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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On July 29 2019 23:57 Branch.AUT wrote: WBG, the veteran head announced he would be travelling and inactive. Rephrasing inactive to afk would be correct. That's only half of them though and Jock never said he'd be afk but it's whatever, I'm not going to lynch them. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote: Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. If I was mafia and making it up someone would notice that. -J | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote: Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did. It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way. | ||
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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
On July 30 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote: I really can't bring myself to read anyone lol I recommend MZ his filter is really short | ||
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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote: If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did. It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way. Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Such foresight we have, so deliberate and planned. Why is everything such a stretch of the imagination to get to for you? Why isn't it the much more simple answer, that it is truthful and what happened rather than an elaborate plan? It's looking more and more like you trying to fabricate a read than it is anything else at this point. If you want to stop scum reading the hydra, which you should, who do you think mafia would be? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
On July 29 2019 16:31 NoSmurfHere wrote: I like how everyone keeps conveniently forgetting that rayn decided we were mafia before we even posted anything. I've been defending us from morons and mafia ever since that moment. I'm fucking sick of it now to be honest I'm going to ignore everything the mafia and morons are saying about us and just make the case for koshi dying. If town decides to listen to mafia and kill us then so be it. If town decides that their detective work of figuring out that only we would want to kill tubesock and the mafia could never have realized this and used it is better then town loses. If people are willing to listen to us, to look at day 2 with sensible eyes and see the progression of how that day went from the beginning to the end they will know that we aren't mafia, we've been trying to find mafia this entire time and every time we do people scum read us for it. Koshi was willing to sheep a vote on us even though he thought we were town. When people started joining us on the koshi vote all of a sudden him and hf turn up and completely change the game going for a chez lynch instead, and hf then uses the results of that lynch to push us, even though he inferred heavily that we were town at the end of day 2. We are the patsy for whoever out of koshi/hf are leading the mafia. Koshi was acting incredibly scummy for the whole of day 2. He was blatantly lying about things that happened, misrepresenting facts etc. etc. The case has already been made by myself as well as others. There's no reason not to believe koshi is mafia if you believed that yesterday. If you are changing to believe that we are mafia instead on the basis that tubsesock died, then you are easily manipulated and the worst thing about that is that the mafia knows you are easily manipulated. I'll post again if pandain/eywa/slam/MZ/Branch/ES want to talk about the lynch. Otherwise do what the fuck you want. HF and koshi can do one. -J This jives with my memory. ##Unvote | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
On July 29 2019 16:39 NoSmurfHere wrote: ^^Just yes or no answers please -J Ok. My answer was no, hence I’ll Unvote once I catch up. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
On July 29 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote: Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia? People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players. People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas. So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact. You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads. Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read! Town reads at this time are HF, Eywa, and Eversince but that is soft due to abscence. Null reads atm include the hydra, (I think they have a good point in their defense), Branch.AUT, FF, Koshi, and And I don’t remember who else is in the game. There is that | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
On July 29 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote: Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia? People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players. People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas. So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact. You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads. Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read! And I am afraid this is wrong, not entirely wrong I learned from it but there are false claims in here. It IS about social sway once enough players make it that way. But you’re right, I sucked at realizing how I knew Rayn was town besides meta. I now know I should have said: Rayn is dealing with emotion. Rayn cares deeply about this game because it is one of his more stimulating pastimes. As Eywa is not reacting to his second language struggles in a sensible manner, Rayn has realized Eywa cannot be convinced otherwise and is raging about that as it is his only option. His narrow focus on Eywa has caused him to forget the other players in the game for the sake of his emotions. Therefore, he is disregarding them which is causing them, through lack of realization of what he is thinking, to think he is caught mafia. Therefore, all their conclusions are shit I couldn’t think of that at the time. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On July 30 2019 02:01 Alakaslam wrote: And I am afraid this is wrong, not entirely wrong I learned from it but there are false claims in here. It IS about social sway once enough players make it that way. But you’re right, I sucked at realizing how I knew Rayn was town besides meta. I now know I should have said: Rayn is dealing with emotion. Rayn cares deeply about this game because it is one of his more stimulating pastimes. As Eywa is not reacting to his second language struggles in a sensible manner, Rayn has realized Eywa cannot be convinced otherwise and is raging about that as it is his only option. His narrow focus on Eywa has caused him to forget the other players in the game for the sake of his emotions. Therefore, he is disregarding them which is causing them, through lack of realization of what he is thinking, to think he is caught mafia. Therefore, all their conclusions are shit I couldn’t think of that at the time. How do people GET social sway, Slam? By being consistently wrong and unconvincing and never making sense or what? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
On July 29 2019 23:09 NoSmurfHere wrote: First 10 posts from our QT + Show Spoiler + 1 \Grack This is the QT for the hyda 2\ Jock Thanks grack hi bugs 3\ Jock probably gonna lurk at first 4\ Bugs FIrst thought we rolled scum but turns out we're green yay l be here for moral support and guidance and to occasionally shit on logical fallacies from other players If we end up agreeing independently on a scumread before giving each other our own reasons we can play good cop bad cop 5\ Jock Agrees 6\ Long bugs post on rayn and why he's mafia 7\ Jock - gonna make a spreadhseet - rayn is silly 8\ Basically a copy of the early list post i did that everyone hated with a couple of extra bits that weren't for the thread. 9\ Bugs another set of reads: FF - lean town. Maybe strongest read I have Eywa - lean town Tube - lean town Coag - lean town 10\ Bugs those mafia reads on us are hilarious -J And they were all town too. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote: Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. Nope I almost want to lunch you for this. Anyone voting the hydra from now on makes me suspect them. Least I can do is say i am sorry. Trying to cut it down and work for my posts but goddamn sometimes I know something and aren’t sure why alright? | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 29 2019 18:19 NoSmurfHere wrote: I'm saying because this seems much more convincing to me than: I can't be the only one. -J Holyflare are you still townreading koshi for the same reason? If so do you have a better way of convincing me because i believe you more when you talk about koshi being scummy than when you talk about him being town. -J | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
On July 30 2019 02:05 Holyflare wrote: How do people GET social sway, Slam? By being consistently wrong and unconvincing and never making sense or what? By tickling ears. Every social bee has been wrong plenty too, and misses recognition. I respect a lot of players that others don’t because I see when they are right, and decide to stop caring because reasons or whatever. I do not admire the loaded questions popular people use unless it is when they are at least half right or more. Hence I still admire you, BH, etc. And the best types were Foolishness, Ver, incógnita, hapahauli- I understand 100% their respect commanded. I don’t understand why Tubesock doesn’t have more, why Hurricane Sponge never got off the ground, why, ah, who was it, the other guy with a V name who was an asshole so even I hated him but he was actually an amazing blue hunter, he just left because he never got any sway so he was like “what the hell I’d be better off trolling like the dumbasses who follow Chezinu” But they get social sway by having catch phrases and using loaded questions to shut down their target regardless of their target’s actual alignment. They get popular by lynching people consistently more than by being right consistently. By trumpeting their skills when they are right and saying that the player sucked/had a bad defense when they are wrong. I consider that a low blow and dishonorable. I refuse to engage in it. I occasionally try to garner a little respect by pointing out I can be right when I am confident, but I don’t shut people down and I hear them out so That makes me bad? So I sometimes decide, “why even try in this one?” I don’t martyr every game. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17321 Posts
I am thinking Eywa too. Null is Eversince, Koshi, FF, Meapak, Can’t remember anyone else and I am willing to reread and give thoughts, but I suspect people would see that as shitting up the thread rather than useful. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 30 2019 02:25 Alakaslam wrote: So new townreads are Hydra May as well be blue, HF, maybe the smurf. I am thinking Eywa too. Null is Eversince, Koshi, FF, Meapak, Can’t remember anyone else and I am willing to reread and give thoughts, but I suspect people would see that as shitting up the thread rather than useful. Give thoughts! The thread is dead anyway. Read pandain he's a bit of a mystery at the moment. Eversince is whaaaaaaaaat she normally all over the thread. If I'd subbed in as town I'd be extra keen too. -J | ||
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