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On July 30 2019 06:47 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 06:14 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town 1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything: On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did. It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way. Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up. On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.
I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot. I like your approach to the game. HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt. Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you. What's changed here? 2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread? 5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on? 11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then? 14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing? I decided to treat you as town and thereby by extension the hydra too. FF may have the similar reads, but lacking reason and explanations. Also way to many posts unrelated to the gane. Could be trying to pass unnoticed behind spam. Suspicious Koshi is old read. Also hasnt done much im aware of since then. I was busy elsewhere leading up to the lynch. No time for proper decision so i piles onto highes wagon. Probably going to reread before deciding to vote. Eversince provides her opionon and reason when accusing people. This seems more productive than calling people scum. Therefore Im leaning towards town. Im unsure if I understood your qurstion correctly. Please rephrase if i didnt.
But why does what I say about the hydra matter when:
You have your own opinion on what the hydra QT posts meant originally.
You have a conclusive reason yesterday for them to be lock mafia that you didn't think to reconsider about.
You only just town read me for town reading the hydra and that's pretty much it?
It seems pretty weird to me that you'd sacrifice the first two points just because I looked like I was town confirming someone?
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On July 30 2019 10:45 Fecalfeast wrote:
I will save my thoughts on that for post-game
It was totally paraphrased and summarised which is perfectly legal and always has been. No need to be salty because it eliminated a lynch for you :p
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On July 30 2019 07:29 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 06:56 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 06:47 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 06:14 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town 1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything: On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did. It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way. Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up. On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.
I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot. I like your approach to the game. HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt. Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you. What's changed here? 2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread? 5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on? 11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then? 14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing? I decided to treat you as town and thereby by extension the hydra too. FF may have the similar reads, but lacking reason and explanations. Also way to many posts unrelated to the gane. Could be trying to pass unnoticed behind spam. Suspicious Koshi is old read. Also hasnt done much im aware of since then. I was busy elsewhere leading up to the lynch. No time for proper decision so i piles onto highes wagon. Probably going to reread before deciding to vote. Eversince provides her opionon and reason when accusing people. This seems more productive than calling people scum. Therefore Im leaning towards town. Im unsure if I understood your qurstion correctly. Please rephrase if i didnt. But why does what I say about the hydra matter when: You have your own opinion on what the hydra QT posts meant originally. You have a conclusive reason yesterday for them to be lock mafia that you didn't think to reconsider about. You only just town read me for town reading the hydra and that's pretty much it? It seems pretty weird to me that you'd sacrifice the first two points just because I looked like I was town confirming someone? We can talk more to solve this tomorrow. I am too tired to reason.
Please respond to this when you come back.
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If you think I'm anything but town now, Pandain, I don't know what to tell you. I've already explained I was trying to make a parity cop play.
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On July 30 2019 18:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
If you think I'm anything but town now, Pandain, I don't know what to tell you. I've already explained I was trying to make a parity cop play. Your play is townie and I'm nowhere near lynching you, but after what happened with Rayn last game I'm giving anyone with a lot of experience a more reserved judgment before any "definitely townie" reads. I don't get it. So if Chezinu was town you would ...what?
Well:
A) I didn't think he was town
B) Even if he was I'd pretend to be parity and get shot letting our actual parity get off a check
C) If I didn't get shot I'd know mafia was full of baddies
D) If I didn't get shot and someone else that wasn't a lead vet got shot after I basically claimed parity then I would of rampaged on bugs/koshi
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I'd never full claim it at that point but I bet I left enough hints for mafia to at least know it was obvious. We'll see post game if that worked or not.
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On July 30 2019 18:55 Pandain wrote:
Did you start to leave any hints?
Why do you think we're having this whole conversation?
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He essentially copied every post I made :D
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Dunno think ff probably best vote today but I won't be sad if Koshi dies after he's essentially told us his itinerary and nothing else.
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On July 30 2019 22:50 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 18:52 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 18:49 Pandain wrote:On July 30 2019 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
If you think I'm anything but town now, Pandain, I don't know what to tell you. I've already explained I was trying to make a parity cop play. Your play is townie and I'm nowhere near lynching you, but after what happened with Rayn last game I'm giving anyone with a lot of experience a more reserved judgment before any "definitely townie" reads. I don't get it. So if Chezinu was town you would ...what? Well: A) I didn't think he was town B) Even if he was I'd pretend to be parity and get shot letting our actual parity get off a check C) If I didn't get shot I'd know mafia was full of baddies D) If I didn't get shot and someone else that wasn't a lead vet got shot after I basically claimed parity then I would of rampaged on bugs/koshi Don’t ever try this again. Seriously, if you’re town this plan is selfish as fuck and awful to boot. From the poor townie PC perspective they have no idea whether you’re mafia trying to bait a claim or whether you’re a townie fake claiming. Ordinarily you could apply the logic that no scum would ever trade 1 for 1 in that situation, but it isn’t true here because: 1. A veteran scum player trading 1 for 1 for the real parity cop is actually a solid play there. The PC, if they believe you are scum, has a strong chance of counterclaiming before day 3 which allows scum to shoot on n2, because in the moment they will think you are the best lynch. This is especially true for someone like me where I will be wondering why the fuck you hijacked a lynch of Koshi to kill an afk vanilla townie. 2. You should have already known mafia were full of baddies when they fucked up the mason hunt on n1. Anyone who was reading the game should have known that tube was rayn’s partner essentially within minutes of his flip by reading the vote count & who sheeped rayn and said they’d tunnel us forever for no reason at all (hint: TUBE) 3. Your last statement proves that scum kills (except when shooting confirmed townies) don’t really matter all that much. I think the Vivax kill was bad because there was a confirmed town after day 1. Otherwise, any kill would have been fine, because people read all sorts of weird shit into scum kills, as proven by the fact that people tried to read into the tube shot anything other than “oh, they figured out tube is the mason, finally” If you’re town I seriously implore you to stop trying to pull plays like this. They don’t win games, and they make it harder for your teammates. Maybe they sound fun to you but it is decidedly not fun in the moment to try and figure out what the fuck you are doing when it causes so much chaos. This is precious time lost trying to piece things together as proven by the number of times you are being asked to explain yourself. As scum you are an experienced enough player to do it and use it to your advantage even if you haven’t been brave enough to try it till now. -wherebugsgo
Lol as if that'd ever stop me 
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On July 30 2019 23:24 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 23:21 Eywa- wrote:On July 30 2019 23:18 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads. We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game. Lynch Eywa You're right, we shouldn't eliminate our scum reads, nor should we try to expand the town circle for a hard POE, we should fucking wing it by lynching someone we don't understand. You ARE a scum read. Eliminating you MAKES process of eliminiation easier. I will keep pushing you till you get lynched or start posting meaningful contribution. Lynch Eywa, lynch scum.
Isn't it very convenient you push koshi as suspicious but when his wagon comes up you decide to take a stance on eywa? Have you read any of the past games he's in and compared it to this one?
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On July 30 2019 23:31 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 23:14 Eywa- wrote:
I mean, in a game that's this hard to read and this tight, I think it's important to not give passes for anything. Like, we're all pretty much scum reading Branch due to his terrible entrance, but if that was day 1, I bet you all would have forgotten about it. He can't play the card of "Well, everything has been kosher since then". That’s not why I’m scumreading branch. I’m scumreading branch because he has had a long time to make sense and still doesn’t. All of his pushes are just reasons pulled from thin air and his logic makes no sense (+ he’s ultra-defensive of his pushes right up until he’s not). It’s like he’s making up reads. I actually gave him a pass all of yesterday because he was a replacement. As for why I don’t scumread MZ, I never saw his entrance on day 1 as bad and I still don’t see anything wrong with his posts. In particular I have no idea how you can think branch and MZ are scum together unless MZ is next-level bussing because MZ was basically the only player who straight up called out branch on his bs yesterday. He tore apart his logic, in a situation where he could have just sat back and watched Chezinu get lynched. -wherebugsgo
Where does this happen?
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On July 30 2019 23:56 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 23:45 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 23:24 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 23:21 Eywa- wrote:On July 30 2019 23:18 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads. We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game. Lynch Eywa You're right, we shouldn't eliminate our scum reads, nor should we try to expand the town circle for a hard POE, we should fucking wing it by lynching someone we don't understand. You ARE a scum read. Eliminating you MAKES process of eliminiation easier. I will keep pushing you till you get lynched or start posting meaningful contribution. Lynch Eywa, lynch scum. Isn't it very convenient you push koshi as suspicious but when his wagon comes up you decide to take a stance on eywa? Have you read any of the past games he's in and compared it to this one? No not on purpose. Have you read Eywas filter, you never responded to my inquiry earlier.
I have not because I already know it's similar to past games although even more explainy this game than last even.
What was your question?
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Don't really understand what you're saying but it looks amazingly like positioning to vote with those 2 other scummy fucks on eywa
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On July 31 2019 01:00 Eywa- wrote:
I think it's hard for Branch and MZ to be scum together here, so I think FF is always the vote here, we should all get on the same page, I don't think the last bit from Koshi is coming from scum, I think it's just terrible town... Which has been evidenced throughout the game.
Maybe it is just koshi and you after all :D
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I mean this whole last page interaction has been pretty bad. Koshi accuses eywa because of ??? Still don't really understand.
Eywa won't accuse koshi even though he's afking into giving a really shit excuse to vote eywa??
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On July 31 2019 02:34 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 23:45 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 23:24 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 23:21 Eywa- wrote:On July 30 2019 23:18 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads. We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game. Lynch Eywa You're right, we shouldn't eliminate our scum reads, nor should we try to expand the town circle for a hard POE, we should fucking wing it by lynching someone we don't understand. You ARE a scum read. Eliminating you MAKES process of eliminiation easier. I will keep pushing you till you get lynched or start posting meaningful contribution. Lynch Eywa, lynch scum. Isn't it very convenient you push koshi as suspicious but when his wagon comes up you decide to take a stance on eywa? Have you read any of the past games he's in and compared it to this one? Other than lynch parity cop day 2, you haven't done a lot yourself. Where's the activity? Lynch Eywa, make the last day easier for everyone
Good thing you've written me off as town then?
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I asked if you've read any of eywa's past games because they are similar to this one. Why have you not? Your only reason for doing so seems to be what eywa usually does as town so why would I follow it?
Seems to go against everything logical you've been said to be following.
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On July 31 2019 03:13 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2019 03:10 Eversince wrote:
@ Branch
Did you miss the multiple times I've listed why I m!Koshi? Miss the whole end of D2 where Pandain/myself pushed for a switch to Koshi over Chezinu? Or are you just trying to cast shadows on me?
I am asking you to reconsider your vote and go for Eywa, who has posted nothing but offhand accusations and useless comments. If the lynch is between FF and Koshi, theres nothing to be learned. Both have posted too much, and posted too much nonsense. Eywa postet nothing of substance. There is a huge contrast between either Koshi/FF and Eywa. Making the choice more meaningful for everyone.
Again, if you cannot be bothered to compare the remarkably similar filters of Eywa this game to last game (where he was town) why would we believe he's mafia for doing the same thing this game?
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