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HF if you are indeed town here then you can go fuck yourself.
I actually at this point have no desire to collaborate with you almost purely out of spite because if you are again town here this is the third game in a row where you have just straight up refused to collaborate/listen. Like you don’t even bother to read my posts and then you read all sorts of weird things into it and cherry pick me while completely ignoring the obvious face value meaning of my posts. And you have the gall to ask us to vote someone you say you haven’t even read!! Why should anyone sheep that??
I’m going to bed and will let poor Jock make the difficult decision of where to place our vote because I need sleep.
-wherebugsgo
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On July 28 2019 00:50 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine saying you won't vote Chezinu because Holyflare (who you town read) hasn't read him even though you independently say Chezinu is a good vote.
At this very moment I don’t townread you.
I have no idea why I should townread you anymore, honestly. You still haven’t explained that eversince thing being related to rayn when rayn died before she fucking joined the game. You’re clearly not reading, and now you’ve come up with some convoluted story about us being scum with Chezinu.
If that’s the case, just vote us instead of Chezinu, since it saves you the effort of creating a new wagon.
-wherebugsgo
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hf what info do we get from lynching chez?
I can't figure out where you're coming from at all.
"Just trust me" isn't doing it for me.
-J
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Oh I get it.
##vote chezinu
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On July 28 2019 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Pandain and Hydra unwilling to lynch Chezinu. Doesnt make chezinu anything but it is curious.
Unwilling as in willing, right?
Up is down with you koshi.
Left is right.
We are literally willing to lynch chez.
In fact, we voted for chez quicker than tubesock did. He took over an hour to change his vote after he posted his comment about liking to watch hf or something.
So why isn't tubesock on your list? Maybe its because that's really bad way to decide who's scum.
You're talking bollocks.
-J
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On July 28 2019 04:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:On July 28 2019 03:56 Koshi wrote:On July 28 2019 03:54 Koshi wrote:On July 28 2019 03:53 Holyflare wrote:
He's not wrong koshi why did you say they were unwilling to vote chez with votes already on him? I doubt that ever happened. Ahh what. Who is they? On July 28 2019 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Pandain and Hydra unwilling to lynch Chezinu. Doesnt make chezinu anything but it is curious. Ah. Both gave reasoning not to vote Chez today while saying Chez is a good lynch.
Are you going to talk about everyone that did this,or just select the people that you already wanted to talk about?
-J
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Pandain do you think chez is mafia afk and koshi is trying to bus for credit?
-J
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No pandain I think we lynch chez because he's mafia, get all the poe info we can from today and we deny people credit for being on chez when he flips red.
Its lose/lose for mafia.
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On July 28 2019 04:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 04:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
No pandain I think we lynch chez because he's mafia, get all the poe info we can from today and we deny people credit for being on chez when he flips red.
Its lose/lose for mafia.
Don't you guys think Koshi is mafia though?
Yeah but as it is we're already lynching mafia so what's the point in switching?
If koshi dies then good. He's being a pain in the ass as well as acting very scummy. If chez dies then also good because he's mafia.
With the wagons the way they are there just isn't any point in switching from one scum to another and tying things up.
-J
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On July 28 2019 04:45 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 04:42 Holyflare wrote:On July 28 2019 04:41 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 28 2019 04:36 Holyflare wrote:On July 28 2019 04:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
No pandain I think we lynch chez because he's mafia, get all the poe info we can from today and we deny people credit for being on chez when he flips red.
Its lose/lose for mafia.
Don't you guys think Koshi is mafia though? Yeah but as it is we're already lynching mafia so what's the point in switching? If koshi dies then good. He's being a pain in the ass as well as acting very scummy. If chez dies then also good because he's mafia. With the wagons the way they are there just isn't any point in switching from one scum to another and tying things up. -J That's a very assured 100% both are mafia world you're living in. Why was Koshi the first to switch to chez after me? Yeah 100% Jugs are you certain both are scum?
Did I say 100%?
I said if koshi dies then good because he's being a pain in the ass and acting scummy.
If you take that to mean that I think koshi is 100% certain mafia then you are reading it wrong.
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On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town
Oh man this looks bad branch.
-J
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Wait branch has never played with chezinu before right?
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100 times fuck you HF.
I hope you are scum here but almost on basis of tone you feel town. We should have killed Koshi like I said to begin with.
-wherebugsgo
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Actually I think I want to lynch HF purely for saying we’d get info from Chez. That 100% never made sense.
Killing Koshi was the information play because of the straight up bizarre interactions he had with slam, HF, and a whole host of other players.
-wherebugsgo
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As a non-participant in the crap that happened before deadline here are the important bits that I observed, after the fact:
1. Pandain comes off looking fairly townish. He uses sound logic to really push Koshi hard on sheeping slam and not having any original reads etc. and all of his points were good. Two players tag team on discrediting Pandain constantly to essentially hope it goes away but Pandain persisted and did not let up. These two players are Koshi himself, and somebody probably no one noticed, FF.
2. Reason #2 for Pandain looking more town is that simply as scum he had very little scum-motivated reason to try and push the lynch in the direction of Koshi, particularly if it was TvT, because he could’ve merely continued to do what he’s done most of the game and lurk or even just go along with killing Chezinu as Chezinu was scumread universally. Keep this in mind as there is another player who did indeed lurk and got away with it.
3. Koshi essentially openly flailed due to Pandain’s line of questioning. In fact pretty much Pandain’s questioning by itself caused Koshi to squirm because Koshi was never able to answer properly why he trusted slam so much. Koshi’s best response to shade Pandain was along the lines of “first you said I changed my reads and then when I said I had none you said that’s even worse and that’s scummy!” (Lol)
Pandain is 100% right that Koshi has no original reads this game and it’s something I pointed out yesterday as well.
4. Fecalfeast’s sole contribution throughout multiple pages was to shade Pandain and defend koshi from the sideline. Absolutely no actual reasons but he exposed himself really hard there on Koshi’s behalf and I have no idea why a town FF would do that instead of just evaluating the facts on face-value basis.
5. FF’s reaction post-flip is to gauge reactions of players as to “who next” rather than try to synthesize what the fuck just happened. Clearly not trying to figure out the game.
6. Slam was completely afk.
7. Branch is new and difficult to read, probably should read the newbie guide but it seems like people are already preemptively setting things up to push him tomorrow. As much as I think he’s an idiot for thinking we are scum, I really don’t think he’s the best lynch and I’m wary of anyone (particularly HF) who is moving toward pushing him now.
8. HF is a difficult read but there are nuggets of “I don’t know why a scum HF would do this” in his posts; the late wagon push is one of them, though he very well could be mafia with Koshi & slam due to how hard he argued with Koshi yesterday yet he townreads Koshi mysteriously. For me personally HF is back to a wait-and-see.
At this point, with the number of instances of straight hard defending between Koshi, FF, and slam, one of them must die tomorrow. I think they’re all good chances to flip scum but I’d probably put Koshi at the top right now.
Mafia reads:
Koshi
FF
Slam
Town reads:
Tube
Eversince
Pandain
Meapak
Lean town:
Branch
Eywa
Null:
Holyflare
-wherebugsgo
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On July 28 2019 08:39 Tubesock wrote:
NoSmurf,
Now that you know I’m not Mason, I don’t see how I can be your top town. We disagree on almost every read. Even philosophically I think we differ on nearly everything. We just don’t have any common ground.
I can’t wrap my head around it.
You tell me. I actually don’t know how to read you atm. You do nothing but push us, but I guess such a strong tunnel is more townish than scummish. I just don’t understand why you think we’re scum when we’re one of 3, maybe 4 players actually trying to figure out the game (eversince, Meapak, and Pandain fall into this bucket for me)
I also have no idea what it means if you’re not mason. Mason AFKed day 1 and didn’t vote with rayn? That explains why he just rolled over and died but it’s so bad on so many levels. I guess that’s not surprising to me, but it sucks if all of our blues were essentially worthless this game. Now I’m wishing I had rolled blue instead because it happens so rarely 
-wherebugsgo
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On July 28 2019 23:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 22:36 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 28 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote:On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town ??? With 0 information available on chezinu, and 11 players out of which 3 are mafia, a blind lynch into inactive has an 8/11 chance of being a town lynch. It's not a blind random lynch into an inactive though is it? If you've narrowed down players that you think are town the odds of him being mafia increase. He wasn't classified as super inactive either, he had posted things in the thread just none of it content (which, again, increases the odds of him being mafia).
What’s your list looking like now? Are you actually ready to try and collaborate now or are you still gonna do your own thing and ignore everything I’m saying as you’ve always done?
We need to make some shortcuts now because we’re in a really bad situation, and one of the shortcuts I’m willing to make is to consider you town because we’re almost certainly not lynching you tomorrow, and if you’re scum we’ve lost the game already.
My scumreads:
Koshi
FF
slam
If wrong on one of those, then probably one or two of branch/eywa/tube
Mason in here somewhere:
Eversince
Branch
Slam (already denied it)
Tube (already denied it)
Tell me what you’re thinking and with Jock here as well maybe we can figure out the game.
Whoever is mason please claim at the beginning of day 3 because there are two night kills on n3. Without that confirmed townie the game is way harder.
-wherebugsgo
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