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On July 23 2019 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hi i am town. Sounds good, I'm convinced. I'm town too. Do I need to read the setup? | ||
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Give me like 20 minutes to catch up and digest. | ||
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On July 24 2019 03:38 Holyflare wrote: Also this thread is the most confusing fucking thing to read, it's just questions answered with dead ends and cryptic sentences and very boring. I was not impressed by HF's entry to the thread at all and I was glad to see rayn jumped on that. However I was going to wait and see what HF's next posts would be... and these haven't been much better. For instance this one here; thread is pretty readable at the moment aside from rayn and eywa getting in a pissing match, and HF's post does nothing but muddy the waters. The thing I hate most about posts like this is that it doesn't even seek to remedy the problems it points out, it simply adds more chaff to the thread which runs counter to a good town environment. On July 24 2019 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Can you explain to me how you can make all the red statements together? How can you dislike me for the posts on pandain/palmar and the vote on coag but then say my posts on pandain look fine in your case on me and afterwards say that voting coag is good? Just so you know, I think you're mafia still. I have no idea why HF put the newer post first but it seems like another attempt at muddying the waters as it obfuscates the point rayn was making and tries to present a contradiction that doesn't exist if you read the posts in the order rayn posted them. And then HF ends things off by voting for rayn based on a contradiction that he essentially invented. ##Vote: HolyFlare | ||
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On July 23 2019 20:02 Koshi wrote: You are both weird. I am ok with being lynched this game. I will try to make some quality posts. | ||
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On July 24 2019 07:57 Eywa- wrote: I was about to say how bad this is, but then I realized you're in the scum bucket... Carry on. Loudly declaring things you don't understand scummy does not make them scum. But then again I shouldn't have expected much more from you given your tunnel on rayn. | ||
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On July 24 2019 08:02 Tubesock wrote: I'm most suspicious of the Hydra. I like FF though. He seemed genuinely concerned at the slow pace of the game in the first couple pages. And is spot on with the BS call on Nosmurf. I really hated the list post the Hydra did. @meapak. Why do you think Vivax is ok? or the Hydra? What's decidedly mafia about FF? I disagree on all three accounts, so would like to know what you think about it. Ahh intelligent conversation, this is nice. The Hydra: I liked this post here On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Immediate gut reactions: Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one. Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range. Vivax - nothingburger Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude. FF - dunno Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa. rayn - waiting to see on this one. Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then. Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move. J This is almost exactly how I was feeling about the game at this point although I think they are being incredibly lenient on HF. Hydras are tough to read by nature so I understand how the reflex response would be to want them gone quickly however not only do I think there are better targets, at least one of the heads is seeing things in a similar light to me. Vivax: He soft townreads rayn and dislikes Coag's first post. He doesn't have a lot of activity but what he does have I agree with. Which stands in sharp contrast to the final person. FF: Aside from the spam which is annoying, FF has a few early posts which stick out: On July 24 2019 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm town hf is null vivax seems towny so far rayn I'm suspicious of but nothing worth voting whoever townread me is probably scum tube maybe idk I'm at work and kinda forgot about the game because of how boring it was. Glad you guys didn't leave much for me to read 🙃 Similarly to what I said I didn't like about HF, I hate people who passive aggressively complain about thread atmosphere. The tone is also incredibly wishy washy. On July 24 2019 01:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I absolutely would ahitpost soam and ask for activity as scum fyi I like to actually playas either alignment WIFOM On July 24 2019 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote: Didn't like your immediate attack on hf when I interpreted hfs entrance as jokey. Easy townreads on me often come from scum this has no basis in evidence just something I've noticed[b/] Pointless suspicion with no supporting evidence. [B]On July 24 2019 02:42 Fecalfeast wrote: The hydra is just jock and bugs right Easily answered spam question. His only real substantial post is about....... drum roll.... lynching lurkers. Which is always a super easy topic for scum to discuss because it doesn't require calling anybody out based on evidence, and usually ends up with a townie lynch. | ||
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Unfortunately I'll mostly be phone posting until late today. I had rayn as town for the HF stuff in the beginning but I may need to reevaluate based off the last 12 hours. | ||
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On July 24 2019 12:59 Holyflare wrote: Maybe it's hard to read but it really doesn't matter what order I put them in in this post because I make a literal timeline that explains it perfectly in my post here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549650-cupids-arrow-mafia?page=12#232 Which you've completely ignored? This timeline actually confuses me more than anything but given rayn's outburst at the hydra I'm starting to doubt myself on a couple reads anyway so I'll back off for now. | ||
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On July 25 2019 00:21 Tubesock wrote: Meap This was 21 hours ago. So, basically first half of the cycle. This is after he said no reads posts until deliberating with Bugs. This entire post is fluff. Did anyone like Koshi's first post? I doubt anyone say any redeeming value in it either. You can say that about almost everyone in the game for most games. So that's a nothingburger. He didn't like how HF tried to dumbclaim his way to town, but then eosn't arrive anywhere with it. It's convoluted for mafia but in HF's mafia range. Ok, that's a nothingburger statement too. Vivax - nothingburger, well he said it best. Saying V is a nothingburger leaves the rest of us with nothing. It would have at least said something if Jock then said Vivax being a nothingburger is most likely mafia. That would be substantial, and useful for town. Coag - of course scumclaims suck. He got heat for it immediately too. So this is a useless comment from town. FF - dunno. More nothingburger. Why not have a line about Chezinu and Alakaslam? They both are most likely similiar as in complete tossups. Why include FF? Feels like it's easier to later throw shade on FF than succomb to the law of Brown or Chupazi. Eywa - quickly scumreading someone isn't scummy. But apparently it is for Jock, so why isn't HF scumread too? rayn - he just finished a shitfight and has no read??? From the tone I would think he would scumread him. That isn't neccessarily scummy, but yet another player listed with zero information for town. This entire post is fluffy fluff. What is the purpose of it? To give town his reactions? How did any of them help town? You're not wrong that some of these are easy reads, but the first two are the most important imo. You can say "nobody liked Koshi's post" but stuff like that gets lost if people don't point it out. Similar with the crap about HF which also has been dropped. I'm not going to lynch the hydra over it, especially when I agreed with the sentiment at the time it was posted. The game has progressed and so have their reads. I'm going to look elsewhere for D1 scum. | ||
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On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so. The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ: I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal. Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to. I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so. -wherebugsgo Tube has been reading the game well so far and he had you as scum early so I wanted to see if he could back things up a little more. I see where he's coming from but I still think he's wrong. Also I've been an early and often lynch choice in every game I've been in since I started playing again six months ago -_- apparently my town skills took a dive during my 3ish year hiatus. | ||
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On July 25 2019 00:41 Koshi wrote: If you read rayn page 5 and dont vote him limits are off again for this game. Pure anti town shitty behaviour. Dont vote for that. Keep anti town in the game. Good move. So I did read it and you're not wrong. Especially when my biggest reason for giving him an early townread was based off something I'm not even sure about anymore. If its between rayn and the hydra I'd rather kill rayn at this point. Koshi's posts today have also made him a solid townread for me. | ||
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On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip. The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then. I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment. Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them. On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer. Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one. I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy. Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that? I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me. On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really.. I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town. My advice is that you look into HF and pandain. Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce. On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote: This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game. Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads. On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read. He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track. See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone. Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2. If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum. I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does. On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous. On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is. Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process. Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out. | ||
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On July 26 2019 09:57 Tubesock wrote: Pandain for me is borderline policy. The only time I remember playing or reading a game he was in, he was town but I was certain he was scum. This game is completely forgettable. So, I guess that could be scum points. I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too. | ||
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I'm reasonably certain HF is town at this point which makes me less confident vivax was killed because of his reads and more likely scum were hunting the other mason. Pandain is still on my scum list but that's just based off of activity and meta rather than vivax. The people trying to get the Hydra killed are really off the mark here. If anything the Hydra is one of the few people most actively scumhunting. Tube I understand you're kinda playing the devil's advocate this game but at this point I think your tunnel of the hydra is unproductive. | ||
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On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote: Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world. It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her? Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still. | ||
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On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her? Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still. Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now. | ||
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On July 27 2019 22:12 NoSmurfHere wrote: Here's where I am on Slam: If he's mafia and he's self voting he's doing it to try and keep votes away from other mafia. Otherwise he's town and just wants to die cos he thinks it will help town. Either way voting for him at this point is bad. Koshi is scum however and he will get stronger as the game gets smaller. If you think he is mafia kill him today. -J I absolutely hate his martyr and that's from someone who's done it before. Imo you martyr as town when there's like 6 hours left in the day and you have no hope of getting saved so you self vote to spawn discussion about the next day's vote. Slam on the other hand self voted with like 24 hours left and hardly a vote lead which to me says he's trying to appeal to emotion (and it seems to be working). The case on Koshi is not bad though, I just feel like we're moving from a like 95% chance to a 75% chance at hitting scum. | ||
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On July 27 2019 22:23 Branch.AUT wrote: I make it a rule to not follow scum suggestions. Even if Koshi looks guilty as hell This is some terrible reasoning here dude. You brought up koshi looking bad independent from the hydra and repeated it a couple of times. Eversince voted koshi and then the hydra did. The hydra then expanded on the koshi vote, which is a read you agree with, and now you're not going to vote Koshi because you've convinced yourself the hydra is scum. If that's the case then why keep ragging on koshi? If you think the hydra is falsely accusing Koshi then why keep shading him? Unless you've somehow developed a scenario where the hydra is busing koshi, which doesn't make much sense unless you think slam is also scum and the scum team has decided to trade slam for koshi. There is a disconnect here: either you think the hydra is scum which makes koshi town, and yet you continue to shade koshi Or you think the hydra is scum, busing scum koshi to save scum slam? Either way this is terrible fucking logic. Actually I'd like anyone who is scum reading the Hydra because of this koshi push who also thinks koshi is scum to read this because the logic makes literally zero sense. | ||
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Go read the end of the world mafia if you want to see what I'm talking about. I got lynched like D4 or something and just stopped fighting it in the last couple hours so we could move on and talk about other shit. This preemptive 24 hours early martyr is just ridiculous. And yours is not any better by the way Mr. "I'm fine with Dying today." If you're town, start giving a fuck and play. | ||
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On July 27 2019 22:47 Koshi wrote: I gave enough fucks. I am ok with dieing because I can't cure retarded. Let me get this straight Branch, you think this guy right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^ is scum. Getting bused by the hydra. Who is also scum. Which means you must think slam is scum, since the only person who a koshi bus would save is slam. Have I got all that right? Because that is the path that your logic is flowing down right now and it is pants on head retarded. | ||
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On July 27 2019 22:50 Koshi wrote: I am like second in the game filter based and you say "start caring" because I am ok with getting lynched :DDDD Fucking stupid. Anyway. My mafia reads are not here and my town reads seem to have minus IQ. So either I am wrong about my mafia reads and it is ok that I die. Or I am right about my mafia reads but this town is fucking stupid. Slam/Koshi top votes :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD fml. How many times have I defended townies and yet the dumb town lynch them anyway. Last post. gl hf. Youe filter is literally 2-3 line posts, most of which is sniping at town atmosphere, talking about how you don't give a shit, and giving almost no backup for your reads. It's actually astounding you can say so little with so many posts. Kinda feels like we outed most of the scum team here all of a sudden. I've liked nothing you've posted for the past 24 hours and this little flury here has me very comfortable voting you. | ||
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Such BS scummy anti town play. | ||
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On July 27 2019 23:05 Tubesock wrote: I really like this Branch.AUT. Voting NSH. Dude have you read anything that's happened in the past like 3 pages? Please checkout my post here https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549650-cupids-arrow-mafia?page=49#965 | ||
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On July 27 2019 23:10 Branch.AUT wrote: Incorrect. As they are so fond of claiming, hydra voted first. Also note how I multiple times noted koshi looks suspicious, while never actually calling him anything more. All your reasoning is pants on head because you invented connections where none are. I am pushing my scumread, the hydra, because they react like scum. You, MZ, are establishing consitional reads on others, which at this point is a waste of time. The bolded part here is terrible. Are you afraid of giving reads? And you should read my post a little more closely because I don't think you are actually thinking through the implications of your own position. But for the sake of argument, we can run through the logic again with no reference to Koshi's alignment. Hydra scum, pushes koshi to save slam (slam most be scum) That's what you're implying. There, I completely took out any reference to koshi's alignment. Hydra has zero reason to push koshi unless slam is scum. Slam was going to get lynched before everyone started unvoting. They have literally put themselves on the chopping block for a read. That's about as town as it gets. The only way this makes sense for them as scum is if they're trying to save slam (which probably means slam has a scum power role and that's all the more reason to kill him) Think about the implications of your reads. | ||
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On July 27 2019 23:12 Tubesock wrote: I did read the last three pages. And the 47 before that. I do not agree with any of your arguments Meap. I think you’re wrong in Slam, and NoSmurfHere. Repeating that I’m in a stupid tunnel isnt going to change my mind that I think smurfs arguments are from scum. Please show me where they critically thought about the game and wasn’t lecturing us on how to play or how great their scum game is. Smurf has literally put himself on the chopping block for Koshi. Explain to me how that makes sense as scum. He could have sat back and ridden the slam lynch into the sunset if he was scum and slam was town. | ||
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On July 27 2019 23:24 Tubesock wrote: If hydra is scum there’s no downside from pushing off a town Slam who is mayrting. Slam is likely to lynch himself. Hydra can later say he wasn’t voting poor townSlam and trying to get mean ole dumb town to kill “mafia” Koshi. And then work in killing Koshi the next day. If Slam doesn’t get lynched, he can go back to oh we should have lynched Slam, my bad. So no Meap, this scenario is not necessarily implying Slam is a scum power role. This is just bad logic. You say there's no downside but they are literally the ones getting lynched right now because of their push off. They're both decent players, they know how many people wanted them dead in the thread. Both of the scenarios you proposed about possible scum motives make no sense. I'm going out now and idk if I'll be around for the lynch but I just want you to read this once as objectively as possible without assuming the hydra is scum and see if this reasoning makes sense. If you end up being right about this I'll shut up and sheep you for the rest of the game. | ||
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On July 27 2019 23:28 Branch.AUT wrote: Missed this earlier. Never accused koshi, never accused slam. Talking about the hydra, because the hydra is my scum read. Your insistance on connecting players to each others at this point in time is premature. Seems to me you are trying to spread attention between many people at this time. Which is miguided and anti town. I don't care who you've "accused" or not with your pushes because at this point we're debating semantics. I need you to think about what your actual scum read implies. You can not say anything about someone and still have an implied read because of who you're pushing. I'm going out now. | ||
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I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot. | ||
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I honestly don't know where I'm at with HF. I'll read him over again tomorrow. | ||
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On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote: Cutting it very close to deadline here. I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town And just because Branch acknowledges it does not exonerate him from making it. On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote: Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up. This right here is reaching to make connections in the extreme, which is funny because that's exactly what Branch accused me of doing when I tried to walk them through the logic behind his reads. The best thing HF has done this whole game has been to pull those logs from the Hydra. Since I townread the Hydra, Occam's razor says that HF is also town and simply looking to get a clearer picture. And Branch is trying to throw doubt on that. On July 30 2019 03:49 Branch.AUT wrote: Calling me scum entails coagulation claiming scum with first post and actually being scum. I don't know the man but I'm quite certain hes not that much of a cretin. Yes I do believe he could be. On July 30 2019 03:53 Branch.AUT wrote: Your suspicion of me for a horrendous vote is warranted. As mentioned earlier this stems from me voting very rushed because I was short on time before deadline. If you read my filter you will realize that my entire game has been applying logic to finding scum. And see this is something I've been having a problem with throughout Branch's filter. between his declaration regarding his lack of meta as well the extremely robotic tone (someone actually used this word to describe him and I agree), it feels like Branch is trying super hard to put up a facade of controlled logic and reason. Slam talked a bit about emotion earlier and it honestly would be a fun postgame discussion to get into in the Community thread about the role emotion plays in forum mafia. I personally believe that attempts at "Pure Logic & Reasoning" serve more as a hiding place for scum rather than a bastion of good town thought. Townies do stupid illogical things, too dumb to be scum is a phrase for a reason no matter how much I hate it. Scum is more likely to post in a controlled manner imo. That was a lengthy paragraph about meta on a player who has already reminded us he has none so it's kinda useless to overall scumhunting but in the interest of transparency that's where part of my gut scum read of Branch comes from. On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote: I like your approach to the game. HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt. Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you. This was a funny post to me because it sounded odd and I couldn't place it until I realized; it's a copy of a post in my filter: On July 24 2019 21:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Tubesock, people wanna kill the hydra and I don't buy it, you're one of the few people critically thinking this game and you've scumread them. Spell it out for me like I'm stupid. Part of me can't help but wonder if Branch has "logically deduced" that this is how I like to communicate as mafia and is trying to head off me scumreading him since it probably wasn't hard to deduce I was suspicious of him after our initial interaction. On July 30 2019 05:14 Branch.AUT wrote: I am going through low activity people at the moment. Don't have a good scumread but these are my thoughts. Im cautious about HF because of the weight he carries in thread. Fecalfeasts opinions seem to line up with mine a lot, but his filter is filled with garbage posts. Who are yours? Again, people have already pointed out how bad this post is but since I'm here I'll throw in my two cents. For someone who has talked about the importance of voting your scumread (which I agree with!) Branch's hesitancy to say anything at all about HF is very strange. When responding to a post asking for reads Branch proceeds to throw out names with no reads. It goes back to the earlier questions I had for him in regards to his opinions of Koshi. He talks about how Koshi looks "guilty as hell" but then when I pushed him on it, he came back to say that he had never called Koshi scum. Branch likes to hide behind the technicality of never calling anyone "scum" (except for the hydra which at this point I think he's backed off of) and merely saying "suspicious". This is all worth remembering because the last bit from Branch I don't like is his big list of reads: On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote: 1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt 2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town 4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts. 5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious 6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious 7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read 11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious 12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town 14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town This post takes no responsibility for the reads within it. Does he actually believe any of the suspicious people are scum? Who knows. Hell he even calls HF suspicious and then gives him a townread. This post and his play so far during this day cycle scream attempts at dodging responsibility. I don't have a problem with the questions that he's asked people in a vacuum, however when there is no follow up to the questions and seemingly no coherent push being made based on information gained from asking them, this falls under what I used to call "contributing without contributing" i.e. creating seemingly town content without actually having to make a stand on anything. I didn't really come into this post certain one way or another of Branch's alignment but it was something that was bothering me yesterday before the lynch. Having had some time to sit down and go over things I'm fairly comfortable calling Branch scum. This also reinforces my scumread of Koshi because of Branch's chainsaw defense at the end of D2. 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On July 30 2019 03:15 Eywa- wrote: You guys post too much... Holy fuck. FecalFeast has to be the lynch today, I mean... His filter is terrible, just keeps pushing random reads off of the main wagons, but doesn't actually push them hard enough to push them through. Then he calls other people scum for pushing mislynches. Also, this feels a lot like PR hunting. WHERE DID THAT GUARANTEED COP CHECK GO? Oh... Y'all lynched it. This is correct. On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote: Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start. This is correct. As long as Eywa is gonna vote people who are scum and not me I'm not gonna scumread them for being a douchebag. I think his reasoning for not voting koshi is stupid because we really need to be lowering scum numbers ASAP but as long as we vote for one of Koshi or Branch I think we should be good. I need to really reread FF now because he's come up several times in other filters. | ||
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On July 28 2019 01:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Why kill chez? Most info because he's being a dumpster or because we learn slam stuff too On July 28 2019 04:20 Fecalfeast wrote: I mean that's kinda why i'm voting for chez On July 28 2019 04:20 Fecalfeast wrote: he's done nothing + my townreads want to vote him This is just garbage right here. Like 3 hour read swing to the wagon of convenience is so ugly. It also lines up well with scum looking for any reason to not get on the Koshi wagon, something that Branch had going on as well. On July 28 2019 04:57 Fecalfeast wrote: 50/50: If someone else swaps to koshi I might shenanigan onto him or This is a trap to bait scum This post says "I want the town to know I wanted Koshi dead so that when we all do the after action on the dead townie chez I don't look so bad." As much as this forum likes to talk about shennanies, they rarely happen so this is a very safe little throw away post to avoid responsibility. And speaking of avoiding responsibility, guess who makes sure that there will be no chance of shenanigans... it's Branch: Try not to act so surprised next time FF On July 28 2019 05:05 Fecalfeast wrote: so coag claimed scum post 1 as scum and branch is a super tryhard or what are we thinking here "Quick my scumbuddy just did something stupid and I acknowledged it, how do I avoid association" On July 29 2019 06:41 Fecalfeast wrote: Hydra mafia me vote Bad On July 30 2019 02:11 Fecalfeast wrote: Can we kill eywa then This is like playing a game of "throw a bunch of shit on the wall and see what sticks" On July 30 2019 04:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Well I'm voting eywa and think they've played scummy. There's some smart people words that suggest the hydra may be town and nobody wants to vote with me there. My opinion is that an eywa lynch is good. This actually makes me feel better about not going after Eywa now. Scum team: Koshi, Branch, FF | ||
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On July 30 2019 09:38 Eywa- wrote: Soo... Anyone seeing this FF and MZ scum theater unfolding? Jesus christ dude get off my nuts and scumhunt. | ||
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like how are we in lylo with him alive FF flipping town is gonna make me have to rethink some stuff now. Part of me is tempted just to stick it out and roll with koshi again but the fact that I'm still alive and I am clearly missing a member of the scum team means I'm gonna need to do some serious rereading. Fuck man, I thought we had this shit on lock. | ||
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On July 31 2019 04:47 Branch.AUT wrote: Since we're consolidating Im putting my vote on koshi. Eywa and HF too suspicious to vote with. Hydra youre on the wrong track yet again On July 31 2019 04:50 Branch.AUT wrote: Just pushed Eywa to get reaction. Only thing I got was Koshi and FF flopping onto it. Don't like the filter. If Scum then with HF I hate these posts. Branch finally comes out with a real serious push and then backs off when he realizes he's not getting traction. He provides not one but two reasons for his change of heart: He was either consolidating or "pushing for a reaction" But wait! today he says he was scumreading Eywa for real yesterday: On August 01 2019 17:28 Branch.AUT wrote: I thought the hydra was scum after bugs made a strange comment I tunneled into but their qt gave them a lot of towncred. To me, hydra town. Pandain have to filter again, but really like his early days last time I read him. Right now uncertain of him. Eywa I've called scum all day yesterday. People felt her town because town meta. But very easy to fake meta. Still think that their play is scummy. So was it a real scumread or not? Why do you never stand with a read. It feels as if every one of your reads is carefully constructed to avoid responsibility for whatever position you're taking. On August 01 2019 17:28 Branch.AUT wrote: I thought the hydra was scum after bugs made a strange comment I tunneled into but their qt gave them a lot of towncred. To me, hydra town. Pandain have to filter again, but really like his early days last time I read him. Right now uncertain of him. Eywa I've called scum all day yesterday. People felt her town because town meta. But very easy to fake meta. Still think that their play is scummy. On August 01 2019 20:41 Branch.AUT wrote: Voting Everysince On August 01 2019 20:51 Branch.AUT wrote: I'm hesitant to call out three people in connection. It is no how I approach this game. I'll try anyway because youve asked me too My strongest scumreads are MZ/Pandain. Both sheeped Slam during lynches, except when Slam changed his vote close to deadline. Both post constructive just enough to not be supiciously inactive, but way too little to actually catch mafia. Eywa/ES im less sure of, Eywa because HF went all out defending them on meta reason. ES mostly posts prior to deadline and willingly gives her vote to anyone interacting, except when I pushed to lynch Eywa. Could see ES+Eywa together mafia. I consider any combination of these four possible. This dude is literally just throwing names at a wall to see which one sticks. He mentions his is "uncertain leaning scum" on Eversince prior to his vote and then proceeds to call Pandain his strongest scum read... who he was uncertain of 4 hours prior. What changed in between those? The hydra made this post: On August 01 2019 19:34 NoSmurfHere wrote: MZ and pandain are both the same in this game. There's posts they have made that are scummy, but also some posts that seem good. Both have just enough activity not to be suspicious (not the case with eversince). I didn't actually think MZ's case on you was full of holes. That doesn't make him more or less likely to be town though imo. I think he has looked like he's hiding in plain sight the whole time. The case he made on you was contributing new stuff to the thread. The problem I have with it isn't that it was full of holes, but that you were an easy target. I'm going to filter MZ now, then ES for more detailed analysis. -J So now that the hydra is questioning Pandain and myself, we become Branch's strongest scumreads. It's all a matter of convenience and ending up where the most votes are. And what ever happened to the Eywa scumread from yesterday? Gone with the wind apparently. But regardless of these points, where is Branch's vote? It's on eversince. Rather than push his "strongest scum reads." But Hydra, Eversince, and Pandain, I need you guys to read this over and seriously think about the lynches you are pushing. Look at Branch. This dude is literally looking for the most opportune lynch to park his vote on and ride out the day. I honestly can't say I've read eversince that closely but I will not be on the same wagon as Branch at lylo. | ||
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On August 02 2019 00:56 Branch.AUT wrote: Just as predicted, scum going after the newbie for an easy mislynch in Lylo. Good setup, decent executtion. Doomed to fail. Saw this push coming on day 2. Looking forward to your scum buddies piling onto it. lolol ok Mr. On July 28 2019 05:31 Branch.AUT wrote: First game on forums. Therefore no recorded meta Funny how you were hard charging earlier but now that the chips are down you're gonna try and pull out the newbie card. Not buying it at all. I also like how you predict my "scum buddies" to pile on you when that's exactly what you and Koshi did to eversince. Just waiting for eywa to hop on for the trifecta. | ||
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On August 02 2019 01:16 NoSmurfHere wrote: MZ you think my reads should be the same as they were yesterday? Koshi & Branch?? Who do you think is the third mafia? -J Eywa. It has to be Eywa by POE. I think I overlooked a lot of stuff about them because I hate OMGUS cases but at this point I don't think it's you or Pandain and I don't see eversince as scum both because of play and because of host WIFOM. I just wished we fucking lynched Koshi yesterday because that would have answered so many more questions. I still would lynch Koshi today but I think the Branch case is just so much more blatant, especially over the last 24 hours. I'm pretty sure he's scumread everyone left in the game in an attempt to find a safe spot for his vote. | ||
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On August 02 2019 01:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: Branch and eywa? Probably not imo -J Why? Branch has been screaming about eywa being scum but never put the hammer to them when they had the chance? Like go back and read the last few pages of Branch's filter and you'll see several examples (which I quoted earlier) of what I'm talking about. The eversince vote from branch should be a huge red flag | ||
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On August 02 2019 01:20 Koshi wrote: MZ can you make post that I understand? What are your 3 scumreads with 1 line of reasoning? And same for 3 townreads. Alright Koshi I will play ball with you since it's the last day. Scum: Branch- he was a big part in saving you D2, since then he has done nothing but look for a safe spot to park his vote. He backtracks on almost every read. After screaming about eywa being scum yesterday, he backs off and says it was just a test. He calls me and Pandain his top scumreads today and then votes Eversince. It's all about convenience. Eywa- Has actually done nothing this game but get townies killed. Like I said in my previous post, I am hesitant to call out people who tunnel me. OMGUS is a shitty reason to build a case and I also understand that my activity level over the past year has made me seem scummy, that said with FF flipping town and with my townreads on pandain and eversince I'm left with no other options. POE. You: You've martyred, you've not scum hunted, your entire filter is oneliners. If you are somehow town you just played one of the worst town games I've ever seen. You've escaped lynch twice due to what appears to be scum team shenanigans at EOD (this was painfully obvious D2). More recently, you're part of the eversince push which I think is terrible. Town: Hydra- I shouldn't have to explain much about the Hydra at this point, it's all in my filter. If they're scum they deserve the win Pandain- I thought he might be scum D2 but his D3 play was decent and a lot of his reads are similar to mine. Eversince- You're not wrong that he (she?) has not made much of an impact on the game but that's something I'd expect out of a townie who replaced in (and it stands in sharp contrast to Branch). Plus I'm already scumreading Branch and I don't think host would replace two scum players, that would be horrifically unfair to the town. | ||
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On August 02 2019 02:00 Eywa- wrote: The last thing we want is to split... *votes elsewhere* Even voting for the lock town is better than voting off wagon  Wrong but you're scum so I don't care | ||
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On August 02 2019 02:14 Koshi wrote: Ahhhhhhhh I dont think Branch is mafia. I also didnt think coag was mafia...... Not expecting you to vote for your scumbuddy anyway | ||
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On August 02 2019 02:20 Koshi wrote: For shits and giggles. MZ and Eywa, are you willing to both vote each other? While I'm sure you would love that since it gives you an easy mislynch on me, I would definitely vote eywa over eversince. | ||
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On August 02 2019 02:21 NoSmurfHere wrote: Koshi we can switch to MZ if you want. -J Jock I need you to reread Branch. | ||
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On August 02 2019 02:55 Koshi wrote: Whybthe fuck would both eywa and I move to mz and not stick on eversince for example????? No lets go to the active townie present in the thread...... Because eversince was a trash push and you know it. people are already getting off it the second it was called out. Your gut read does not constitute a good case. | ||
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On August 02 2019 02:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: If koshi and branch were mafia why didn't they kill us last night? They leave alive the confirmed town that's been scumreading them and pushing them when they have 2 kills?? If eywa and branch were mafia together why was branch voting for, and pushing, eywa for pretty much the whole of yesterday? None of that makes any sense at all. It makes much more sense if you left us alive because you wanted us to push koshi and branch today. -J The same is true for me. If you or I show up dead today Branch/Koshi are the auto today. What doesn't make sense is the eversince push from a town PoV, quickly followed up with the shift onto me once I point out how bad it is and refocus things on Branch. People reaching for scum reads on eversince reeks of scum trying not to vote for their basically outed teammates. | ||
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On August 02 2019 03:03 Koshi wrote: Eversince is just in my poe This is a dumb fucking PoE dude And where has this fight and effort been all game? Like look at your behavior from my point of view. I see you fucking off the whole game, martyring and complaining, and now all of a sudden at the 11th hour you're mr tryhard. It feels like scum who realizes they can't rely on last minute vote switches to skate by anymore. | ||
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On August 02 2019 03:06 NoSmurfHere wrote: No there's perfectly good town reasons for both the vote on ES and the vote on you. -J Your vote on me I get, the two scum voting me I also get. There was no good reason for the ES vote. None at all. | ||
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My vote is going to remain on Branch. He opportunistically changes his votes, he saved Koshi. He fake pushes his buddy Eywa. Hydra you really need to reread him. | ||
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On August 02 2019 18:38 Branch.AUT wrote: I think MZ is scum because: Previously he started sowing accusation across different posts D2/N2. Following this he wrote a very misinterpreted case on may on day 3. His collection of out of context quotes and intentional misinterpretation was neither convincid, nor factual. Many of his accusatory points had reasonable explanaitions, already provided prior to his case. I explained to him what he got wrong, and even offered him an easy out of this misread (A post about cognitive bias and one of his first posts in the game about coagulation who I replaced). Instead he doubled down and kept throwing mud at me in bypassing comments on other conversations all the way through N3. I can only take this to mean, he is scum trying to set-up an "easy" mislynch in lylo on the newbie player for days in advance. You and eywa have a funny way of viewing things you don't understand as scummy. Which I suppose you don't understand things because you are scum. Question for Eversince, Pandain, and Hydra. If I am scum and I come into the thread yesterday and see that ES is about to be lynched, why do I try and switch the votes onto Branch? Why even say anything? Branch has unfortunately got jock wrapped around his finger so Eversince and Pandain it's going to be up to you guys. Branch is 100% the right vote here. Normally I'd be fine with just letting the flip prove me right but unfortunately that strategy doesn't work at lylo. | ||
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On August 03 2019 00:05 Branch.AUT wrote: Your myslynch attempt on the new player is as transparent as it is doomed to fail. Lol yeah you played a pretty decent scum game for a new player. I still find it hilarious how being new is your defense for the Koshi shit, all your opportunistic votes, and your lack of consistent reads. Either way I'm not gonna be around at the deadline as usual so it looks like this game is a loss since I don't think the Hydra is gonna switch even if eversince and Pandain figure it out. I think I've been the lylo lynch twice now in the past year so clearly I need to work on my town game a bit GG | ||
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On August 06 2019 06:03 Eywa- wrote: The scum team was not really in agreement for the night where we got 2 kills, so that's something we were able to utilize to our advantage, I was never killing HF and Slam there. I really wanted the Hydra alive and of course that backfired on me because they immediately figured out what was going on. D1 I tried to instigate a little chaos between hf and rayn and got burned for it bc I'm bad at actually manipulating people as scum. After my D1 debacle I just played D2 and 3 as if I was town and tried to find the people who I would have voted for if I hadn't known who the real team was. It actually worked out ok for me and a lot of people at least sorta townread me. I honestly probably would have pushed Koshi or branch had I been town too. Of course the night kills slowly tore apart the associations I was making and it became harder not to push the scum. I was basically caught with my pants down because my reads never changed. If I had tried to blend in on the eversince push D4, I might have lived. However that was legit one of the worst pushes I've seen recently and I probably would have been mislynched as town anyway because I still would have pushed Branch. His play at both EoDs was pretty rough around the edges and I would have assumed it was new scum. My hard defense of eversince ended up kinda working in the team's favor but it still killed me that people wanted to lynch her over branch or koshi. As an aside, townies owe it to themselves to not appear scummy. Had koshi been more involved from the start idk if scum wins like that. So there you have it, after 9 years of mafia I'm still trash as scum but at least I finally got a win. | ||
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On August 06 2019 12:05 Eversince wrote: I still wonder why scum didn't just lynch me earlier cycle lol.. Literal easy to just lynch in-active ES because I had no option to do anything ever there. Would of been so easy. Because I thought you were obvious town and that Branch had played really scummy. D2 and D3 I had tried to play scum as if I was town and it had worked out well. D4 my associations I had built were kinda falling apart so it was hard for me to continue to sell Branch despite the fact that I thought he was objectively a better lynch (from a townk perspective) in a vacuum. My push on him was because I kinda forgot I was scum. I should have just sheeped along and killed you. We might have won then although I suppose in hindsight my sellout defense of you made you look pretty bad so it worked out for me lol. | ||
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On August 07 2019 02:53 Fecalfeast wrote: But seriously I called out mz and had eywa scum all game also Pandain was the last non-sub person to post after this so I'm taking all the postgame cred thanks Also it's my korean birthday woop woop I wanted to kill you D1 but it would have directly implicated the entire team. You played a really good game. | ||
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I think a lot of us grew up and got jobs and lives and our free time to scroll endlessly through TL disappeared... at least that's what happened in my case. I still enjoy playing and pop in every now and then when I have a stretch of time that will support me reading a thread forna few hours a day. | ||
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