[N] Uninspired Mafia

On May 01 2019 08:35 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Rels because he avoids early game a lot as mafia.

On May 01 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
I think jock is mafia and bc is more mafia for defending(?? ? But also accusing???) him. Not much else to add really. Didn't even realise the game had even started.

On May 01 2019 09:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

So do you think Grack has the wrong idea with voting him?

On May 01 2019 09:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Scum has a pretty natural tendency towards appeasement when under pressure. I don't think scum's first reaction to being accused would be to shit on the entire player base of the website and boast about getting night killed in the last game. I feel pretty confident at reading butt-hurt and he reeks of butt-hurt townie to me.

On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote:


Out of character compared to when I was mafia?

On May 01 2019 10:12 wherebugsgo wrote:


when does not making sense = scum?

On May 01 2019 10:48 wherebugsgo wrote:


see your vote.

If you want to convince people that Jack is acting out of character you're gonna have to try harder. There are a whopping two games to base this on, and comparing to the town game I just don't see how you can come to this conclusion.

Jack clearly had at least a bit of an attitude and also self-awareness in the townie game:





So this I think tells us nothing.

There are other reasons I think which might be good to consider Jack scum but no one has really brought them up. Maybe I expect too much out of people too :p

On May 01 2019 09:17 wherebugsgo wrote:


I'm 99% sure at this point if I do absolutely nothing to push a different lynch, Jock will continue to get suspicion and probably die. I'm giving him outs and the benefit of the doubt because I'm not confident he's scum. Honestly to me the weirdest thing he's done so far has been his last exit:



Only for him to never come back. It's what, 1 am in the UK? So we can't really expect him to come back and defend himself any time soon.

Anyway, my opinion has always been that having a single wagon on day 1 is rarely good. No need for me to contribute to that if I see something better, anyway.

On May 01 2019 20:52 wherebugsgo wrote:


I wanted two things; one was to see whether Jock's tone and response style would be natural and the other would be whether he would actually tell me something believable. Given that Jock is very new I would expect some synthesis of Incognito's guide because he would have been bound to have read it recently. If he's town and someone in the game is asking him, I'd expect him to take the time to understand why (and reread if necessary) especially when I was indicating to him that if he didn't shape up he'd likely die. His response that followed afterward indicated that he probably lied, because even if you skim that guide literally the #1 takeaway for townies is to establish innocence. This is also why I phrased the question the way I did. Emphasis mine:



by itself I don't think the lie is super alignment-indicative, but the fact that Jock actually answered that question about the guide but chose not to provide reads, in response to the same post where I specifically asked for them, is. He continued to attempt to stall for time afterward and has since disappeared.

There was also no point for town Jock to ignore posts and ask HF if HF thought he's out of character compared to when he was mafia (what kind of question is that? it accomplishes nothing and doesn't even make sense, HF's post was clearly about Jock being out of character when compared to being town) and saying this:



rather than just coming out with them.

On May 01 2019 21:19 wherebugsgo wrote:


because I found it unlikely that explaining it to you would change my read on you

whereas now we have some evidence that Pandain cares about figuring out what's going on

On May 02 2019 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:

Nobody asked.

On May 02 2019 03:16 Pandain wrote:

Mafia literally does it all the time. It's precisely inherently mafia to say good things and then not do them or follow them

On May 02 2019 03:18 Pandain wrote:
Also more importantly it's not a dumb silly contradiction that could be overlooked. It's a mindset contradiction

On May 02 2019 03:18 Pandain wrote:
I mean he could be town perhaps even likely. Im not even voting him. But it's day 1 so do what you do

On May 02 2019 03:37 Pandain wrote:
Why are you not against the lynch when you said there was only a five percent chance he's scum

On May 02 2019 03:38 Pandain wrote:
That makes no sense and is super scummy regardless of jocks alignment

On May 02 2019 04:01 Pandain wrote:
If you think there's almost no chance someone is scum why are you perfectly okay with his lynch

On May 02 2019 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

explain please.

On May 02 2019 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why the fuck would you be gone? Youve done nothing but killed a townie.

On May 02 2019 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What is wrong with this post Holyflare?
With Rels being mafia or Rels not being mafia? Dont care about Vivax votes because that was not going to happen anyways since you were academicly 15 mins late...

On May 02 2019 00:53 Pandain wrote:
I think Wherebugsgo is solid town, not even learn town. He's most active person, is clearly actively reading and re-reading and using that to inform his view in a logical way (even if i disagree sometimes)


Super strong town lean on Koshi as well for his carefree posting. They just seem townie.

On May 02 2019 01:02 Pandain wrote:
Dear Mr. BloodyC0bbler,

I think Jock is a good lynch but I'm keeping my vote on Rels at the moment. This is exactly what he did in End of the World as mafia (as you and I both know), and I also don't like his only post that said "me too!". It just seemed fake to me.

Furthermore, and maybe more importantly, it pressures him to come on in and talk. I would love if more people voted him if only for this reason.


Sincerely,
Pandain

On May 01 2019 20:33 Pandain wrote:
I don't really have any mafia reads, but I think VE is town from his carefree and open posting, and Koshi for same reason. I think that's a pretty good start for day 1.

I'm going to vote Rels because he's done absolutely nothing, and he did the same exact thing last time when I was mafia with him.

On May 02 2019 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I will let himself say what he has to say about that.
Why is Vivax not mafia?

On May 02 2019 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
comment on bugs?

On May 02 2019 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

idk i think he screams all mafia, what is okay in your opinion?

On May 02 2019 10:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually nah Pandain is not scum

HF's case is pretty trash

On May 02 2019 18:23 wherebugsgo wrote:


I don't claim to be some sort of Pandain whisperer, but here's my top 3 clickbait list:

1. Pandain's behaviour is different enough between alignments to be noticeable, at least after reading 3-4 games. As town, Pandain seems to be trying to figure things out, and tends to use a lot of conditional language/hedging. Here are a couple examples, which ones are town and which are mafia?

Example 1:
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Example 2:

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Example 3:
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Answer:
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I tried seeing if there is any language Pandain uses differently based on alignment, and you can try searching "think" or "don't think" in filters; I think as scum P uses words like "think" and "don't think" less often than as town but it's certainly not conclusive. Here are some numbers:

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2. P's reads tend to be more consistent as scum and this matches what I'd expect of scum in general being unwilling to change reads. I think townies try to figure out the game rather than just lining up people to kill. I wouldn't expect scum P to just immediately backtrack and put me in a list of potential scum after calling me the towniest person in the game on the same day:



3. P was trying to consolidate people to kill Vivax at EoD. This shows initiative and is quite a risk as scum I think-why not just sit back and watch Jock die/what purpose does it accomplish? I tend to believe that scum will look to see if there is support before trying something like that, and actually I've seen that in Pandain's past games as well:






In that game Pandain voted MZ, but then got off MZ when there wasn't any traction and moved to Onegu (following a vote by MZ on Onegu as well, making it clearer that there was traction on Onegu). In general Pandain's vote movements were minimal even with townies getting lynched. Here Pandain was happy to move around the vote and try and get a different person lynched even last minute, regardless of support existing.

On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum?

On May 02 2019 03:18 Pandain wrote:
I mean he could be town perhaps even likely. Im not even voting him. But it's day 1 so do what you do

On May 02 2019 19:07 wherebugsgo wrote:


are you serious

I've avoided confronting you because I didn't want to pollute the thread, but if you're town, you need to be told this as honestly you're so arrogant, ESPECIALLY when you're wrong. I pointed out that I disagreed with your meta case on Jock right at the beginning and you chose to tell me I don't know how to read. I responded reasonably and instead of entertaining the thought that you could be wrong, you decided to make the environment completely hostile.

Now you call me scum because I disagree with you and provide reasons for my town reads.

Literally the only acceptable reason for you to play like this is if you are scum.

On May 02 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:


Rayn is this scum HF being fake aggressive or town HF who thinks he's posted something but actually hasn't?

I ask him about MZ, Vivax, and BC.

1. Up until this post, MZ is not at all mentioned in HF's filter. Here, HF doesn't take a stance.
2. HF did say the same thing about Vivax earlier, so sure, fine. But again, no stance.
3. "BC only made posts I've agreed with" no direct interaction besides that first weird mistake post HF had, we can come to this conclusion I suppose based on the fact that BC and HF both voted Jock but why should vote alignment matter in reading BC?

So why does HF say this is a pointless question when the only thing that HF actually said was #2?

On May 02 2019 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
And all those shitty afkers and ff I guess but pointless trying to include those shitters yet.

Interestingly ff left pandain out of his read list.

On May 02 2019 09:19 wherebugsgo wrote:


BC town, I didn’t push my read on MZ because I doubted myself and I also wasn’t insistent enough on maintaining a counter wagon.

Had Jock responded better to me I would have defended him very hard because I thought the meta case was really bad (also really HF, you should apologize for that reading comprehension insult LOL)

On May 02 2019 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna make a more detailed post soon, i am in a bit of hurry rn.

HF, bugs is right about Pandain (vs your case). I don't think he ever called jock even mafia so i dont understand why it's scummy for him to look at the people on jock wagon. I need a clarification; when you said this:

who did you mean and why was this post so vaguely worded? Because the townread on jock was, to be completely honest, one of the easiest reads to make in this game.

On May 02 2019 00:44 Pandain wrote:
FIXED POST

I am confused about why Jock suddenly became an asshole in this thread when the last two games he was super nice and if anything apologetic. Also his blogs are fun to read so I'm sort of shocked. I don't think he's a bad lynch and might switch to him if the votes are close.

Also this is concerning:


And then proceedes to be super lukewarm about scum reads and doesn't scumhunt at all.

On May 02 2019 00:45 Pandain wrote:
Fuck formatting is hard. Anyway originally I was lukewarm about him but now I think he's a good lynch especially for day 1.

On May 02 2019 01:02 Pandain wrote:
Dear Mr. BloodyC0bbler,

I think Jock is a good lynch but I'm keeping my vote on Rels at the moment. This is exactly what he did in End of the World as mafia (as you and I both know), and I also don't like his only post that said "me too!". It just seemed fake to me.

Furthermore, and maybe more importantly, it pressures him to come on in and talk. I would love if more people voted him if only for this reason.


Sincerely,
Pandain

On May 03 2019 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because of his opening. I know you disagree with this but i fail to see a world where MZ comes into the game as mafia claiming he would do the same mistakes he was lynched (and almost lynched) for last (two) games. I just don't believe it because that would require huge balls and i am not sure if MZ has that big of balls as mafia.

On May 03 2019 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please don't shoot me mafia because i am a veteran and i'd like to play another day because this game actually got very interesting in my opinion.

On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mostly caught up at the moment.

Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons.

Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.


Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.

I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.

On May 03 2019 07:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
Vivax literally only mentions FF and MZ in his filter. I think FF is 100% town

On May 03 2019 07:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF I think you played your hand too hard here











BC, MZ, HF, at least one of you is town unless this is a bastard 4 scum setup. Come help me figure out the game while I'm still alive. As long as we're lynching me just assume I'm town. You can discard everything I say never, because I won't flip scum.

HF if I'm wrong about you and these are not massive scum tells of you defending Vivax for no reason but then putting him as scum for equally no reason, please do explain yourself. Why was Vivax so special, out of the "do nothingers" that he had such a great honour of being in your kill list?

On May 03 2019 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
this means bugs is definitely mafia :D

On May 03 2019 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote:


how the fuck can you not realise there is a miller if you're a cop

On May 03 2019 21:05 Koshi wrote:
I dont believe HF but I do want to vote wbg. Annoying.

On May 03 2019 22:14 VisceraEyes wrote:

What about his defense gives you pause? Do you agree with it?

On May 03 2019 22:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like are you shipping bugs as mafia? Is that what the hesitance is?

On May 04 2019 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Higher probability scum.

Bugs only looks like mafia because of how he's flailing here, now. His play before now looked pretty null to me, leaning townie. The exchange between he and HF is a tough call though - like I said before, he looks like mafia because of how "resigned" he is to his fate. He even didn't believe HF's claim all along and STILL felt "momentum to lynch" him, even after the claim was retracted.

Further, he looks worse because he ultimately believed HF - though the progression looks relatively natural, it could just as easily be him realizing the miller angle slowly, as others were realizing it too. As a townie, MY gut reaction is "WELP LOOKS LIKE WE GETEM BOYS!!!" if someone fake-claims on me, I INSTANTLY assume they're mafia trying to fuck me. It never really looked like bugs had that reaction.

HOWEVER

In the spirit of transparency, I'm not confident in my ability to accurately read bugs or his intentions. He's always been something of a wild-card to me and that frustration has bubbled over several times in our history. That could be coloring my hesitation to call him scum - I've been wrong SO MUCH before about Bugs. But like I said before - his play lacks a sharp edge that his mafia game typically has, so I've been leaning town most of the game.

On May 04 2019 07:54 Pandain wrote:


Can you respond to my actual points? It makes no sense for me to have done what I did if I was mafia. It would be extremely counter productive ,my teammates could have gotten super super super pissed at me, and maybe I would even be banned or something crazy if I did something as stupid as that.

On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:


It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp.

Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more?

On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:


No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot.

On May 04 2019 09:32 Pandain wrote:


Ok I was just going off the top of my head, I'm not an expert on balance. 1KP just seemed low compared to the 2KP last game and 3KPin end of the world mafia.

Honestly if you both want to lynch me because I miscaculated what KP should be off the top of my head go ahead. Going for these "gotcha" moments instead of actual scumhunting is one of the reasons why the town play on these forums tends to be pretty low.

On May 04 2019 09:35 Pandain wrote:


The only okay points are lack of activity night one and fake inconsistencies regarding Jock, which I addressed and you never responded to. It absolutely was not inconsistent at all.

On May 04 2019 10:25 VisceraEyes wrote:

It was in the OP, your dumbtell is not accepted.

On May 04 2019 11:40 Pandain wrote:


I thought BC thinking both me and grack are his top mafia reads as complete crazy considering we helped lead the vivax lynch. But apparently you guys have rampant bussing issues in the past so I guess it's null, but I do find it surprising he didn't at least mention it.

I didn't read too much into their interaction. Could be anything.

I'm 90% convinced one of HF or BC is mafia (No I'm not going to get into HF. I just think his play is lazy this game and not good. It's more a gut feeling than anything concrete. )

On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:


no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF.

On May 04 2019 12:36 wherebugsgo wrote:


he's not aware of the thread though, he's been consistently wrong about how events have unfolded and this has been pointed out several times already. Look at some of my rebuttals to him, for example. It's basically like he's coming in periodically, catching up and not actually spending time trying to figure out alignments, just finding surface-level things to nitpick and blow out of proportion.

On May 04 2019 12:36 wherebugsgo wrote:


he's not aware of the thread though, he's been consistently wrong about how events have unfolded and this has been pointed out several times already. Look at some of my rebuttals to him, for example. It's basically like he's coming in periodically, catching up and not actually spending time trying to figure out alignments, just finding surface-level things to nitpick and blow out of proportion.

On May 04 2019 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ask yourself why town HF would dodge responding to this post:

On May 04 2019 13:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:







Highlighting these three primarily because he fake claims (whatever he does it a lot) however does it and didnt read the OP to realize the chance of a miller existed. The key part to this is the not reading the OP.

Follow that into the 2nd quote. That is the statement pandain made that warranted HF to vote for him. Which given all the other content going around the thread was a pretty weak statement to jump on. Moreso because it was lack of reading the OP related that HF himself is guilty of.

Now the third quote. Literally stating that he is ignoring what someone said in favour of his own views. If he truly believed Pandain is mafia, he would be able to use pandains words as a reasons for this and actions, not just ignore them and make up ones own version of the events.

Pretty sure he also dodged MZ's questions when MZ wanted to know about the shit related to the fakeclaim.

On May 04 2019 18:19 Holyflare wrote:
Who was it that has given koshi a pass by the way? Was only recently but cba to check. If you have come around on Pandain somehow and have bugs as a town read then Koshi is literally just afking and pretending to sheep rayn as a do nothing clause on your two town reads. Unless it was bugs himself and then that's even worse.

On May 04 2019 20:27 Pandain wrote:
@HF yes I was wishy washy on Jock. Of course I agreed with points that made him suspicious but it didn't mean I felt it meant anything very significant.

It's day 1 dude what do you want. And I was very transparent the whole day that I was iffy on Jock, it's not like I was gungho about him and then trying to lynch people who voted him later

On May 04 2019 20:42 Pandain wrote:
Like what does HF really believe outside of me and bugs? It's not obvious .

On May 04 2019 21:55 wherebugsgo wrote:


I mean, you have to choose someone even according to your own logic because you said myself and Pandain can't be scum together

On May 04 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:


If dodging means skipping over it because it should be really obvious then yes. I didn't think what vivax had done was enough to read him anything, as stated in all of those posts.

I still don't know why, for the fourth time, you quote my poe post as if it's some revelation. It's poe, process of elimination. The list is simply people I don't town read that I think are most likely to be mafia because it's within their range. That is why vivax is there because his activity is either afk or his staple mafia play. That is why koshi, who I actually town read slightly day 1 is there, because koshi is perfectly capable of appearing town for short spans of time day 1.

On May 04 2019 22:31 wherebugsgo wrote:


cool story bro, it's literally unbelievable that if you're actually the veteran it took you 30+ minutes to vote him after he talked about there being multiple KP. If you're actually the veteran you'd have just called him scum in the exact same post immediately rather than going to read the OP, asking him if he's dumbtelling, asking him if he's played in a game of this size with more than 1 kp, etc.

On May 02 2019 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
And all those shitty afkers and ff I guess but pointless trying to include those shitters yet.

Interestingly ff left pandain out of his read list.

What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.

On May 04 2019 22:44 wherebugsgo wrote:


keep digging yourself deeper, your explanations just keep surfacing more questions and make it clear you're just making this up on the spot. If you asked for clarification and were worried about revealing your role by just voting him why wouldn't you wait until after the question was answered to vote him?

Also, if FF and slam were voting your supposed scumread of Pandain, why the fuck would they be completely null to you?

On May 04 2019 23:18 Holyflare wrote:


Because artanis answered that I wouldn't be notified and then I voted him and then I asked the kp question as far as I remember. I'll double check in a bit.

On May 04 2019 23:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not beyond convincing Holyflare, you just have to convince me that you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that there's only one power-role in this game and that YOU'RE IT, the Town Veteran.

On May 04 2019 23:57 VisceraEyes wrote:

But it was a joke that conceded to Pandain that he dunked on your chain of events with facts. You did the same shit earlier when bugs dunked on you about why he asked Jock about Incog's guide or whatever...he had a reason for doing it, a very obvious one that you did NOT catch (maybe because you're mafia?) and when he clued you in you just retreated and joked about it.

Your whole game has felt manipulative and, frankly I have to agree with Bugs now, opportunistic. This whole situation right now feels opportunistic, yuo're not interested in talking to me but you'll do quote wars with Bugs, putting in all kinds of effort. It's like you KNOW that thread control has changed hands and you can't be arsed unless it's worth it to you.

On May 05 2019 02:58 Holyflare wrote:


Dude it was a fucking joke lol, it was obviously a rayn fake claim?

On May 05 2019 03:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Is Koshi going to show up today?

On May 05 2019 03:06 Grackaroni wrote:

You think Pandain and WBG are not together though don't you?

On May 05 2019 03:07 Pandain wrote:

If you're town you're completely tunneled on me. Unfortunately if I was around when you first started making arguments you probably would not still be talking about me, but because I was essentially afk for 48 hours means your biases had time to fester and control your perspective and disallow an actual fresh reasoned view. Nothing I did was weird or strange, and what I said regarding my mindset is supported by my posts (apathy on Jock, etc..)

On May 05 2019 03:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Did you not read the thread? I think I was pretty clear when the entire you becoming a lynch was appearing with where I was coming from. Did I outright accuse you? no. Instead I discussed the possibility with the other people in the thread and we came to a consensus.

You claiming Vet tbh is more or less a non issue as any claim you make in thread I just dont believe. I can't given your track record.

On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment.

On May 05 2019 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
At this point both of MZ and Pandain would have to switch off HF to sway the lynch imo. I think it's probably safe.

On May 05 2019 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

Nah, because you're going to bend over and let me lynch you anyway. Rather, convince me to lynch someone else, someone like Pandain or MZ. I know you're down to lynch MZ.

On May 05 2019 03:33 Holyflare wrote:


Fuck off. The whole premise as to why I'm mafia from bugs and bc is that I'm opportunistic and cherry pick and twist narratives.

If you can't point to even one part of this game where I have done that then fuck you.

On May 05 2019 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote:

I don't have to, bugs already did, I looked myself and agreed and moved my vote. You can get angry and indignant all you want, but you had an opportunity to say all this before now.

On May 05 2019 03:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:




So HF, He said he thought Jock was a good lynch, but thought Rels was a better lynch, then chose Vivax for basically the same reason.


Fuck, like, He stated his reasons for voting and you are damning him for it.

Based on that logic, the fact you fake claimed to kill bugs but are now pushing pandain means we should lynch you because you thought bugs was worth the fake claim.

On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mostly caught up at the moment.

Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons.

Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.


Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.

I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.

On May 05 2019 03:37 VisceraEyes wrote:

I won't. Dig yourself out of this.

On May 02 2019 07:14 Holyflare wrote:

















This guy is suspect numero uno. Anybody that uses the phrase "that's scummy regardless of Jock's alignment" is a guy that has tmi and makes it want to look like he's weighing up his options.

Let us also not forget that he agreed with all the points on Jock, fought against rayn that jock looked scummy, said rayn was scummy for not trying to save his town read and then dropped it all to try and shenanigan with rayn.

Let us also not forget that Pandain wanted to lynch rels (based on incorrect meta that was highlighted several times already) despite a wagon building on Jock, his also scum read, to make rels active again. Then when that didn't take off, Pandain, master of misdirection, avoided joining the jock wagon (his scum read) again for terrible shenanigans.

Then when Jock, his scum read, flipped town (after pandain said he's probably town for no discernable reason why arguing that he was still mafia) Pandain decides to call the entire wagon on Jock, his scum read, and also maybe town read, mafia.

No thanks. You mafia mate. Lynch Pandain when I'm gone.

On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more?

On May 03 2019 04:42 Pandain wrote:


Decent argument but unfortunately it fails to keep in mind one key thing. It's day 1, and any of my reads are weak. So yes, I agreed with Jock playing weird and even suspiciously. I stated as such and even stated that I don't think he was a bad lynch. But that doesn't mean I was completely or even [b] mostly [b] convinced he was mafia. And when you're saying that I was trying to get Rels lynched despite being suspicious of jock, you totally fail to fucking realize I was more suspicious of rels than jock, so your whole argument is moot because I wanted to lynch someone who I thought was more suspicious.

So when I switched to someone rayn pointed out was actually a good chance of being mafia , vivax, of course I finally switched and stayed.

Also yes I read that rels sucks as day 1 even as town, but honestly I personally don't know that and I never really just "trust" people on what they say about other's people's metas. All I know is Rels played like how he did exactly when he was mafia with me.

But especially as he didn't post at all by the end of the day, which is very different than just lurking for mosting of it, I didn't really feel confident with him either and that would just be a chance lynch. And I grew more convinced Jock was town near the end because of the complete lack of activity (there was only me and grack and rayn for the last hour), which doesn't seem like it would be likely if jock was mafia.

On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative.

However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM.

For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did.

On May 05 2019 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I kinda felt like you twisted the narrative with all the "that was obviously a joke" and "I'm a cop with a redcheck" and "I'm buying a house I won't be around"

Like, it just seems to me like you're playing dishonestly. Rayn tried to talk to you about bugs on N1 and you trolled all over him. I'm actually a little relieved mafia killed rayn because he was going to go ape shit on D2 and we were ALL going to have to deal with that, I'm surprised mafia even bothered. But they did, and your VERY FIRST WORDS were


....like sure, you were "reaction testing" or whatever with a fake-claim - I get it - but it just seems REEEEEEEALY convenient that Rayn dies with bugs name on his lips and the VERY FIRST thing you do, and REALLY THE ONLY THING YOU DO THIS DAY is try to get bugs lynched through one means or another.

On May 05 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare where's your partner? You got fucking fucked guy, is it Grack? He's the ONLY ONE trying to save you.

On May 05 2019 04:04 wherebugsgo wrote:


I mean, this would ordinarily be an amazing fucking argument. Like, I actually was on board with "nah HF would never fake claim here as scum" and 100% believed the claim when you made it because I was like he has to be a cop here.

But of course, you have a history of fake claiming. and you know that.

Which makes all of these completely alignment non-indicative because you and I both know, as some of the better scum players on these forums, that in order not get lynched for a deviation between your town and scum plays you have to do exactly what you would do as town. Or at least, you need to try to do exactly what you think others would expect you to do as town. And in your case, that's fake claim.

On May 05 2019 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:


grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do

On May 05 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:

lol the last time you said this you linked me to a filter of your scum QT to prove it and in the QT you were like "I'm going to claim cop lolololol."

On May 05 2019 04:14 wherebugsgo wrote:


hello? The last game we played together, I did exactly that??

rofl

On May 05 2019 04:15 Holyflare wrote:


I literally don't remember. It's certainly not the norm for people to do.

On May 05 2019 04:16 Holyflare wrote:


Maybe it's worth it if the votes are close but they aren't really that close and who exactly is grack trying to convince? Likely mafia and some afkers. Hardly worth it if at all.

On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again.

I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi.

On May 05 2019 04:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
even in the 0.001% chance that HF is town, we are still ahead and we have the opportunity to lynch into MZ and whoever else could possibly be scum afterward. Today, HF is the lynch. End of story.

On May 05 2019 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya I'm having fun regardless of the outcome of this game, I WOULD like a bit more activity from lurkers, but overall it's been fun.

HF I won't lie, I could see you being town here too, and if you're town I'm sorry. It just feels like an HF mafia game and I have a chance to do something about it. COME ON YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, I wouldn't usually be able to lynch you REGARDLESS of your alignment, so this is actually like...a new experience for me.

AND I DO COME TO BAT FOR YOU PRETTY OFTEN. Like, even in this game IT TOOK CONVINCING to get me on this train. So don't get mad if you're town.

On May 05 2019 04:43 VisceraEyes wrote:

I DID WARN YOU

I WAS VERY EXPLICIT ABOUT FEAR LYNCHING YOU

VERY