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Reread Alakaslam's filter. I want to believe he is town, his tone feels towny to me, but I notice some inconsistencies and changes in reads. For example, he agreed with my case on Koshi, and then decided I was mafia with Jockmcplop for never mentioning him (why was Jockmcplop mafia again?). Then back to voting for raynpelikoneet. But I don't know if this makes him mafia or just forgetful. It's a really hard call but I'm tempted to say forgetful town instead of mafia?
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On May 04 2020 05:22 Trfel wrote:Finished lunch. On a computer now. Let me know if anyone wants to talk, I'll be on and off between this and schoolwork. Before RereadingTownVivax - Only other player who has been consistently present and trying to find mafia Maybe TownGrackaroni - Good thoughts on ShoCkeyy even if wrong, need to double check though Alakaslam - Seems like he is actually trying to solve the game Koshi - Effort, re-evaluating reads, trying to solve the game raynpelikoneet - Trying to solve the game, willing to work with people. Didn't make much of a fuss about ShoCkeyy getting lynched, need to re-evaluate this Maybe MafiaChezinu - Very distant, disinterested Jockmcplop - Hiding in the background, not posting original thoughts/reads GlowingBear - Scumreads feel fabricated, doesn't seem to care about them 9 players left. 6 v 3. After the night kill it'll be 5 v 3, so that makes it MYLO currently. Lousy position to be in 
Maybe you are right.
Thats a decent scumpool.
Probably only 66% right but still.
GB played an insanely good d2 from my pov. If mafia.
Jock I cant catch. Too difficult.
Chez is chez. Tricked me.
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Why did shockey suck up so hard to gb. That fucked so much with me. Looked so hard like mafia trying to buddy but fail....
Fml
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What is with this whole
Wait would rayn potentially think that because he is town ShoCkeyy would just trust him more by mentioning “even if I am wrong about mhself”?
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Like that is most of the reason for my scumread on him.
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Alakaslam, sorry I am not sure what you mean.
I do think GlowingBear had a good day 2. I still think he is mafia. The times he has played well are both mafia motivated: first late day 1, when he needed to survive himself, and second late day 2, where he needed to protect a scumbuddy. Though that's unflipped association.
I'm starting to think maybe Chezinu is not mafia. Maybe Grackaroni instead of Chezinu.
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Jockmcplop
Volume 1
This post will be based around answering the following question:
What has Jockmcplop actually contributed to this game?
For example, let's analyze his first post of the game: (colors added)On April 29 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Hi everyone here's a catch up post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 16:45 Vivax wrote:
im on phone formatting will keep it short.
your case sounds an awful lot like you are implying that kurumi is doing what jock did in holy guardians except you did so at a time when trfel had at most 4 or 5 posts that didnt say much about his alignment.
also again you are acting like you know my alignment from the start when ive been mostly shitposting before.
ill play devils advocate with myself later but i find it odd atm that you and trfel didnt have the dejavus i had there.
I remember the other game you are talking about and reading through the thread I did get flashbacks. I don't really get how you go from noticing the similarities to rayn having motivations other than scumhunting.
Like you think rayn saw that trfel as lynchbait worked in the last game for town so he's leveraging the same idea as mafia and hoping that no-one will notice, with probably half the people playing in both games?
I can't really see it.
Its simpler just to think that trfel as lynchbait worked last time, kurumi wasn't here last time, rayn is thinking it might work again and get us a day 1 hit.
The one thing I do agree with here is it looks like rayn is assuming you are town. I guess I can understand that based on meta (maaaaaaayyyyyybe), and he did say he townread you so its probably just a read more than an assumption.
As for trfel's opening, stuff like that isn't really worth discussing unless he disappears at times that are overly convenient for mafia.+ Show Spoiler +Is it bad or not?
Let's let Team Liquid decide.On April 29 2020 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today  I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF This post is bad and you should feel bad for it. On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?
Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days? Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out. So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about? Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post. Maybe a bit of stimulation will help. ##Vote: FF I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead. oh. @Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective @Kurumi: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 07:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's not true, about Trfel only asking questions? What do you mean? So far they've: -started the game out by saying they're going to be lazy -asked Alakaslam what does he mean with people giving excuses (see previous point, wut?) -asked me how I'm going to play and fished for whether I checked out the player roster for past games and meta -now questions GlowingBear about Vivax which is first "OK" thing. I have no idea why you're pushing back on Trfel so much given that all I've done is cast some shade on them. On April 29 2020 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Besides, bringing more information into the thread is never wrong, especially when we establish connections people have to each other based on their reactions and interactions.
Would you say that trfel asking the questions he asked brought more information into the thread? I mean, I now know who you have played with before and am better able to judge the different way you might interact with me compared to say rayn... which is useful. The first portion, in red, is just a response to Vivax's post. Jockmcplop says that he noticed the similarities, but it doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to make that play as mafia. He says he kinda understands a slight point against raynpelikoneet but it is probably nothing. He says that my opening isn't meaningful unless I'm not present at convenient times.
What's the thing in common about all of this? It doesn't actually say anything! He commented on Vivax's post, but in the end he said nothing whatsoever about Vivax's alignment, or raynpelikoneet's, or mine, or Kurumi's.
Read the rest of the post too. It's two questions that don't say anything about the alignments of anyone (at least, not yet). These trends are prominent throughout Jockmcplop's play this game, and are the primary reason that I read Jockmcplop as mafia. He is commenting and being present, but he's not thinking about the game or about people's alignments. He makes pretty posts, but the posts don't contain original content and thinking.
Let's take a look at all of the exceptions to this, all of the times where Jockmcplop provides actual reads (actually alignment-indicative conclusions):
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. He comments on Alakaslam's wishy-washyness and says it's scummy, fair point. And he comments on a Kurumi inconsistency, doesn't directly say anything about Kurumi's alignment, but it's implied to be suspicious. Fair enough, nothing blatantly wrong here. On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 00:27 Kurumi wrote:On April 30 2020 00:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:On April 30 2020 00:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kurumi if you think this is spammy you would have hated it a couple years ago...
Shit more like 5 years ago Yea, I went from 40 players with about 20 page games to 10 players with 200+ pages, now its 10 with 70 pages, so not that bad anymore. I do know. I've been part of this forum for 9 years now and did my fair share of spamming. On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally. On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.
If Vivax is right.
But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason. You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it. Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel. Trfel's questions were useless or bad. One they asked Alakaslam made absolutely no sense given that Trfel was one giving a cop-out. The way they questioned me about my opening post was not to make me introduce me into the game, but to learn how committed I am to the game. Why do they need to know how committed I am to the game? Well, it makes deciding how the N1 KP goes. I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you. I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would. I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah No conclusion about Kurumi's alignment, but at least he's showing suspicions. On May 01 2020 20:12 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 01 2020 03:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:37 Koshi wrote:On May 01 2020 03:31 Trfel wrote:On May 01 2020 03:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam acting serious makes me think he's town rn when normally I'd think it was scummy. That's weird.
Has gb done anything lately why do you want me to switch shockkeyy GlowingBear is busy at work. He flailed at Koshi for a while, nothing super notable though. Consider maybe switching to Kurumi? Mostly the same reasons as before. I just feel like Kurumi hasn't contributed much actual thought to the thread. If Kurumi is mafia, what the fuck has gb been doing the first 40 hours? Mindmeld with mafia? Is that possible? Like.... regardlrdd if gb is mafia or town. He kinda locked kurumi in as town. No? You think town gb can have duch a strong tr on mafia kurumi? I don't know, honestly I never understood "mindmeld" stuff. To me, agreeing with someone or having the same thoughts as someone never means they are confirmed town or anything like that. Yes, I think GlowingBear could be wrong on Kurumi as town. I don't see why not? Here's how I see the 'mindmeld' thing. Its entirely meta based, or should be, from a town perspective. There's one guy on MU who reliably mindmelds with me on day 1 more than once if we're both town. Like every single game. If it happens, I know to townread him. Townreading someone off a mindmeld just because they said what you are thinking is absolutely terrible imo. If that's how you see the game, mafia just needs to make educated guesses at how you are seeing the game and get easy townreads. I do like how GB reevaluated his read on me though, it would have been super easy for him to keep pushing a SR on me, especially because I still hadn't posted at that point, so even though i see his early townread on kurumi as a bit suspicious, he's probably a town lean for me. also @glowingbear: + Show Spoiler +the two koshi posts, although I don't need to, I feel I should explain. The first post was a joke with a joke vote. You probably think that's stupid, fair enough. The second post was sarcasm, as trfel pointed out. There was no way I could hard scumread koshi from what he had posted so far in the thread, i was being sarcastic. read this again carefully from the perspective that I am being sarcastic: Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. I get now that responding to people not understanding a joke vote with sarcasm that people might also not understand isn't smart. I take responsibility for that. ------------ About shockeyy:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax
ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet
There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one. At first I really liked Fefe pushing that post of shockeyy's. I was almost scumreading shockeyy based on him simply not explaining the post at all, and it not really making sense from most points of view that I could summon up. However, I think that's a really superficial reading and yes I'm sussing Fefe because of that. That post does make sense if you consider that shockeyy is scumreading the people who started both wagons (koshi and slam) before he made this post, and also sussing other people who are on the wagons. I think its consistent with his previous reads that he would see the two wagons as containing two obvious scum. His vote was on koshi and he SRs slam who started a wagon on him. If you look at shockeyy's other reads it also makes sense to think that if one of koshi/slam is not scum, then someone else on the wagons would be. TL:DR Shockeyy's 'two scum on these wagons' post makes perfect sense in the context of his other reads. I think I actually townread shockeyy for this. Quotes to support: + Show Spoiler +On April 30 2020 11:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 11:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
I got about halfway through actually reading the thread, have a big post made up of my thoughts and then..
Then I got to a post that I made that said the exact opposite of what I have written here....
what is going on here maybe youre mafia? First he suspects Fefe + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2020 03:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rayn, please just re-read the thread and the interactions between GB and Koshi. I feel like most people here don't read and just base decisions on others decisions. I'm putting pressure on Slam, because I personally think that Koshi and Slam are partners. Could Jock be in there? sure? But what GB is saying about Koshi relieving pressure on Jock is true. I personally hope that Jock didn't roll mafia again, but that Koshi play right there can be two things. True mafia work, or town work. Slam voting me, 15 mins after not wanting to vote for me screams setup play between the two for D2. He already scumreads koshi and slam + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax
ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet
There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one. Then he makes this post. He suspects that slam and koshi are partners. However, he also suspects Fefe. From this its easy to see why he thinks that there's two scum on these wagons, unless you haven't looked in his ISO or read his posts properly. Even though GlowingBear did something suspicious, he's probably a townlean. Fine. Then he produces original content to townread ShoCkeyy and suspect Fecalfeast. This portion, while not perfect, is actually a good post. On May 01 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
I think koshi/fefe is mafia.
They independently seem scummy. Koshi for his EoD with kurumi as explained above and Fefe for his push on shockeyy which only takes a brief look at shockeyy's reads and filter to debunk.
Add to that Koshi hard townreading Fefe in a way that looks like it could never change and Fefe barely mentioning koshi in his 5 page filter except to pressure shockeyy about his scumread on koshi.
Suddenly a scumread on Koshi. Fair enough I guess. On May 01 2020 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. On April 29 2020 10:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?
And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them? Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think. Alakaslam, do you really care what people think of you when you're mafia? A little On May 01 2020 03:31 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 03:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 01 2020 03:29 Alakaslam wrote:
And i have more time now FF thanks though! We can flesh out GB more. My vote is available to the highest bidder. You don't think this sounds even scummier? I dont care about my image I care about finding scum. If you want to waste your vote on me then go ahead and do it. On May 01 2020 05:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 05:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:You went from this On May 01 2020 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear to this On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town. in a span of an hour, why the sudden change of heart? Judging from your interactions with GB you completely thought of him as town before the above post. You never really interacted with GB, you just called him homboy in a couple of posts immediately then talked about GB with other people when GB stopped posting. Then all the sudden asked for reasons why you should vote for GB. Idk but your interaction timeline just seems off about when it comes to GB, especially your voting pattern. “Slam you shit at scum, cant you see? How can you be this stupid slam?” Trash your vote then, you all ready know I dont give a cuss what you think of my alignment or anyone else for that matter, if I get lynched I get lynched. Go back to being productive and stop insulting my scum play. If slam really doesn't care what people think shouldn't that come through in his posting without him having to tell us twice a day that he doesn't care? Honestly the way he went off at people for (in slam's view) insinuating that he might be a sloppy mafia player really makes me think he's just overcompensating for mafia paranoia. Light suspicions of Alakaslam. Sure. On May 02 2020 18:49 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 16:09 Vivax wrote:Actually I'll banish that thought for now. Doubt I'd lynch Trfel today anyway. Gonna wait on this instead. On May 02 2020 11:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
RIP Fefe.
I have some rethinking to do in the morning. I mean, don't wait for this.. Fefe dying makes me question my koshi read alot, which in turn makes me question my other reads. I have to decide whether i still think shockeyy is town, because I was basing most of my reads on that one. I need to filter 4-5 players today though before i know where i'm at. Fecalfeast flipping town messes up his reads, he needs to rethink them. Makes sense given his reads and explanations. On May 03 2020 00:09 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 12:50 Fecalfeast wrote:On May 01 2020 11:11 Trfel wrote:
Fecalfeast, do you have any response to my suspicions of you? Specifically, you seem to throw suspicion everywhere, it feels like you are reaching for reasons to scumread everyone. Primarily early Day 1. I have scum reads or at least scumleans on shockey slam gb chezinu and atm grack And i was scumming kurumi but actually can you show me where i threw suspicion everyehere? Pointing out or questioning perceived contradictions is hardly throwing suspicion So these are the people that are implicated/framed by the Fefe kill. Here's how I was on them before Fefe's kill: town shockeyy town lean GB null: chez grack scum slam I think i'm more likely to townlean grack now just because of his attitude and tone. GB stays where he is. I'm really not convinced of trfel's case on him at all. In fact I flat out disagree with it. Which leaves chez and slam in the null/scum sections. This makes me uncomfortable, they aren't two players who I want to build a view of the game on assuming their alignment, as they are both very difficult to read. I think shockeyy is the most important player right now. I'm gonna go and reread all the reasons people have for scumreading him. I already said why i disagree with Fefe's reasons for scumreading shockeyy and his flip doesn't change my reasoning there at all. I still have a strong feeling that koshi and shockeyy are opposite alignments. List post! Little actual content, though. On May 03 2020 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:So the people who voted shockeyy are slam, trfel and rayn. Rayn voted him because he didn't like shockeyy trying to lynch koshi, but rayn also backed down pretty quickly and went for people he was more strongly scumreading (some town points to rayn for this by the way). Slam's reason seems to be about a beef with shockeyy and the way shockeyy has called him mafia alot. I'm using a particular post slam made to me about it for reference as to slam's reasoning. Trfel seems like rayn, kind of not really bothered about lynching shockeyy: Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 02:50 Trfel wrote:
##unvote
##vote ShoCkeyy
Underwhelming filter. I like Vivax's (?) point about ShoCkeyy saying he voted Koshi only for a pressure vote, but also saying that Koshi's opening was a mafia opening. He's yet to give any other reasons to suspect Koshi. And more importantly, he's just saying recently "I like GlowingBear more than Koshi" while voting for Alakaslam, while GlowingBear is leading the lynch and Koshi or Alakaslam aren't really in contention.
Not sold on it but maybe it'll work? Possibly just seeing what would happen with the wagon if he voted there. His point about saying he voted koshi for a pressure vote and also saying koshi's opening was mafia is the only thing i agree looks bad here. I disagree with drawing conclusions from how shockeyy was voting slam while GB was up for lynch. I don't think that looks bad on shockeyy and he never showed interest in particularly trying to save GB, but was voting for a scumread. I still think shockeyy is town here. I just can't see any case for him being mafia except his early thing with the read on koshi, and that's nowhere near enough to scumread him when his reads have been consistent, and consistent with his voting also. Most of this post, until the last paragraph, says nothing at all. The last paragraph says that ShoCkeyy is town because there is no reason for him to be mafia. And that's it. Jockmcplop is a very strong town player, but the overall sum of his content this game is extremely underwhelming.
Conclusion
Jockmcplop is posting a lot of words with very little substance. His reads are backed up with minimal reasoning, and there isn't much original thought in his filter. Most of his posts are full of filler and commentary, without actual conclusions or meaningful analysis. He is more interested in surviving than trying to find mafia.
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What do some players assume that we have two blue roles in town?
I saw that it was disclosed that there are 3 mafia.
I was hoping there were more roles in this game.. Seems like a bunch of VTs,,,
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GlowingBear
Volume 2
- GlowingBear assumes Koshi is town for a significant amount of time, despite accusing Koshi of many manipulative and suspicious things
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +Here are GlowingBear's posts towards Koshi starting at the middle of Day 1. Starting on April 29, 22:11 EDT. On April 30 2020 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 03:48 Koshi wrote:On April 30 2020 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 01:35 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 30 2020 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait jock says his vote on koshi was jokes?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nah I genuinely thought he was mafia after his one post and shockeyy saying that post made him mafia. I was convinced. but alas! Now I have seen the light. ##unvote: koshi No way. ##Unvote
##Vote: JockmcplopYou're mafia. The difference between the conviction in the posts from kurumi/fefe and here gb is why I think the first 2 arz town and gb is mafia. I also had the wtf how scummy is the jock fella with his vote and backtrack on me. But I also had a healthy amount of doubt and confusion. I think fefe and kurumi both showed some conservatism in their posts. GB did not. GB looked like a wolf jumping on a poor misguided sheep.
##Vote GB This is bad. The guy just started voting you out of a joke, then when FF pushed him, he said he genuinely thought you were mafia but now "have seen the light". It makes no sense from a town perspective. Why would he think you're mafia in the first place? Because of a weak meta read from Shockey? And what was so iron clad that he thought OKAY HAHA I GOT IT WRONG It makes no sense as town and you should know it. You have no reason to vote me. On April 30 2020 23:35 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:27 Koshi wrote:On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:
45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter. What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously. His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld. Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally. What are your other reads Koshi? The jock scumread is pathetic. GB said that Jock said his vote was serieus and then backtracked that his vote was a joke. That is either: Misreading as mafia because you are not paying attention. Misrepresenting as mafia. Misreading so gravely as town that it is punishable by lynch. Koshi, that's not how I read Jock as mafia. He came to the thread, saw Shockeyy opening with a bad meta read on your opening post that only he could see, then Jock came to the thread and placed a vote on you like that was a joke. Then FF asked him why he was voting you. He then said he genuinely thought you are mafia (WHY?) and decided to unvote. This is clearly, for me, a mafia that decided to leave a vote on a wagon without thinking much but when pressured to say anything about it, didn't have any reasons and decided to backtrack. Now, I would understand if he just said "I was joking" or "I was just pressuring", but he said he "genuinely" thought you were mafia, which doesn't make sense from a town perspective. WHY would he unvote just because someone asked his opinon? What was so glaringly town from you at that time that made him unvote??? On April 30 2020 23:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, why are you so eager to defend Jock from a lynch and to call me mafia for reasons that doesn't make me mafia, Koshi?
Tell me why Jock is so fucking town to you. On April 30 2020 23:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:31 Koshi wrote:
So why are you saying GB has a slam scumread???? Because I have? You would know if you ACTUALLY READ MY FILTER before throwing any suspicions on me. On April 30 2020 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:38 Koshi wrote:On April 30 2020 23:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, why are you so eager to defend Jock from a lynch and to call me mafia for reasons that doesn't make me mafia, Koshi?
Tell me why Jock is so fucking town to you. Who the fuck cares what Jock is to me. This is you trying to discredit me by me having to proof Jock is town. BUT JOKE IS ON YOU. I dont have to proof shit. Yes you fucking do because you're pushing my lynch for no fucking reason because I called Jock mafia and you have him town for no fucking reason. On April 30 2020 23:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 23:40 Koshi wrote:On April 30 2020 23:39 GlowingBear wrote:On April 30 2020 23:31 Koshi wrote:
So why are you saying GB has a slam scumread???? Because I have? You would know if you ACTUALLY READ MY FILTER before throwing any suspicions on me. PROOF IT JUST FUCKING READ MY FILTER On May 01 2020 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
See still no reads on me, Trfel and Koshi who are aside Vivax the towniest people in the game. You're not one of the towniest, you are not taking any hard stances. Koshi is manipulating every information about me while hard defending Jock for no reason at all. On May 01 2020 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I was starting a case on rayn but caught up with work.
I can't keep fighting my lynch, you do what you want. You already know who I think is mafia.
Koshi/Jock/ and one between rayn and slam
Shockeyy could be mafia if he is too apologetic.
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April 30, 12:45 EDT. 14 hours and 34 minutes to reflect. In that time, GlowingBear accused Koshi of: Having no reason to vote for him Defending Jockmcplop for no reason Not reading GlowingBear's filter Manipulating information about GlowingBear Seems like mafia qualities to me. And remember, this is the very first time that GlowingBear says that Koshi could be mafia. He questions Koshi being town an hour and a half earlier, the first time he even implied that he questions Koshi's towniness. Seemingly the first time he even considered that possibility. It doesn't seem like GlowingBear was trying to figure out Koshi's alignment, but rather was just trying to survive. Town would try and defend themselves while still trying to solve the game, which is not a mindset GlowingBear shows here.
- Analysis of (meaningful) scumreads
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +On April 30 2020 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam is a scum read because of his wishy washiness. He simply isn't making any hard stances and that's why I think he is probably mafia.
Jock's vote wasn't just super dumb, it simply doesn't make sense from a town perspective. And if it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, he is probably mafia. On May 01 2020 00:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey GB i am not blue you can call me mafia now. Alright You're mafia. On May 01 2020 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I was starting a case on rayn but caught up with work.
I can't keep fighting my lynch, you do what you want. You already know who I think is mafia.
Koshi/Jock/ and one between rayn and slam
Shockeyy could be mafia if he is too apologetic.
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On May 01 2020 02:09 GlowingBear wrote:
That's why I think Koshi might be mafia deflecting the lynch on jock into me. Since I've tried to catch up with everything, he did not try to reevaluate his read. He just distort facts to keep scumreading me. He decided I am scum BEFORE analyzing what I post in thread, instead of establishing his conviction by actually reading post-per-post. Wait, Koshi might be mafia? I thought GlowingBear had Koshi as a strong scumread? On May 01 2020 12:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 11:20 Trfel wrote:
@GlowingBear, why is Jockmcplop mafia?
I don't get why the Koshi vote and unvote makes him mafia. I don't get why anything else makes him mafia either. Please explain? I think his Koshi vote and unvote doesn't make sense as town. He either was joke on both of his posts or was serious in both of them. Joking on the first and being serious on the unvote, or the opposite, doesn't make sense. But I've been thinking about this and I believe I was too tunneled with this. I don't actually have anything against jock besides this thought process that I couldn't get behind. I also don't believe that him, as mafia, would not vote anyone and AFK. He could've just drop a vote on someone. Who I now believe is probably mafia is rayn. I've been fixated in him being blue and after my last game with HolyFlare I didn't want to go against a high profile player because of incongruencies in his posts. Thinking of it now, that's stupid. Doesn't make sense. He's willing to go after Koshi and call out Vivax, why would he hold back against raynpelikoneet? On May 01 2020 12:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 12:10 Trfel wrote:
For the record, Jockmcplop was joking in both of his posts. Thanks for explaining though.
Care to summarize why raynpelikoneet is mafia to you? I skimmed your filter for it again and I don't believe you ever clearly laid it out. No rush, if you want to play Diplomacy first I'll be here a few hours. I've finished playing diplo today, I'll stay here for like 30 minutes before going to sleep. Jock wasn't joking on both of his posts because he said himself he GENUINELY THOUGHT KOSHI WAS MAFIA because of his opening. I've already talked about rayn, but okay, I'll flesh out. I think rayn has been under the radar and not actually taking hard stances. Early day1 he said you had a thought process that made you look townie. What is so particularly townie in thinking "I'm lazy haha won't be posting much okay lol"? There's nothing townie to read into it. His read seemed forced. Then he later went on the game just talking a bit but without taking any hard stance. He was suspicious of Kurumi but didn't push his lynch. He decided to vote for jock but I couldn't find anything in his filter where he said why jock was mafia other than "jock can look very townie when he is mafia". That's not a reason to vote him. He then went under the radar and only changed his vote to sheep Koshi on a faint reason to call me mafia. He decided I wasn't a good lynch today and went against Kurumi who we know is town. it doesn't make sense, it feels rayn is just trying to survive. I thought that he might be blue because of this, I didn't really want to engage in a shitfest saying RAYN IS MAFIA WHARRGARBL. But now, thinking about it, he is most likely mafia instead of blue. On May 01 2020 12:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright,
Slam reevaluating me makes him probably town. Trfel is being consistently interested in solving the game which makes him town too. FF is town.
Vivax was town for me but the way he is approaching me doesn't feel right. I need him to answer my questions.
Jock is probably town because I hardly believe mafia would AFK and not vote.
Koshi is mafia because he has been misrepresenting every thing I post to have me lynched and I have no idea what he thinks of other players. All he has done is pointing out how bad he doesn't like me. It's a forced tunnel.
Rayn is mafia for the reasons I've already told.
No idea about either Chezinu and Grack.
I guess that's all? On May 03 2020 13:49 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 05:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
There's only two possible scenarios with the information above, either they're trying to frame GB or GB is mafia. This doesn't make any sense. You're mafia. ##Vote: Shockeyy On May 03 2020 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 00:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2020 12:50 Fecalfeast wrote:On May 01 2020 11:11 Trfel wrote:
Fecalfeast, do you have any response to my suspicions of you? Specifically, you seem to throw suspicion everywhere, it feels like you are reaching for reasons to scumread everyone. Primarily early Day 1. I have scum reads or at least scumleans on shockey slam gb chezinu and atm grack And i was scumming kurumi but actually can you show me where i threw suspicion everyehere? Pointing out or questioning perceived contradictions is hardly throwing suspicion So these are the people that are implicated/framed by the Fefe kill. Here's how I was on them before Fefe's kill: town shockeyy town lean GB null: chez grack scum slam I think i'm more likely to townlean grack now just because of his attitude and tone. GB stays where he is. I'm really not convinced of trfel's case on him at all. In fact I flat out disagree with it. Which leaves chez and slam in the null/scum sections. This makes me uncomfortable, they aren't two players who I want to build a view of the game on assuming their alignment, as they are both very difficult to read. I think shockeyy is the most important player right now. I'm gonna go and reread all the reasons people have for scumreading him. I already said why i disagree with Fefe's reasons for scumreading shockeyy and his flip doesn't change my reasoning there at all. I still have a strong feeling that koshi and shockeyy are opposite alignments. You're most likely town for this. On May 03 2020 14:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 14:12 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 14:09 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 14:07 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 14:04 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:
Well, I'll likely be around for a bit if anyone wants to talk. GlowingBear, especially you.
@GlowingBear, why doesn't ShoCkeyy's post makes sense? I can understand where he is coming from, at least, even if I don't necessarily agree. Why would FF's death in any way incriminate me? His post sounded like he was trying to put suspicions on me without actually comitting to have me lynched. I'll leave that for ShoCkeyy to answer, I guesssssssss I can kinda see where you're coming from, even if I can see ShoCkeyy's perspective more easily. Interested to hear your thoughts when you are finished catching up. I finished catching up and there's nothing much to talk about. Why is Koshi voting Shockey now? It's slightly explained in his filter but not a ton. Who do you think is mafia currently? I know ShoCkeyy, still raynpelikoneet and Koshi? What about Alakaslam and the rest? There's nothing new to talk about tbh. Slam was constantly reacting to the thread, reevaluating his reads, but this fell a bit today. Not his fault tho, since there's nothing much to talk about. Rayn lack of interest in the thread proves he is not interested in solving the game. Mafia. Koshi actually started to think a bit about the new information that has been posted in the thread. He could've still be tunneled on me and trying to have a mislynch, but he decided to let it go and go against Shockey. Shockey isn't really contributive, he posts some made up conspiracies to frame people, then forgets it just to post a OMGUS vote. Jockmcplop is top town right now, he has been thinking critically about the game and there is nothing opportunistic in his posts. He brings original and genuine content when posting his reads and seems to be trying to solve the game. I still think you're town although you've posted a bad case on me that I want people to address. I think it's telling how much GlowingBear's scumreads jump around, especially when there is no reason for it. This is particularly evident in his primary scumread. See how he went from scumreading raynpelikoneet and Alakaslam to scumreading Koshi more than them. Also note how GlowingBear acknowledges that ShoCkeyy looks like scum when he is town, and that he will read ShoCkeyy by meta (how apologetic he is). Then GlowingBear completely casts that aside to vote ShoCkeyy for relatively weak reasons, mostly based on an inconsistency. Also note that GlowingBear has a lot of filler posts in his filter, I pulled out all of the important ones.
Conclusion
It's not the strongest case, but I think there are some valid reasons to at least consider GlowingBear as mafia here. I don't know how this read would associate with Jockmcplop; on one hand GlowingBear wouldn't play like he would Day 1 with Jockmcplop being mafia, but the way he changes reads and townreads Jockmcplop easily later would make sense if they are both mafia. But the main point is that I think GlowingBear could easily still be mafia.
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Well I'm around for a bit if anyone wants to talk, but I'm guessing no one does
Appreciate feedback/thoughts on my reads on Jockmcplop and GlowingBear above. Also willing to talk about who else may be mafia (leaning towards Grackaroni, but open to possibilities for sure).
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On May 04 2020 14:22 GlowingBear wrote:Hi I can talk Okay. I'll assume you are not mafia. What do you think about my post on Jockmcplop?
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On May 04 2020 14:29 Trfel wrote:Okay. I'll assume you are not mafia. What do you think about my post on Jockmcplop?
Let me actually read it
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Trfel, the reason you call jock mafia are immediately thrown away when you point out every other post where he talks about people alignment.
In my opinion, he was having genuine reads based on information that was posted in thread, while not taking the easy step of immediately calling me mafia. He was the first one to think I was town, against thread sentiment.
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Trfel I also read what you wrote about me and all I can say is that you're calling me mafia for reasons that doesn't make me mafia.
Also, you asked why I was antagonizing you. I started believing you were mafia after scumreading me day and that you were with Shockey. I was upset at the flip, it made no fucking sense from my perspective. I had no doubt shockey was mafia.
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On May 04 2020 14:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, the reason you call jock mafia are immediately thrown away when you point out every other post where he talks about people alignment.
In my opinion, he was having genuine reads based on information that was posted in thread, while not taking the easy step of immediately calling me mafia. He was the first one to think I was town, against thread sentiment. What I'm saying is, Jockmcplop effectively has only made nine posts this game. Nine.
It's like how geript reads me. As annoying as it is, has Jockmcplop said anything smart this game? Has he shown his towniness? He hasn't, and that makes him mafia.
I could go through literally every other post Jockmcplop made and show why it doesn't say anything helpful. I can if that'd be helpful, I felt like I didn't need to though... Jockmcplop's filter is available for everyone to see on their own.
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On May 04 2020 14:55 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 14:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, the reason you call jock mafia are immediately thrown away when you point out every other post where he talks about people alignment.
In my opinion, he was having genuine reads based on information that was posted in thread, while not taking the easy step of immediately calling me mafia. He was the first one to think I was town, against thread sentiment. What I'm saying is, Jockmcplop effectively has only made nine posts this game. Nine. It's like how geript reads me. As annoying as it is, has Jockmcplop said anything smart this game? Has he shown his towniness? He hasn't, and that makes him mafia. I could go through literally every other post Jockmcplop made and show why it doesn't say anything helpful. I can if that'd be helpful, I felt like I didn't need to though... Jockmcplop's filter is available for everyone to see on their own.
There's also the fact that Jock didn't vote day1 and I hardly believe mafia would just peace out without dropping a vote anywhere.
But I promise I'll check his filter tomorrow and analyse him better. It's just I'm not seeing what you're seeing here.
Is there anything you ask me? You're certainly town. We need to work together.
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On May 04 2020 15:00 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 14:55 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 14:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, the reason you call jock mafia are immediately thrown away when you point out every other post where he talks about people alignment.
In my opinion, he was having genuine reads based on information that was posted in thread, while not taking the easy step of immediately calling me mafia. He was the first one to think I was town, against thread sentiment. What I'm saying is, Jockmcplop effectively has only made nine posts this game. Nine. It's like how geript reads me. As annoying as it is, has Jockmcplop said anything smart this game? Has he shown his towniness? He hasn't, and that makes him mafia. I could go through literally every other post Jockmcplop made and show why it doesn't say anything helpful. I can if that'd be helpful, I felt like I didn't need to though... Jockmcplop's filter is available for everyone to see on their own. There's also the fact that Jock didn't vote day1 and I hardly believe mafia would just peace out without dropping a vote anywhere. But I promise I'll check his filter tomorrow and analyse him better. It's just I'm not seeing what you're seeing here. Is there anything you ask me? You're certainly town. We need to work together. He said he had a medical emergency, not voting would have happened as either alignment.
I don't know, honestly. I'm sorry I'm lazy, remind me who you think is mafia?
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On May 04 2020 15:09 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2020 15:00 GlowingBear wrote:On May 04 2020 14:55 Trfel wrote:On May 04 2020 14:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, the reason you call jock mafia are immediately thrown away when you point out every other post where he talks about people alignment.
In my opinion, he was having genuine reads based on information that was posted in thread, while not taking the easy step of immediately calling me mafia. He was the first one to think I was town, against thread sentiment. What I'm saying is, Jockmcplop effectively has only made nine posts this game. Nine. It's like how geript reads me. As annoying as it is, has Jockmcplop said anything smart this game? Has he shown his towniness? He hasn't, and that makes him mafia. I could go through literally every other post Jockmcplop made and show why it doesn't say anything helpful. I can if that'd be helpful, I felt like I didn't need to though... Jockmcplop's filter is available for everyone to see on their own. There's also the fact that Jock didn't vote day1 and I hardly believe mafia would just peace out without dropping a vote anywhere. But I promise I'll check his filter tomorrow and analyse him better. It's just I'm not seeing what you're seeing here. Is there anything you ask me? You're certainly town. We need to work together. He said he had a medical emergency, not voting would have happened as either alignment. I don't know, honestly. I'm sorry I'm lazy, remind me who you think is mafia?
Probably rayn. His interaction with Koshi sounded T v T but rayn is way too complacent in the game. I had the feeling Slam was town but now I'm starting to believe he is mafia again. I'm not convinced by his reaction "NO SHOCKEY IS TOWN WHAT YOU'RE DOING". If no one is actually moving any waves, that one person is slam.
I have to rethink my reads to be honest, because I was already working with a team of you and Shockey.
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