EPT[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2 - Page 2
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On April 05 2020 17:40 Vivax wrote: He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree. Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think? I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive. Jock is one of my top town rn. I had the same kind of thought first when i read his response to Trfel's case, i mean like he just picked a case that is wrong and tried to make it look like it's scummy instead of just wrong. (Further explanation; his defense is completely right i just didn't understand why he felt the need to do that in the first place) The post later on though, where he agrees that's reasonable to Trfel to read my posts in that way kinda buried that thought for me as it looked like Jock is really trying to understand Trfel instead of just trying to call him mafia and appealing to me. | ||
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The last game Hapa played here where he was town, his first posts when he arrived to the thread: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2017 02:27 Hapahauli wrote: If you think Boson is town, why do you give a shit? DF post string is pretty scummy. Too much indecisive shade throwing and too much trust in Chez over one super non-alignment indicative post. #Vote Darthfoley On November 21 2017 02:37 Hapahauli wrote: ##Unvote Darthfoley ##Vote Sanislav Petrov Darthfoley was a test. Stanislav Petrov failed. Holyflare failed. Tumblewood gets a D-. Stanislav Petrov is all-over-the-place, is throwing shade, and isn't pushing anything coherent. Shortly after giving a lynch list of... ... he blind sheeps the darthfoley wagon without really ever pushing it. His next two posts are pushing the wagon without really contributing or attempting to figure out darthfoley: ...and pushing two other players while having his vote on darthfoley. He's being very decisive about what he is doing and how to do it. Pressuring people to play and getting reactions for it. Basically just "no bullshit only facts" type of play. Now this is how Hapa plays as town, every time i remember seeing him play it looks like this or somewhat similar. I even talked with him about this during that specific game and after and was laughing how can people ever scumread him in that game (he got lynched D2 and (if i remember correctly) almost at D1 while looking super townie). This is how Hapa looks like when he plays as scum + Show Spoiler + In post 26, outoforder wrote: Because i don't feel like i need to ask you about it. From what i remember playing with you you will make your alignment clear to me before D1 ends even if i didn't prod you in any way. There is also a Rels-specific reason i am not willing to discuss yet. But while you're at it, care to elaborate on this; This is what i believe to be a fact. You don't tend to participate in RVS / pressure vote shennies at D1 start, especailly towards a player you MUST know to not respond to being "pressured" by giving away his alignment as mafia. I mean like if i was scum i couldn't care less that there are people voting for me over absolutely nothing. You know that aswell so the only conclusions i can come to are that either (1) you actually think i am mafia, or (2) you are mafia. So why do you think i am mafia? You really couldn't think i could possibly have - at this point of the game - a specific question to a specific player that i would not feel the need to ask you aswell, just because i have played with both of you before? In case there is option (3) aswell, feel free to tell me what that is. I asked Rels a question, he contests the question because for some dumbass reason it should concern him too, asks me some stupid shit, and not only that he throws a seemingly RVS vote on me. Unfortunately i dropped him as a scumread after lol... Now in this game i see a lot of similarities to that (to be honest in that game it continued even further, i am just too lazy to quote more). I see here that Hapa's entrance isn't going to take him anywhere, like i can't possibly understand what he is trying to do with what he posted EVEN IF he ACTUALLY thought Shockeyy is mafia and saw something there. In my opinion that is a massive red flag in addition to that fitting his mafia!MO rather than town one. | ||
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On April 05 2020 18:09 Chezinu wrote: What do you find appropriate dad? Why do I disgust you? Use your imagination, especially when going on VIDEO.  | ||
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On April 05 2020 15:15 Jockmcplop wrote: hmm... i quite like this logic even if I don't agree. This is the post that made me change my mind. There are many many ways to attack this post in case Jock wants to do that, especially since i don't do any of what Trfel says here. Furthermore even if i did, it's no way of comparing that narrative to my early posting because i posted a joke and a bait to you. No reads lol. | ||
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On April 05 2020 18:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH the post jock quoted here (especially the bolded part) is a reason i have a scum read on trfel atm. That's not an unreasonable read to have. I personally am not sure if it makes Trfel mafia or not. Which is why i am asking him where he has gotten this narrative. I don't think you can just take a random statement on how people play and generally apply it to all people and Trfel should be good enough player to know that. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What point does explaining how the game should be played, in relation to a player whos playstyle is a known quantity, to justify a hard stance read this early in the game? Why does this apply to Trfel and not to me, since i kind of did the same thing with Hapa? | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:20 Vivax wrote: I'll tell the reasoning a bit later, but first I'd like to see how you're going to keep playing the rest of the day. Well i can already tell you i will be voting for Hapa unless something drasiclly changes. | ||
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Vivax, BC, Jock. I think Vivax is town for the amount of effort he is putting into the game. Sure you can argue what BC is arguing atm but i dont think that's a good metric for reading Vivax. He makes paranoid reads at times and doesn't explain things properly at times but that doesn't mean anything. I don't think Vivax would put this much effort into the game in a way that actually contributes to the game if he was mafia (like last game he was mafia in he was fucking more interested in talking stock prices than mafia....), i also don't think he would attack me like he has if he was mafia because if that's the case i can easily counter-argue the points purely by my activity (see what i said about his earlier) and he is likely to get lynched, even on D1. That's like... not a good play for him. I like BC's case on Hapa. It's a very very good case, easily the best at this point of the game. I don't hate his Trfel read while i am not sure if it's right or wrong. I don't think Vivax is right on what he said about BC because yes BC, while it CAN look like you're doing what Vivax said, i don't think that's the case here. You randomly or "randomly" voted for hapa -> just to "add on to your "case"" later, you "had your eye" on Trfel -> just to scumread him later. You cannot completely dismiss the fact that for some person what you are doing can look like you're latching onto a scumread just to support it with reasoning later. May it be wrong but it's not necessarily scummy to point that out, especially for someone like Vivax. But well, my opinion is that BC is focusing on decent points, in a decent way, (aside from scumreading Vivax) and i think that most likely makes him town. I already told why i am townreading Jock so anyone can read it from my post here. I disagree with Vivax on his assessment that the discussion he had with Trfel looks scummy, i know i felt the same way Vivax did before jock made the post in my link to my read on him. I just don't see why jock makes that post because if jock is mafia and trfel is town the narrative is to bury trfel for a (bad) case (like Vivax seems to think?), therefore letting go of it for some bullshit reason (like jock did) doesn't make any sense at all. In fact it should give more fuel to his case instead of making him reconsider, i think jock is good enough player as mafia to see that. The only small small bad feeling i have about that conversation from jock's side is that i have a nagging feeling the convo didnt necessarily end in a natural way. I know there is a chance of that since i have been playing mafia in a team with him and we created an argument between ourselves. I know, however, that there is a townie way to explain that too so i am not too bothered by that atm. I am just going to say that there is never a world where jock is mafia and trfel is town. Those are my townreads atm. One of the reasons i am writing this post is because i feel like the "town circle" i have atm is arguing with each other for meaningless things rather than what matters and that's how you usually lose a game. So: - Vivax, let go of everything on BC atm and just see what he posted about hapa. Why don't you agree with that) Is it just because you think BC (or me) might be mafia? Can you look at the things posted on hapa objectively and not let your "what if" feelings disturb it? - BC, can you read Vivax' posts and at least try to understand where he is coming from? I think his assessment of your play is reasonable for a townie, right or wrong, and i think he has posted reads which is something you are complaining about rn. Just because they are not laid out clearly in the first place doesn't mean he doesn't have them, because that's what people do, i know because i do that a shitton myself just to see if people are actually paying attention to what they read or not. He has given his reads now, can you go and look if those reads make sense in comparison to what he has said in thread and reassess your position on him? I dont know what to think of Shockeyy and Trfel. I see the points for shockeyy being mafia, i just need more info to make a decision because i dont see anything damning in them and it is still early. I see the points for and against Trfel, but as i said i don't know what it makes him, as again, it's still early. Rels hasn't posted so nothing to say there. I think hapa is mafia for what's been said. That's pretty much it. I also think there is a quite high chance Chezinu is the other mafia, the reasoning is kinda stupid and i wish he figures out what i mean  Also that's something i need to look more into when he posts more. I'd like to hear though why he is voting for Jock. | ||
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On April 05 2020 19:28 Vivax wrote: Rayn also slithered away from that early 'scumslip' by saying it was intended but didn't seem to bother you. I never scumslip dude... never. How dumb you think i am lol? You think i genuinely appealed to you and Trfel as mafia when all the talk we had in the thread was about corona virus basically? Jesus Vivax... | ||
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