Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope.

On June 03 2020 04:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Because the possibility is there, just like a shock and jock mafia team... COP and PLOP nah mean? These mods like rhyming teams ;D

On June 03 2020 05:02 Zey wrote:

Thanks. I would also say that in most cases this is scum behavior, but I'm not sure about Cake. When we have played resistance she seems like player who does play with emotion. Like she would take accusations very seriously etc. I would be interested what others think, is this something Cake would do more likely as scum?


Not.


Wait. Your read about Tfrel has changed? I tried to read your post again but still I don't notice that. Can you tell how and why your opinion has changed?


I mean about this:

He picks up Vivaxs "Awkward post" but not Vivaxs post where he said he rolled mafia. I would like to know why that wasn't interesting enough to him to be picked up.

On June 03 2020 05:23 Vivax wrote:


yes

On June 03 2020 05:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Why is Zey removing the time stamps? That seems scummy as hell to try and paint a narrative that can be falsified later in the game

:O

On June 03 2020 05:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You do you Zey, just saying on my end it looks scummy, you don't have to change anything about it, doesn't mean I'm calling you mafia (just yet ;D)

On June 03 2020 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol now i wish i was mafia with zey, i'd had a game winning ate..

On June 03 2020 09:36 Tictock wrote:


I recall D1 as being the most active of days and things slowing to a crawl after the player-pool slims down. Kinda nice to only have ~6 pages to catchup on after spending the day out.

As for cake stuff, meh seems like a weak tonal thing imo. Sure mafia could say it, but somebody rerolling mafia for the nth time? It's gunna come out awkward and forced.

On June 03 2020 10:38 Tictock wrote:


Officially the most confusing post I have read this game... this is after reading the rest of the page and coming back to it.

Even moreso when I realize that Jocks full name IS Jockmcplop... Jock/plop...

On June 03 2020 18:41 jeekaka wrote:


Yeah you are probably right and that's maybe a bit too straightforward theory, because I think that (if I'm not missing something) everyone else than Vivax and Shockeyy has at least tried to do something to solve :D

Some other general thoughts:

I think Jock has been helpful and made some good points. Also I think I'm somewhat in the same page with rayn (even though he is capable of puppet mastering me even if he's scum but this far I think it's genuine). And I liked Ticktocks takes as well.

As I said earlier, I don't think Zey and Cake are w/w. It's maybe more an educated guess, but as Zey is a bit out of her comfort zone (and would be even more so if scum) it's hard to imagine that she would just come in hard defending scummate Cake and then they would start pushing Trefl together. There are things that pinged me about Cake, but I can also see where her takes on Jock, me and Trefl could come from in a sincere mindset. Actually I'm kinda drawn to the world where Zey and Cake are both town and right about Trefl :D

On June 03 2020 19:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
Not the mama!

On June 03 2020 20:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
If I had to give reads, I think cop, tick, or trfel are possibly mafia because they were the fastest to paint me as mafia, and we all know mafia likes to use me as a scape goat

On June 03 2020 18:55 CopCake wrote:
TL; DR

I do think that Jock and Tiktock are 100% town.

I was about to say Jeekaka was also town but... let's say 90% sure.

I would call out shockey but he always do scummy shit even as town so I am like...



I am also surprised no one has pointed that out.

On June 03 2020 18:48 CopCake wrote:
Shockey since you ignored my question, I am going to ask a new one.

You think there is a world in which me and jock are mafia together?

On June 03 2020 09:36 Tictock wrote:


I recall D1 as being the most active of days and things slowing to a crawl after the player-pool slims down. Kinda nice to only have ~6 pages to catchup on after spending the day out.

As for cake stuff, meh seems like a weak tonal thing imo. Sure mafia could say it, but somebody rerolling mafia for the nth time? It's gunna come out awkward and forced.

On June 03 2020 10:11 Tictock wrote:
Will stop replying and posting to everything that catches my eye, and proceed more on a page by page catchup.

Like the engagement between rayn/cake at end of pg5, rayn is chasing the weird shit that catches his interest and cake feels pretty flowing and natural. Both feel pretty town.




Flagged this post for myself earlier and now it's working it's way into this post. The framing jeeka uses in the first line feels off to me, and the last line is sorta calling cake mafia but not really.


Like this from Jock.

ShoCkeyy makes earth shattering posts and I am up to pg8 but need to grab some dinner.

Liking Cake, Rayn, and Jock for town atm. I wanna call trfel town too, partially for feels and partially kus I don't know why he would defend my 2nd post like he did if mafia.

On June 03 2020 10:38 Tictock wrote:


Officially the most confusing post I have read this game... this is after reading the rest of the page and coming back to it.

Even moreso when I realize that Jocks full name IS Jockmcplop... Jock/plop...

On June 03 2020 18:48 CopCake wrote:
Shockey since you ignored my question, I am going to ask a new one.

You think there is a world in which me and jock are mafia together?



this feels weird.


Nah, I think tfrl is scummy BUT my read can change as the game progresses. I can't just say "This guy is mafia" and stick to it forever, unless I tunnel vision but that hasn't happened yet.


poor me.







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This would have only worked with me, Jeekaka seems she doesn't give shit and would kill mafia right away.
So idk why this comment.



Interesting opinion. (:

¡Hey tictock!

What are your reads and which is your favorite type of sushi? (not in the games, just in general)

I love sushi with beef, no seaweed.



I agree with this, it cost me some time. And I didn't like either his posts about the rhymes and that he noticed the timestamps.


I will consider this in the future.

On June 03 2020 23:25 Vivax wrote:
Well I think his read on Shock in the last two posts is for bs reasons and I don't see why you go and ask him for reads afterwards but townread him anyway and he just gave a read and instead of commenting on that read you prefer to ask Ticktock a generic question.

That part of the thread feels fake to me.

On June 02 2020 14:58 Trfel wrote:
Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity.

Likely falling asleep soon.

On June 03 2020 14:41 Trfel wrote:
I have absolutely no useful thoughts. And there's a deadline tomorrow, how unfortunate

I'll be around filtering people for a bit but I will likely go to sleep soon.

I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.

On June 03 2020 14:50 Trfel wrote:
Frankly your filter is kinda awful, in fact you're my top scumread currently. You've posted so much but I have no idea what your reads are except for maybe a random, reason-less scumread of Vivax? So if Tictock is suspicious if you then that's fine by me!

Tictock has been explaining his reads, I see no real reason to suspect him yet.

On June 03 2020 04:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Idk I actually thought what if Cop and Plop were mafia just like Jock and Shock :D But then to think Jock/Plop got mafia again? Holy fuck the luck.

On June 04 2020 02:21 Vivax wrote:


Yeah because you agree with him on the jock&plop -apologies- nonsense it implies a townread. Nope, doesn't work like this usually.
Honestly I don't buy any of that interaction at all. Why even ask him reads if you're both going after Shockeyy? You have the common lynch target for even shared reasons so the 'reads pls' seems out of place.

You either weren't trusting him to be town asking that or you were looking for something sheepable, which you already found in the Shockeyy read, so has to be the first, which doesn't compute with the townread.

On June 04 2020 02:48 Tictock wrote:


Spider roll (soft-shell crab) has been a mainstay of my sushi experience, I'm surprisingly partial to veggie rolls as well.

Can you elaborate on what feels weird about rayn to you?

On June 04 2020 03:22 Tictock wrote:


Meh, still confused since he mentioned Jock/plop and I don't accpet atypical rhymscheme...

Agreed that it has no bearing on his alignment, however, what do you think about his other posting?

It seems like Cake and I are both picking up that Sho isn't really playing for fun atm, and I really feel like he's leaning hard on this "I don't like D1" thing which someone said is a meta for him.

On June 04 2020 03:34 Zey wrote:

Now I am.

On June 04 2020 03:35 Tictock wrote:


AtE = Appeal to Emotion ?

I've always gotten the sense that you and rayn play a lot together and sorof as a team (excuse me if that's not true, just whats in my memory of playing with you two in the past) so him trying to sus you out as either potential mafia or townie made a lot of sense to me. That was actually the interaction that made me TR rayn.

Thanks. Rayn is a player I feel like I'm either always butting heads with or tolerating the fact I don't REALLY understand his thought process, but I think/hope I've found a good way to read him.

On June 04 2020 03:48 Tictock wrote:


Yea, I'm questioning the townpass I gave Trfel early. I thought his defense of me was pretty towny, and I kinda liked that he was at least trying to poke people so early in the game.

Idk, I'm kinda liking Vivax's posts recently. Might need to relook at Trfel and maybe zey

On June 04 2020 04:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Also cop, I didn't think you were mafia before, until you decided I'm possibly mafia cause you literally went from "i can't read Shockeyy" to "Shockey is mafia" in one post.

On June 04 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
NVM I'm voting Cop just cause of this vote looks very reactionary.

On June 03 2020 23:25 Vivax wrote:
Well I think his read on Shock in the last two posts is for bs reasons and I don't see why you go and ask him for reads afterwards but townread him anyway and he just gave a read and instead of commenting on that read you prefer to ask Ticktock a generic question.

That part of the thread feels fake to me.

On June 04 2020 05:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Everyone except shockeyy is ok with vivax/trfel and shockeyy is my town read.

Feels bad.

I'm feeling maybe I've got day 1 very wrong.

On June 04 2020 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Is this literally the only reason Trfel is going to be voted by Cop?



Is she just jumping on the wagon to try and get some one lynched? I don't like how she's switching her mind on who's mafia. First it's me, then it's Vivax, then Trfel due to AFK. Cop who do you think is actually mafia?

On June 04 2020 05:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Your only other reason is "he's AFK" :\

On June 04 2020 05:31 Jockmcplop wrote:
So copcake you switching to trfel?

On June 04 2020 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Is this literally the only reason Trfel is going to be voted by Cop?



Is she just jumping on the wagon to try and get some one lynched? I don't like how she's switching her mind on who's mafia. First it's me, then it's Vivax, then Trfel due to AFK. Cop who do you think is actually mafia?

On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote:
Why are we lynching people who are town?

On June 04 2020 05:46 Trfel wrote:
Of the people with votes, maybe CopCake?

I'm just having a ton of trouble finding mafia this game. I blame foremost my lack of effort, but secondly the lack of information/content to use.

CopCake seems like the most likely mafia from what I have read so far though.

On June 04 2020 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm considering switching to copcake right now.
Reasons:
The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient.

On June 10 2020 06:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB:

"Last point: Shockey is listening to him. Why don't they just focus on voting rayn/TT instead of being upset all the time?"

Because we literally had some one who only played with Rayn... Like Zey didn't even try. She just stuck her fingers in her ear and was "LALALALA" There's no reason to keep trying after that. This game is very upsetting because Rayn abused it, and knew Zey wasn't going to go against him...

I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.

On June 10 2020 07:10 Zey wrote:

I told you why I thought that rayn is mafia and was asking you many times why my deduction about him is wrong. How that isn't considering? If you would have been able to give me good reason why my deduction was wrong of course I would have thought rayns role again.

On June 10 2020 07:13 Tictock wrote:


That's disappointing, because I feel like that is something I 💯 percent do as town especially on D1. Like if I come back and see and EoD shennanie onto somebody I have a solid townfeel on I will always swap to a null read to save them.

If fact, I probably have done it.