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Pandain
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Pandain
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But it's also clear to me that with how weird all these night kills have been that there's something that we are all missing. I think also the TS makes absolutely no sense (who stated he will "tunnel hydra until I die") assuming that town Koshi, HF, and a bunch of other active players were still in the game. | ||
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Pandain
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Pandain
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But right now my vote is going to stay on Jugs. Just through briefly skimming the past few pages it seems like the ES lynch is too easy a setup. I'm just going to now trust in the collective wisdom of past townies, and the fact I believe that no scum has ever voted for Jugs (even though he has been a serious lynch candidate three consecutive times in a row). The TS lynch makes no sense, and the night kills make no sense unless we are missing something. But Jugs being mafia explains that. | ||
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Pandain
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 04 2019 15:44 NoSmurfHere wrote: Like it’s literally almost guaranteed two scum voted Koshi d2 because the voters on Koshi were: MZ Pandain Eversince The only way it is only one scum is if Koshi & Eywa are scum together. To that I call 100% bullshit. -wherebugsgo It looked almost certain that Koshi was dead, so it's likely that he was bussed. Which I fucked up by flipping on FeFe | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
I’m sorry you guys are way worse at scum than me because I’m going to lay out why I would never in a million years make any of those kills at the times they happened, as scum. Because turns out, regardless of alignment, I read the game. It only that, Jock has also been reading the game the whole time and if we were scum together there is never a chance in a million years we’d have left Tube alive for a cycle longer than necessary. He would have been 100% dead night 1. Here’s why: 1. rayn flips MASON on day 1. This means that his partner becomes confirmed town on claim and is almost certainly in the list of voters with him, unless by chance rayn’s partner was completely AFK. It is not fake claimable by scum unless there was a scum voter with rayn. This turns up 3 candidates. Take a look at the vote count: On July 25 2019 02:43 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count Raynpelikoneet (5): Eywa, Holyflare, Koshi, Pandain, Meapak_Ziphh NoSmurfHere (4): Tubesock, Meapak_Ziphh (2): Coagulation (0): Holyflare (0): Not Voting (3): NoSmurfHere, Chezinu, Revelator Raynpelikoneet is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is Wednesday, Jul 24 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in (Our/Jock’s vote was actually inconsequential because the final margin was 2 votes) The three candidates obviously being: Slam Vivax Tube 2. Now every scum team member at that point was proven to be afk or not reading when they killed Vivax instead of tube, because they completely 100% missed the following posts: On July 25 2019 01:48 Vivax wrote: Reread NSH a bit, dont want to lynch any more. I think Pandain might be mafia but I dont have a slamdunk reason. Just something about how he approaches the game that feels offputting. On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really.. I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town. My advice is that you look into HF and pandain. Vivax would never do this if he were rayn’s partner. He’d defend rayn, and make sure he voted as a block with rayn. Why would he say he wouldn’t kill us when his partner is 100% sure on killing us? I am the best scum player in this player list. I do not let confirmed townies live when they are this easy to find, and if I had complete info like I would as scum I would have identified tube instantly. It took me several hours as town to narrow it down to slam & tube (hence my really weird conditional scum read on slam during that cycle) but as scum I’m certain I would have called that shot because tube’s posts were really blatant. It would’ve gotten rid of a confirmed townie and I would’ve just eaten the suspicion afterward because I love attention as scum. This why also I didn’t read into the Vivax nor tube kills (they were both very clearly attempts at mason hunting) and the fact that Pandain is digging this up now is really damning. Anyway. “TS kill makes no sense” when he was literally only one of 3 candidates for mason is straight up horseshit. On August 04 2019 21:22 Eywa- wrote: It looked almost certain that Koshi was dead, so it's likely that he was bussed. Which I fucked up by flipping on FeFe No. I seriously doubt Koshi is scum here. Firstly, he got pushed on d2 when Chezinu was the alternate (actually don’t even remember who was on the block before Koshi & Chez got shoved in there but anyway) Let’s say koshi is scum. That means that at this point: On July 28 2019 04:42 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two Vote Count Chezinu (5): Koshi (3): NoSmurfHere (2): Alakaslam (2): Eywa, Eywa (0): Meapak_Ziphh (0): Pandain (0): Tubesock (0): FecalFeast (0): Chezinu is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is Saturday, Jul 27 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Scum was literally 100% fine with him dying because there are at least two scum on him. This is very very strange because I barely gave a proper reason to vote him, I was just like hey why don’t we kill Koshi and Eversince was super gung-ho about it. Then both MZ & Pandain joined. At 5-3, when we know now that MZ is scum and at least one of ES/Pandain is scum, why would scum risk Koshi becoming a viable wagon again unless he was town? They had no idea whether we would get cold feet on Chezinu and then go back to Koshi. It’s impossible to predict. On day 3 they essentially did the same thing again and kept lamenting that Koshi didn’t get lynched. He’s literally been the steadiest read for mafia since d2 and only in the last hour has Pandain dropped him as a target. There is lots of other evidence that Koshi is not scum, mostly in interactions with MZ and other players. The simplest answer is that we put up town after town for lynch, and mafia never had to bus. It’s Pandain & Eversince. None of their votes, opinions, or stories stand up to even minimal scrutiny. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Pandain
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Pandain
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Answer this: You've been 100% universially townread for two nights now. You've survived both nights. WHy? | ||
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Pandain
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Given what I wrote above, that it's not at all a guarantee that mafia would try to find the mason, do you think my posts amount to a "scum claim"? What do you think I have done that is scummy besides being AFK (which I understand). | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 04 2019 21:47 Pandain wrote: Like in your own words mafia should have shot TS because he had a possibility to be confirmed town. Answer this: You've been 100% universially townread for two nights now. You've survived both nights. WHy? Like if you're town, you need to be seriously considering why you're alive. The fact that you're not is disconcerting. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9794 Posts
On August 04 2019 21:51 Pandain wrote: Like if you're town, you need to be seriously considering why you're alive. The fact that you're not is disconcerting. Read through yesterday again. I would suggest reading the bit where I wouldn't stop talking about the fact that we were still alive and shouldn't be, and that's why i scumread and suggest lynching MZ. If you can't be arsed reading the thread at all pandain don't bother trying to make a case it just looks fucking moronic. Also its making you look very much like mafia. Especially after your shitty MZ post yesterday. At this point, after I already talked for so long about what it meant yesterday that we weren't killed, its hard to see this as anything but WIFOM. Mafia saw we already changed our reads because they left us alive once, -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
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On August 04 2019 21:46 Pandain wrote: Why would you think mafia are trying to snipe the mason day 1 or day 2? Sure it's possible, but it's also possible they're trying to shoot people who are on the right track, or genuinely looked in as town, or trying to mindgame people, etc... Hold on a second So I am scum. Tube admits to wanting to tunnel me for the rest of the game, after rayn gets lynched (NIGHT ONE) And scum, rather than mason hunting, shoots Vivax for “being on the right track” or whatever other stupid reason which makes 0 sense because there’s a fucking confirmed townie floating around in a pool of 3 players and everyone knows that (and Vivax is conveniently in that pool) Why wouldn’t I just go for the two for one deal and shoot tube on n1???? Vivax’s reads were “look into HF and Pandain” and he fingered you and Coag. If I were scum and you are town here why the fuck would I tell people to stop reading into that kill, and give you and Coag breathing room, because I believed it to be a shitty mason hunting attempt, rather than just naturally pushing suspicion and letting the speculation run wild? I don’t purposely make my own game harder as scum, that’s straight up moronic and against my own wincondition. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 04 2019 20:47 Pandain wrote: It's obvious I have not been following this game closely. But it's also clear to me that with how weird all these night kills have been that there's something that we are all missing. I think also the TS makes absolutely no sense (who stated he will "tunnel hydra until I die") assuming that town Koshi, HF, and a bunch of other active players were still in the game. That's actually hilarious because I think as scum, tubesock is probably the first (maybe only) player i would killed out of the night kills, so they are indeed weird. I think it's Pandain and Koshi. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On August 04 2019 21:48 Pandain wrote: And also for someone who says they "Read the entire game" you missed one of my two only posts last day cycle where I said Koshi is pretty likely town. Nope. Didn’t miss it. You speculated on you being alive (why in the fuck would scum ever shoot you, even if it’s Koshi? You’ve literally done nothing all game) meaning Koshi was scum after it was obvious no one was biting the Koshi push. Mafia play was to try to mislynch one of Branch or Koshi as proven by the lone votes from you and MZ. Your vote was inconsequential and is one of several scum claims you’ve now made during LYLO. Also you’re the only one encouraging nonsense speculation from the night kills when as town we don’t stand to benefit from that speculation. I think you’re a plenty smart town player, probably one of the smartest in this player list so I highly doubt you can be town here, regardless of how much you may have IRL excuses for your inactivity. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Eywa-
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On August 04 2019 22:02 Eywa- wrote: That's actually hilarious because I think as scum, tubesock is probably the first (maybe only) player i would killed out of the night kills, so they are indeed weird. I think it's Pandain and Koshi. Koshi is not scum here... Million times it’s ES & Pandain. Read my exchange with ES from earlier. No town ES makes those mistakes. In fact the whole “I mixed up d3 and d4” shit was a second scum slip, because HF pushed Chezinu on DAY TWO. She mixed up day 2 and day 4 (how????) and basically straight up admitted she didn’t reeval at all after Chezinu AND FF got lynched. Complete nonparticipant when MZ got lynched too. You don’t leave a player like that alive at LYLO. Both of them have proven themselves multiple times in the last two cycles to be the only liabilities to town left. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On August 04 2019 16:52 Eversince wrote: @Bugs- Ok, you are right.. I mix D4/ D3 My fault there. We agree on Pandain then. Yes I have been m!Koshi for past few cycles really? What's there more to say about Eywa? I did comment on his play and what I thought about it several times?? Did you miss it? I'm not sure where you get I'm super confident either.. I wouldn't be asking for opinions if I was super sure on my reads. I've been wrong literally this entire game. So I'm trying to use others as sounding board to re-evaluate reads.. Eywa I was saying it's very wrong that he came in, pushed Rayn to death, went afk (for wedding), and fell off a damn cliff for rest of game. What has Eywa done since Rayn lynch? Not a darn thing. I'm not scum, I'm doing my damn best to try to show it to you. you're being as dense as me here.. I've said before I don't vote for pressure! You can read my post, what the actual muck does a bolded vote mean anything 20 hr out from deadline? (hint: not a darn thing). If you read through my older games like you said you where tempted to do you 'd know this already. LOOK AT THIS Like she claims that HF pushing Chezinu prevented her from dying (????????) Then I point out that HF was already dead when she was getting votes. She says “oh whoops mixed up d3 and d4 lol” So then when did FF die?? Did she completely fucking miss a cycle of the game?? How in the fuck does any townie forget literally 144+ hours of the game? How is that even possible if she did reevals on THREE of her scumreads dying in a row??? -wherebugsgo | ||
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