EPTWhy did you say “anyone you town read” but then not mention who you actually town read? Who do you town read here?
If you agree on Pandain now are you going to vote him or not?
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Why did you say “anyone you town read” but then not mention who you actually town read? Who do you town read here? If you agree on Pandain now are you going to vote him or not? -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 16:57 Eversince wrote: @ Bug #2162 Take my scum reads away from players left in this game and you have easy idea my town reads -.-.. Why don’t you just answer the questions directly? Who do you town read? Who are you voting? -wherebugsgo | ||
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Literally any of the people I town read on right now would help my Pandain read. And then list only one townread? -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 17:23 Eversince wrote: Umm... There is me (V.town), you (town) Koshi (scummy as chicken shit), Eywa (Scummy because he is playing so off from even the egotistical tyrant I expected [see D1]), Pandain (scum because most lacking town play ever. Seems to only be around/ make points on opportune lynches, where the heck has Pandain been useful in this game ever?) I don't know how else to explain :/ You townread yourself? So you were waiting on an explanation of what your townreads thought of Pandain. Townreads, plural. You said this multiple times, even saying if I subtract your townreads from the players in the game I get your scumreads. Which is hilarious because you only listed 1 town read when I insisted. But now you list yourself (ROFL) Which is doubly hilarious because I already explained like a good 3-4 times why I believed Pandain to be scum and you just pretended I hadn’t explained anything (probably weren’t even reading my posts properly) Not only that but even if English is your second language you said ANY of your town reads, which implies at minimum 2, and that’s not even grammatically the most natural way of saying that, it really implies at least 3. Which unless that was a scum slip you have no room to talk about trash town play yeah? Thanks for repeatedly confirming you are scum  I hope you enjoyed the little game we just played LOL-wherebugsgo | ||
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Eywa move your vote please -wherebugsgo | ||
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I’m sorry you guys are way worse at scum than me because I’m going to lay out why I would never in a million years make any of those kills at the times they happened, as scum. Because turns out, regardless of alignment, I read the game. It only that, Jock has also been reading the game the whole time and if we were scum together there is never a chance in a million years we’d have left Tube alive for a cycle longer than necessary. He would have been 100% dead night 1. Here’s why: 1. rayn flips MASON on day 1. This means that his partner becomes confirmed town on claim and is almost certainly in the list of voters with him, unless by chance rayn’s partner was completely AFK. It is not fake claimable by scum unless there was a scum voter with rayn. This turns up 3 candidates. Take a look at the vote count: On July 25 2019 02:43 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count Raynpelikoneet (5): Eywa, Holyflare, Koshi, Pandain, Meapak_Ziphh NoSmurfHere (4): Tubesock, Meapak_Ziphh (2): Coagulation (0): Holyflare (0): Not Voting (3): NoSmurfHere, Chezinu, Revelator Raynpelikoneet is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is Wednesday, Jul 24 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in (Our/Jock’s vote was actually inconsequential because the final margin was 2 votes) The three candidates obviously being: Slam Vivax Tube 2. Now every scum team member at that point was proven to be afk or not reading when they killed Vivax instead of tube, because they completely 100% missed the following posts: On July 25 2019 01:48 Vivax wrote: Reread NSH a bit, dont want to lynch any more. I think Pandain might be mafia but I dont have a slamdunk reason. Just something about how he approaches the game that feels offputting. On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really.. I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town. My advice is that you look into HF and pandain. Vivax would never do this if he were rayn’s partner. He’d defend rayn, and make sure he voted as a block with rayn. Why would he say he wouldn’t kill us when his partner is 100% sure on killing us? I am the best scum player in this player list. I do not let confirmed townies live when they are this easy to find, and if I had complete info like I would as scum I would have identified tube instantly. It took me several hours as town to narrow it down to slam & tube (hence my really weird conditional scum read on slam during that cycle) but as scum I’m certain I would have called that shot because tube’s posts were really blatant. It would’ve gotten rid of a confirmed townie and I would’ve just eaten the suspicion afterward because I love attention as scum. This why also I didn’t read into the Vivax nor tube kills (they were both very clearly attempts at mason hunting) and the fact that Pandain is digging this up now is really damning. Anyway. “TS kill makes no sense” when he was literally only one of 3 candidates for mason is straight up horseshit. On August 04 2019 21:22 Eywa- wrote: It looked almost certain that Koshi was dead, so it's likely that he was bussed. Which I fucked up by flipping on FeFe No. I seriously doubt Koshi is scum here. Firstly, he got pushed on d2 when Chezinu was the alternate (actually don’t even remember who was on the block before Koshi & Chez got shoved in there but anyway) Let’s say koshi is scum. That means that at this point: On July 28 2019 04:42 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two Vote Count Chezinu (5): Koshi (3): NoSmurfHere (2): Alakaslam (2): Eywa, Eywa (0): Meapak_Ziphh (0): Pandain (0): Tubesock (0): FecalFeast (0): Chezinu is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is Saturday, Jul 27 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Scum was literally 100% fine with him dying because there are at least two scum on him. This is very very strange because I barely gave a proper reason to vote him, I was just like hey why don’t we kill Koshi and Eversince was super gung-ho about it. Then both MZ & Pandain joined. At 5-3, when we know now that MZ is scum and at least one of ES/Pandain is scum, why would scum risk Koshi becoming a viable wagon again unless he was town? They had no idea whether we would get cold feet on Chezinu and then go back to Koshi. It’s impossible to predict. On day 3 they essentially did the same thing again and kept lamenting that Koshi didn’t get lynched. He’s literally been the steadiest read for mafia since d2 and only in the last hour has Pandain dropped him as a target. There is lots of other evidence that Koshi is not scum, mostly in interactions with MZ and other players. The simplest answer is that we put up town after town for lynch, and mafia never had to bus. It’s Pandain & Eversince. None of their votes, opinions, or stories stand up to even minimal scrutiny. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 21:46 Pandain wrote: Why would you think mafia are trying to snipe the mason day 1 or day 2? Sure it's possible, but it's also possible they're trying to shoot people who are on the right track, or genuinely looked in as town, or trying to mindgame people, etc... Hold on a second So I am scum. Tube admits to wanting to tunnel me for the rest of the game, after rayn gets lynched (NIGHT ONE) And scum, rather than mason hunting, shoots Vivax for “being on the right track” or whatever other stupid reason which makes 0 sense because there’s a fucking confirmed townie floating around in a pool of 3 players and everyone knows that (and Vivax is conveniently in that pool) Why wouldn’t I just go for the two for one deal and shoot tube on n1???? Vivax’s reads were “look into HF and Pandain” and he fingered you and Coag. If I were scum and you are town here why the fuck would I tell people to stop reading into that kill, and give you and Coag breathing room, because I believed it to be a shitty mason hunting attempt, rather than just naturally pushing suspicion and letting the speculation run wild? I don’t purposely make my own game harder as scum, that’s straight up moronic and against my own wincondition. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 21:48 Pandain wrote: And also for someone who says they "Read the entire game" you missed one of my two only posts last day cycle where I said Koshi is pretty likely town. Nope. Didn’t miss it. You speculated on you being alive (why in the fuck would scum ever shoot you, even if it’s Koshi? You’ve literally done nothing all game) meaning Koshi was scum after it was obvious no one was biting the Koshi push. Mafia play was to try to mislynch one of Branch or Koshi as proven by the lone votes from you and MZ. Your vote was inconsequential and is one of several scum claims you’ve now made during LYLO. Also you’re the only one encouraging nonsense speculation from the night kills when as town we don’t stand to benefit from that speculation. I think you’re a plenty smart town player, probably one of the smartest in this player list so I highly doubt you can be town here, regardless of how much you may have IRL excuses for your inactivity. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 22:02 Eywa- wrote: That's actually hilarious because I think as scum, tubesock is probably the first (maybe only) player i would killed out of the night kills, so they are indeed weird. I think it's Pandain and Koshi. Koshi is not scum here... Million times it’s ES & Pandain. Read my exchange with ES from earlier. No town ES makes those mistakes. In fact the whole “I mixed up d3 and d4” shit was a second scum slip, because HF pushed Chezinu on DAY TWO. She mixed up day 2 and day 4 (how????) and basically straight up admitted she didn’t reeval at all after Chezinu AND FF got lynched. Complete nonparticipant when MZ got lynched too. You don’t leave a player like that alive at LYLO. Both of them have proven themselves multiple times in the last two cycles to be the only liabilities to town left. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 04 2019 16:52 Eversince wrote: @Bugs- Ok, you are right.. I mix D4/ D3 My fault there. We agree on Pandain then. Yes I have been m!Koshi for past few cycles really? What's there more to say about Eywa? I did comment on his play and what I thought about it several times?? Did you miss it? I'm not sure where you get I'm super confident either.. I wouldn't be asking for opinions if I was super sure on my reads. I've been wrong literally this entire game. So I'm trying to use others as sounding board to re-evaluate reads.. Eywa I was saying it's very wrong that he came in, pushed Rayn to death, went afk (for wedding), and fell off a damn cliff for rest of game. What has Eywa done since Rayn lynch? Not a darn thing. I'm not scum, I'm doing my damn best to try to show it to you. you're being as dense as me here.. I've said before I don't vote for pressure! You can read my post, what the actual muck does a bolded vote mean anything 20 hr out from deadline? (hint: not a darn thing). If you read through my older games like you said you where tempted to do you 'd know this already. LOOK AT THIS Like she claims that HF pushing Chezinu prevented her from dying (????????) Then I point out that HF was already dead when she was getting votes. She says “oh whoops mixed up d3 and d4 lol” So then when did FF die?? Did she completely fucking miss a cycle of the game?? How in the fuck does any townie forget literally 144+ hours of the game? How is that even possible if she did reevals on THREE of her scumreads dying in a row??? -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 05 2019 02:15 Eversince wrote: For fucks sake, next time I try to sub into a game someone slap me! NSH like it or not you'll see the error in thinking I can't be this way as town post game. I've repeatedly said (not just in games either I think) my memory is dumpster tier  ! This makes me look like scum so be it. At this point I do wonder why the heck you are still alive unless mafia left you AGAIN to lead a wrong lynch. You NOT seeing this is dirty as my jumpsuit after 9 loads of pigs! I'm going to put an olive branch out here and say we vote Pandain, people can take it or leave it, I am willing to give you one more cycle but if I die game is 100% over. If people think I have a chance of flipping mafia just lynch me and end this charade already. I won't even be around next cycles unless I can renew hotspot so if ES is a ? for anyone it's literally pointless to continue here. Nice. Setting yourself up to switch to vote us I see You’ve done a lot of talking and no doing. Either vote Pandain and “extend the olive branch” so-to-speak or just get your charade over with and vote us with your scumbuddy Pandain. If you’re smart you’ll bus here because it gives Eywa and Koshi a chance to fight each other but hey, to each their own Also I’m not sure if we have actually led any mislynches this game. I by definition haven’t because I haven’t voted, but: Our vote on rayn didn’t matter. He went and killed himself HF led the vote on Chezinu and by the looks of it, 8 townies killed him. I was aligned with scum in defending Chezinu as not the best lynch, again by what I can tell We switched to FF over Koshi (this you could argue led to his death but other players also switched) and I didn’t care who died that day And then we killed a scum MZ with Koshi & branch & Eywa. What have you done this game again? Forgotten which cycle you were up for lynch? Forgotten that HF killed Chezinu on day 2? Watched 3 supposed scum reads flip and done 0 reeval? Wasted your vote in the first round of LYLO? Cool story. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 05 2019 02:57 Eversince wrote: Bugs how do you even get to that conclusion? Literally alls I had to do there as mafia is bullshit some reason to vote you. I find it odd that your alive, your still convinced that your 100% right on my lynch when if your not mafia they had to leave you alive for a freaking reason. I put middle ground here because I don't think your the scum here, and you say it's me setting up for a vote switch? Why the hell would I suggest votes other than me/you then? Why would you adopt the exact same rhetoric as Pandain and then claim you want to vote him? There is not a world in which we can be scum with Pandain but those are the two choices you have just implied. Literally only scum could get that dichotomy after you called us lock-town just a few hours ago. I’m willing to accept the sliver of a chance you have played a horrible town game here because your play is literally indistinguishable from scum. Neither Eywa nor Koshi have done anything nearly as bad as you, neither of them look as bad by association, and neither of them wasted their vote in LYLO round 1 and are poised to do it again in LYLO round 2. That you are even arguing with me here about why mafia left us alive instead of just voting Pandain is proof you are scum. We are not confirmed town and never were. Only scum know why they left us alive, and only scum would care to muddy the water with why we are alive when the 100% obvious non-speculatory signs point to us not being scum. I also don’t care what the outcome of this game is because I’ve already gleaned my personal satisfaction from it. If I’m wrong on either you or Pandain, it doesn’t matter to me because you both would have played really awfully to have done all of the things you’ve done esp. in the last two cycles. And if you both are scum and we get lynched then I was right and the loss isn’t really our fault anyway guilt tripping is only an effective strategy if it has any hope of changing your opponent’s mind and I have 0 guilt this game.-wherebugsgo | ||
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Why is it so hard to just vote then? You had no problem doing this when you were trying to kill Koshi instead of Chezinu. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 05 2019 03:20 Eversince wrote: Like my goodness, how hard is it to see. You are alive still. Mafia leave universal TR by EVERYONE alive? (mostly the reason people are voting you now??) You aren't even considering the fact that if t!NSH is STILL ALIVE here it's because mafia want to let him push through a lynch. It's super funny that the hammer is MINE right now. You finding it scummy that I don't HAMMER YOU shouldn't be 'Oh, m!ES is just setting up vote switch back to me later', I said earlier 'you never get voted off today'. Granted you got votes since then but I had nothing to do with it.. But it's totally m!ES trying to lynch you here?? *roll eyes* how exactly? I've literally done nothing but defend you this game.. I'm STILL doing it! But no, I'm mafia trying to setup lynch on you somehow? Stop being dense Mr. 'best mafia player in list ever'. Pull your head out of the dirt and re-think this. That’s cause you’re scum and you know the townies will pounce you for changing your read Sucks to be trapped, doesn’t it? You and Pandain both wasted your votes yesterday, at LYLO. For Koshi to be scum, that means scum wasted minimum two votes because Koshi & MZ could have voted branch off the island with you & Pandain. I’m gonna quote you back at yourself: On August 02 2019 14:12 Eversince wrote: Meh, I'm probably never going to not vote Koshi. He's 100% mafia in my mind and I'm tired of lynching into 'partners' Let's hang him already zz.. More lies, I'm a loose scum read now? After D3 OMGUS and calling me scum for the past 48+ hours? Really? I'm just POE though guys. Just POE. *sigh* I'm done.. We can't risk mis-lynch and Koshi is just mafia. Branch is runner up but re-previous statement, I rather just burn Koshi. I don't think Eywa is scum for same reasons I said yesterday. You guys convince me and maby I'll change my read but I don't see it x.x NSH still super town. Points about mafia leaving him alive to push lynches through is worth looking into. Depending on how long I'm up tonight I'm try to look into NSH mafia reads and who's +1'ing them and trying to lead him to decisions. HF kill makes plenty of sense, Slam dis-owning Koshi and pushing away might have scared mafia team to get rid of him. Not sure on this one yet though. Both options viable in my head right now. Leaves between MZ/Pandain. I've spent a fair amount of time waffling on Pandain, MZ I don't really remember outside of a few of his larger cases. I'm think on this for a while, I'm not sure who out of the pair is the mafia.. I'll filter some point tonight or tomorrow and try to figure out between them. So if you believe you are town and are not sure Pandain is town, that means you think in LYLO that scum didn’t mislynch with potentially TWO TOWNIES indicating that they’d vote incorrectly. It means they literally preemptively bussed MZ just for shits and giggles when literally the exact same 4 players had hammered you already. That is so unbelievable I don’t even have words for it. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 05 2019 03:23 Eversince wrote: Okokok.... Just to re-iterate myself. I do not use votes as leverage. If you can't read the damn thread and know where my vote is going by my logic, I see no reason to make vote half way into the day because it's just saying WHAT I'VE ALREADY FUCKING SAID. So yes, I hold my vote until EOD most of the time because it's pointless to me for casting it earlier. It's literally only a statement I said this, I said this AGAIN!! If you can't understand that by now then your hopeless. I'm not going to say it again. All I see is “I’m doing anti-town selfish play #1 in LYLO because I’m scum and don’t know where my vote is ending up” You should learn how to play scum better. I can coach you lol -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 05 2019 03:26 Eversince wrote: Assume for a second I'm town. Mafia already knows this. Worked though didn't it? Lose MZ win game. *sigh* Riiiight. If you’re town you would’ve just died yesterday because MZ would have voted you instead of splitting the vote. You literally don’t even know that’s the entire reason we killed him. He also fucked up and voted branch instead of you. What a mystery that is, indeed, when MZ flipped scum and could’ve easily consolidated the lynch with vote #5 on you. You didn’t think this one very far through though did you? You thought HF was alive and saved you by killing Chezinu LOL -wherebugsgo | ||
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Imagine two people getting the same weird fact completely wrong by coincidence. -J | ||
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On August 05 2019 03:35 Eversince wrote: Literally the only reason you are still alive Jock is a) t!NSH is lynching into town and mafia are confident he will do it again (he is) b) NSH is mafia. Those are the only reasons why you are still alive. Bullshit! That was why we were still alive yesterday. Now that mafia knows we used that yesterday to work out MZ was mafia (go read yesterday now if you didn't before) they can use this as WIFOM whenever they want, and its just fantastic that you and pandain seem to be pushing it anyway despite this obvious shit that i shouldn't have to point out. -J | ||
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