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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 17 2019 23:11 GMT
#15
/in
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 28 2019 11:19 GMT
#83
Day 1: 1 mafia
Day 2: 1 Mafia
Day 3: 2 Mafia
Day 4: 3 Mafia
Day 5: 5 mafia
Day 6: 8 mafia
Day 7: 13 Mafia
Day 8: 21 Mafia (GG)

Is this the plan?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 29 2019 17:17 GMT
#98
On March 29 2019 22:55 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 21:01 Half the Sky wrote:
On March 28 2019 20:19 Pandain wrote:
Day 1: 1 mafia
Day 2: 1 Mafia
Day 3: 2 Mafia
Day 4: 3 Mafia
Day 5: 5 mafia
Day 6: 8 mafia
Day 7: 13 Mafia
Day 8: 21 Mafia (GG)

Is this the plan?


I can see it now, the game ends when all players become mafia, or when it it no longer possible to prevent this

Everyone wins


On the plus side town has two chances to win the game day 1 and day 2.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 31 2019 20:49 GMT
#126
Onegu you should play! I feel like both hosting and playing would be fun!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 02 2019 12:41 GMT
#136
TL Mafia was dead but KelsierSC just saved it.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 02 2019 13:31 GMT
#138
I'm actually really excited for whatever the theme is going to be.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 04 2019 10:24 GMT
#154
I would be surprised if we will up today. I'm expecting to wait a few days.

No rush, it will happen
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 05 2019 17:21 GMT
#164
On April 06 2019 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
/out

Hahahaha almost got me
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 06 2019 15:51 GMT
#497
On April 06 2019 10:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
[image loading]
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Omfg I was going to wait to post until I finished reading gut this looks sooooo good
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 06 2019 19:32 GMT
#532
Completely agree that the way Rayne and TW talked about their role heavily suggests their town. It's really hard to explain and isn't a guarantee, but it gives me a strong gut feeling. I also like how active TW has been.

Because Meapak pointed this out he also gives me town vibes as well.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 11:29 GMT
#702
I'm actually happy I was busy because the discussion on me helped make the thread alive and was very useful. I mean, I'm going to be honest, I'm 100% a lurker at this point with only a short paragraph as a post.

On April 07 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 04:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 06 2019 10:53 Holyflare wrote:
Am I the only one that is just fucking town and not a faction?????


I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc.
I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm.

Ohhh another confirmed town. Dank


This is the post that Pandain +1d by the way.

"I am town with win conditions"

mz auto towns rayn for it even though like 8 other people have said the same thing

pandain doesn't even realise and just blindly agrees


This is my fault for not explaining, I should have explained more.
It's not at all that they claimed they have win conditions which make me think rayne and TW are town. It's what they posted that demonstrates a town mentality.

On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 10:53 Holyflare wrote:
Am I the only one that is just fucking town and not a faction?????


I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc.
I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm.


It's not the win condition part but rather the above bolded sentence. It strikes me as a townie who has an actual role that he's seriously thinking about and contemplating.

I would actually agree that if you have an alternate win condition you're likely not mafia (but maybe! not certain at all!). The fact that this post seems very genuine makes me think he's telling the truth.


On April 06 2019 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
i actually have a sneaking suspicion that a certain person mentioned in my role is mafia


Same reasoning for this post. If I was mafia I don't think I would be thinking about my role pm in this way. If I was mafia maybe I write "haha my role pm is weird" or "i have win condition" or speculate about the setup. But the ambiguity of this post and the way he wrote about it "i wonder if this guy in my role pm is mafia" seems a little bit out of left park for mafia.

Typing it out makes it seem like a bit of a crapshoot but to be honest that's all day one anyway. All of these reads will change as days actually progress, but this is what I feel right now.

This all is hard to explain but it's what I feel. I hope it made some sense to some people.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 11:33 GMT
#703
I'm going to vote Mig. I don't have the hours for this day cycle to examine absolutely everyone (though I will go through MZ and damdred and palmar based on discussion), but Mig really stood out to me.


On April 06 2019 13:43 Mig wrote:
Hi I am here

VE shadiest to me so far. Comes in and feels the need to let us know he has reads but he isnt ready to post any of them yet. Asks slam a close to pointless question and just snap agrees with him, makes an early activity excuse and makes some easy setup speculation posts. So touches of guilty conscience posts + fake activity without actually looking for mafia.

VE have enough people posted for you to share your reads yet? And if so what are they? Majority of the players have posted by now.

@holyflare why is FF in your town circle? Nothing he has posted seems towny to me. Especially his post about LS always looking mafia to him but then flipping to saying I guess you are towny enough, feels off to me.

Grack/sentinel/jockm/ksc/ff all useless so far. Slam I have no clue.

disfos post about having to read his pm 5 times felt townie to me for some reason.


Like other's said - an extremely safe post. Not bad in of itself but not good either.

On April 06 2019 14:11 Mig wrote:
Theres 15 pages of content, thats not enough for you to have any ideas? Its hard to find mafia day1 but there is plenty of content to at least have some ideas.


Then this seemed extremely contradictory. Mig literally has done nothing this game except the above empty post and ask a couple people some questions. I think whenever someone is an obvious mindset contradiction like this it reeks of mafia.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 11:42 GMT
#706
On April 07 2019 20:36 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
On April 07 2019 03:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Holyflare what is your point about Damdred and factions explained for dummies.

All I see is you mentioning factions and then calling Damdred scum for thinking there could be factions.


Which point? I've made several.

My town role doesn't have a faction. It has a seemingly anti town win condition that's selfish but I win with town. No mention of any faction.

Fact he is different to me is odd/scummy.

He talked about there being at least 3 factions. That tells me his PM is either mafia or 3P.

If he was town he has no real way to think that the "faction" he is is the only faction or one of multiple. He can only know if he's not town.

Coupled with the fact he seems to be changing what he originally said the more people reveal about their roles it looks really scummy.


^ so why aren't you voting damdred pandain?

I don't agree that him talking about three factions means he must either be mafia or 3p. This is a themed game; it's very possible his role pm hints at there being a third party of some sort. And this doesn't mean that he's 3p, maybe he's a town with an alt-win condition of killing someone else.

I'm a bit confused though, damdred are you claiming that you need to kill rayn and vice versa? , or was that just an example.

If anything I think damdred is suspicious but not because of role and set-up talk, but rather because he's talked about absolutely nothing else for the whole two days. But I would still rather lynch mig.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 11:46 GMT
#708
On April 07 2019 20:44 Mocsta wrote:
Pandain #706
I agree with first paragraph in full.

I have an opinion on paragraph 2, but will leave this for damdred.

para 3: Damdred hasnt posted since Early Day1. I dont think thats a fair position to take (nothing els for the whole two days)


Completely fair, I'll take it back.

@HF what do you think about MiG?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 11:59 GMT
#711
I said mafia would post like that. I didn't say everyone who posted like that would be mafia - and I would never vote someone based on that. There's nothing at all weird about speculating about set-up, it's what everyone does. That's why I said mafia probably would as well - but it does not at all imply exclusivity.

And note as Mocsta said he's been gone since early Day 1.

I said I haven't read everyone yet and will only have time to read some. I don't feel compelled to completely read everything and all wagons before I place a vote, as long as I do read them before the day's end.

If I always waited to read everyone before making a vote or posting, then I would never post except at the very very end and no one would like that. MZ is on my list, if you want to hear my thoughts you'll have to wait for half an hour or so.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 12:00 GMT
#712
On April 07 2019 20:52 Holyflare wrote:
He's made like 1-2 mediocre posts voting an easy target and that's it.



This should probably concern you. It's textbook mafia.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 12:20 GMT
#714
@Mocsta I'm never going to lynch someone based on Meta. Last game literally everyone was off about everyone, and it was in very large part to people being very confident they could "read" people based on playstyle. Furthermore, any competent player (as mafia or town) should be able to diversify their play. And palmar is definitely not stupid.

Palmar could be mafia, but I like his posts enough that he should definitely not be lynched today.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 12:22 GMT
#715
Actually I just re-read what you wrote and you're more concerned with his post rather than just being "lazy".

I actually agree it's suspicious, but I still want to wait an extra day.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 13:25 GMT
#738
RE: Damdred

1) Damdred didn't post anything that looked like reading the game, just mechanics and role stuff.


Sure, but he hasn't been around since early day 1. That should be expected early day 1

2) Damdred's role stuff positions him to act as 3p. The only people who GAIN by being perceived as 3p are mafia.


Sure, you're right, but just because it positions him to act as 3p in no way means that he intentionally is aiming for that. You're reading a possible explanation as the most likely explanation. He could have information in his role pm suggesting third parties, or he could just be extrapolating based on what people are saying and the theme of the game.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 13:30 GMT
#740
I just read MZ. I agree it looks contradictory. I don't think it's a bad lynch but I'll keep my vote on Mig for the time being.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 14:32 GMT
#780
On April 07 2019 23:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay thought MZ had more votes I guess Onegu needs to update the vote count soon -.- ##Unvote Ya Mig's wagon also built o quickly. Also Vivax I never mafia just a Hindu/Arabic recruiter looking for my friends >.<
I breadcrumbed my actual role here:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
I looking for Hindu/Arbic mathematicians so I know who my friends are >.<

My alternate win condition was to recruit both Hindu/Arabic mathematicians into a QT with me before End game but I do with the town.


Lol dude Mig literally has two votes on him. I don't think "built up fast" has meaning in your vocabulary.

By the way I don't think MZ's wagon built up "fast" but I do find it concerning I find a lack of real opposition. There's me pushing for Mig, but I know I'm town and so I'm not concerned about that.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 14:35 GMT
#784
On April 07 2019 23:33 Holyflare wrote:
there's plenty of opposition for mz


There's from me like I said, but I know I'm town. Then there's damdred from palmer.

That's about it. And Palmar has no steam and Mig has a little but not really either.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 14:36 GMT
#786
On April 07 2019 23:33 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 23:32 Pandain wrote:
On April 07 2019 23:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay thought MZ had more votes I guess Onegu needs to update the vote count soon -.- ##Unvote Ya Mig's wagon also built o quickly. Also Vivax I never mafia just a Hindu/Arabic recruiter looking for my friends >.<
I breadcrumbed my actual role here:
On April 06 2019 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
I looking for Hindu/Arbic mathematicians so I know who my friends are >.<

My alternate win condition was to recruit both Hindu/Arabic mathematicians into a QT with me before End game but I do with the town.


Lol dude Mig literally has two votes on him. I don't think "built up fast" has meaning in your vocabulary.

By the way I don't think MZ's wagon built up "fast" but I do find it concerning I find a lack of real opposition. There's me pushing for Mig, but I know I'm town and so I'm not concerned about that.

There was 5 when I voted Mig check the vote thread dude!


I'm talking about Mig, not MZ. Mig had two votes.

Anyway it's not that important I'm mostly just busting your chops.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 14:39 GMT
#790
Oh what the fuck I did not notice Grack and TW vote Mig.

How did I miss that
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 14:40 GMT
#791
On April 07 2019 23:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2019 23:36 Pandain wrote:
On April 07 2019 23:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 07 2019 23:32 Pandain wrote:
On April 07 2019 23:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay thought MZ had more votes I guess Onegu needs to update the vote count soon -.- ##Unvote Ya Mig's wagon also built o quickly. Also Vivax I never mafia just a Hindu/Arabic recruiter looking for my friends >.<
I breadcrumbed my actual role here:
On April 06 2019 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
I looking for Hindu/Arbic mathematicians so I know who my friends are >.<

My alternate win condition was to recruit both Hindu/Arabic mathematicians into a QT with me before End game but I do with the town.


Lol dude Mig literally has two votes on him. I don't think "built up fast" has meaning in your vocabulary.

By the way I don't think MZ's wagon built up "fast" but I do find it concerning I find a lack of real opposition. There's me pushing for Mig, but I know I'm town and so I'm not concerned about that.

There was 5 when I voted Mig check the vote thread dude!


I'm talking about Mig, not MZ. Mig had two votes.

Anyway it's not that important I'm mostly just busting your chops.

Mig did have 5 votes until I unvoted LOL


Hahahaha my bad.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 14:43 GMT
#793
I honestly thought I was starting a new wagon and this whole time I was the sheep lol
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 18:11 GMT
#841
The way the votes are make it almost certain Mz is town imo
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 18:27 GMT
#856
On April 08 2019 03:19 Vivax wrote:
I feel left out. My role doesn't involve additional win cons.

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 03:11 Pandain wrote:
The way the votes are make it almost certain Mz is town imo


Why, considering it isn't even half of the game you should have a scumread on multiple peeps on that wagon.

Probably at least a couple.

But it's not the amount of people. It's the fact there's absolutely no second wagon. If mz was town there's no way mafia doesn't try to stay on a second wagon.

You could have argued mig was that but everyone left except me
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 21:48 GMT
#1092
With these votes absolutely no way mz mafia. Let's just lynch the biggest lurker here : sentinel
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 21:50 GMT
#1096
It's probably the safest play.

I have no real idea on who's mafia so in this case lynching the lurker is pretty good.

Also can't help but think it's convienant you "thought it was tomorrow" but just happened to show up ten minutes beforehand.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 21:51 GMT
#1097
I might be down to lynch palmar honestly.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 21:51 GMT
#1099
let me reread him
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 21:53 GMT
#1103
I'm not at all convinced on Palmar. I don't think he's really "lazy", maybe he's not active but he's not "lazy"
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 21:54 GMT
#1110
Anyone who has absolutely no idea should probably vote sentinel since he's by far the biggest lurker.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 21:54 GMT
#1111
On April 08 2019 06:54 disformation wrote:
outside of the meme factor im not digging the plamar lynch either.


I will admit the meme factor played a heavy role in my consideration of whether to lynch him
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 21:55 GMT
#1117
Grack join my sent lynch.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 21:56 GMT
#1118
Palmar is such a bad lynch rofl. He's essentially a non-factor but at least he is contributing some and pushing for people.

Honestly I think no lynch is that strong which is why we should lynch sentinel.

Also MZ is obv town
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:00 GMT
#1124
voting damdred but he's prob town
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:06 GMT
#1127
:obs:
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:09 GMT
#1132
Sentinel you failed the shenanigans!!!!!!!11
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:10 GMT
#1134
Regardless Damdred is null at best.

Ok the role pm is really enlightening. Would not be surprised if there's a subgame between romans and arabs.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:16 GMT
#1143
Honestly still probably a good kill for town. Most likely he would have killed town with his power.

For a day 1 lynch its not the worst
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:19 GMT
#1147
For any equivalent Roman assassins, you're probably better off trying to kill mafia than killing LightningStrike/other hindu arabs. The chance that you end up killing the head hindu arab is pretty low, but if you manage to kill mafia your other win condition goes up.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:20 GMT
#1148
I don't believe any of the wagons were mafia.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:24 GMT
#1155
Lol holyflare I think you're like me and neither hindu/arab or roman.

I was so fucking confused what was going on the entire day1 with people talking about romans and arabs.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:26 GMT
#1159
I still think TW/Rayn are town. I would add Damdred and the E-name guy to the list as well. HF strikes me as town as well.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:29 GMT
#1165
On April 08 2019 07:25 Mig wrote:
If Romans are town also and they are directly trying to kill each other it is pretty dumb. Maybe its balanced by having very few mafia?



I know from before Onegu was working hard to balance things. Honestly we don't know the set-up at all, this answer could be right or there could be other balancing activities. Or, most likely, mafia could be spread amongst everyone. I'm not going to hate the set-up when I don't even know it.


Please note that MZ was hindu/arab but it didn't say that he wanted to kill all romans. he just had to kill one specific guy. I don't think all romans want to kill all hindu/arabs and vice versa.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:34 GMT
#1172
I'm very interested why we had to have exactly 21 people. Was it just for theme or is there some sort of mechanic that relies on the fibbanachi sequence? (like a cultist maybe slowly converting people)
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 07 2019 22:36 GMT
#1174
No I read it that's what i was inspired from.

I should have gave credit it's basically just a +1 to you
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 08 2019 06:28 GMT
#1231
On April 08 2019 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't even think he was really mafia. I just couldn't be bothered to unvote.


On April 06 2019 08:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 08:09 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like this is a 10 faction game or some shit and I'm just sitting here with something that is completely anti town despite actually being town


Isn't that the way you play normally anyway?


HF a good vig shot at all times.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 08 2019 13:21 GMT
#1371
On April 08 2019 21:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mommy and daddy stop it!


Rofl. This thread has been a goldmine
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 05:32 GMT
#1529
Convert: Mocsta
Pandain
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United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 05:33 GMT
#1530
##Convert Mocsta*
Pandain
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United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 05:42 GMT
#1532
Let's do this.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 18:20 GMT
#1885
I have the answers you all seek
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 18:26 GMT
#1898
I just got home. Give me 20 minutes to read everything and make sure I want to say anything
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 18:51 GMT
#1913
I'm at page 90
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 18:58 GMT
#1940
Who the fuck is E? Euclid?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 18:59 GMT
#1944
I am another private investigator and I sent my message to Rayn.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 19:00 GMT
#1947
I think we should mass claim at this point honestly.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 19:01 GMT
#1949
X and Y are looking for each other. I am helping Y, VE is helping X.

Each night we choose someone to receive a clue about who the other person is.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 09 2019 19:02 GMT
#1952
Yes. I am not aware who my guy is. I picked someone who I thought was town because I don't know how important "Y" is and I didn't want mafia to have vital information if he was important.

And it's not "E", but it's close to that if that helps
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April 09 2019 19:04 GMT
#1957
Rayn if you're claiming it's dear E you're lying or you got bussed. Almost certainly bussed
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April 09 2019 19:12 GMT
#1982
Im just going to start saying names instead of xyz
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April 09 2019 19:19 GMT
#2001
On April 10 2019 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain why did you send me a message since i have claimed to be the same role as Eywa who has flipped before you sent out your message?



I am helping Fibbonaci find Pythagorus.

Obviously you are not Fibbonaci. However, there's almost no chance I would have selected him. My main win condition is to win with town and it seemed obvious to me that Fibbonaci (name of the game) would be an important town role. I thought I was unique and there was no one else.

Instead the far safer option is to select someone who was almost certainly town in my eyes. That way he could have some information that could help town (and use it as he will), and mafia would not have valuable information on who fibonacci was.

However all that went down the drain since all you guys practically claimed and revealed the clues.

Pandain
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April 09 2019 19:21 GMT
#2005
Ok so

E is looking for F. F is looking for P. P is looking for (E?)??
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April 09 2019 19:22 GMT
#2010
I think we should mass claim. This sort of chaos only helps town and it will be almost impossible for us to figure it out. Meanwhile, mafia probably has more information.

Also at this point I don't think E, F, and P are that important.
Pandain
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April 09 2019 19:23 GMT
#2014
HF are you one of F/E/P?
Pandain
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April 09 2019 19:25 GMT
#2019
HF did it mention anything about collaboration? Or just if you guess who the guy is you can trade 1-1 and you win?
Pandain
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April 09 2019 19:25 GMT
#2021
Is there a chance there's no mafia in this game? Maybe Inquisition is serial killer.
Pandain
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April 09 2019 19:27 GMT
#2026
So you can choose to collaborate (and not kill each other). Is there any benefit?

Or you can trade 1-1 and win.
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April 09 2019 19:30 GMT
#2036
On April 10 2019 04:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
BOTH Named mathematicians win but only ONE of the PIs wins. FUCKING DUMB.


No two of the PIs win. One mathmetician and one PI are not included.
@HF so the "collaboration" is the trade itself. Lol wtf is that
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April 09 2019 19:32 GMT
#2041
Can you guys all win if you collaborate at the same time?
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April 09 2019 19:45 GMT
#2066
READ THIS IF CONFUSED

So Holyflare is Pythagorus, and he is looking for Euclid. VE is helping Holyflare. VE sent his investigation to Palmar.

(____) is Euclid and he is looking for Fibonacci (Among Damdred Voters). Disinfo is helping Euclid. Disinfo sent his investigation to HF, but HF did not receive it.

Fibonacci is (among Damdred Voters) and he is looking for Euclid. I am helping Fibonacci. I sent my investigation to Rayn.

We could assume that Grack is Fibonacci, but it could also be possible that there were two of these mathmeticians on the Damdred vote. Or that Grack disappeared for another complete reason. Regardless, Fibonacci is one of Grack, TS, TW, or Palmar (unlikely based on how he revealed info immediately).
Pandain
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April 09 2019 19:51 GMT
#2079
I don't think it's foolproof but it's a really good idea. I also think it's almost certain regardless that you did get bussed with ewya. It makes sense in general, why there is no last message, and why he died.
Pandain
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April 09 2019 19:52 GMT
#2082
READ THIS IF CONFUSED (UPDATED)

So Holyflare is Pythagorus, and he is looking for Euclid. VE is helping Holyflare. VE sent his investigation to Palmar.

(____) is Euclid and he is looking for Fibonacci (Among Damdred Voters). Disinfo is helping Euclid. Disinfo sent his investigation to HF, but HF did not receive it.

Fibonacci is (among Damdred Voters) and he is looking for Pythagorus (Holyflare) I am helping Fibonacci. I sent my investigation to Rayn.

We could assume that Grack is Fibonacci, but it could also be possible that there were two of these mathmeticians on the Damdred vote. Or that Grack disappeared for another complete reason. Regardless, Fibonacci is one of Grack, TS, TW, or Palmar (unlikely based on how he revealed info immediately).


*Updated because I made a mistake*
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April 09 2019 19:53 GMT
#2085
Grack I hope you didn't let me down man
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April 09 2019 19:54 GMT
#2090
DO IT
Pandain
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April 09 2019 19:54 GMT
#2091
On April 10 2019 04:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
We could lynch hf instead for fun

Never a bad idea.
Pandain
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April 09 2019 19:59 GMT
#2098
Pythagorus is (HF) and is looking for Euclid (Among Damdred voters) . VE is helping Holyflare and sent a message to Palmar.

Euclid (Among Damdred Voters) is looking for Fibonacci (_________). Disinfo is helping Euclid and sent a message to HF.

Fibonacci (____________) is looking for Pythagorus (HF) I am helping Fibonacci and sent a message to Rayn.

Is this right?
Pandain
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April 09 2019 20:00 GMT
#2102
I'm assuming HF is Pythagorus because Pyth is among MF voters. It could be Kelsier.
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April 09 2019 20:01 GMT
#2103
On April 10 2019 04:59 Mig wrote:
I am fibonacci

I am looking for pythagoras. I can collaborate with them during the day time. If I am right. Both are removed at the end of the day. My role pm tells me I have a PI so if they are mine they should be able to verify that my power is collaborate and not differentiate like HF has claimed.

I was confused my HFs claim because it sounded like we had the same power but he typed in rayn and damdred. I can very clearly just name one person a day to check with. So wasnt sure if he was lying and his power did something else.

I would guess pythagoras is probably mafia. But if anyone wants to claim pythagoras then I can verify it.



LOL
Pandain
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April 09 2019 20:03 GMT
#2114
Fib- Mig
Pytho (Among MZ Voters) - Kelsier or HF
Euclid (Among Damdred Voters) (Not HF)

Given that HF has claimed one of E/F/P, he has to be Pytho.


Mig you need to collaborate with HF right now and we both win!!!!!!!!!
Pandain
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April 09 2019 20:05 GMT
#2120
wait im going to figure it out 100%
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April 09 2019 20:07 GMT
#2127
Rayn is a pro at being wrong but saying it really confidently. It's like an art.
Pandain
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April 09 2019 20:08 GMT
#2131
Poll: is there even mafia in this fucking game

no (6)
 
67%

yes (3)
 
33%

9 total votes

Your vote: is there even mafia in this fucking game

(Vote): yes
(Vote): no


Pandain
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April 09 2019 20:11 GMT
#2134
I don't mean to say you're bad at all I think you're good. It's just that you tend to get very confident about things and whether they're wrong or wrong you will stick with them obsessively.
Pandain
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April 09 2019 20:12 GMT
#2135
right or wrong*
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April 09 2019 20:15 GMT
#2139
At this point it really seems like me/VE/disinfo are town. Rayn and HF are town. If mig or hf(unlikely) is not who they say they are they will be easy lynches tomorrow.

Everyone heavily involved in this seems town to me.



I'm probably going to vote sentinel or something
Pandain
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April 09 2019 20:22 GMT
#2157
HF is just trying to save his win condition.
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April 09 2019 20:23 GMT
#2160
On April 10 2019 05:18 Tubesock wrote:
Whelp. I either lost today or won, who knows.

I bussed HF and Eywa. Didn’t townread Eywa. I had a post asking him about 4 questions and he never answered. I Also didn’t want him recruited because I thought I was to prevent collaboration between Fibonacci, Euclid, and Pythagoras. The Hindu/Arabic mathematician talk got me super nervous. I lightly townread HF, and thought he’d be the best NK, so hopefully he got shot and Eywa would die, and LS switched from claiming to recruit Damdred to Eywa, so I didn’t want that to happen at all.

This collaboration talk in thread got me super nervous so I PM’d my guesses to mods. TW is Euclid, HF is Pyth, Grack is Fib. It actually started as a question, I wanted to know if I needed an earlier time stamp than the thread collaboration.

I’m 3p, don’t win with either. As long as none of the three collaborate by endgame I win. Doesn’t even look like I need to survive.


Why did you pm a guess? If you guessed correctly you win or something?
Pandain
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April 09 2019 20:23 GMT
#2163
At this point I think everyone should just claim. Enough people have already that if there is mafia they probably know everyone who hasn't claimed by now.
Pandain
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April 09 2019 20:26 GMT
#2172
But if there's no mafia I'm concerned how town "wins"

That might be why everyone has "alt" win conditions. There is no normal win condition and everyone has their own special one.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 05:57 GMT
#2300
Mocsta did you ever claim?
Pandain
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April 10 2019 06:01 GMT
#2301
Anyone here?
Pandain
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April 10 2019 06:08 GMT
#2303
The biggest reason is he claimed he doesn't have an alt win-con.

We already have like 18 or something people with alt win cons. What's the chance of someone who's not scum not having one? What, like one town was left out?

Also he has not been active at all compared to last game vivax who had sooooo many posts.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 07:18 GMT
#2307
On April 08 2019 03:19 Vivax wrote:
I feel left out. My role doesn't involve additional win cons.

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2019 03:11 Pandain wrote:
The way the votes are make it almost certain Mz is town imo


Why, considering it isn't even half of the game you should have a scumread on multiple peeps on that wagon.

Pandain
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April 10 2019 07:27 GMT
#2308
On April 09 2019 07:00 rsoultin wrote:
And another rumor circulates: that the Genoa resistance is growing.



This basically confirms to me that there is some sort of cultist, and he is almost certainly one of Sentinel/Palmar/Vivax/Grackaroni.

All of them should role claim (note that Grack isn't here yet). Two of them should be the "star crossed lovers". I have no idea about the other two.


I see two different options for this game.

1. There are mafia, and they are spread across these different factions.
2. There are no mafia, but there is a cultist who slowly spreads (Fibonacci sequence style).
Pandain
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April 10 2019 09:15 GMT
#2311
HF it was triggered before when TS guessed you guys
Pandain
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April 10 2019 09:16 GMT
#2312
No matter what you and TW (and TS? No idea) were leaving end of day
Pandain
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April 10 2019 09:37 GMT
#2315
Ok but the opposite is that end of day comes and you and TW disappear and Mig and I are shit out of luck. You don't trust him that's okay, I do. His post seemed honest to me.

Also we play to win. It's literally written in the rules you should play to win. If you have a problem with it you can blame the game setup but don't start blaming players about fulfilling win conditions. Particuarly since it fulfills two.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 10:02 GMT
#2318
Yes you should claim.

Basically almost everyone has claimed now, and HF Mig and TW were in a subgame trying to find each other so they could kill each other. Me VE and disinfo were private investigators each working with one but who could send messages to random people that gave clues about identities.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 10:38 GMT
#2322
On April 10 2019 19:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man I can't believe Mig did it even though I said I had a gun. Everyone else assumed that meant I'd shoot him for it, that was clear wasn't it?

I must have missed your post.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 14:37 GMT
#2403
On April 10 2019 23:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm mostly perturbed by the loss of Pandain, he was one of my strongest townreads.


I will be here (I think).

Also even if I win I'm still going to be playing for town.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 14:46 GMT
#2406
I'll be honest Palmar's role makes absolutely no sense.

I'm still really confused about Mocsta's and LS's role. They have the ability to "recruit" people, but that doesn't do anything to help them at all, except maybe in terms of making it harder for the other faction to destroy all of them.

If he's actually telling the truth (definitely not certain), his role seems really weird for an outside party to have. Like he's a town role that has a part in another town mini-game. There must be some sort of other recruiter from either a cultist or mafia, or else his role is sort of just....not fun or interesting for him at all.

This is why I think we should be lynching into people who haven't claimed yet like Sentinel/Vivax. Honestly they will (should) almost certainly come back here.

I definitely don't think Sentinel is a bad lynch, but last game I thought it was supremely obvious Vivax was town, whereby I don't get that sense in this game. That by itself worries me.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 14:56 GMT
#2408
Vivax and Sentinel will almost certainly come in here and claim.

My vote will depend based on what they say.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 16:36 GMT
#2414
Damdred looking like a modkill
Pandain
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April 10 2019 16:37 GMT
#2415
The last of the Hindu arabs
Pandain
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April 10 2019 19:13 GMT
#2427
We've already established that at least 2/3 of people do.

All 8 math council guys, 6 famous guys and helpers, tube, jock. Kelsier has claimed as well, and his indicates that two others have it as well. If kelsier is telling truth that means at least 19/21.


The only five who have claimed no win con or haven't claimed are vivax, grack, sentinel, palmar. None of which are that townie.

But even so that's not the only reason for voting him. I've heard as town(and seen from last game) he's super obvious town and super active. Even when he was here he was not playing like that. I have no doubt some irl things might have come up, but it can't explain everything.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 19:14 GMT
#2428
I could see maaaaybe palmar not having one since his role might end up being super useful, but short of vivax coming in here and explaining his I think it's a safe bet.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 19:16 GMT
#2429
Actually I don't even think the win con thing is thaaat important. If kelsier is telling truth mafia almost certainly has win conditions
Pandain
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April 10 2019 21:38 GMT
#2456
I would do palmar for the lols
Pandain
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April 10 2019 21:40 GMT
#2458
Also would not he surprised it he's mafia. At all .
Pandain
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April 10 2019 21:53 GMT
#2464
Stay on course. Being uncertain only helps magia
Pandain
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April 10 2019 21:56 GMT
#2466
I have no doubt some weird shit could happen but whatever its a theme game
Pandain
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April 10 2019 21:59 GMT
#2468
Goodbye Mig my sweet mathmatician
Pandain
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April 10 2019 22:00 GMT
#2471

Pandain
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April 10 2019 22:19 GMT
#2478
This is great but obviously sucks at same time. Sentinel and palmar should be next peeps.

Is there a reason damdred is not mod killed despite not having posted since early day1?
Pandain
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April 10 2019 22:21 GMT
#2482
Also note that vivax role pm


"Your loyalty to Genoa - and the Genoese diplomat who recruited you - is unwavering"

Palmar not looking good
Pandain
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April 10 2019 22:21 GMT
#2484
On April 11 2019 07:20 disformation wrote:
damdred was modkilled

Oh I can't read
Pandain
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April 10 2019 22:22 GMT
#2486
Heading to sleep good job gang.
Pandain
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April 10 2019 22:23 GMT
#2487
Note grack doesn't have one either
Pandain
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April 10 2019 22:24 GMT
#2489
I would honestly be surprised if there's more than one mafia left
Pandain
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April 10 2019 22:27 GMT
#2493
@FF shoot palmar?
Pandain
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April 10 2019 22:28 GMT
#2494
Even if I had won I would never betray my team because it's a huge dick move.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 02:36 GMT
#2521
Sentinel roleclaim
Pandain
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April 11 2019 08:45 GMT
#2526
@Kelsier,

Does your role suggest how you "Untwine" them?
Pandain
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April 11 2019 08:47 GMT
#2527
Like does it say you have to pick someone or what.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 09:22 GMT
#2531
On April 11 2019 17:54 Palmar wrote:
We have 10 people left.

If you all are not changing your mind about lynching me and can shoot me it might be better, although assuming mafia kills 2 or something we might actually not have enough time left to do something. It's almost certain we have 2 mafia left, possibly 3 because it appears Grack got converted. This seems to be a swing mechanic so assuming normal balance, 4-ish mafia, it's very likely that it swung to 5 mafia.

If I die + 2 night kills it's going to be 4v3. If there's an additional recruitment mechanic it might be gg but I kinda doubt that would be the case as swinging to 6 mafia i just broken.

It's pretty obvious I'm getting screwed by an anti-massclaim mechanic (tubesock's role was an anti-massclaim mechanic too). Either mafia has dual roles, or was provided with fake claims. Both are quite likely.

Can't even blame the hosts, this just town being dumb.



I think it's extremely likely there is only one mafia left. And the most would be 2.

Think about how extremely powerful the mafia converting mechanic is. Even if we lynched mafia right every single day, we would still never win unless we lynched the original converter. We can assume maybe he can only convert a couple night. Even with this, there are so many town roles (that we know are town) that had win objectives to kill other towns. This suggests a lower mafia count. And an original two is not that low anyway; if you think about it odds were that you would be able to get to 4 by day 2 (and given that two are recruits it makes them more powerful).

Anyway FF can't kill you, his powers only work on Hindu Arabs. Kelsier should jail Palmar tonight.

Anyway the diplomat thing is not even the main reason you are being lynched. You've done absolutely nothing this game and no real scumhunting. Even this post doesn't push towards anyone, it's just defense. Mafia had a huge incentive to not vote Vivax (as they would lose two people). This makes it extremely likely that Fecalfeast, slam, dis, and especially me (as the final and definitive vote) are town. It also makes the last scum (or two) almost certainly among Mocsta, Palmar, VE, Kelsier, and Rayn.

I heavily heavily doubt any of the Assasins (rayn and FF) are scum. The ability to have additiona (consecutive) l free shots at town? no fucking way

That makes the last two scum extremely likely between Mocsta, Palmar, VE, and Kelsier. Mocsta strikes me as town (although I will re-examine him) , making it between Palmar, VE, and Kelsier.

Of these, you are by far the best choice. You claimed a role title that is literally referenced in another post as mafia. You voted Sentinel and not Vivax, and have failed to really do anything on any day so far. This was the extent of your reasoning on Sentinel.
On April 10 2019 22:57 Palmar wrote:
I think we should just kill sentinel though.

Aside from all the role stuff dude is playing like mafia.


You clearly don't really care about this game because you haven't had anything meaningful to say regarding lynches on Day 1 or Day 2. Whether that's because you're sick or afk or busy or mafia, it's uncertain. But it's a big red flag in your play.

So if you get lynched, it's because the signs lead here.

I'm not even certain you are the best lynch, I'll look into Kelsier and VE and Mocsta. But you're a great lynch.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 09:39 GMT
#2534
What do you think about the last mafia (or two) being between VE, Kelsier, and Mocsta (excluding you since you will work on the assumption you're town)
Pandain
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April 11 2019 09:55 GMT
#2538
Oooh I'm going to note I left out Sentinel in people who didn't vote Vivax. I forgot because he didn't vote at all so I didn't count him
Pandain
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April 11 2019 10:48 GMT
#2545
It makes no sense why Grack would get removed by mafia since he was converted. Therefore he must have been removed by town. Since no one has claimed another role yet, barring sentinel claiming something, kelsier must be telling the truth
Pandain
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April 11 2019 11:01 GMT
#2547
On April 11 2019 19:52 disformation wrote:
maybe they wanted to protect grack from being killed on accident to protect vivax?
sound super far fetched though

No way. Only possible explanation is if conversion is random, but I'm not going to treat that as likely at this point. But it's possible because converting grack is a bit weird.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:01 GMT
#2555
I completely agree.
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April 11 2019 14:02 GMT
#2558
What do you think about what I said about Kelsier above on this page.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:02 GMT
#2559
@Kelsier can you share your chat with grack?
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April 11 2019 14:15 GMT
#2567
On April 11 2019 23:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2019 19:48 Pandain wrote:
It makes no sense why Grack would get removed by mafia since he was converted. Therefore he must have been removed by town. Since no one has claimed another role yet, barring sentinel claiming something, kelsier must be telling the truth

Grack could have easily been lynched D2, I could see them trying to protect Grack. Maybe there's something specific they had in mind, I really couldn't say.

You mentioned as well earlier that it's possible, even likely, that mafia don't know who they are recruiting or whatever, it could just be a coincidence that Kels jailed him to protect him on the same night he was recruited.


I think this is an absolutely terrible argument and I hadn't scum-read you but now you are pretty suspicious.

Practically no one was scum-reading Grack, and why would you remove someone in order to "protect them" when you could have just removed a pro-town player from the game. Removing grack from the game is removing a vote.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:22 GMT
#2569
Oh so Kelsier (if he's telling the truth) converted Grack.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:28 GMT
#2572
If you think I'm mafia after being the definitive vote for Vivax, taking out two mafia, when I could have at any time changed to Sentinel, then you have more respect for me then you should.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:30 GMT
#2575
Anyway it's still an extremely weak argument because again, no one was talking about Grack at that point. And the benefit of jail-keeping someone like HF or Palmar (if town) is waaaaay better than the small benefit of not having to worry about Grack being lynched.

Do you see what I mean? The benefit of jail-keeping an active pro-town player is way more huge than the small, only potential benefit of making sure grack doesn't get lynched.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:31 GMT
#2577
By the way I don't mean to make you mad or anything, I don't think you're bad or anything like that. I'm just pushing your opinions because I think they're weak, but it doesn't mean because you think they're the most important arguments or anything.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:33 GMT
#2582
Maybe HF? Maybe you?
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:34 GMT
#2584
Anyway what do you guys think about the fact that, if you think Sentinel is mafia, that we had two mafia's being lynched last night. Is that likely? Does it make sense based on votes?

I have no idea I need to think about it.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:42 GMT
#2596
Unfortunately we have no medic or doctors this game. Also makes me think, unlike rayn, that there might be no roleblocker for mafia.
Pandain
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April 11 2019 14:45 GMT
#2598
I have no idea without cops how we would figure out the game if there's another conversion.

Like if FF got converted we are probably never going to lynch him, he could even lynch him scum buddies and we would have no idea what to do or be likely to lynch him.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 15:18 GMT
#2613
If Kelsier is Mafia that means that he would have 100% known that he can convert grack to mafia. Basically a free +1, but in a really fucking weird way.

Do you guys think that is likely?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 18:36 GMT
#2617
Sent can't get shot.

I think jailing Palmar and then lynching sent is a decent idea.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 18:37 GMT
#2619
If there is a convertor cultist I can't help but think it's 100% between Palmar and Sentinel. Either way this takes care of it by roleblocking and/or lynching
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 18:43 GMT
#2621
Oh great point I am still looking for Pythagorus.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 18:43 GMT
#2622
Me you Rayn and ff are basically confirmed town. The night kills will definitely be from us.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 18:52 GMT
#2626
I mean honestly if there's genuine conversion I have no idea how we would ever solve this game. That's why I mostly leave it out of calculations.

Like I said if FF got converted we would never lynch him
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 19:03 GMT
#2628
Last night we had a clue from the host that someone got converted

"The resistance is growing"

I hope if someone gets converted they write the same thing. It will give at least a fighting chance in the end game.

The good thing is that if there is a cultist I can't see any chance that he can use his power more than once. Given his power increases tenfold the further the game goes, and the fact this setup had town vs town factions who were bound to kill each other sooner or later، the game would just be too mafia favored
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 20:05 GMT
#2632
Tired AF so I probably won't be up for the night.

Palmar was suspicious but Sentinel's filter is just wayyyyy too bad. It's so bad even if he is town I would probably still want to lynch him.

If Sentinel is scum I wouldn't lynch Palmar; someone between Mocsta and VE probably.

If Sentinel is town I would probably lynch Palmar next round.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 20:08 GMT
#2633
Sentinel's filter is so bad it's like he's trying to look suspicious. The only thing that was holding me off was the fact that he was the second highest vote and I don't have high confidence in TL Mafia town's, but maybe mafia just got screwed by having Vivax and Sentinel be AFK and the last mafia guy just tried to bus sentinel.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 11 2019 20:34 GMT
#2636
If Sentinel is town, no way mafia has 3 people. That would have meant last night they would have had four people (at least three active) and could easily have led a wagon away from Vivax. Mafia would probably have 2. Among Palmar/Mocsta/VE.

If Sentinel is mafia, they they probably have 2-3. Probably among Mocsta/VE/Slam.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 09:25 GMT
#2657
On April 12 2019 18:05 disformation wrote:
i think i'd like for ksc to not use his stuff next night phase.

voting sent


I agree with this. We have enough information now.

Honestly Sentinel's claim is mind-boggling. I can't believe any townie actually checks Palmar in this point.

I think he managed to get in one last conversion and now he's just trying anything to avoid getting lynched.

If Sentinel is mafia, we go to VE next.

If he is somehow town, we lynch Palmar.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 09:26 GMT
#2658
I'm not sure how we can address the converted people. We will just have to guess in the end-game, the best plan for us is to try to aim for the cultist and lynch him.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 15:01 GMT
#2672
I don't like all the votes and I don't like that Mocsta got shot
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 16:44 GMT
#2678
Is that a real claim?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 16:54 GMT
#2682
You should be modkilled
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:03 GMT
#2693
There's a huge difference between not really caring once you've won(and maybe going AFK) and outing an entire game and stopping the game for everyone else. At that point it's not about you "not caring" its about you just wanting to ruin the game.

I mean I'm not even sure if I believe you still because of how bad it is to out your team, but at this point might as well lynch KSC.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:13 GMT
#2696
Yeah the game was really awesome. Am still having a lot of fun.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:22 GMT
#2700
Kelsier role OP

Both a jailer and a cultist. Spread some love hosts!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:24 GMT
#2701
If I was Kelsier I feel like I would be terrified of doing anything that would get me lynched. I would just want to keep playing the game so I could keep using my night actions.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:48 GMT
#2707
Actually I think Rayn truly doesn't give a fuck, but as a town and not mafia.
I really don't believe that mafia would ever recruit him for the reasons he said.
And rayn definitely started at least as town because there's no way the hosts give mafia a repeat vigilante, so this isn't some sort of mafia play to get a mislynch.


I also don't believe Kelsier has both a cultist and a jailer role. Both of those roles are amazing. In one person?

Also I truly believe that Kelsier converted Grack as part of his jailer role, because it is really weird for mafia just to randomly convert Grack of all people.

And why would mafia kelsier jail or agree to jail mafia palmar?

Also read this:

On April 12 2019 00:18 Pandain wrote:
If Kelsier is Mafia that means that he would have 100% known that he can convert grack to mafia. Basically a free +1, but in a really fucking weird way.

Do you guys think that is likely?



Finally, it's pretty convenient that the "mafia team" happen to be exactly the people rayn thought were mafia pre-claim.

I'm going back to Sentinel.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:49 GMT
#2709
I also genuinely don't believe, despite what he's saying, that Rayn would actually out a mafia team if he got converted.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:50 GMT
#2710
If Palmar is the cultist that means no one could have been recruited today because Palmar was jailed. Palmar can't be the cultist.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:51 GMT
#2712
All signs lead to Sentinel. Stay on course people.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:52 GMT
#2713
Oh shit for some reason I thought that for the last like day and night.

I still don't think he started day 1 mafia though.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:54 GMT
#2716
Kelsier being mafia just makes no sense to me. Disinfo what you think of my reasons above?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:57 GMT
#2718
Rayn who did Kelsier say he converted night 1. Grack?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 17:58 GMT
#2721
Rayn if what you are saying is true they are literally the most incompetant mafia team in history.

And you think Palmar is part of that team?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 18:02 GMT
#2725
Palmar has 106 posts here in the thread and 2 in the QT?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 19:11 GMT
#2740
Rayn claiming cop is just another way of saying he was lying about the original thing. He's not actually a cop
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 19:12 GMT
#2741
I don't think it makes him mafia. But if Sentinel ends up being mafia I think he might be a good choice for people who might be converted.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 19:15 GMT
#2743
Rayn tunnels on people. Once he makes up his mind nothing will ever change it. Last game I played with him he tunneled on Acro (town) the entire game until he got shot.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 19:16 GMT
#2744
We have to go for the cultist this night. Otherwise we might just lose if cultist can continually reuse his powers.

Sentinel is the best chance considering he's probably not a real cop.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 19:18 GMT
#2745
Kelsier might actually be mafia. But he's almost certainly not the cultist.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 12 2019 19:24 GMT
#2749
On April 13 2019 04:22 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2019 04:16 Pandain wrote:
We have to go for the cultist this night. Otherwise we might just lose if cultist can continually reuse his powers.

Sentinel is the best chance considering he's probably not a real cop.

yes, we need the cultist or its gege.
i still think psamlar makes sense for cultist... but he should not have been able to convert someone this night.

down to ksc vs sent.

i agree that sent is very not cop.
question is if ksc lied about his role. eg sent could be the remover and ksc the converter. makes sense with ksc's role name?

dunno. whole bunch of them is that afk that i cant tell if they are aware enough of stuff to go for teh plays.


That's a really great question and would be pretty sick. But it's really far-forward thinking at a time they didn't have to be.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 18:41 GMT
#2782
If we're trying to kill the cultist Kelsier is the last person we want to lynch. There is no way that one guy has both a jailkeeper and cultist role in one.

And if he was the cultist and that's how his role worked, why would he ever choose Grack? Why not choose someone who could be a powerful town influence? No one was talking about Grack or wanted to lynch him. It doesn't make any sense.

Kelsier could be mafia but there's no way he's the cultist.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 18:42 GMT
#2783
And yeah the thing about untwining lovers sounds realistic. It sounds like an actual pre-made, thought out idea.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 18:43 GMT
#2784
And if you're okay with lynching him because he's probably mafia anyway (not sure about that), you should lynch Sentinel beforehand anyway. Absolutely everyone has a wonky role here but he happens to have a normal role? And his filter is terrible.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 18:49 GMT
#2785
Slam what you thinking?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:01 GMT
#2787
It's also extremely likely sentinel will just show up last second and vote Kelsier/whoever is the next person.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:03 GMT
#2788
I agree with your analysis but I don't understand how it leads you to stay on KSC. Like if KSC converted people through jailing them, he could have picked way better people than Grack. That's not a question of different philosophies, it just doesn't make any sense from a mafia perspective.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:04 GMT
#2789
I hate the fact that Sentinel threw away his vote and Slam hasn't voted yet despite being here.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:04 GMT
#2790
Makes me feel uneasy about all of this
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:16 GMT
#2792
It only makes sense from a townie perspective. KSC had a win condition about "Untangling lovers", grack stated he was in love so he targeted him.

It completely makes sense and is completely logical.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:17 GMT
#2793
Rayn you're completely tunneled. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one of FF or disinfo is converted and joining you.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:21 GMT
#2795
Rayn is actually almost certain to stay town until he gets shot. Mafia would never risk converting him.

It's the one consistent in this game.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:23 GMT
#2796
Disinfo if you change your vote you can guarantee a sentinel lynch no matter the rest of the votes, as long as VE and Kelsier don't change.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:44 GMT
#2801
KSC said he converted Grack a while ago. That's not the question; the question is "Is KSC the actual cultist, or was this a one-off power for a townie". His claim is his role was to "sync" two lovers, and Grack wrote he was in love so KSC targeted him without thinking too much about it. It sounds logical to me.

Also KSC admitted that upon rereading his role PM he probably converted Grack. Why would he admit this if he was the real cultist? No one had suspected that KSC was responsible.

Personally I think theres a real cultist but he probably has some heavy limitations. Maybe two converts maximum or unable to do something day 1 or something like that. I can't see hosts just leaving a cultist in the game with unlimited converts.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:45 GMT
#2803
It just makes no sense why Kelsier would claim he converted him if he was actually the cultist (and probably bring suspicion to himself). And if you think he's the actual cultist and that's his real power, why would he pick grack in a million years. The explanation of his town role just makes more sense imo.

It's okay if you believe it. It just means you're probably mafia and we're fucked if Slam is too.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:47 GMT
#2804
Yeah and imo it's almost certainly one of Slam, you, me, or FF. It's not me and both you and FF are voting for KSC, so this is just where the logic leads me.

And if you think KSC is mafia that means you think mafia has the power to remove players from the game. Oh and if you think he's the cultist they also have the power to convert that person to. That's incredibally imbalanced.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:56 GMT
#2809
On April 14 2019 05:47 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 05:45 Pandain wrote:
It just makes no sense why Kelsier would claim he converted him if he was actually the cultist (and probably bring suspicion to himself). And if you think he's the actual cultist and that's his real power, why would he pick grack in a million years. The explanation of his town role just makes more sense imo.

It's okay if you believe it. It just means you're probably mafia and we're fucked if Slam is too.

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 14 2019 05:03 Pandain wrote:
I agree with your analysis but I don't understand how it leads you to stay on KSC. Like if KSC converted people through jailing them, he could have picked way better people than Grack. That's not a question of different philosophies, it just doesn't make any sense from a mafia perspective.

Whoever converted grack makea no sense based on what townies know so thats a dumb argument.

like what is so hard about that?
i am also very unhappy you are calling me scum.


Explain rayn's statement to me.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 20:58 GMT
#2811
Doesn't that prove that Kelsier is not the cultist?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:00 GMT
#2812
Ok at this point you're probably mafia lol
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:09 GMT
#2815
No

KSC claimed his role even before the whole debacle with the mathmeticians and 5 people dying, which completely changed the game. There's no way mafia knew what would happen (all mathematicians were town) and were preparing just "one more day". KSC is almost certainly not lying about his role.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:10 GMT
#2816
No KSC doesn't strike me as extremely town. But Sentinel is almost certainly mafia, and has a very high chance of being the recruiter.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:39 GMT
#2821
I think you're reading too much into why people do or don't do certain things. Not everyone in this game is eager or wants to share all information about their role. In fact, that mindset is why we have a whole bunch of townies dead. It doesn't mean he's town, but it doesn't mean he's mafia either.

Let's say Sentinel, Vivax, and KSC are all scum. That's 3 scums, the ability to remove someone from the game, and the ability to convert someone every day. In a setup where town's are fighting other town's that's pretty intense. In fact, if we hadn't lynched scum day 2 it would already be GG (5 vs 4). If we had lynched a non-cultist scum it would be (4vs6). Either way is pretty unforgiving.

This is why I think it's extremely likely there might only be one scum remaining (now 2 with the converted). It also explains the loss of kp with the loss of just one person.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:45 GMT
#2824
dude your so close disinfo come on
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:51 GMT
#2827
It just makes more sense. Everyone has had one role so far, even vivax.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:53 GMT
#2830
Next plans:

Sent is Scum Cultist: Amazing. Last scum, if exists, is probably FF or slam. Lynch one by one.

Sent is Scum (Not Cultist): Lynch KSC.

Sent is town: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:54 GMT
#2831
Even if Sent is scum not cultist mafia only has one KP
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:56 GMT
#2835
Are we really the only ones here. There's 10 people in the game
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 21:58 GMT
#2838
There's no way he's town dude.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 22:01 GMT
#2842
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 22:03 GMT
#2845
fucking fuck
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 13 2019 22:06 GMT
#2847
So someone definitely has a double role
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 14 2019 21:20 GMT
#2888
GG was a fun theme game. Was definitely scum favored imo but all the alt-win conditions were really fun.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 14 2019 21:21 GMT
#2889
Welcome to the Genoa Resistance disinformation!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 14 2019 21:22 GMT
#2892
There was no mafia recruiter. The mafia team as a whole got to recruit someone. That really threw off town strategy because we were assuming that we could lynch the recruiter. It also means that no matter who we lynched there was new mafia coming.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-14 21:31:20
April 14 2019 21:29 GMT
#2899
Disinformation I thought you played really well! I mean town was tunneled hard on there being a town recruiter so that fundamentally decided the last days lynch (and thinking surrounding it), but without you I don't think vivax would have been lynched.

you should sign up for artanis's game

I really loved day 2. It was just so crazy and no one had any idea what was going on.
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