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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 11 2019 07:04 GMT
#7
/in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 07:43 GMT
#98
Wut why is there a night 0?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 07:50 GMT
#99
I can't even find anything about a n0 in the op what is going on?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 07:50 GMT
#100
Palmar wasn't even in the game... Right... Carry on :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 07:51 GMT
#101
Personally I blame Pandain for looking similar to Palmar. I hope you'll take responsibility for this.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 07:54 GMT
#102
##vote Coagulation

Fun fact, my auto correct already suggests voting coagulation after just pressing C.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 09:32 GMT
#105
On July 23 2019 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The more i think about it holyflare feels weird this game.


Should probably just stop thinking then
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 09:36 GMT
#106
I was honestly gonna go into a rant about how shit this game was for having a n0 and how I was confirmed town because I'd never shoot palmar and then I'd already formulated a list of suspects of coag, mz, chez, bugs, possibly you but here we are. I'm still confirmed town though
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 09:36 GMT
#107
I find it weird how you found me weird and haven't done anything about it in 40 mins though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 10:30 GMT
#113
You dumb? Saw Palmar died, skimmed player list, saw a name starting with Pa thought whoa this game is shit, Palmar is dead and he barely ever plays. Made connections with who would shoot Palmar. Reskimmed the op, no n0, think what's going on, look at player list again, it's Pandain. Oh, ok. Vote guy that has a town seal and is easy confirmation and he claimed mafia which I think he did before.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 10:31 GMT
#114
Thanks for making me more confirmed :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 10:33 GMT
#115
##Vote raynpelikoneet

Took you far too long to even accuse me of anything and it was shit.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 10:34 GMT
#116
And on top of that you said I'm weird this game, did nothing, then wrote a case saying my initial posts were fine. So why were they originally cause for concern rayn?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 18:37 GMT
#224
On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Immediate gut reactions:

Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.

Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.

Vivax - nothingburger

Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.

FF - dunno

Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.

rayn - waiting to see on this one.

Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.


Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.

J


Why did you say you don't want to put your views into the thread because of the mechanics of hydras (implying you wanted to talk to bugs about it first) but then put out your reads in the thread?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 18:38 GMT
#225
Also this thread is the most confusing fucking thing to read, it's just questions answered with dead ends and cryptic sentences and very boring.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 18:43 GMT
#228
On July 23 2019 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well w/e gonna write on phone.

I found you weird vecause the post on pandain didnt sit well with me, neither did the vote on coag after.
I thought you had read at öeast some posts when you started posting and if you believed someone actually died you didnt find me weird since i sure would have an opening different than what it was (if there indeed was a nk). Obvs an expllanation would be that you didnt read any posts, which is why i wanted a confirmation on why you actually voted for coag (basically you could give out you in fact rwad posts before you started oosting). Thats why i originally asked about your vote and nothing more.


I don't think there is anything to be said about Tubesock and i also think HF makes a fair point on coag.


On July 23 2019 19:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 23 2019 16:43 Holyflare wrote:
Wut why is there a night 0?

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
I can't even find anything about a n0 in the op what is going on?

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar wasn't even in the game... Right... Carry on :D

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2019 16:51 Holyflare wrote:
Personally I blame Pandain for looking similar to Palmar. I hope you'll take responsibility for this.

Now this is fine i think. Holyflare doesn't read the OP, sees Pandain dying during N0 (because of the green part, i can't even imagine what that would otherwise mean), then realises "shit it's not pandain it's palmar, lol palmar is not even in the game".

Fine, this however doesn't make any sense at all:
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On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote:
I was honestly gonna go into a rant about how shit this game was for having a n0 and how I was confirmed town because I'd never shoot palmar and then I'd already formulated a list of suspects of coag, mz, chez, bugs, possibly you but here we are. I'm still confirmed town though

So AFTER Holyflare realises it's not in fact pandain but palmar who "died" he forms a list of possible candidates. I don't think this makes any sense because either at this point he thinks it was not palmar but pandain or he has already figured out the whole nk doesnt even make any sense.



Can you explain to me how you can make all the red statements together? How can you dislike me for the posts on pandain/palmar and the vote on coag but then say my posts on pandain look fine in your case on me and afterwards say that voting coag is good? Just so you know, I think you're mafia still.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 18:47 GMT
#230
No, you didn't? You just explain that you disliked me because of the pandain posts but in your case you literally say the pandain posts are fine. It's only the:

Fine, this however doesn't make any sense at all:
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On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote:
I was honestly gonna go into a rant about how shit this game was for having a n0 and how I was confirmed town because I'd never shoot palmar and then I'd already formulated a list of suspects of coag, mz, chez, bugs, possibly you but here we are. I'm still confirmed town though


The timeline doesn't add up at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 18:56 GMT
#232
This is the timeline:

1. HF makes post about palmar/pandain 101

2. HF votes coag 102

3. Rayn says HF is weird because of the Pandain posts and vote on coag 104


4. HF explains how he was going to go in a rant about n0 kills and forming a list of suspects 106

5. Rayn makes a case on HF 112

The problem with this case is that it says you are FINE with my Pandain posts after having literally just said in 104 how weird my Pandain posts were! You THEN scum read me for the rant bit (clear misunderstanding, fine, but the first point still stands).


6. HF clarifies expertly 113

7. Rayn says that makes sense 117

8. Rayn rants at Koshi and says HF makes fair point about Coag 123





There is conflicting info here. Point 3 contradicts point 5 (where you say you are FINE with my Pandain posts) and point 3 also contradicts point 8 where you agree with the Coag points!!

So, you either lied about the Coag and Pandain points making me "weird" since you say you LIKED them in both your case and your rant at Koshi or you've been caught out.

Either way, I'm actually voting you now and implore everyone else to do the same.

##vote raynpelikoneet
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 23 2019 18:58 GMT
#234
If it was a fair point on Coag why are you not voting Coag?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 03:59 GMT
#331
On July 24 2019 07:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On July 24 2019 03:38 Holyflare wrote:
Also this thread is the most confusing fucking thing to read, it's just questions answered with dead ends and cryptic sentences and very boring.


I was not impressed by HF's entry to the thread at all and I was glad to see rayn jumped on that. However I was going to wait and see what HF's next posts would be... and these haven't been much better. For instance this one here; thread is pretty readable at the moment aside from rayn and eywa getting in a pissing match, and HF's post does nothing but muddy the waters. The thing I hate most about posts like this is that it doesn't even seek to remedy the problems it points out, it simply adds more chaff to the thread which runs counter to a good town environment.

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On July 24 2019 03:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 23 2019 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well w/e gonna write on phone.

I found you weird vecause the post on pandain didnt sit well with me, neither did the vote on coag after.
I thought you had read at öeast some posts when you started posting and if you believed someone actually died you didnt find me weird since i sure would have an opening different than what it was (if there indeed was a nk). Obvs an expllanation would be that you didnt read any posts, which is why i wanted a confirmation on why you actually voted for coag (basically you could give out you in fact rwad posts before you started oosting). Thats why i originally asked about your vote and nothing more.


I don't think there is anything to be said about Tubesock and i also think HF makes a fair point on coag.


On July 23 2019 19:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 23 2019 16:43 Holyflare wrote:
Wut why is there a night 0?

On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
I can't even find anything about a n0 in the op what is going on?

On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar wasn't even in the game... Right... Carry on :D

On July 23 2019 16:51 Holyflare wrote:
Personally I blame Pandain for looking similar to Palmar. I hope you'll take responsibility for this.

Now this is fine i think. Holyflare doesn't read the OP, sees Pandain dying during N0 (because of the green part, i can't even imagine what that would otherwise mean), then realises "shit it's not pandain it's palmar, lol palmar is not even in the game".

Fine, this however doesn't make any sense at all:
On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote:
I was honestly gonna go into a rant about how shit this game was for having a n0 and how I was confirmed town because I'd never shoot palmar and then I'd already formulated a list of suspects of coag, mz, chez, bugs, possibly you but here we are. I'm still confirmed town though

So AFTER Holyflare realises it's not in fact pandain but palmar who "died" he forms a list of possible candidates. I don't think this makes any sense because either at this point he thinks it was not palmar but pandain or he has already figured out the whole nk doesnt even make any sense.



Can you explain to me how you can make all the red statements together? How can you dislike me for the posts on pandain/palmar and the vote on coag but then say my posts on pandain look fine in your case on me and afterwards say that voting coag is good? Just so you know, I think you're mafia still.

I have no idea why HF put the newer post first but it seems like another attempt at muddying the waters as it obfuscates the point rayn was making and tries to present a contradiction that doesn't exist if you read the posts in the order rayn posted them.

And then HF ends things off by voting for rayn based on a contradiction that he essentially invented.

##Vote: HolyFlare



Maybe it's hard to read but it really doesn't matter what order I put them in in this post because I make a literal timeline that explains it perfectly in my post here:

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549650-cupids-arrow-mafia?page=12#232

Which you've completely ignored?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 04:10 GMT
#332
You mafia mz? This is cherry picked reasoning to the extreme.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 04:37 GMT
#334
I mean, half of MZ's post is:


The thing I hate most about posts like this is that it doesn't even seek to remedy the problems it points out, it simply adds more chaff to the thread which runs counter to a good town environment.


Which would be fine if I didn't directly start asking questions and making posts/cases to make the thread better? But I did.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 04:58 GMT
#337
When do the quality posts start, Koshi?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 05:02 GMT
#338
Vivax, rayn, mz, hydra, koshi

Just made me realise there's like half the thread not even posted yet: chezinu, pandain, revelator, slam (has but not really at all)

9/14, not bad
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 07:18 GMT
#381
On July 24 2019 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Immediate gut reactions:

Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.

Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.

Vivax - nothingburger

Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.

FF - dunno

Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.

rayn - waiting to see on this one.

Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.


Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.

J


Why did you say you don't want to put your views into the thread because of the mechanics of hydras (implying you wanted to talk to bugs about it first) but then put out your reads in the thread?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 10:04 GMT
#395
On July 24 2019 17:41 Pandain wrote:
HF making great points so far and is town (or at least pro-town so far). I think Slam is town too.


Who says this ever lol? Haven't even particularly done much.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 11:23 GMT
#398
On July 24 2019 20:20 Pandain wrote:
Your case on Rayn is the only good case I've seen so far and I agree with it. I also would add that I thought it was weird as hell he latched on to scumreading you when all you did was vote coagulation (as if that's a tell in either direction).

I also don't feel compelled to respond to people who write things like "haven't read his posts but I think he's scum" and "him making great points makes him mafia"


What do you think of mz then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 11:49 GMT
#401
I agree with Koshi on slam at least.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 21:10 GMT
#478
I'll whip you guys into shape.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 23:06 GMT
#490
On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:
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On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason?

Read the op

What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?

I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.

Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?

There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again

OK good luck without me Eywa-

Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.

Not everyone of course.

Not happy to see the brown inactive


You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 24 2019 23:13 GMT
#493
On July 25 2019 08:09 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason?

Read the op

What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?

I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.

Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?

There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again

OK good luck without me Eywa-

Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.

Not everyone of course.

Not happy to see the brown inactive


You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.


Oh hey, you’re here

See my last post, it seems we’re onto the same things.

What do you think of Pandain not doing anything so far? And he called you townish too, I was a bit surprised personally

-wherebugsgo


Not read anything since I last posted before deadline really. Last 2 days at work so quite busy until that's over so we'll see what happens. Game is pretty solvable though you just look at people that shit on the rayn lynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 25 2019 23:22 GMT
#616
On July 25 2019 08:39 Alakaslam wrote:
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On July 25 2019 08:37 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:30 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason?

Read the op

What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?

I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.

Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?

There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again

OK good luck without me Eywa-

Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.

Not everyone of course.

Not happy to see the brown inactive


You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.

Go for it, town fool

Do it

I won’t even resist


How are you so sure at this point that HF is town?

Like even though he agrees with me on you and he was one of the initial folks on rayn I still don’t townread him lol

-wherebugsgo

I do townread him.

I joined the site when HF did. He is a lawyer irl so he knows how to influence:

I am a quiet psychological abuse survivor Autistic savant so I can’t convince anyone of shit but, you might say

I know what I know




On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.

He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.

See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.

Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.

If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.


On July 26 2019 07:40 Alakaslam wrote:
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On July 26 2019 07:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:
On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.

Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.


Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?

I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)

I want to see more opinions on this list of players:

FF
Coag
Chezinu
HF
Pandain

As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.

-wherebugsgo


My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.

My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.


I personally am not giving HF much heat because

1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.

2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD

3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.

As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.

This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.

What do you think of Coag and FF then?

-wherebugsgo

This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.

WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.



Less than 24 hours go by and vivax, the guy who was very likely mafia because he posted shit all, barely mentions me and doesn't even say I'm mafia in any capacity whatsoever and now I'm your top scum read after I've posted literally 0 words in between?

And you think I kill vivax because of this???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 25 2019 23:25 GMT
#617
I am going to bed and I am going to get very very drunk tomorrow and then Saturday all hell will break loose Alakaslam. I hope you are ready.

And, no, Koshi, telling people to back off slam is really bad since he would be super motivated to actually play as mafia after the last game and what he is actually saying isn't knowledge that you gain from reading more than it is knowing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 25 2019 23:28 GMT
#618
My gut after seeing vivax flip was bugs calling the shots because of how bad it was.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 25 2019 23:49 GMT
#620
Well whoever the mason is I don't think they should really claim because at least mafia can shoot into that shit show.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 26 2019 07:35 GMT
#712
On July 26 2019 12:37 Tubesock wrote:
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On July 26 2019 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 26 2019 09:57 Tubesock wrote:
Pandain for me is borderline policy.

The only time I remember playing or reading a game he was in, he was town but I was certain he was scum. This game is completely forgettable. So, I guess that could be scum points.

I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too.


Ok let's kill Pandain.

Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off.

I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy.




FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too.

Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great.


Do you even read his posts though? It's not that he was right on rayn, I really don't give a shit about being right on someone's alignment. It's that he was right BUT HAD NO IDEA why half the people on rayn were on rayn. So, he casually berates people while simultaneously saying there's no case on rayn when there actually was. He can't be bothered to read into why people vote where they do but still calls them out for it anyway and then has made absolutely 0 conclusions on any of those people that voted really obvious town rayn for no reason?

His filter for the last few pages is basically absent of any proper read until vivax flips which is when he decides that vivax was on the right track with vivax saying "look at hf and pandain" rather than any other reason at all. He's 180d his town read on me based on something I'd never even do but his town read on me was because he knows what I do?
Holyflare
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July 26 2019 07:43 GMT
#715
Just wait for me tomorrow before you make any conclusions on me please.
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July 26 2019 07:45 GMT
#717
On July 26 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Holyflare read post 700 that makes FF clearly mafia right?

No reason for town to go about their business like that.


No, I don't think it makes him clearly mafia but it's not a bad point either.
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July 26 2019 07:45 GMT
#718
The hydra concerns me, I won't lie.
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July 26 2019 07:55 GMT
#723
Lol i read pandain's filter. Easy vote.
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July 26 2019 08:24 GMT
#729
On July 26 2019 17:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 14:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:26 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Chezinu voting tubesock is actually quite odd so I’d love to get an explanation for that.

On July 26 2019 12:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill slam


On July 26 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not going to until hydra dies tho


I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward.

-wherebugsgo

Actually it fits with Chezinu scumplay. I suspect him, HF more if Pandain flopped green.

I don’t expect us to see that yet. I expect to flip and I’m fine with that.

Best player.
Slam is best player.


This post literally just says this could be chenizu as mafia and sets up more candidates should his second scum read (remember I'm first) flip green. No need to raise slam on a pedestal for pointing out something very obvious.

This also disregards entirely what he was already thinking. Why would I be mafia simply by virtue of pandain flipping green??? He thinks I'm already mafia and pandain's alignment should have nothing to do with that.
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July 26 2019 08:26 GMT
#731
You're dead to me
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July 26 2019 08:33 GMT
#733
On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote:
You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.

Please. Go away.


When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?

And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.

What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?

Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.

Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?
Holyflare
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July 26 2019 08:46 GMT
#734
Slam, which people on the rayn wagon d1 went voting for him based on 0 cases?
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July 26 2019 09:03 GMT
#738
On July 26 2019 17:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 17:33 Holyflare wrote:
On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote:
You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.

Please. Go away.


When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?

And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.

What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?

Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.

Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?

Vivax died. Filter. 2 names.


I mean this literally doesn't answer anything nor does it explain why it's a good post for you but let's move on and I'll wait for slam's answer to my other question.
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July 26 2019 09:04 GMT
#741
On July 26 2019 18:03 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 17:46 Holyflare wrote:
Slam, which people on the rayn wagon d1 went voting for him based on 0 cases?

Dont trap him vecause he didnt consider that eywa post a case.

Pathetic.

You are.


I'm literally not trapping him in anything so please stop playing for Alakaslam and play for yourself. I'm simply seeing why he makes the post "people killed off rayn based off no cases" and then didn't follow up on any of those people.
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July 26 2019 09:07 GMT
#742
On July 26 2019 18:04 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 26 2019 17:59 Koshi wrote:
On July 26 2019 17:33 Holyflare wrote:
On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote:
You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.

Please. Go away.


When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?

And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.

What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?

Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.

Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?

Vivax died. Filter. 2 names.


I mean this literally doesn't answer anything nor does it explain why it's a good post for you but let's move on and I'll wait for slam's answer to my other question.

Ok you admit to not reading. I am fine lynching you then.


Says the guy who thought I flipped from town reading slam to scum reading slam?

I haven't read much, no, and I clearly know and have interacted with slam/bugs about how slam got to myself/pandain (which, again, if you'd read the thread you'd know?) but that STILL doesn't actually answer my very specific question that has absolutely nothing to do with slam reading vivax's filter and picking out 2 names, 1 of which he didn't even scum read (me).
Holyflare
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July 26 2019 09:10 GMT
#744
Look into means nothing AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

Stop misconstruing my original point you pleb. Jesus christ.
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July 26 2019 09:12 GMT
#746
On July 26 2019 18:03 Koshi wrote:
And Chezinu has nothing to do with all that. Try to read.

And if Eywa is mafia he called the entire ploy as well.

And he called rayn correctly as well. With confidence.


He is on another level as us and he is town.
Don't hate, just follow.



This is literally my point!!!!

CHEZINU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PANDAIN OR MYSELF (who slam only scum read based on vivax) SO WHY DOES CHEZINUS ALIGNMENT DEPEND ON PANDAIN??
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July 26 2019 09:13 GMT
#747
It's like talking to a trump supporter that just repeats inane statements without actually listening to what the people are actually saying.
Holyflare
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July 26 2019 09:14 GMT
#748
Like fuck me are you the Alakaslam fan base or something? Why can he not defend himself without you?
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July 26 2019 09:28 GMT
#753
On July 26 2019 18:24 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 14:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:26 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Chezinu voting tubesock is actually quite odd so I’d love to get an explanation for that.

On July 26 2019 12:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill slam


On July 26 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not going to until hydra dies tho


I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward.

-wherebugsgo

Actually it fits with Chezinu scumplay. I suspect him.
HF more if Pandain flopped green.

I don’t expect us to see that yet. I expect to flip and I’m fine with that.

Now for some insane reason HF want to proof Slam is mafia for above slightly modified post.

Slam gives great content. But that little comma, and the fact Slam said there were no cases on rayn is THE MOTHERFUCKER DEALBREAKER.

7 pages on slam.

But the goddamn comma makes him mafia.


You have edited this alakslam post grammatically to make it look better because this is not the original quote. Nor have I said it makes him conclusively mafia.

The comma makes the entirety of difference. Why does Pandain's alignment effect chezinu alignment?

Furthermore, I don't see your problem with me asking Alakaslam why he has not pushed people he said were doing suspicious things.

None of these things are bad and I simply don't agree that 7 pages of slam filter make him town or anything, especially when I disagree with almost every statement he makes.

Sorry you don't feel the same way but please shut up so slam can play the game with me. You're intruding in a very normal question directed to another player.
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July 26 2019 09:31 GMT
#756
This is even blown way out of proportion. I'm not voting slam, nor have I said he is conclusively mafia (you thought i thought he was town even) I've said pandain's filter is bad and is probably mafia (who slam is voting) but when somebody looks suspicious (pandain) really clearly so and another player (slam) is ALREADY putting qualifiers on his lynch about myself or chezinu being more scummy based on pandain's flip if he's town them I'm going to make all of those enquiries because I'm town and it looks really fucking bad to say.
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July 26 2019 09:51 GMT
#759
At no point did vivax scum read me. He threw my name into a look into pile. He scum reads pandain and qualifies why.

Pandain flipping town is qualified with making CHEZINU more mafia or myself. CHEZINU has literally no involvement with vivax's filter nor should it affect his read on chezinu.

I will speak nothing more of this. It's abundantly clear what I mean and have meant all along and you've repeatedly misconstrued it. Probably not maliciously, just Koshily.
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July 26 2019 09:58 GMT
#760
Furthermore, the original post was why does Chezinu post that post he did. Which the response should simply be "because I think he is mafia". Pandain and hf do not belong in that post, especially so with the qualifier.
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July 26 2019 10:49 GMT
#762
I scum read pandain because he overzealously town read me and slam and it looks really bad among other things. I'll explain later.
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July 27 2019 00:02 GMT
#876
Fuuuuuuuuuckkkk me I don't have a job anymore :D
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July 27 2019 00:24 GMT
#881
On July 27 2019 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 09:02 Holyflare wrote:
Fuuuuuuuuuckkkk me I don't have a job anymore :D

fired? nice moretime for mafia


Last day!!! Pretttyyyy drunk
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July 27 2019 14:52 GMT
#1001
Don't lynch koshi jesus christ.
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July 27 2019 14:56 GMT
#1005
On July 27 2019 23:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
Don't lynch koshi jesus christ.


Why is he trying to kill town then hf?

-J


You think a mafia player trying to not look bad and avoid a lynch just starts killing off his town reads and mimicing rayn page 5 that he used to kill rayn? I don't think so.
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July 27 2019 14:56 GMT
#1006
On July 27 2019 23:55 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
Don't lynch koshi jesus christ.

What are you??? The koshi fanclub or something??


Yeah, babes, I love it!
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July 27 2019 14:59 GMT
#1007
Can someone explain to me how this new guy who has never played a game knows these things:

On July 27 2019 19:12 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 19:08 Koshi wrote:
I am still ok with dieing.

I think HF could be mafia at this point.

Did nothing but focus on some dumb shit that would not be a townie priority.

So those 4 names I said. I am happy with them.

I didnt know eywa announced this afk stuff though. But still. Too long. Deserves to go down in list.

Maybe I should reread mz but Vivax told me he was town.


Hi koshi.
Lets talk about HF. What makes you scum read him? Im still undecided on his alignment

On July 27 2019 19:25 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure hf is mafia just skating by. You saw the waterfall on words in his argumebt with me? You saw something like that solving this game? Nope...

And he was too diplomatic and clean in the end. Trying to shade me a bit with the Alakasam fanclub and shit.

Oh well. It worked.
Good on him

It's a possibility. I don't know his meta as well as you do.

One thing that HF is fond of saying is kill people who talk and contribute as mafia.
Vivax NK is decidedly not that
.

On July 27 2019 22:23 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 21:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Its not going after the lowest hanging fruit if its someone with zero votes on them when Slam, for example, has 4 votes on him.

There aren't many people playing who haven't been called suspicious a few times.

You could say the same thing if we went after:

Alakaslam
holyflare
Eywa
Pandain
Chezinu
MZ
Even counting yourself if you count all the people that called coag suspicious

saying 5 people called koshi suspicious in 48 pages of content is literally saying nothing at all.

Every response you post whataboutism and deflections. Every. Single. Response.
Could not be more guilty.

At this point you mifght aswell post a seal and close the door on your way out.


This guy is almost certainly lying and is a smurf.


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#1009
On July 27 2019 23:59 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone explain to me how this new guy who has never played a game knows these things:

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 19:12 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 19:08 Koshi wrote:
I am still ok with dieing.

I think HF could be mafia at this point.

Did nothing but focus on some dumb shit that would not be a townie priority.

So those 4 names I said. I am happy with them.

I didnt know eywa announced this afk stuff though. But still. Too long. Deserves to go down in list.

Maybe I should reread mz but Vivax told me he was town.


Hi koshi.
Lets talk about HF. What makes you scum read him? Im still undecided on his alignment

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 19:25 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure hf is mafia just skating by. You saw the waterfall on words in his argumebt with me? You saw something like that solving this game? Nope...

And he was too diplomatic and clean in the end. Trying to shade me a bit with the Alakasam fanclub and shit.

Oh well. It worked.
Good on him

It's a possibility. I don't know his meta as well as you do.

One thing that HF is fond of saying is kill people who talk and contribute as mafia.
Vivax NK is decidedly not that
.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 22:23 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 21:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Its not going after the lowest hanging fruit if its someone with zero votes on them when Slam, for example, has 4 votes on him.

There aren't many people playing who haven't been called suspicious a few times.

You could say the same thing if we went after:

Alakaslam
holyflare
Eywa
Pandain
Chezinu
MZ
Even counting yourself if you count all the people that called coag suspicious

saying 5 people called koshi suspicious in 48 pages of content is literally saying nothing at all.

Every response you post whataboutism and deflections. Every. Single. Response.
Could not be more guilty.

At this point you mifght aswell post a seal and close the door on your way out.


This guy is almost certainly lying and is a smurf.




Nah nvm I've looked at his post history and he's obsed a few and looked like he was around way back when at the bygone tl mafia days but just never played.
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July 27 2019 15:10 GMT
#1011
you just arbitrarily throw me in every mafia list every game in the hopes you're right one day koshi, it's fine to admit

also Eywa is a he I'm pretty sure:

On July 09 2019 01:11 Eywa- wrote:
He

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#1017
I don't really care bugs, you can push Koshi all you want for content but that's not particularly how you read Koshi. It's more of a tone thing and what he seems to care about, which is people being stupid and doing stupid things in his world view of alignments.

I am going to vote Chezinu because even though I haven't read his filter he is very very bland and hasn't done anything productive or sneaky in any way whatsoever and is just surviving.

##vote chezinu
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July 27 2019 15:16 GMT
#1019
A Chezinu lynch gets rid of a giant question mark who always just plays for himself rather than actually helping which people somehow find endearing but I don't really understand it nor agree with it. That enables the night kills to play out and give us a better view of if someone in the vets is actually mafia because they are then forced to shoot into me/koshi/bugs etc and we can see what happens from there.
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July 27 2019 15:17 GMT
#1022
I'll make logic great again.
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July 27 2019 15:18 GMT
#1023
On July 26 2019 12:11 Eversince wrote:
I will say though I reallly liked your point about FF t!rayn read but not evven bothering to try to save him by moving his vote though if I'm remembreing EoD though. Rayn was so obvious town he soft crumbed stupid early with the Eywa fight my gosh :/..


Please explain what this means.
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July 27 2019 15:20 GMT
#1026
Anyone not lynching chezinu may as well claim mafia now.

My next goal will be to go through the rayn defenders d1 at some point. Starting with that weird as fuck eversince post that probably came from info in the mafia QT.
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July 27 2019 15:22 GMT
#1028
FAQ:
Barring any inactivity modkills, mafia will get two night kills on night 3.


disgusting
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July 27 2019 15:25 GMT
#1030
On July 28 2019 00:23 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone not lynching chezinu may as well claim mafia now.

My next goal will be to go through the rayn defenders d1 at some point. Starting with that weird as fuck eversince post that probably came from info in the mafia QT.


...???

Didn’t eversince replace AFTER rayn died?

HF I actually don’t understand anything you are posting anymore. I agree that Chezinu hasn’t done anything and that he’s not a bad lynch. But why now...???

And why have you switched off killing slam, who fits your description of rayn defender to a T? It’s like you’ve magically forgotten that he’s one of the top contenders for a lynch and has a bunch of votes on him.

Like starting a new wagon at this point is a good way to ensure we die instead of scum.

-wherebugsgo


I really just don't care.

You lynch Chezinu today, we win tomorrow and it's fine. This post is just you whining about survival while simultaneously saying Chezinu is a good lynch. Pick an argument and stick to it, Bugs.


The Eversince point is exactly what I mean. She know something about a rayn soft claim with Eywa after the fact and I want her to explain what she means.
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July 27 2019 15:31 GMT
#1031
On July 28 2019 00:23 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone not lynching chezinu may as well claim mafia now.

My next goal will be to go through the rayn defenders d1 at some point. Starting with that weird as fuck eversince post that probably came from info in the mafia QT.


...???

Didn’t eversince replace AFTER rayn died?

HF I actually don’t understand anything you are posting anymore. I agree that Chezinu hasn’t done anything and that he’s not a bad lynch. But why now...???

And why have you switched off killing slam, who fits your description of rayn defender to a T? It’s like you’ve magically forgotten that he’s one of the top contenders for a lynch and has a bunch of votes on him.

Like starting a new wagon at this point is a good way to ensure we die instead of scum.

-wherebugsgo


This is such a facetious argument even that I think it makes you quite likely mafia.

Not only are you at 3 votes and not the current vote leader (Slam is) but you also say that Chezinu is scummy. There's like 5 hours or so to a lynch and if you vote Chezinu he will be tied leader. Then everyone in this entire game has to afk for the remaining 5 hours for you to die even though I am about to campaign for this lynch ON SOMEONE YOU THINK COULD BE MAFIA and should be the easiest lynch in the world since absolutely nobody in this game can possibly defend Chezinu in any way to stop him being lynched.

All you care about is not lynching mafia and maintaining slam in a vote lead but you say you want to lynch mafia which is a lie.
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July 27 2019 15:31 GMT
#1032
And clearly the answer to why now is because I'm in the thread and have chosen my next candidate to die?
Holyflare
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July 27 2019 15:32 GMT
#1033
Lynching Chezinu gives us a shit tonne of info for tomorrow just trust me
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July 27 2019 15:41 GMT
#1036
Grow a pair and put yourself ina dangerous situation for the good of the town endgame and stop whining.

Vote chezinu.
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July 27 2019 15:48 GMT
#1038
Bugs and chezinu are mafia together then :D
Holyflare
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July 27 2019 15:50 GMT
#1039
Imagine saying you won't vote Chezinu because Holyflare (who you town read) hasn't read him even though you independently say Chezinu is a good vote.
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July 27 2019 15:51 GMT
#1040
May actually vote bugs here instead.
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July 27 2019 15:51 GMT
#1041
Nah Chezinu still most information lynch stay strong.
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July 27 2019 15:56 GMT
#1044
Doesn't matter, if you don't vote chezinu I will kill you myself. The eversince thing really isn't very hard to figure out if you read her and my post.
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July 27 2019 16:22 GMT
#1050
On July 28 2019 01:12 Tubesock wrote:
It really is fun to watch HF work.

I'll go to Chez if the Hydra loses the lead.


The hydra just voted themselves to be lynched by voting chezinu. Unless Jock is a mastermind at thread sentiment and knows chez will get more votes soon because I'm making a push then he just voted to kill their slot.

I think it's time you better reevaluate.
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July 27 2019 18:24 GMT
#1082
On July 28 2019 03:22 Eversince wrote:
No, but Rayn speculating teams including himself seemed half into D1, from my perspective, he's crumbing mason. Since he thinks Eywa is probably town here anyway and he knows he is town so why would he run himself as m!Rayn here when people are putting pressure on him?
Now like I said my opinion is bias here because I already know he's a mason because I join from flip.


Who do you think is mafia and for what reasons?
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July 27 2019 18:53 GMT
#1094
He's not wrong koshi why did you say they were unwilling to vote chez with votes already on him?
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July 27 2019 18:59 GMT
#1104
On July 28 2019 03:56 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 03:54 Koshi wrote:
On July 28 2019 03:53 Holyflare wrote:
He's not wrong koshi why did you say they were unwilling to vote chez with votes already on him?

I doubt that ever happened.

Ahh what. Who is they?

On July 28 2019 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Pandain and Hydra unwilling to lynch Chezinu. Doesnt make chezinu anything but it is curious.

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July 27 2019 19:34 GMT
#1142
Don't really know why you'd stop lynching Chez to vote Koshi. Seems dumb.
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July 27 2019 19:36 GMT
#1146
On July 28 2019 04:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
No pandain I think we lynch chez because he's mafia, get all the poe info we can from today and we deny people credit for being on chez when he flips red.
Its lose/lose for mafia.


Don't you guys think Koshi is mafia though?
Holyflare
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July 27 2019 19:41 GMT
#1150
If Chez is mafia I reckon Pandain is with him. Didn't like the past few pages at all. It's not particularly scummy to have no scum reads and sheeping Slam, who cares if he did? He said he was playing well and gave his vote to slam (but didn't even do that anyway?) but why is that scummy?

Seems to hop from one point to the next and everything is already with the conclusion Koshi is mafia rather than with an open mind.
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July 27 2019 19:42 GMT
#1153
On July 28 2019 04:41 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 04:36 Holyflare wrote:
On July 28 2019 04:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
No pandain I think we lynch chez because he's mafia, get all the poe info we can from today and we deny people credit for being on chez when he flips red.
Its lose/lose for mafia.


Don't you guys think Koshi is mafia though?


Yeah but as it is we're already lynching mafia so what's the point in switching?
If koshi dies then good. He's being a pain in the ass as well as acting very scummy. If chez dies then also good because he's mafia.
With the wagons the way they are there just isn't any point in switching from one scum to another and tying things up.

-J


That's a very assured 100% both are mafia world you're living in. Why was Koshi the first to switch to chez after me?
Holyflare
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July 27 2019 19:50 GMT
#1171
Very interested to hear Koshi's answer and hope it's a legit answer and not some deflection.

Please.
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July 27 2019 19:55 GMT
#1181
Koshi the Vanilla Townie, Killed Night One
On March 05 2019 20:09 Koshi wrote:
And if anybody asks.
I sheep marv because I love him and because I felt the coolness and awesomeness when he entered the thread.

I wont be posting much more till d4 or d5.

I have enough filter to make a correct call. But I agree that playing townie for 8ish hours is in my mafia range.



Koshi Mafia Survived


On June 30 2018 04:55 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi can technically be mafia too, after i switched to TT Koshi came in and "betrayed me". I can't be sure if that would have been the case with his Calix vote too as i don't find it too unlike he could have voted for his scumbuddy just to "re-evaluate later" since no reason given other than sheep rayn. I am not entirely sure if i believe Koshi "doesn't read anything just sheep rayn" but some point he then comes in and suddenly is interested in what's going on. 50/50 imo.

Koshi, do something. This is actually bad.

Not sure what is bad but I will tell what happened:
- Sheep rayn because why not.
- Come in from time to time and read last 2 pages. Or 3 or 5 depending on time.
- Can't be bothered to read deeply into wall of texts because I dont find mafia in those. My brain doesnt absorb that.
- I think I chain filter dived. First you or somebody else then vivax, then HF and then TT.
- Found TT filter okish.
- Filter dived Shockey and decided to vote him because I can.

The end.


Survived Day 4: Koshi (Vanilla)


On June 17 2018 03:17 Koshi wrote:
Man... 2018 will be the year I just sheep rayn till he dies. If only he did that for me in 2017. 6 more months.


On June 15 2018 15:29 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I am just going to sheep rayn and vote HF most likely. I'll think about it.

I will post more in my lunch break.



Just the last 3 games with the word set to content "sheep" and it already shows Koshi is easily able to just defer his vote to someone else and sheep them?
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July 27 2019 19:58 GMT
#1188
On July 28 2019 04:58 Branch.AUT wrote:
##Unvote
##vote: Chezinu


Interesting.
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July 27 2019 20:00 GMT
#1196
On July 28 2019 04:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 04:58 Holyflare wrote:
On July 28 2019 04:58 Branch.AUT wrote:
##Unvote
##vote: Chezinu


Interesting.

Not really.


Dude has you as suspicious and hasn't said a word about Chez and ninja votes him right at deadline. Very suspicious imo.
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July 27 2019 20:04 GMT
#1209
Oh :D
Holyflare
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July 27 2019 20:05 GMT
#1211
Can the other mason claim now so that we can lynch them tomorrow?
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July 27 2019 20:06 GMT
#1216
On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town


Can you explain why you have expressed that you find Koshi suspicious and want to vote for the hydra but instead of making the wagon on Koshi basically the same size as the Chezinu one you joined BOTH your scum read and suspicious Koshi to make Chezinu more in the lead?
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July 27 2019 20:07 GMT
#1217
Parity cop didn't vote to save himself, it's his own fault.
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July 27 2019 20:09 GMT
#1222
On July 28 2019 05:09 Pandain wrote:
In retrospect now it makes sense why Chez was absolutely useless. he was trying to not get shot


I don't think he's ever at risk of being shot.
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July 27 2019 20:10 GMT
#1224
Well my plan is also kind of over soooooo whoops
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July 27 2019 20:25 GMT
#1235
On July 28 2019 05:19 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town


Can you explain why you have expressed that you find Koshi suspicious and want to vote for the hydra but instead of making the wagon on Koshi basically the same size as the Chezinu one you joined BOTH your scum read and suspicious Koshi to make Chezinu more in the lead?

The hydra is my scum read. If you want to know why check my filter, it's the main thing there.

Koshis behaviour is suspicious because of poor reasoning and my perception of him sowing distrust in thread, and escalating emotionally. He flips around between sheeping slam and providing reads only after admitting he doesn't read the thread. This is suspicious but not lynch worthy.

I voted Chezinu mainly because he had the highest votecount when I managed to get to a computer, and had not finished catching up on the thread prior to deadline.



You misunderstand, I KNOW the hydra is your scum read and I KNOW that you find Koshi suspicious.

I'm asking why you look at a vote count, see the highest wagon is Chezinu that contains your scum read (the hydra) and Koshi (who you find suspicious) and instead of voting the second highest wagon, the guy you think is suspicious (Koshi) you simply vote the highest wagon that contains both your scum read, the hydra, and your suspicious player KoshI???
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July 27 2019 22:47 GMT
#1248
Holyflare
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July 28 2019 14:41 GMT
#1258
On July 28 2019 22:36 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote:
On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town


???

With 0 information available on chezinu, and 11 players out of which 3 are mafia, a blind lynch into inactive has an 8/11 chance of being a town lynch.


It's not a blind random lynch into an inactive though is it? If you've narrowed down players that you think are town the odds of him being mafia increase. He wasn't classified as super inactive either, he had posted things in the thread just none of it content (which, again, increases the odds of him being mafia).
Holyflare
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July 28 2019 14:50 GMT
#1260
What if I told you I was rayn's partner but had to afk and didn't save him?
Holyflare
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July 28 2019 14:51 GMT
#1261
Don't think I agree with any of your scum reads and I'm packing my house to move this week so mafia should probably leave me alive anyway because I'm no use.
Holyflare
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July 28 2019 14:54 GMT
#1262
The d1 rayn lynch was really bad.
Holyflare
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July 28 2019 23:13 GMT
#1279
My case:

Bugs has been more concerned finding a mason the entire game than actually playing mafia.

Vote please.
Holyflare
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July 28 2019 23:59 GMT
#1281
Unfortunately it's not wrong. All bugs does is talk about masons and mason finding, repeating list posts and essentially treating me as confirmed town the entire game even though I've basically done not much still and haven't even died n2 with no medics. Not even a question in his mind.

That is because he is in charge of the night kills, you can tell because they are really weird ones. The vivax nk that nobody even bats an eye to is repeatedly said to be because mafia is bad at hunting for the obvious mason but nobody even gives a shit because finding a mason is dumb and nobody even thought about vivax being one but I can almost guarantee I know which posts made you kill him.

I don't even think you two talk as a hydra. I reckon you have like a convo going where you say to each other ah yeah we're reading this guy this now, better stick to that. I don't think he'd outsource his vote solely to you if he was town last lynch either.

His reads don't look very natural. Eywa is more mafia because he was afk excused?? Slam was certainly mafia at one point but seems like an afterthought after I dropped him. You guys are probably partnered with him. Koshi read? That he was flailing or some shit? Meh.

Really boring. Pandain at deadline didn't look natural questioning koshi at all and that went straight to a town read. Mz read? Straight out of thin air town read.

Just mafia my dudes.
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July 29 2019 08:22 GMT
#1300
On July 29 2019 13:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.

Straight up.

I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.

Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.

Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die

Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop

I’m straight up hacker scum yo.


Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia?

People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players.

People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas.

So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact.

You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads.

Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read!
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July 29 2019 12:12 GMT
#1305
It was probably the worst post I've seen in the game. I agree.
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July 29 2019 13:54 GMT
#1308
On July 28 2019 05:10 Holyflare wrote:
Well my plan is also kind of over soooooo whoops

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July 29 2019 13:56 GMT
#1311
I'm sure there is a lot to be learnt from looking at who voted with their scum reads to lynch chez over their proper scum reads or whatever but I'm not the man to do it currently. Far more important things to do.

The hydra is the worst though. Imagine blaming me for lynching chezinu (bugs did) but their hydra partner was the one who joined the wagon too.
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July 29 2019 13:57 GMT
#1312
On July 29 2019 22:56 NoSmurfHere wrote:
HF + Branch

What information has town gained from the tubesock night kill?

-J


That you're mafia because all that you and bugs truly care about is tubesock night kill when you're dying.
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July 29 2019 13:59 GMT
#1316
Not a single person in this game has accused me of being properly mafia when there is a tubesock AND a vivax night kill. Why is that? It's because the other people who are likely to be these night kills (koshi, bugs) etc don't want to bring attention to that fact and point themselves out.
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July 29 2019 14:00 GMT
#1317
On July 29 2019 22:59 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 22:57 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 22:56 NoSmurfHere wrote:
HF + Branch

What information has town gained from the tubesock night kill?

-J


That you're mafia because all that you and bugs truly care about is tubesock night kill when you're dying.


I was hoping I could get you specifically to answer that.

We all know this kind of night kill is WIFOM.

Only mafia with massive ego would be so attached to that stupid plan that they would come out and say it in the thread lol


I don't even understand what this post says but there is not a chance on this planet I ever kill vivax and then tubesock.
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July 29 2019 14:01 GMT
#1319
Jock where are you and bugs communicating?
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July 29 2019 14:03 GMT
#1321
On July 29 2019 23:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 22:59 Holyflare wrote:
Not a single person in this game has accused me of being properly mafia when there is a tubesock AND a vivax night kill. Why is that? It's because the other people who are likely to be these night kills (koshi, bugs) etc don't want to bring attention to that fact and point themselves out.


If we wanted to hide as mafia do you really think we'd NK someone who has ONLY scumread us the entire game?

Don't be a moron. It was a stupid mafia plan with no foresight and you can't admit it.

-J


You got me, that really sounds similar to my mafia play !

I don't even understand what this mafia plan you're talking about is? That I kill tubesock and blame you as my plan? Is that it?
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July 29 2019 14:03 GMT
#1322
On July 29 2019 23:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
Jock where are you and bugs communicating?


We have our own QT

-J


Please paraphrase every post in it from start to finish and the days they were posted.
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July 29 2019 14:06 GMT
#1325
On July 29 2019 23:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 23:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 23:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 29 2019 22:59 Holyflare wrote:
Not a single person in this game has accused me of being properly mafia when there is a tubesock AND a vivax night kill. Why is that? It's because the other people who are likely to be these night kills (koshi, bugs) etc don't want to bring attention to that fact and point themselves out.


If we wanted to hide as mafia do you really think we'd NK someone who has ONLY scumread us the entire game?

Don't be a moron. It was a stupid mafia plan with no foresight and you can't admit it.

-J


You got me, that really sounds similar to my mafia play !

I don't even understand what this mafia plan you're talking about is? That I kill tubesock and blame you as my plan? Is that it?


Yeah basically.

It should be absolutely clear that you can't infer anything useful from that night kill. Especially not to call a single player mafia off the back of it.

Either you are a terrible player and you don't know that or you can't admit to yourself that it was a stupid plan in the first place.

I know which I would say is more likely.


No, it's not absolutely clear but I never even said you were mafia because of tubesock night kill did I? Reread my accusations again and maybe come up with something substantial that's good.
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July 29 2019 14:06 GMT
#1326
On July 29 2019 23:05 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 23:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 23:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 29 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
Jock where are you and bugs communicating?


We have our own QT

-J


Please paraphrase every post in it from start to finish and the days they were posted.


There are currently 90 posts you really want me to do that its gonna take me ages

-J


Absolutely. Every single one.
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July 29 2019 14:06 GMT
#1327
It really shouldn't take long to summarise 90 posts. Maybe 10 minutes. Unless you have to fabricate them.
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July 29 2019 14:08 GMT
#1328
On July 29 2019 22:45 Branch.AUT wrote:
FFs list does not even mention me. Simply MUST be scum

(The above is a joke)

I see HF pushing Hydra (my scumread) as one of two things:

HF town agreeing with my read, and pushing the hydra.

HF scum pushing out an inactive veteran, which is just what he would do.

Eywa- how do you read HF this game?
FecalFeast what is your opinion on HF?


You know that the hydra has the most posts in the game right now or at least close right?

I don't agree with your read, I don't think that one very specific post you pointed out makes them mafia but I suppose independently coming to the same read means we share the read, yes.
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July 29 2019 14:11 GMT
#1330
Still expect the rest but I'll probably vote someone else I guess.
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July 29 2019 14:29 GMT
#1333
On July 29 2019 23:21 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 22:45 Branch.AUT wrote:
FFs list does not even mention me. Simply MUST be scum

(The above is a joke)

I see HF pushing Hydra (my scumread) as one of two things:

HF town agreeing with my read, and pushing the hydra.

HF scum pushing out an inactive veteran, which is just what he would do.

Eywa- how do you read HF this game?
FecalFeast what is your opinion on HF?


You know that the hydra has the most posts in the game right now or at least close right?

I don't agree with your read, I don't think that one very specific post you pointed out makes them mafia but I suppose independently coming to the same read means we share the read, yes.


It'd be more surprising if they didn't, having four hands and two active time zones makes it easy.
Why is # of posts important though? Spamming out posts is really easy, just look at slam or koshi...

Their reaction to me pointing to this post is far more telling. Especially the part where they ignore my argument and pull unrelated information for their defense is extremely scum to me


Number of posts is important because in the post I quoted you say one situation is that I'm pushing an inactive veteran which they most certainly are not?

I don't really believe they're mafia after Jock is posting this qt summary.

I do expect him to finish though.
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July 29 2019 14:31 GMT
#1334
Honestly I think I could vote ff for the list post with eywa.
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July 29 2019 14:32 GMT
#1335
It's SO lazy that it's pointless but why even bother trying to make it in the first place if you don't care enough to read half the people other than to justify voting somewhere?
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July 29 2019 15:07 GMT
#1342
On July 29 2019 23:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 23:29 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 23:21 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 29 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 22:45 Branch.AUT wrote:
FFs list does not even mention me. Simply MUST be scum

(The above is a joke)

I see HF pushing Hydra (my scumread) as one of two things:

HF town agreeing with my read, and pushing the hydra.

HF scum pushing out an inactive veteran, which is just what he would do.

Eywa- how do you read HF this game?
FecalFeast what is your opinion on HF?


You know that the hydra has the most posts in the game right now or at least close right?

I don't agree with your read, I don't think that one very specific post you pointed out makes them mafia but I suppose independently coming to the same read means we share the read, yes.


It'd be more surprising if they didn't, having four hands and two active time zones makes it easy.
Why is # of posts important though? Spamming out posts is really easy, just look at slam or koshi...

Their reaction to me pointing to this post is far more telling. Especially the part where they ignore my argument and pull unrelated information for their defense is extremely scum to me


Number of posts is important because in the post I quoted you say one situation is that I'm pushing an inactive veteran which they most certainly are not?

I don't really believe they're mafia after Jock is posting this qt summary.

I do expect him to finish though.


WBG, the veteran head announced he would be travelling and inactive. Rephrasing inactive to afk would be correct.



That's only half of them though and Jock never said he'd be afk but it's whatever, I'm not going to lynch them.
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July 29 2019 15:10 GMT
#1344
I really can't bring myself to read anyone lol
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#1345
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.
Holyflare
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July 29 2019 15:56 GMT
#1348
Ah, yes, the old scum read my teammate and force a lynch onto him so that he can vote me back based on some really bad Tubesock death argument we can get him to post that pre-planned QT post that effectively summarises every post he's made this game.

Such foresight we have, so deliberate and planned.

Why is everything such a stretch of the imagination to get to for you? Why isn't it the much more simple answer, that it is truthful and what happened rather than an elaborate plan? It's looking more and more like you trying to fabricate a read than it is anything else at this point.

If you want to stop scum reading the hydra, which you should, who do you think mafia would be?
Holyflare
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July 29 2019 17:05 GMT
#1353
On July 30 2019 02:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 13:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.

Straight up.

I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.

Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.

Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die

Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop

I’m straight up hacker scum yo.


Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia?

People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players.

People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas.

So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact.

You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads.

Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read!

And I am afraid this is wrong, not entirely wrong I learned from it but there are false claims in here.

It IS about social sway once enough players make it that way.

But you’re right, I sucked at realizing how I knew Rayn was town besides meta.

I now know I should have said: Rayn is dealing with emotion. Rayn cares deeply about this game because it is one of his more stimulating pastimes. As Eywa is not reacting to his second language struggles in a sensible manner, Rayn has realized Eywa cannot be convinced otherwise and is raging about that as it is his only option. His narrow focus on Eywa has caused him to forget the other players in the game for the sake of his emotions. Therefore, he is disregarding them which is causing them, through lack of realization of what he is thinking, to think he is caught mafia.

Therefore, all their conclusions are shit

I couldn’t think of that at the time.


How do people GET social sway, Slam? By being consistently wrong and unconvincing and never making sense or what?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 18:11 GMT
#1376
I just wanted to fake claim parity cop and die lol :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 18:12 GMT
#1380
I also lowkey wanted to see the night kill if I didn't die and killing tubesock was something I'd heavily expect bugs to do, especially after Vivax n1. But that's also a massive Koshi thing to do too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:09 GMT
#1434
Man I read Eversince's filter and it's like the most coherent I've ever seen her and I agree with everything she says but it all largely seems reactionary and I feel bad but I kind of scum read her for all of the above? But also not really.

This post says nothing, carry on.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:11 GMT
#1435
I also don't hate MZ's filter lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:13 GMT
#1436
5) Fecalfeast
6) Eywa
7) Pandain
8) Coagulation Replaced by Branch.AUT Day 2.
11) Koshi

I'm narrowing you guys down.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:17 GMT
#1439
On July 30 2019 05:14 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 05:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Branch who's your top scum read right now?

-J

I am going through low activity people at the moment. Don't have a good scumread but these are my thoughts.

Im cautious about HF because of the weight he carries in thread.

Fecalfeasts opinions seem to line up with mine a lot, but his filter is filled with garbage posts.

Who are yours?


What does this mean? Can't you just judge my posts based on if you agree or disagree with them? You always seem to make every post talking about me some 50/50 option you defer to other people to answer for you.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:18 GMT
#1440
Branch can you make me a small list of players and write a line about each one summarising what you think their alignment is and why?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:30 GMT
#1445
On July 27 2019 19:25 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure hf is mafia just skating by. You saw the waterfall on words in his argumebt with me? You saw something like that solving this game? Nope...

And he was too diplomatic and clean in the end. Trying to shade me a bit with the Alakasam fanclub and shit.

Oh well. It worked.
Good on him

It's a possibility. I don't know his meta as well as you do.

One thing that HF is fond of saying is kill people who talk and contribute as mafia.
Vivax NK is decidedly not that.


Can you explain to me how you know this? I don't think I've ever seen you obs a game I'm in or anything.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:31 GMT
#1447
On July 30 2019 05:29 Alakaslam wrote:
I’m gonna Vote Koshi.


You already are?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:39 GMT
#1449
Very interested in the Branch read list. The entire filter feels like a robot is playing the game instead and there's some summaries that don't align with the voracity of other pushes he's been doing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 21:14 GMT
#1454
On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town


1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything:

On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.

On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.


Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.

On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.


What's changed here?


2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread?

5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on?


11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then?

14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 21:56 GMT
#1464
On July 30 2019 06:47 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town


1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything:

On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.

On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.


Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.

On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.


What's changed here?


2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread?

5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on?


11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then?

14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing?

I decided to treat you as town and thereby by extension the hydra too.

FF may have the similar reads, but lacking reason and explanations. Also way to many posts unrelated to the gane. Could be trying to pass unnoticed behind spam. Suspicious

Koshi is old read. Also hasnt done much im aware of since then. I was busy elsewhere leading up to the lynch. No time for proper decision so i piles onto highes wagon. Probably going to reread before deciding to vote.

Eversince provides her opionon and reason when accusing people. This seems more productive than calling people scum. Therefore Im leaning towards town. Im unsure if I understood your qurstion correctly. Please rephrase if i didnt.


But why does what I say about the hydra matter when:

You have your own opinion on what the hydra QT posts meant originally.

You have a conclusive reason yesterday for them to be lock mafia that you didn't think to reconsider about.

You only just town read me for town reading the hydra and that's pretty much it?

It seems pretty weird to me that you'd sacrifice the first two points just because I looked like I was town confirming someone?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 07:26 GMT
#1517
On July 30 2019 10:45 Fecalfeast wrote:
I will save my thoughts on that for post-game


It was totally paraphrased and summarised which is perfectly legal and always has been. No need to be salty because it eliminated a lynch for you :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 07:32 GMT
#1518
On July 30 2019 07:29 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 06:56 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 06:47 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town


1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything:

On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.

On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.


Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.

On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.


What's changed here?


2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread?

5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on?


11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then?

14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing?

I decided to treat you as town and thereby by extension the hydra too.

FF may have the similar reads, but lacking reason and explanations. Also way to many posts unrelated to the gane. Could be trying to pass unnoticed behind spam. Suspicious

Koshi is old read. Also hasnt done much im aware of since then. I was busy elsewhere leading up to the lynch. No time for proper decision so i piles onto highes wagon. Probably going to reread before deciding to vote.

Eversince provides her opionon and reason when accusing people. This seems more productive than calling people scum. Therefore Im leaning towards town. Im unsure if I understood your qurstion correctly. Please rephrase if i didnt.


But why does what I say about the hydra matter when:

You have your own opinion on what the hydra QT posts meant originally.

You have a conclusive reason yesterday for them to be lock mafia that you didn't think to reconsider about.

You only just town read me for town reading the hydra and that's pretty much it?

It seems pretty weird to me that you'd sacrifice the first two points just because I looked like I was town confirming someone?

We can talk more to solve this tomorrow. I am too tired to reason.


Please respond to this when you come back.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 09:45 GMT
#1529
If you think I'm anything but town now, Pandain, I don't know what to tell you. I've already explained I was trying to make a parity cop play.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 09:52 GMT
#1533
On July 30 2019 18:49 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
If you think I'm anything but town now, Pandain, I don't know what to tell you. I've already explained I was trying to make a parity cop play.


Your play is townie and I'm nowhere near lynching you, but after what happened with Rayn last game I'm giving anyone with a lot of experience a more reserved judgment before any "definitely townie" reads.

I don't get it. So if Chezinu was town you would ...what?


Well:

A) I didn't think he was town

B) Even if he was I'd pretend to be parity and get shot letting our actual parity get off a check

C) If I didn't get shot I'd know mafia was full of baddies

D) If I didn't get shot and someone else that wasn't a lead vet got shot after I basically claimed parity then I would of rampaged on bugs/koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 09:53 GMT
#1534
I'd never full claim it at that point but I bet I left enough hints for mafia to at least know it was obvious. We'll see post game if that worked or not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 09:56 GMT
#1536
On July 30 2019 18:55 Pandain wrote:
Did you start to leave any hints?


Why do you think we're having this whole conversation?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 10:02 GMT
#1539
Why not mz?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 10:03 GMT
#1540
He essentially copied every post I made :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 11:01 GMT
#1543
Dunno think ff probably best vote today but I won't be sad if Koshi dies after he's essentially told us his itinerary and nothing else.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 14:39 GMT
#1583
On July 30 2019 22:50 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 18:52 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 18:49 Pandain wrote:
On July 30 2019 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
If you think I'm anything but town now, Pandain, I don't know what to tell you. I've already explained I was trying to make a parity cop play.


Your play is townie and I'm nowhere near lynching you, but after what happened with Rayn last game I'm giving anyone with a lot of experience a more reserved judgment before any "definitely townie" reads.

I don't get it. So if Chezinu was town you would ...what?


Well:

A) I didn't think he was town

B) Even if he was I'd pretend to be parity and get shot letting our actual parity get off a check

C) If I didn't get shot I'd know mafia was full of baddies

D) If I didn't get shot and someone else that wasn't a lead vet got shot after I basically claimed parity then I would of rampaged on bugs/koshi


Don’t ever try this again.

Seriously, if you’re town this plan is selfish as fuck and awful to boot.

From the poor townie PC perspective they have no idea whether you’re mafia trying to bait a claim or whether you’re a townie fake claiming. Ordinarily you could apply the logic that no scum would ever trade 1 for 1 in that situation, but it isn’t true here because:

1. A veteran scum player trading 1 for 1 for the real parity cop is actually a solid play there. The PC, if they believe you are scum, has a strong chance of counterclaiming before day 3 which allows scum to shoot on n2, because in the moment they will think you are the best lynch. This is especially true for someone like me where I will be wondering why the fuck you hijacked a lynch of Koshi to kill an afk vanilla townie.

2. You should have already known mafia were full of baddies when they fucked up the mason hunt on n1. Anyone who was reading the game should have known that tube was rayn’s partner essentially within minutes of his flip by reading the vote count & who sheeped rayn and said they’d tunnel us forever for no reason at all (hint: TUBE)

3. Your last statement proves that scum kills (except when shooting confirmed townies) don’t really matter all that much.

I think the Vivax kill was bad because there was a confirmed town after day 1. Otherwise, any kill would have been fine, because people read all sorts of weird shit into scum kills, as proven by the fact that people tried to read into the tube shot anything other than “oh, they figured out tube is the mason, finally”

If you’re town I seriously implore you to stop trying to pull plays like this. They don’t win games, and they make it harder for your teammates. Maybe they sound fun to you but it is decidedly not fun in the moment to try and figure out what the fuck you are doing when it causes so much chaos. This is precious time lost trying to piece things together as proven by the number of times you are being asked to explain yourself.

As scum you are an experienced enough player to do it and use it to your advantage even if you haven’t been brave enough to try it till now.

-wherebugsgo




Lol as if that'd ever stop me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 14:45 GMT
#1584
On July 30 2019 23:24 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:21 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:18 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads.

We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game.
Lynch Eywa

You're right, we shouldn't eliminate our scum reads, nor should we try to expand the town circle for a hard POE, we should fucking wing it by lynching someone we don't understand.

You ARE a scum read. Eliminating you MAKES process of eliminiation easier. I will keep pushing you till you get lynched or start posting meaningful contribution.
Lynch Eywa, lynch scum.


Isn't it very convenient you push koshi as suspicious but when his wagon comes up you decide to take a stance on eywa? Have you read any of the past games he's in and compared it to this one?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 14:46 GMT
#1585
On July 30 2019 23:31 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:14 Eywa- wrote:
I mean, in a game that's this hard to read and this tight, I think it's important to not give passes for anything. Like, we're all pretty much scum reading Branch due to his terrible entrance, but if that was day 1, I bet you all would have forgotten about it. He can't play the card of "Well, everything has been kosher since then".


That’s not why I’m scumreading branch. I’m scumreading branch because he has had a long time to make sense and still doesn’t. All of his pushes are just reasons pulled from thin air and his logic makes no sense (+ he’s ultra-defensive of his pushes right up until he’s not). It’s like he’s making up reads. I actually gave him a pass all of yesterday because he was a replacement.

As for why I don’t scumread MZ, I never saw his entrance on day 1 as bad and I still don’t see anything wrong with his posts. In particular I have no idea how you can think branch and MZ are scum together unless MZ is next-level bussing because MZ was basically the only player who straight up called out branch on his bs yesterday. He tore apart his logic, in a situation where he could have just sat back and watched Chezinu get lynched.

-wherebugsgo


Where does this happen?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 14:58 GMT
#1589
On July 30 2019 23:56 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:24 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:21 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:18 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads.

We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game.
Lynch Eywa

You're right, we shouldn't eliminate our scum reads, nor should we try to expand the town circle for a hard POE, we should fucking wing it by lynching someone we don't understand.

You ARE a scum read. Eliminating you MAKES process of eliminiation easier. I will keep pushing you till you get lynched or start posting meaningful contribution.
Lynch Eywa, lynch scum.


Isn't it very convenient you push koshi as suspicious but when his wagon comes up you decide to take a stance on eywa? Have you read any of the past games he's in and compared it to this one?

No not on purpose.
Have you read Eywas filter, you never responded to my inquiry earlier.


I have not because I already know it's similar to past games although even more explainy this game than last even.

What was your question?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 15:41 GMT
#1596
Don't really understand what you're saying but it looks amazingly like positioning to vote with those 2 other scummy fucks on eywa
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 16:02 GMT
#1604
On July 31 2019 01:00 Eywa- wrote:
I think it's hard for Branch and MZ to be scum together here, so I think FF is always the vote here, we should all get on the same page, I don't think the last bit from Koshi is coming from scum, I think it's just terrible town... Which has been evidenced throughout the game.


Maybe it is just koshi and you after all :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 16:51 GMT
#1606
I mean this whole last page interaction has been pretty bad. Koshi accuses eywa because of ??? Still don't really understand.

Eywa won't accuse koshi even though he's afking into giving a really shit excuse to vote eywa??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 17:41 GMT
#1614
On July 31 2019 02:34 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:24 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:21 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:18 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads.

We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game.
Lynch Eywa

You're right, we shouldn't eliminate our scum reads, nor should we try to expand the town circle for a hard POE, we should fucking wing it by lynching someone we don't understand.

You ARE a scum read. Eliminating you MAKES process of eliminiation easier. I will keep pushing you till you get lynched or start posting meaningful contribution.
Lynch Eywa, lynch scum.


Isn't it very convenient you push koshi as suspicious but when his wagon comes up you decide to take a stance on eywa? Have you read any of the past games he's in and compared it to this one?

Other than lynch parity cop day 2, you haven't done a lot yourself. Where's the activity?
Lynch Eywa, make the last day easier for everyone


Good thing you've written me off as town then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 17:45 GMT
#1616
I asked if you've read any of eywa's past games because they are similar to this one. Why have you not? Your only reason for doing so seems to be what eywa usually does as town so why would I follow it?

Seems to go against everything logical you've been said to be following.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 18:32 GMT
#1659
On July 31 2019 03:13 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:10 Eversince wrote:
@ Branch

Did you miss the multiple times I've listed why I m!Koshi? Miss the whole end of D2 where Pandain/myself pushed for a switch to Koshi over Chezinu? Or are you just trying to cast shadows on me?

I am asking you to reconsider your vote and go for Eywa, who has posted nothing but offhand accusations and useless comments.

If the lynch is between FF and Koshi, theres nothing to be learned. Both have posted too much, and posted too much nonsense.

Eywa postet nothing of substance. There is a huge contrast between either Koshi/FF and Eywa. Making the choice more meaningful for everyone.


Again, if you cannot be bothered to compare the remarkably similar filters of Eywa this game to last game (where he was town) why would we believe he's mafia for doing the same thing this game?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 18:44 GMT
#1671
On July 31 2019 03:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
Koshi the whole world is against us what do we do


You have been largely irrelevant and have wasted away your role to be lynched. How does that feel? That you'd rather defend Koshi whose alignment you know nothing about (allegedly) and can't even explain why he sheeped slam?

I presume you don't scum read the hydra anymore after the QT? That leaves you with eywa, pandain and eversince. Two of those three people would rather lynch you than Koshi. Does that spark any kind of alarm bell or are you more concerned with posturing your faux koshi love?

Why won't branch vote Koshi (remember he loves voting the highest town wagons right?) or you over a guy that people repeatedly say is playing the same as last game.

Why are you voting eywa when he was afk for a pre stated reason? Is that still the same reason you scum read eywa? Why can't you answer eywa's points? I think they were that you said he had a big day 1 but you were also voting eywa then or something too?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 18:47 GMT
#1675
On July 31 2019 03:38 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:13 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:10 Eversince wrote:
@ Branch

Did you miss the multiple times I've listed why I m!Koshi? Miss the whole end of D2 where Pandain/myself pushed for a switch to Koshi over Chezinu? Or are you just trying to cast shadows on me?

I am asking you to reconsider your vote and go for Eywa, who has posted nothing but offhand accusations and useless comments.

If the lynch is between FF and Koshi, theres nothing to be learned. Both have posted too much, and posted too much nonsense.

Eywa postet nothing of substance. There is a huge contrast between either Koshi/FF and Eywa. Making the choice more meaningful for everyone.


Again, if you cannot be bothered to compare the remarkably similar filters of Eywa this game to last game (where he was town) why would we believe he's mafia for doing the same thing this game?

That seems like an uncredibly naive way to think about it.
The first time Eywa rolls scum and keeps playing the same, everybody gives them a free pass. Might be even now. Which is why I'm voting Eywa.

That sounds like a terrible risk to ignore.


No, it doesn't. Nobody plays the same in their first scum game. That doesn't answer my point either, why can't you simply go check? If your whole reason is that he plays badly then that's not a very concrete reason and nobody will follow you on it since you can't be bothered to prove why it's a mafia strategy. To me, he has a read on FF that FF hasn't countered amd nobody has really talked about while you dance around and attack his play style and koshi says some babbling nonsense and afks again.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 19:04 GMT
#1688
On July 31 2019 03:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:44 Holyflare wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
Koshi the whole world is against us what do we do


You have been largely irrelevant and have wasted away your role to be lynched. How does that feel? That you'd rather defend Koshi whose alignment you know nothing about (allegedly) and can't even explain why he sheeped slam?

I presume you don't scum read the hydra anymore after the QT? That leaves you with eywa, pandain and eversince. Two of those three people would rather lynch you than Koshi. Does that spark any kind of alarm bell or are you more concerned with posturing your faux koshi love?

Why won't branch vote Koshi (remember he loves voting the highest town wagons right?) or you over a guy that people repeatedly say is playing the same as last game.

Why are you voting eywa when he was afk for a pre stated reason? Is that still the same reason you scum read eywa? Why can't you answer eywa's points? I think they were that you said he had a big day 1 but you were also voting eywa then or something too?

I'd kill branch for sure like I said. I'm moving my vote off eywa because apparently arrogantly being wrong all game is a town tell according to you all.

I hate how everyone is so against koshi which makes me want to dig in on my townread of him.

I'm like 60/40 on whether I'll vote koshi to self pres btw. 60 on not self preserving.



Why are you FOR Koshi? What has he done this game that is out of his mafia range that he can't fake?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 19:17 GMT
#1691
On July 31 2019 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 04:04 Holyflare wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:44 Holyflare wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
Koshi the whole world is against us what do we do


You have been largely irrelevant and have wasted away your role to be lynched. How does that feel? That you'd rather defend Koshi whose alignment you know nothing about (allegedly) and can't even explain why he sheeped slam?

I presume you don't scum read the hydra anymore after the QT? That leaves you with eywa, pandain and eversince. Two of those three people would rather lynch you than Koshi. Does that spark any kind of alarm bell or are you more concerned with posturing your faux koshi love?

Why won't branch vote Koshi (remember he loves voting the highest town wagons right?) or you over a guy that people repeatedly say is playing the same as last game.

Why are you voting eywa when he was afk for a pre stated reason? Is that still the same reason you scum read eywa? Why can't you answer eywa's points? I think they were that you said he had a big day 1 but you were also voting eywa then or something too?

I'd kill branch for sure like I said. I'm moving my vote off eywa because apparently arrogantly being wrong all game is a town tell according to you all.

I hate how everyone is so against koshi which makes me want to dig in on my townread of him.

I'm like 60/40 on whether I'll vote koshi to self pres btw. 60 on not self preserving.



Why are you FOR Koshi? What has he done this game that is out of his mafia range that he can't fake?

When i think of koshi my brain goes 'town' and I try not to argue with that guy


Compelling...
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 19:22 GMT
#1695
There's been a fuck tonne of words the past few pages but no compelling sentences on why we should lynch anyone's favourite target over anyone else.

Why?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 19:28 GMT
#1698
Well koshi isn't voting ff to save himself so it's whatever at this point really.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 19:30 GMT
#1701
Whole mafia team just casually outing themselves on eywa? :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 19:33 GMT
#1704
On July 31 2019 04:30 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
There's been a fuck tonne of words the past few pages but no compelling sentences on why we should lynch anyone's favourite target over anyone else.

Why?


That’s literally been the theme of this game.

I’m tired of explaining why we want to kill Koshi. You’re not reading so I see no reason why we need to explain things again. You weren’t reading when I was telling you why I think Koshi was a better kill than Chezinu so you getting worked up now is starting to rub me the wrong way

Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:40 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can the people on me at least mention what they'll do when i flip town. Please?
Someone determined that it's not mylo right


Why do you keep asking this instead of doing something actually useful?

You’ve been asking for thread sentiment the whole game (like how you asked how people are reading branch) instead of actually forming your own read or opinions and it’s scummy af

It’s also always somehow really meek when at least some of your pushback when the game was less clear, especially when pushing back against people who were clearly going to die (like rayn) had a much different tone

-wherebugsgo

Holyflare has been doing the same exact thing with me. You never once called him scum. How come?


If you meant this, branch, then I think you aren’t reading properly. I indeed have thought HF was scum at various points in this game and honestly even now his behavior is strange enough that he might be scum here.

However he simply is not the best lynch. There are enough reasons to call him town and not enough to call FF/Koshi town that it makes no sense to discuss him now, 1 hour before lynch, when we are not going to lynch him.

It bothers me that we have 30 minutes to go to deadline and you are trying to distract from the lynch at hand. Why is it important to discuss, at this very moment, my opinion on HF? Are we killing HF? No? Then why??

And this is coming from someone who called us out on supposed whataboutism earlier in the game. You must be scum here.

-wherebugsgo


I mean you're mistaken if you think I'm not seeing the case for Koshi. I'm pretty certain I said I don't care which of the two die and I'd vote for either. I'm just seeing a distinct lack of push in any direction other than branch onto shitty eywa lynch which is strange considering how close the lynches are.

Not really getting worked up about it so go bark up another tree, my friend.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 19:34 GMT
#1706
On July 31 2019 04:32 Koshi wrote:
Fefe is town. Koshi is town.
I probably will vote him if it comes to it but it is jist mafia hf and mafia eywa making sure it is TvT in here lol.


Well done for convincing us Eywa is mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 19:37 GMT
#1717
It's perfectly legal and that is why the rule was enforced in the OP (although missing from this one) that you can only paraphrase and not copy and paste.

I don't think it's a bad thing either way, easy for scum to fake. Masons get asked to do the same thing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 19:55 GMT
#1763
On July 31 2019 04:47 Branch.AUT wrote:
Since we're consolidating Im putting my vote on koshi. Eywa and HF too suspicious to vote with. Hydra youre on the wrong track yet again


THE ONLY REASON YOU THINK THE HYDRA IS TOWN IS BECAUSE YOU ARBITRARILY CONFIRMED ME AS TOWN LOL.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 20:11 GMT
#1798
Boring game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 30 2019 20:21 GMT
#1804
On July 31 2019 04:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
On July 31 2019 04:47 Branch.AUT wrote:
Since we're consolidating Im putting my vote on koshi. Eywa and HF too suspicious to vote with. Hydra youre on the wrong track yet again


THE ONLY REASON YOU THINK THE HYDRA IS TOWN IS BECAUSE YOU ARBITRARILY CONFIRMED ME AS TOWN LOL.

Beind town, don't mean knowing all alignments. That is called being scum.


This doesn't mean anything. This is literally a sentence that doesn't address a single thing I wrote.

The ONLY reason you disregarded your massive scum read on the hydra is because you arbitrarily decided that I'd untangle the mess of the game. That is quite literally what you said, since without that your words were "the qt means nothing". Now you address the hydra like a town read but me like a scum read when I don't think there's anything in between that you've even scum read me for.

Now, when everyone decides to consolidate onto ff you arbitrarily choose the lowest wagon this time (which isn't even consolidating!) after you have expressed your dislike for joining that wagon over and over again all day (I'm pretty sure that is correct).

You are saying you play with logic but throw all logic out the window.

This is a little logic puzzle for you. What alignment is this player?

One liners, little scum reads. Town this game.

One liners, little scum reads. Town this game.

One liners, little scum reads. What alignment is this?

You've arbitrarily decided this one game Eywa could be mafia despite the fact meta states otherwise for absolutely no reason and choose to ignore anything concrete to the contrary. If someone can do these things as town how do they suddenly become your BIGGEST mafia read in the game for doing the exact same things? It doesn't make a single bit of sense.

You avoid everything, you pick and choose arguments and stick to them until you decide to flit to another argument and then you conveniently end up on wagons to blend when push comes to shove. If you simply stuck with eywa it would have been you, koshi, ff and maybe slam could have switched and you got your lynch. You play so meekly while saying your read is strong.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 31 2019 08:45 GMT
#1845
Yeah everyone works and it's impossible to talk to people conversationally. Been like that well over year and totally opposite to how I get reads.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 31 2019 19:57 GMT
#1850
Am i dead yet?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-09 00:19:55
August 09 2019 00:19 GMT
#2448
On August 09 2019 00:16 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2019 22:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Bugs I love you but I think blaming Rayn for the forum losing activity is a little harsh.

I think a lot of us grew up and got jobs and lives and our free time to scroll endlessly through TL disappeared... at least that's what happened in my case. I still enjoy playing and pop in every now and then when I have a stretch of time that will support me reading a thread forna few hours a day.


ye I agree blaming rayn is a lil overhanded.

I say this as someone who said some over the line shit and raged to rayn in like 95% of the games I played, said some really offensive shit to rayn, and avoided playing a game with him for a bit in 2018

I like you both so let’s be friends and lynch each other next game


We should all be blaming this guy instead.

Just play mafia and have fun guys, come on.
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