EPT[N] Uninspired Mafia
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On May 01 2019 08:35 Grackaroni wrote: I'm voting Rels because he avoids early game a lot as mafia. And also as town. | ||
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On May 01 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote: I think jock is mafia and bc is more mafia for defending(?? ? But also accusing???) him. Not much else to add really. Didn't even realise the game had even started. You can disregard this because I've reread it and it didn't go down like this. BC still gave jock a bit of an out which I don't like but he's pretty much said stuff I was thinking about Jock's posting. Minus points for grack not pointing this out. | ||
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On May 01 2019 09:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So do you think Grack has the wrong idea with voting him? Not really the wrong idea just the wrong reasoning | ||
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On May 01 2019 09:25 Grackaroni wrote: Scum has a pretty natural tendency towards appeasement when under pressure. I don't think scum's first reaction to being accused would be to shit on the entire player base of the website and boast about getting night killed in the last game. I feel pretty confident at reading butt-hurt and he reeks of butt-hurt townie to me. Zzzzz generic statements that never catch mafia/reliably find town or hold up to any kind of scrutiny when examined closely zzzz What he counters with doesn't even make any sense. He's boasting about not being able to be read as mafia, being shot by mafia as town? That's implying he's too good for the website.... But he's using that at a point when people are calling him mafia. So he's using a defence of him being better than everyone to prove absolutely nothing about why they are wrong other than some weak deterrent that only shifts people that read people in generic metrics (grack etc). | ||
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On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote: Out of character compared to when I was mafia? Compared to when you were carefree, joking and a bit lost as town. Unless you've become a giant ego after 2 games for absolutely no reason and you've decided to laud it over everyone else my conclusion is that you're not a dick and this is bravado to try and appeal to people's emotions and sensibilities. | ||
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See first sentence. | ||
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On May 01 2019 10:48 wherebugsgo wrote: see your vote. If you want to convince people that Jack is acting out of character you're gonna have to try harder. There are a whopping two games to base this on, and comparing to the town game I just don't see how you can come to this conclusion. Jack clearly had at least a bit of an attitude and also self-awareness in the townie game: So this I think tells us nothing. There are other reasons I think which might be good to consider Jack scum but no one has really brought them up. Maybe I expect too much out of people too :p If you think those posts are anything like this one then I'm afraid your reading comprehension needs some brushing up on. It's a quite obvious thing. Maybe it's a nuance to mere mortals but from an experienced veteran of mafia such as myself, the evidence you've provided is of a guy that is butt hurt but not cocky and certainly not saying he's above the entire site because everyone is so much worse than him. Game 1 where he was mafia, read his QT. You can see it was all a facade and every time he got called out he was afraid it was the end of him. That's extremely understandable for someone new to mafia to feel when someone is pointing out your inconsistencies. See game 2 where he was more concerned with fairness more than anything and, you know, calmly giving reads even when called out. Your quotes literally show a guy defending himself with matter of fact points in a cocky way. See game 3. He gets called out. Everything people taught him in game 1 was to ignore the suspicion and fight back as if it meant nothing. Here he is trying but with the telltale way of fake bravado. No way he thinks he's above everyone on TL after 2 games where game 1 he thought he played badly but everyone complemented him and game 2 he got killed n1 and I don't think he picked out any of the mafia team at that point (could be wrong but don't think so). He's classically over compensating and he's played his hand too early. | ||
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On May 01 2019 09:17 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm 99% sure at this point if I do absolutely nothing to push a different lynch, Jock will continue to get suspicion and probably die. I'm giving him outs and the benefit of the doubt because I'm not confident he's scum. Honestly to me the weirdest thing he's done so far has been his last exit: Only for him to never come back. It's what, 1 am in the UK? So we can't really expect him to come back and defend himself any time soon. Anyway, my opinion has always been that having a single wagon on day 1 is rarely good. No need for me to contribute to that if I see something better, anyway. I honestly have no idea why you're voting for Jock and it looks really suspicious. You're essentially coaching him and all his responses are still just as clueless and you think the most suspicious thing is that he didn't return from afking? | ||
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On May 01 2019 20:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I wanted two things; one was to see whether Jock's tone and response style would be natural and the other would be whether he would actually tell me something believable. Given that Jock is very new I would expect some synthesis of Incognito's guide because he would have been bound to have read it recently. If he's town and someone in the game is asking him, I'd expect him to take the time to understand why (and reread if necessary) especially when I was indicating to him that if he didn't shape up he'd likely die. His response that followed afterward indicated that he probably lied, because even if you skim that guide literally the #1 takeaway for townies is to establish innocence. This is also why I phrased the question the way I did. Emphasis mine: by itself I don't think the lie is super alignment-indicative, but the fact that Jock actually answered that question about the guide but chose not to provide reads, in response to the same post where I specifically asked for them, is. He continued to attempt to stall for time afterward and has since disappeared. There was also no point for town Jock to ignore posts and ask HF if HF thought he's out of character compared to when he was mafia (what kind of question is that? it accomplishes nothing and doesn't even make sense, HF's post was clearly about Jock being out of character when compared to being town) and saying this: rather than just coming out with them. Why didn't you just say this in the first place? :p | ||
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On May 01 2019 21:19 wherebugsgo wrote: because I found it unlikely that explaining it to you would change my read on you whereas now we have some evidence that Pandain cares about figuring out what's going on Have you read Incognito's mafia guide? Emphasis mine: + Show Spoiler + Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia. As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence. Why? Establishing your innocence does three things: It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about To elaborate: 1) It is hard to get people to listen to you if they are unsure of your motives. There are times where townies will ignore persuasive evidence based on an (irrational) fear that you might be pulling the wool over their eyes. Establishing your innocence allows you to focus on hunting the mafia instead of wasting energy defending yourself. | ||
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