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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 13:29 GMT
#962
On July 27 2019 22:12 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 22:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world.

It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her?

Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still.

Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now.


Here's where I am on Slam:

If he's mafia and he's self voting he's doing it to try and keep votes away from other mafia.

Otherwise he's town and just wants to die cos he thinks it will help town.

Either way voting for him at this point is bad.

Koshi is scum however and he will get stronger as the game gets smaller. If you think he is mafia kill him today.

-J

I absolutely hate his martyr and that's from someone who's done it before. Imo you martyr as town when there's like 6 hours left in the day and you have no hope of getting saved so you self vote to spawn discussion about the next day's vote. Slam on the other hand self voted with like 24 hours left and hardly a vote lead which to me says he's trying to appeal to emotion (and it seems to be working).

The case on Koshi is not bad though, I just feel like we're moving from a like 95% chance to a 75% chance at hitting scum.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 13:40 GMT
#965
On July 27 2019 22:23 Branch.AUT wrote:
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On July 27 2019 21:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Anyway I'm not going to keep talking about this you don't have a case so keep going if you want.

I would suggest you just look at koshi and you will see that he's scum.
Then switch your vote to koshi.

-Jock


I make it a rule to not follow scum suggestions. Even if Koshi looks guilty as hell

This is some terrible reasoning here dude.

You brought up koshi looking bad independent from the hydra and repeated it a couple of times. Eversince voted koshi and then the hydra did. The hydra then expanded on the koshi vote, which is a read you agree with, and now you're not going to vote Koshi because you've convinced yourself the hydra is scum. If that's the case then why keep ragging on koshi? If you think the hydra is falsely accusing Koshi then why keep shading him?

Unless you've somehow developed a scenario where the hydra is busing koshi, which doesn't make much sense unless you think slam is also scum and the scum team has decided to trade slam for koshi.

There is a disconnect here: either you think the hydra is scum which makes koshi town, and yet you continue to shade koshi

Or you think the hydra is scum, busing scum koshi to save scum slam?

Either way this is terrible fucking logic. Actually I'd like anyone who is scum reading the Hydra because of this koshi push who also thinks koshi is scum to read this because the logic makes literally zero sense.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 13:43 GMT
#966
On July 27 2019 22:38 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 22:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:12 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world.

It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her?

Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still.

Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now.


Here's where I am on Slam:

If he's mafia and he's self voting he's doing it to try and keep votes away from other mafia.

Otherwise he's town and just wants to die cos he thinks it will help town.

Either way voting for him at this point is bad.

Koshi is scum however and he will get stronger as the game gets smaller. If you think he is mafia kill him today.

-J

I absolutely hate his martyr and that's from someone who's done it before. Imo you martyr as town when there's like 6 hours left in the day and you have no hope of getting saved so you self vote to spawn discussion about the next day's vote. Slam on the other hand self voted with like 24 hours left and hardly a vote lead which to me says he's trying to appeal to emotion (and it seems to be working).

The case on Koshi is not bad though, I just feel like we're moving from a like 95% chance to a 75% chance at hitting scum.

I hope you are mafia.

Go read the end of the world mafia if you want to see what I'm talking about. I got lynched like D4 or something and just stopped fighting it in the last couple hours so we could move on and talk about other shit.

This preemptive 24 hours early martyr is just ridiculous. And yours is not any better by the way Mr. "I'm fine with Dying today." If you're town, start giving a fuck and play.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 13:51 GMT
#969
On July 27 2019 22:47 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 22:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:38 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:12 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world.

It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her?

Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still.

Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now.


Here's where I am on Slam:

If he's mafia and he's self voting he's doing it to try and keep votes away from other mafia.

Otherwise he's town and just wants to die cos he thinks it will help town.

Either way voting for him at this point is bad.

Koshi is scum however and he will get stronger as the game gets smaller. If you think he is mafia kill him today.

-J

I absolutely hate his martyr and that's from someone who's done it before. Imo you martyr as town when there's like 6 hours left in the day and you have no hope of getting saved so you self vote to spawn discussion about the next day's vote. Slam on the other hand self voted with like 24 hours left and hardly a vote lead which to me says he's trying to appeal to emotion (and it seems to be working).

The case on Koshi is not bad though, I just feel like we're moving from a like 95% chance to a 75% chance at hitting scum.

I hope you are mafia.

Go read the end of the world mafia if you want to see what I'm talking about. I got lynched like D4 or something and just stopped fighting it in the last couple hours so we could move on and talk about other shit.

This preemptive 24 hours early martyr is just ridiculous. And yours is not any better by the way Mr. "I'm fine with Dying today." If you're town, start giving a fuck and play.

I gave enough fucks. I am ok with dieing because I can't cure retarded.

Let me get this straight Branch, you think this guy right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^ is scum. Getting bused by the hydra. Who is also scum. Which means you must think slam is scum, since the only person who a koshi bus would save is slam. Have I got all that right? Because that is the path that your logic is flowing down right now and it is pants on head retarded.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 13:55 GMT
#978
On July 27 2019 22:50 Koshi wrote:
I am like second in the game filter based and you say "start caring" because I am ok with getting lynched :DDDD

Fucking stupid.

Anyway. My mafia reads are not here and my town reads seem to have minus IQ.

So either I am wrong about my mafia reads and it is ok that I die.
Or I am right about my mafia reads but this town is fucking stupid.

Slam/Koshi top votes :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

fml. How many times have I defended townies and yet the dumb town lynch them anyway.

Last post.

gl hf.

Youe filter is literally 2-3 line posts, most of which is sniping at town atmosphere, talking about how you don't give a shit, and giving almost no backup for your reads. It's actually astounding you can say so little with so many posts.

Kinda feels like we outed most of the scum team here all of a sudden. I've liked nothing you've posted for the past 24 hours and this little flury here has me very comfortable voting you.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 14:02 GMT
#982
Lynch is wide open and these scummy martyring fucks are in here acting like its their final hour of the game and the votes are stacked against them.

Such BS scummy anti town play.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 14:06 GMT
#985
On July 27 2019 23:05 Tubesock wrote:
I really like this Branch.AUT.

Voting NSH.

Dude have you read anything that's happened in the past like 3 pages?

Please checkout my post here
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549650-cupids-arrow-mafia?page=49#965
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 14:07 GMT
#986
Like Tube we may legit have two scum under the gun rn and you're going with your stupid tunnel.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 14:18 GMT
#989
On July 27 2019 23:10 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 22:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:23 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 21:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Anyway I'm not going to keep talking about this you don't have a case so keep going if you want.

I would suggest you just look at koshi and you will see that he's scum.
Then switch your vote to koshi.

-Jock


I make it a rule to not follow scum suggestions. Even if Koshi looks guilty as hell

This is some terrible reasoning here dude.

You brought up koshi looking bad independent from the hydra and repeated it a couple of times. Eversince voted koshi and then the hydra did. The hydra then expanded on the koshi vote, which is a read you agree with, and now you're not going to vote Koshi because you've convinced yourself the hydra is scum. If that's the case then why keep ragging on koshi? If you think the hydra is falsely accusing Koshi then why keep shading him?

Unless you've somehow developed a scenario where the hydra is busing koshi, which doesn't make much sense unless you think slam is also scum and the scum team has decided to trade slam for koshi.

There is a disconnect here: either you think the hydra is scum which makes koshi town, and yet you continue to shade koshi

Or you think the hydra is scum, busing scum koshi to save scum slam?

Either way this is terrible fucking logic. Actually I'd like anyone who is scum reading the Hydra because of this koshi push who also thinks koshi is scum to read this because the logic makes literally zero sense.


Incorrect. As they are so fond of claiming, hydra voted first.
Also note how I multiple times noted koshi looks suspicious, while never actually calling him anything more.

All your reasoning is pants on head because you invented connections where none are. I am pushing my scumread, the hydra, because they react like scum.

You, MZ, are establishing consitional reads on others, which at this point is a waste of time.

The bolded part here is terrible. Are you afraid of giving reads? And you should read my post a little more closely because I don't think you are actually thinking through the implications of your own position.

But for the sake of argument, we can run through the logic again with no reference to Koshi's alignment.

Hydra scum, pushes koshi to save slam (slam most be scum)

That's what you're implying. There, I completely took out any reference to koshi's alignment. Hydra has zero reason to push koshi unless slam is scum. Slam was going to get lynched before everyone started unvoting. They have literally put themselves on the chopping block for a read. That's about as town as it gets. The only way this makes sense for them as scum is if they're trying to save slam (which probably means slam has a scum power role and that's all the more reason to kill him)

Think about the implications of your reads.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 14:20 GMT
#990
On July 27 2019 23:12 Tubesock wrote:
I did read the last three pages. And the 47 before that.

I do not agree with any of your arguments Meap. I think you’re wrong in Slam, and NoSmurfHere.

Repeating that I’m in a stupid tunnel isnt going to change my mind that I think smurfs arguments are from scum.

Please show me where they critically thought about the game and wasn’t lecturing us on how to play or how great their scum game is.

Smurf has literally put himself on the chopping block for Koshi.

Explain to me how that makes sense as scum. He could have sat back and ridden the slam lynch into the sunset if he was scum and slam was town.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 14:29 GMT
#994
On July 27 2019 23:24 Tubesock wrote:
If hydra is scum there’s no downside from pushing off a town Slam who is mayrting. Slam is likely to lynch himself. Hydra can later say he wasn’t voting poor townSlam and trying to get mean ole dumb town to kill “mafia” Koshi. And then work in killing Koshi the next day.

If Slam doesn’t get lynched, he can go back to oh we should have lynched Slam, my bad.

So no Meap, this scenario is not necessarily implying Slam is a scum power role.

This is just bad logic. You say there's no downside but they are literally the ones getting lynched right now because of their push off. They're both decent players, they know how many people wanted them dead in the thread. Both of the scenarios you proposed about possible scum motives make no sense.

I'm going out now and idk if I'll be around for the lynch but I just want you to read this once as objectively as possible without assuming the hydra is scum and see if this reasoning makes sense.

If you end up being right about this I'll shut up and sheep you for the rest of the game.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 27 2019 14:33 GMT
#996
On July 27 2019 23:28 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 22:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:47 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:38 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:12 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world.

It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her?

Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still.

Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now.


Here's where I am on Slam:

If he's mafia and he's self voting he's doing it to try and keep votes away from other mafia.

Otherwise he's town and just wants to die cos he thinks it will help town.

Either way voting for him at this point is bad.

Koshi is scum however and he will get stronger as the game gets smaller. If you think he is mafia kill him today.

-J

I absolutely hate his martyr and that's from someone who's done it before. Imo you martyr as town when there's like 6 hours left in the day and you have no hope of getting saved so you self vote to spawn discussion about the next day's vote. Slam on the other hand self voted with like 24 hours left and hardly a vote lead which to me says he's trying to appeal to emotion (and it seems to be working).

The case on Koshi is not bad though, I just feel like we're moving from a like 95% chance to a 75% chance at hitting scum.

I hope you are mafia.

Go read the end of the world mafia if you want to see what I'm talking about. I got lynched like D4 or something and just stopped fighting it in the last couple hours so we could move on and talk about other shit.

This preemptive 24 hours early martyr is just ridiculous. And yours is not any better by the way Mr. "I'm fine with Dying today." If you're town, start giving a fuck and play.

I gave enough fucks. I am ok with dieing because I can't cure retarded.

Let me get this straight Branch, you think this guy right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^ is scum. Getting bused by the hydra. Who is also scum. Which means you must think slam is scum, since the only person who a koshi bus would save is slam. Have I got all that right? Because that is the path that your logic is flowing down right now and it is pants on head retarded.


Missed this earlier.
Never accused koshi, never accused slam. Talking about the hydra, because the hydra is my scum read.

Your insistance on connecting players to each others at this point in time is premature. Seems to me you are trying to spread attention between many people at this time. Which is miguided and anti town.

I don't care who you've "accused" or not with your pushes because at this point we're debating semantics. I need you to think about what your actual scum read implies. You can not say anything about someone and still have an implied read because of who you're pushing.

I'm going out now.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 29 2019 03:27 GMT
#1289
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 29 2019 03:29 GMT
#1290
Eversince has seemed ok to me so far, Pandain's activity D2 was a bit better which makes me feel more comfortable with him.

I honestly don't know where I'm at with HF. I'll read him over again tomorrow.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 29 2019 22:22 GMT
#1465
Ok home from work. Gonna catch up, do a quick filter dive of the folks I mentioned last night, and try and figure out where my vote will be going. I think there's enough information here we should be able to solve this.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 30 2019 00:00 GMT
#1477
I read Branch first, I'm not gonna go over the debate that we had about Koshi and the logic behind Smurf's Koshi push. I still believe Branch was being obtuse and not fully thinking through the implications of their reads. Furthermore, as many people have pointed out, this vote was trash:

On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town


And just because Branch acknowledges it does not exonerate him from making it.

On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:
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On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.


Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.


This right here is reaching to make connections in the extreme, which is funny because that's exactly what Branch accused me of doing when I tried to walk them through the logic behind his reads. The best thing HF has done this whole game has been to pull those logs from the Hydra. Since I townread the Hydra, Occam's razor says that HF is also town and simply looking to get a clearer picture. And Branch is trying to throw doubt on that.

On July 30 2019 03:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
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On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.

Calling me scum entails coagulation claiming scum with first post and actually being scum. I don't know the man but I'm quite certain hes not that much of a cretin.

Yes I do believe he could be.

On July 30 2019 03:53 Branch.AUT wrote:
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On July 30 2019 03:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.

See I am pretty sure Eywa has something to offer

Your suspicion of me for a horrendous vote is warranted. As mentioned earlier this stems from me voting very rushed because I was short on time before deadline.

If you read my filter you will realize that my entire game has been applying logic to finding scum.

And see this is something I've been having a problem with throughout Branch's filter. between his declaration regarding his lack of meta as well the extremely robotic tone (someone actually used this word to describe him and I agree), it feels like Branch is trying super hard to put up a facade of controlled logic and reason. Slam talked a bit about emotion earlier and it honestly would be a fun postgame discussion to get into in the Community thread about the role emotion plays in forum mafia. I personally believe that attempts at "Pure Logic & Reasoning" serve more as a hiding place for scum rather than a bastion of good town thought. Townies do stupid illogical things, too dumb to be scum is a phrase for a reason no matter how much I hate it. Scum is more likely to post in a controlled manner imo.

That was a lengthy paragraph about meta on a player who has already reminded us he has none so it's kinda useless to overall scumhunting but in the interest of transparency that's where part of my gut scum read of Branch comes from.

On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
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On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.

This was a funny post to me because it sounded odd and I couldn't place it until I realized; it's a copy of a post in my filter:

On July 24 2019 21:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Tubesock, people wanna kill the hydra and I don't buy it, you're one of the few people critically thinking this game and you've scumread them. Spell it out for me like I'm stupid.


Part of me can't help but wonder if Branch has "logically deduced" that this is how I like to communicate as mafia and is trying to head off me scumreading him since it probably wasn't hard to deduce I was suspicious of him after our initial interaction.

On July 30 2019 05:14 Branch.AUT wrote:
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On July 30 2019 05:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Branch who's your top scum read right now?

-J

I am going through low activity people at the moment. Don't have a good scumread but these are my thoughts.

Im cautious about HF because of the weight he carries in thread.
Fecalfeasts opinions seem to line up with mine a lot, but his filter is filled with garbage posts.

Who are yours?


Again, people have already pointed out how bad this post is but since I'm here I'll throw in my two cents. For someone who has talked about the importance of voting your scumread (which I agree with!) Branch's hesitancy to say anything at all about HF is very strange. When responding to a post asking for reads Branch proceeds to throw out names with no reads. It goes back to the earlier questions I had for him in regards to his opinions of Koshi. He talks about how Koshi looks "guilty as hell" but then when I pushed him on it, he came back to say that he had never called Koshi scum. Branch likes to hide behind the technicality of never calling anyone "scum" (except for the hydra which at this point I think he's backed off of) and merely saying "suspicious".

This is all worth remembering because the last bit from Branch I don't like is his big list of reads:

On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town


This post takes no responsibility for the reads within it. Does he actually believe any of the suspicious people are scum? Who knows. Hell he even calls HF suspicious and then gives him a townread. This post and his play so far during this day cycle scream attempts at dodging responsibility. I don't have a problem with the questions that he's asked people in a vacuum, however when there is no follow up to the questions and seemingly no coherent push being made based on information gained from asking them, this falls under what I used to call "contributing without contributing" i.e. creating seemingly town content without actually having to make a stand on anything.

I didn't really come into this post certain one way or another of Branch's alignment but it was something that was bothering me yesterday before the lynch. Having had some time to sit down and go over things I'm fairly comfortable calling Branch scum. This also reinforces my scumread of Koshi because of Branch's chainsaw defense at the end of D2.

TL;DR If you don't want to read all of the post, my biggest and strongest argument for Branch being scum is the incredibly careful way he goes about avoiding making any real scumreads. Not only that but his attempt to lynch the hydra looks very much like a chainsaw defense of Koshi imo.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 30 2019 00:05 GMT
#1478
So having reread the last 48 hours a few times in writing that bit on Branch I'm also gonna conditionally retract my scumread of Slam. I think Koshi is a significantly better lynch at this point and unlike Koshi, slam came back from his martyr and continued to try and play.

Pending my dive of Eywa and rereading the clusterfuck from yesterday yet again I've got Koshi and Branch as scum right now.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 30 2019 00:22 GMT
#1479
It's actually incredibly hard to do an honest analysis of someone who has been calling you scum with literally nothing to back up the claims since like D1. I've kinda been ignoring most of what Eywa has said because I don't feel like giving the time of day when he doesn't have any reason aside from his gut (which helped get rayn killed). It's very tempting to OMGUS a case because this dude seems like a real asshole (hate when people talk about their home sites). But I agree with a couple points he's made today:
On July 30 2019 03:15 Eywa- wrote:
You guys post too much... Holy fuck.

FecalFeast has to be the lynch today, I mean... His filter is terrible, just keeps pushing random reads off of the main wagons, but doesn't actually push them hard enough to push them through. Then he calls other people scum for pushing mislynches.

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On July 26 2019 12:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
i still think mason should claim because if mafia shoots mason that's a probable guaranteed cop check unless they hit the RB and or the miller


Also, this feels a lot like PR hunting. WHERE DID THAT GUARANTEED COP CHECK GO? Oh... Y'all lynched it.

This is correct.
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.

This is correct.

As long as Eywa is gonna vote people who are scum and not me I'm not gonna scumread them for being a douchebag. I think his reasoning for not voting koshi is stupid because we really need to be lowering scum numbers ASAP but as long as we vote for one of Koshi or Branch I think we should be good. I need to really reread FF now because he's come up several times in other filters.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 30 2019 00:37 GMT
#1482
Gonna pick up my read of FF where I left off, this is already not a great start:
On July 28 2019 01:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why kill chez? Most info because he's being a dumpster or because we learn slam stuff too

On July 28 2019 04:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
I mean that's kinda why i'm voting for chez

On July 28 2019 04:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
he's done nothing + my townreads want to vote him


This is just garbage right here. Like 3 hour read swing to the wagon of convenience is so ugly. It also lines up well with scum looking for any reason to not get on the Koshi wagon, something that Branch had going on as well.

On July 28 2019 04:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
50/50:
If someone else swaps to koshi I might shenanigan onto him
or
This is a trap to bait scum


This post says "I want the town to know I wanted Koshi dead so that when we all do the after action on the dead townie chez I don't look so bad." As much as this forum likes to talk about shennanies, they rarely happen so this is a very safe little throw away post to avoid responsibility. And speaking of avoiding responsibility, guess who makes sure that there will be no chance of shenanigans... it's Branch:
On July 28 2019 04:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On July 28 2019 04:58 Holyflare wrote:
On July 28 2019 04:58 Branch.AUT wrote:
##Unvote
##vote: Chezinu


Interesting.

oh woah is that 1 min after my 50/50

Try not to act so surprised next time FF
On July 28 2019 05:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
so coag claimed scum post 1 as scum and branch is a super tryhard or what are we thinking here

"Quick my scumbuddy just did something stupid and I acknowledged it, how do I avoid association"
On July 29 2019 06:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hydra mafia me vote

Bad
On July 30 2019 02:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can we kill eywa then

This is like playing a game of "throw a bunch of shit on the wall and see what sticks"
On July 30 2019 04:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On July 30 2019 04:35 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:29 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:23 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:16 Branch.AUT wrote:
Just finished Ewyas filter.
Not impressive. Basically calling people scum without reasons or arguments. Lots of distractions and pointless posts pretending to be activity.

Cases are scummy.

I have no cases but I'm scummy apparently

You're either scum or some severe anti-town. It's always hard to tell.

I'd also like to point out the pre-insult for when I flip town so eywa can call me bad lol

Whats your opinion on pushing an Ewya lynch?

Well I'm voting eywa and think they've played scummy. There's some smart people words that suggest the hydra may be town and nobody wants to vote with me there.

My opinion is that an eywa lynch is good.


This actually makes me feel better about not going after Eywa now.

Scum team: Koshi, Branch, FF
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 30 2019 00:43 GMT
#1484
Alright guys I've read the last 25 pages like 10 times over the last couple of hours and I'm actually feeling really confident about where we're at right now. I feel very comfortable with a Koshi lynch with Branch or FF on deck after that. Slam is my outlier candidate if one of Branch or FF is somehow not scum. I'll be around for a little longer tonight to answer questions if folks have got some but unfortunately I fly tomorrow so I won't be back until much later in the day.
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