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On August 03 2019 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Four Vote Count
Meapak_Ziphh (6): Eywa, NoSmurfHere, Koshi, Branch.AUT, Pandain, Eversince
Branch.AUT (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Eversince (0): NoSmurfHere, Koshi, Branch.AUT, Eywa
Koshi (0): Pandain
Meapak_Ziphh is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is Friday, Aug 02 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
The blue votes didn’t matter, and Meapak threw his vote on Branch.
The two options are that one of Eywa/Koshi bussed and one of Eywa/Koshi did not bus.
All the info is here and I’m just too lazy/tired to process it.
I was wrong on yesterday, Eversince technically did get hammered by Eywa but then Eywa was also the first to move to MZ. Would scum do that regardless of Eversince’s alignment? I find it unlikely.
Just FYI that is afk for a while since he said he felt burnt out so it’s just me for the next ~24 hours. After that we swap though because I board a couple flights home.
Anyway once again Occam’s razor is pointing to “no bus” but I’m the only one who thinks this. I also do agree that it would be a really all-in move by scum and that in theory it’s not likely but the vote patterns don’t line up with either Eywa or Koshi being scum.
-wherebugsgo
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*that Jock is afk
Does anyone think Pandain is town here?
-wherebugsgo
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@ Bugs
#2161 Makes sense if mafia thought they could maintain lynch on me. They can't because anyone voting where your not voting is just outing themselves. It looked like they tried to push me through but you screwed there plan there when MZ became lynch.Pandains throwaway vote (you already mention this so I won't re-hash) looks bad because he 180's his perspective for apparently no reason at all.. So I can totes see bus here. It's just lack luster because they don't want to hard stance on it. Eywa would be the exception for pushing MZ D1 I think? But Eywa never does anything more with MZ after that.
Answer your post under that about Pandain: I waffle Pandain every game! He always manages to look mafia to me somehow so I try to to emphasize on it too much but he's been toeing dirt for a while now. He comes around and puts up some easy case (town playing like trash makes it easy for scum to make legit sounding case against), or spouts some useless conversation, then he goes back to afk land.. Which is problematic. I already said I'd lynch into him if someone can make a viable case because I can't because I just honest can't read Pandain better than a feather stands it's ground in a hurricane  ..
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damn auto correct, *Try not to emphasize* in the Pandain thingy 
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This is the only game I’ve played with Pandain where I did not really townread him. This is an exception to the other two (?) games I’ve played/watched where essentially everyone else thought he was scum and I defended him. I basically had him at “wait and see” all game and he is still doing nothing, wasted his vote, had weird read progressions. I think that points to him being scum, just never seen his scum play before and can’t be arsed to go read past games ATM.
Eywa voting us is throwing me off. His vote on MZ aligns with his opinion from early game and I do think of all the bus possibilities it’s the most likely. I just saw him as townish based on the vote/unvote pattern.
Koshi you think it’s E&E, why is Pandain town here?
-wherebugsgo
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Eversince I want you to commit to a vote right now.
Prove that you can pull your own weight and that you are town. Your vote hasn’t mattered once this game.
Like whoever the two townies are besides us, you need to step it the fuck up. I’m obviously asking a lot because literally no one has given two fucks this game with the exception of Jock and it’s sad that we can’t just win the game ourselves because we weren’t lucky enough to roll blue.
-wherebugsgo
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Eywa just being a pain in the butt is par the course. I've been hesitant to say it's m!Eywa agenda because I played a game as scum recently and t!Eywa was just the same un-negotiable pain in the butt. But the difference I suppose at least that game he did put in some work. That's not happening this game at all. Look at his D1 vs everything else since then. It's completely different.
You point on Pandain is exactly why I'm more leaving it up in the air to let others read Pandain. Pandain's play style just looks dirty to me all the time. I can't read him well ever so I just end up tunnel on him or I ignore it. That's bad of me here I know, but it's true :/.. Like every other game I find Pandain very questionable. If someone else can lay out analysis on him that would be great because I always fail to get it ..
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On August 04 2019 14:02 Eversince wrote:Eywa just being a pain in the butt is par the course. I've been hesitant to say it's m!Eywa agenda because I played a game as scum recently and t!Eywa was just the same un-negotiable pain in the butt. But the difference I suppose at least that game he did put in some work. That's not happening this game at all. Look at his D1 vs everything else since then. It's completely different. You point on Pandain is exactly why I'm more leaving it up in the air to let others read Pandain. Pandain's play style just looks dirty to me all the time. I can't read him well ever so I just end up tunnel on him or I ignore it. That's bad of me here I know, but it's true :/.. Like every other game I find Pandain very questionable. If someone else can lay out analysis on him that would be great because I always fail to get it ..
I don’t fucking understand what conclusion you are drawing. Like ever. Can you actually take a stance??
From your perspective it seems like you think we are town. Do you think Koshi is scum or not?
Work with me here, seriously if you are town this waffling is not helping. You look like you are the only person putting any effort in besides us at this moment and I can’t tell if it’s because you’re scum and about to die or if it’s because you’re town and you’re genuinely confused.
Pick two names right now. Or assign percentages. Or just pick one person. Idgaf. Right now you’re giving no indication on who you’d actually vote and that’s the only thing that matters. You have one vote. If you can’t put down thoughts on the other 3 all at once then everything else and pick the one person you would kill at this very moment.
-wherebugsgo
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I am also kinda curious as to why you are still alive.. mafia only ever let you live into this cycle because your pushing lynch onto town here right? (IE: me) And you've been driving force since N3 on lynches, so mafia obvious want you to push through the last ML for them because they don't have town following. Which Koshi/Branch/Eywa/ Pandain all fit there. If I give Koshi the benefit of doubt this cycle because of reason above, then Eywa/Pandain are left. Which would line up ok I guess, I haven't been active on this forum much but I know I'm hard to read and I change my generic meta as either alignment basically every game .. I do think it's more likely that Koshi is just mafia though, but I'm willing to hear other sides right now because I don't want to lose!
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On August 04 2019 14:07 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 14:02 Eversince wrote:Eywa just being a pain in the butt is par the course. I've been hesitant to say it's m!Eywa agenda because I played a game as scum recently and t!Eywa was just the same un-negotiable pain in the butt. But the difference I suppose at least that game he did put in some work. That's not happening this game at all. Look at his D1 vs everything else since then. It's completely different. You point on Pandain is exactly why I'm more leaving it up in the air to let others read Pandain. Pandain's play style just looks dirty to me all the time. I can't read him well ever so I just end up tunnel on him or I ignore it. That's bad of me here I know, but it's true :/.. Like every other game I find Pandain very questionable. If someone else can lay out analysis on him that would be great because I always fail to get it .. I don’t fucking understand what conclusion you are drawing. Like ever. Can you actually take a stance?? From your perspective it seems like you think we are town. Do you think Koshi is scum or not? Work with me here, seriously if you are town this waffling is not helping. You look like you are the only person putting any effort in besides us at this moment and I can’t tell if it’s because you’re scum and about to die or if it’s because you’re town and you’re genuinely confused. Pick two names right now. Or assign percentages. Or just pick one person. Idgaf. Right now you’re giving no indication on who you’d actually vote and that’s the only thing that matters. You have one vote. If you can’t put down thoughts on the other 3 all at once then everything else and pick the one person you would kill at this very moment. -wherebugsgo
I can't pick just two because of reasons I just said (I am confused because none of this play makes sense from town)
But three;
Koshi: Same reasons as I hasted out in detail many times before, won't rehash unless you you want short sum. Ontop of those his 'going to read ES' -> never reads ES -> 'ES confirm mafia' is so nitpicking that it's so terrible in lylo I can't see town doing this ever. If you admit to not reading my post, say you will go back and do so, then label me mafia WITHOUT doing that in freaking LYLO then you are 1) super trash tier town and I'm going to rage at you so hard post game b) mafia.
Eywa: Pushed Rayn super hard D1, ghosted D2, promised activity after returning from wedding (cause absent D2), never did that, be comepletely irrelevant rest of game to date. Not the egotistical brute that I played with before. It was there on D1, and it's been fain after, like nothing Eywa does is solidifying into anything. Where did that fire from D1 go? It's just completely gone.
Pandain: Mostly useless this entire game. He puts easy cases on easy shit town. It's easy to put together a case on a town (IE look at MZ FF case, completely reasonable, because FF town play this game was garbage and everyone wanted to lynch) It looks really wierd to me because he just goes with what looks to be thread sentiment says 'this guy could be easy kill' -> 'case' -> 'Oh look how useful I am!!' When he really hasn't put anything new he's just running town sentiment and putting us to do mafia's job for him. MZ did this same thing.
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So pick a townie instead of picking a scum?
We are lock town. I can guess as to why scum left us alive (probably MZ voting/hard pushing branch -> they felt they probably will never lynch him but beyond this no idea) but that makes the game easier for you. If you’re indeed town, out of 3 names you just have to pick one, the one other townie OR the one person you’d kill today.
I actually don’t get why it’s so hard for you to pick a single name because it’s literally your only job. I’m so bothered by it I might actually go read your past games because I don’t remember you being this waffly when I was scum and you got lynched as town gunsmith.
-wherebugsgo
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Go right ahead, but like I just say, I change my meta basically every game, been mia from site (no net in when I'm home in Philippines) so it might not help you .. I only pointed to past games to show I can be low active and I don't lie about not being able to play. People were using that as a point against me and it's super bad.
If I had to choose right now, It's probably Koshi/Eywa. Pandain is rather useless but he's not driving factor. Also when I tried to move lynch away from Chezinu Pandain was only other that was with me in that. Even though I was still scum reading him at the time, I think I have to give him some lead way because of it. I could call it TMI but unless it's just m!Pand trying to score town points (obvious failure) then why did he not just push into it? And Pand didn't jump on me either iirc when I was for lynch and mafia could of just tried to hard push me and won last cycle. So that's where I am at. Hopefully this makes sense :d..
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ugh. Good thing I’m going to sleep and on a flight tomorrow cause flipping a coin is good enough for me at this point LOL.
I’m still in the mood of not really giving any fucks who dies or what the result of the game is. Telling apart bad townies from scum is hard and this game essentially everyone played anti-town. Again, with the exception of Jock, who has now burned out.
I wanna keep ranting cause it’s cathartic LOL. I enjoyed the game for the most part though, no real toxicity, just your average town and average scum teams.
I want grack to give out awards for “most anti-town plays in the game” cause I think that would be hilarious. Who would win?? I think you could nominate everyone for something. Here’s my nominations:
1.) award for generally not giving a fuck, me (didn’t reread, didn’t look at past games, didn’t vote, didn’t really care who died, didn’t care who won, ranted several times, shit posted)
2.) award for biggest role wastage - Chezinu or Rayn? Pretty close one here. Actually I also wish Tube had just claimed mason and then tried to rally town around him for the one cycle. We could’ve had a circle going.
3.) award for causing the most chaos - damn it Holyflare LOLOL. I actually just chuckled thinking back to d2
4.) award for most game-irrelevant posts - probably slam lol. I enjoyed them though. Maybe next time I’m in California I’ll have time to visit LA, it’ll be my last trip for quite a while since I’m switching jobs next year (probably)
5.) award for the least game impact - probably Pandain. Done nothing at all regardless of alignment, at least in-thread if scum.
6.) award for the most confusing - branch. Schrödinger’s noob lololol
7.) award for the most waffly: Eversince. You’ve got 4 other players alive, and if you’re town then half are scum and half are town. But you want to hear “other people’s opinions” on players (aka Pandain) still. wat
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-wherebugsgo
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Aww come on Bugs. If me wanting opinions from other people when the players I'm scum reading by myself basic at lylo is questionable then sheesh! But I won't dispute Eversince most waffle TL player 2019! 
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Of course thread is dead when I am available T.T..
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On August 04 2019 14:59 Eversince wrote:Aww come on Bugs. If me wanting opinions from other people when the players I'm scum reading by myself basic at lylo is questionable then sheesh! But I won't dispute Eversince most waffle TL player 2019!
Whose opinion on Pandain would actually even make you sure that Pandain is scum?
How can you make a case on a player who has literally had 0 impact on the game and barely posted at all?
Also why did you conveniently leave out the fact that MZ was also counter to the chezinu push? He voted Koshi with you and Pandain.
Anyway. I’ll probably reread MZ’s filter a couple more times but on my first reread I couldn’t shake the thought that literally the three of you are just mafia here. MZ hard defended you for no particular reason at all. He replied to Koshi in a way that implied he thinks it’s the “last day” which he’d only do if he thought he could kill a townie (you could make the argument that he thought he’d die and he was faking sounding like a townie but IIRC he wasn’t at risk of dying at that point? It was fairly early in the day)
Then there’s the fact that MZ had direct interactions with literally all four of us, Eywa, Koshi, and Branch and none with you and Pandain. Literally didn’t quote a single post from either of you all game. Used host WIFOM to clear you of being a scum replacement but painted branch as the scum replacement. We were left alive and MZ spent the most time trying to convince us to kill Koshi, which on paper to a scum player who hates playing scum probably makes sense because we actively pushed Koshi on d2 in opposition to the Chez wagon, and it’s tempting to think we wouldn’t reevaluate from a scum perspective because scum rarely reevaluate themselves.
If Eywa on MZ was early distancing that turned into a bus, no idea why MZ held off on OMGUS unless he didn’t want to draw attention to it. He interacted with Eywa in ways that I find make it unlikely they were scum together, and if they were distancing from the start I find it more likely they would’ve made the pushing in both directions and not cared about OMGUS because such an early setup from scum is generally designed to throw a lot of chaos into the thread. No offense to MZ but he doesn’t strike me as the type of player to plan scum plays like that well in advance.
Pandain: also literally no direct interaction with you nor MZ, except I think exactly once when you both voted Chezinu. Tons of direct interactions with branch, us, Koshi, Eywa, HF, slam, etc etc. The town Pandain I know tries to figure out the game and I think this would apply even when lacking time. No idea why town Pandain would say you’re playing different from what he’s seen as both alignments and then just do fuck all about it, instead just rail on Koshi for 3 cycles straight.
And you, eversince: read progression makes no sense particularly on Eywa. Straight up admit to not wanting to kill anyone except Koshi and that Eywa was lock town earlier in the game but now suddenly unsure on Eywa. Again basically no interactions with Pandain or MZ but tons of interactions with other players. Said for days (like 6 at this point?) that you’d read MZ/Pandain but still haven’t done it.
e.g:
On July 28 2019 03:29 Eversince wrote:
@HF
Koshi- because he plays like a blind sheep, really odd buddying with people, random shit fights, unoriginal reads.
Pandain- Was generally useless early, has some better points now but I don't agree with most of them. I'll look into him closer again since it looks like he isn't possible today anyway.
Slam- Generally everywhere, activety is only useful if your doing stuff with it (which for the most part is kind of meh to me right now), the constant 'woe is me' appeals to emotion are just super bleh after you've done it entire game. Then he just burns town for no reason because he's 'had enough'
Chez- Been useless literally entire game
And you’re saying I overestimate your ability to read LOL
If until now your only scumread was Koshi then you have literally no excuse for spending so much time on the game waffling for no reason when you can just park your vote on Koshi and ignore him & then filter Pandain & MZ to figure out the rest of the game.
Anyway. If either Koshi or Eywa here are scum they really deserve the win because that means they faked a shit ton of interactions that when I read look really genuine, while the three of you/Pandain/MZ basically literally never interact with each other and have the weirdest posts in relation to each other. The only reason there is any doubt is because people are WIFOMing over “scum must have bussed here” and no one is doing any rereading (except me now)
I find it far more likely that given the direction of the game and the sheer number of times we put TvT on the board, scum team thought they could just railroad another mislynch through.
Keeping us alive was a good play on paper especially if MZ thought we were malleable due to me saying that he was making sense + us agreeing with the Koshi push on d2 when the other 3 pushing Koshi would have been scum. Might as well push an alternate who never flips if there are 8 townies killing Chez.
-wherebugsgo
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Like it’s literally almost guaranteed two scum voted Koshi d2 because the voters on Koshi were:
MZ Pandain Eversince
The only way it is only one scum is if Koshi & Eywa are scum together. To that I call 100% bullshit.
-wherebugsgo
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Anyway I’m lock on ES & Pandain here. If Jock has a different opinion he can vote elsewhere but I’m bowing out now. I’ve said all that I need to.
Eywa & Koshi just sheep Jock. We hopefully win after flipping ES & Pandain. If not then gg whichever one of you is scum, you deserve the win 100% cause you both posted several things that seem borderline impossible as scum.
-wherebugsgo
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@ Bugs
Ok, I'm tired so apologies in advance if this seems short.
Literally any of the people I town read on right now would help my Pandain read. I've said 65536 *crash* number of times I can't read Pandain. He's always scum looking to me. I want other people to lay out what they see so I can judge based on more than my 'Goodness Pandain look like mafia like he does every game to me'..
MZ not interacting with me I can't answer. I'm not MZ, I'm not mafia, I don't know what they were thinking. Best I can come up with off top of mind is I came off town enough early game ( but super low activety, so easy ML later), so mafia ignore me early. And if they tried to hammer me, HF literally saved me by pushing onto Chezinu. Which sucked for town but it gives us a chance still at least.
Mafia team gave the lynch on me away because of HF, now with MZ flipping I look terrible and they'll still win if I get pushed through. Which is easy for even bad scum to get, I'm lose hotspot tomorrow night (unless I get lucky can renew) Which means I'm not even going to be around to defend myself. Just lynch ES and win the game which mafia cares losing MZ if it guarantee town lynch?
I've had mafia reads on tons more than Koshi -.-.. FF, Chez, Koshi, Pandain, MZ, etc. I can't park my vote on Koshi if the rest of town isn't. It's better to consolidate than be out in the bleacher for nothing. And I DID filter Pandain. I made a post about it. I filtered MZ much later but now I get flack for re-evaluating reads. Lots of good that did me huh?
And just to make sure I got this right..
You're going to lynch me because Pandain/MZ/ES didn't 'interact'? What the actual fuck man. I already said I wasn't posting things that I didn't have much original thought to contribute. How is me spamming up the thread rehashing BS crap a reason I'm mafia here? I want an answer because this is just such BS.. If mafia don't interact with me (they don't have to. I'm stupid busy, and everyone has been poking at it early on anyway. So just ignore and then lynch t!ES for game) I can't do a damn thing about it!!
Keeping you alive only makes sense if your going to push their lynch through. Which you are currently doing.. Otherwise why would mafia leave a basic 'lock t! NSH' alive in this long? Unless you are just mafia. I don't think that is true but if it is, my goodness man excellent play because you are never getting lynched this game !
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Literally any of the people I town read on right now would help my Pandain read
Who?
Already laid out my case. Did nothing all game and no attempt to figure out game. Not like town Pandain. Near zero proper interactions with MZ and most convenient flop on him ever. Completely irrelevant at LYLO even though he won the game for town by correctly identifying the last scum in the last game I played with him. You can trust my read because I actually defend Pandain when he’s town and I have confidence in reading him. See the game I’m talking about, Uninspired, here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/545657-uninspired-mafia
And if they tried to hammer me, HF literally saved me by pushing onto Chezinu. Which sucked for town but it gives us a chance still at least.
No idea what the fuck you’re talking about here because you didn’t receive a single vote the day Chezinu died
Mafia team gave the lynch on me away because of HF, now with MZ flipping I look terrible and they'll still win if I get pushed through. Which is easy for even bad scum to get, I'm lose hotspot tomorrow night (unless I get lucky can renew) Which means I'm not even going to be around to defend myself. Just lynch ES and win the game which mafia cares losing MZ if it guarantee town lynch?
same thing here, hf was dead yesterday and had nothing to do with you being voted or MZ dying
I've had mafia reads on tons more than Koshi -.-.. FF, Chez, Koshi, Pandain, MZ, etc. I can't park my vote on Koshi if the rest of town isn't. It's better to consolidate than be out in the bleacher for nothing. And I DID filter Pandain. I made a post about it. I filtered MZ much later but now I get flack for re-evaluating reads. Lots of good that did me huh?
Given that only Koshi and Pandain are alive now no idea what happened to your previous certainty. If you want consolidation and you believe we’re town no idea why you haven’t said jack shit yet about Eywa voting us
And just to make sure I got this right..
You're going to lynch me because Pandain/MZ/ES didn't 'interact'? What the actual fuck man. I already said I wasn't posting things that I didn't have much original thought to contribute. How is me spamming up the thread rehashing BS crap a reason I'm mafia here? I want an answer because this is just such BS.. If mafia don't interact with me (they don't have to. I'm stupid busy, and everyone has been poking at it early on anyway. So just ignore and then lynch t!ES for game) I can't do a damn thing about it!!
This says nothing
Can you name another player who MZ didn’t interact with? Can you name another player who Pandain didn’t interact with?
Do scum who don’t like playing scum like MZ typically interact with their teammates a lot?
Keeping you alive only makes sense if your going to push their lynch through. Which you are currently doing.. Otherwise why would mafia leave a basic 'lock t! NSH' alive in this long? Unless you are just mafia. I don't think that is true but if it is, my goodness man excellent play because you are never getting lynched this game !
So then Koshi is scum right, according to you?
Like, you appear so confident but can’t even put the basic shit together. If we are lock town pushing a mislynch then automatically Koshi should become your vote and you only need to convince us to kill Koshi. But you know you can’t do that because Koshi isn’t actually scum here.
Like seriously. The 2 and 2 is that scum is leaving us alive because we supposedly telegraphed that we’d kill you yesterday. Cool. Then anyone who votes with us on you is almost assuredly scum because you are apparently one of the other townies. And I suppose Eywa is also scum according to you because he’s voting us, a lock town.
So why haven’t you reached this conclusion yet???
Literally the only explanation is that you are scum because your options are still wide open even though you keep saying things that logically imply you should have voted already.
-wherebugsgo
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