[M][N]Oil Futures Mafia - Page 50

On May 03 2020 10:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Vivax, if rayn wasn't town, then why would he vote for Kurumi even though he was confirmed town with his posts and was most likely going to get modkilled or replaced? Like the way I see it is if rayn was mafia, he would of voted GB out instead because GB would definitely been his biggest opponent, and his biggest problem until N1 kill or something.

GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, Vivax, Alakaslam

If you're town, which I hope you are based on your game play, then that means Kosh or Slam have to be mafia. Trfel seems to be sheeping Rayn or just willing to vote Kurumi based on the same information Rayn had, and he at least is also trying to play the game as well.

Rayn seems to only not be playing recently because people are scum reading him. He did the same thing last game I played where Hap was really pushing he was mafia.

On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote:
Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way.

Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play.

1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying.

2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads.

i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.

On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...

On May 03 2020 00:48 Jockmcplop wrote:


What was it in Fefe's filter that made you vote shockeyy? Have you read the post where I responded to Fefe's pressure on shockeyy?

On May 03 2020 19:36 Jockmcplop wrote:





ok 1: I wasn't on Kurumi or GB

2: I looked at FF's filter and went through his scumreads. Its possible to re-evaluate and end up in a similar place to before.

3: I have talked plenty about GB today.

GB stays where he is (town). I'm really not convinced of trfel's case on him at all. In fact I flat out disagree with it.

4: Alot of alignments do depend on shockeyy. I think one of shockeyy/koshi is mafia mainly because I think koshi is mafia but if he's town shockeyy's push on him from the beginning of the game looks real bad. Also there's been a consistent push against shockeyy for most of the game so that's why figuring out his alignment is important.

5: I tried to re-evaluate the case against shockeyy to see if my townread was missing something and found that there wasn't a case against him at all. Hence I continued to townread him. I suppose you could just ignore that and replace it with ??? to make me look bad but that's kinda silly.

On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:


OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not.

As for the other parts of your case:


Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up?


Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get?

Who have pushed shockeyy and why are there no posts in your filter in actually trying to figure out what that means? Or if there are please do point me out to them.

On May 03 2020 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
So the people who voted shockeyy are slam, trfel and rayn.

Rayn voted him because he didn't like shockeyy trying to lynch koshi, but rayn also backed down pretty quickly and went for people he was more strongly scumreading (some town points to rayn for this by the way).

Slam's reason seems to be about a beef with shockeyy and the way shockeyy has called him mafia alot. I'm using a particular post slam made to me about it for reference as to slam's reasoning.

Trfel seems like rayn, kind of not really bothered about lynching shockeyy:

Possibly just seeing what would happen with the wagon if he voted there. His point about saying he voted koshi for a pressure vote and also saying koshi's opening was mafia is the only thing i agree looks bad here. I disagree with drawing conclusions from how shockeyy was voting slam while GB was up for lynch. I don't think that looks bad on shockeyy and he never showed interest in particularly trying to save GB, but was voting for a scumread.

I still think shockeyy is town here. I just can't see any case for him being mafia except his early thing with the read on koshi, and that's nowhere near enough to scumread him when his reads have been consistent, and consistent with his voting also.

On May 03 2020 19:59 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote


Jock who do you want to lynch?
What is this entire conversation about? Do you want to find mafia?

On May 03 2020 20:01 Jockmcplop wrote:


My PoE currently:

Slam
Koshi
Chezinu
Trfel
Vivax

On May 03 2020 19:52 Jockmcplop wrote:


This whole post is about GB rayn. I engaged trfel about his GB case because trfel was in the thread and scumreading GB. I'm actually in the middle of talking to trfel about it right now, you don't even have to leave the page to see it. I want trfel to go find the quotes to back up point 1 because it might effect my scumread on GB.

Or is this all an 'outright lie' too..

Rayn, ask yourself if you are still just tunnelling me. If you are there's no point in discussing this stuff because you won't change your mind no matter what evidence i put in front you.
If you're open to admitting that most of the stuff in your previous post was wrong, then that's fine.





I thin you're town and i think you're tunnelled. The stuff you say i haven't posted i have actually posted you are just blind to it because you think i'm scum. This is such a townie rayn trait that there's no way i can do anything but townread you for it. If you're going to keep tunnelling like this i'm going to stop responding because unless you are willing listen to what i'm saying and read my filter with an open mind there's no point in me talking to you.

On May 03 2020 20:08 Vivax wrote:


I'm in your PoE?
Trfel?

On May 03 2020 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't think there is anything you say about GB's alignment there, nor that it looks like you're even trying to re-evaluate something. You say:
- You don't know GB so you dont know what he would do
- But then you assume what he would do??
- The only part you seem interested in you are not willing to investigate yourself. Why does Trfel have to go and prove something to you, why aren't you interested in looking into it by yourself? You can open GB's fliter and see if what Trfel says makes sense or not.



I never "pushed" shockeyy. Trfel hardly pushed shockeyy. The only person who pushed Shockeyy was slam. Other than that, let's say you actually think me and trfel pushed shockeyy. Why does shockeyy being whatever change your opinion on "a lot of players" (that's literally what you said) because you already think both of me and trfel are town? Like if shockeyy is mafia we are more town? How does that change anything?

On May 03 2020 20:08 Vivax wrote:


I'm in your PoE?
Trfel?