Completely agree that the way Rayne and TW talked about their role heavily suggests their town. It's really hard to explain and isn't a guarantee, but it gives me a strong gut feeling. I also like how active TW has been.

Because Meapak pointed this out he also gives me town vibes as well.

Pandain

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April 07 2019 11:29 GMT

#702

I'm actually happy I was busy because the discussion on me helped make the thread alive and was very useful. I mean, I'm going to be honest, I'm 100% a lurker at this point with only a short paragraph as a post.

On April 07 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote:

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This is the post that Pandain +1d by the way.

"I am town with win conditions"

mz auto towns rayn for it even though like 8 other people have said the same thing

pandain doesn't even realise and just blindly agrees

This is my fault for not explaining, I should have explained more.
It's not at all that they claimed they have win conditions which make me think rayne and TW are town. It's what they posted that demonstrates a town mentality.

On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc.
I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm.

It's not the win condition part but rather the above bolded sentence. It strikes me as a townie who has an actual role that he's seriously thinking about and contemplating.

I would actually agree that if you have an alternate win condition you're likely not mafia (but maybe! not certain at all!). The fact that this post seems very genuine makes me think he's telling the truth.

On April 06 2019 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
i actually have a sneaking suspicion that a certain person mentioned in my role is mafia

Same reasoning for this post. If I was mafia I don't think I would be thinking about my role pm in this way. If I was mafia maybe I write "haha my role pm is weird" or "i have win condition" or speculate about the setup. But the ambiguity of this post and the way he wrote about it "i wonder if this guy in my role pm is mafia" seems a little bit out of left park for mafia.

Typing it out makes it seem like a bit of a crapshoot but to be honest that's all day one anyway. All of these reads will change as days actually progress, but this is what I feel right now.

This all is hard to explain but it's what I feel. I hope it made some sense to some people.

Pandain

United States11685 Posts

April 07 2019 11:33 GMT

#703

I'm going to vote Mig. I don't have the hours for this day cycle to examine absolutely everyone (though I will go through MZ and damdred and palmar based on discussion), but Mig really stood out to me.

On April 06 2019 13:43 Mig wrote:
Hi I am here

VE shadiest to me so far. Comes in and feels the need to let us know he has reads but he isnt ready to post any of them yet. Asks slam a close to pointless question and just snap agrees with him, makes an early activity excuse and makes some easy setup speculation posts. So touches of guilty conscience posts + fake activity without actually looking for mafia.

VE have enough people posted for you to share your reads yet? And if so what are they? Majority of the players have posted by now.

@holyflare why is FF in your town circle? Nothing he has posted seems towny to me. Especially his post about LS always looking mafia to him but then flipping to saying I guess you are towny enough, feels off to me.

Grack/sentinel/jockm/ksc/ff all useless so far. Slam I have no clue.

disfos post about having to read his pm 5 times felt townie to me for some reason.

Like other's said - an extremely safe post. Not bad in of itself but not good either.

On April 06 2019 14:11 Mig wrote:
Theres 15 pages of content, thats not enough for you to have any ideas? Its hard to find mafia day1 but there is plenty of content to at least have some ideas.

Then this seemed extremely contradictory. Mig literally has done nothing this game except the above empty post and ask a couple people some questions. I think whenever someone is an obvious mindset contradiction like this it reeks of mafia.

Pandain

United States11685 Posts

April 07 2019 11:42 GMT

#706

On April 07 2019 20:36 Holyflare wrote:

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^ so why aren't you voting damdred pandain?

I don't agree that him talking about three factions means he must either be mafia or 3p. This is a themed game; it's very possible his role pm hints at there being a third party of some sort. And this doesn't mean that he's 3p, maybe he's a town with an alt-win condition of killing someone else.

I'm a bit confused though, damdred are you claiming that you need to kill rayn and vice versa? , or was that just an example.

If anything I think damdred is suspicious but not because of role and set-up talk, but rather because he's talked about absolutely nothing else for the whole two days. But I would still rather lynch mig.

Pandain

United States11685 Posts

April 07 2019 11:46 GMT

#708

On April 07 2019 20:44 Mocsta wrote:
Pandain #706
I agree with first paragraph in full.

I have an opinion on paragraph 2, but will leave this for damdred.

para 3: Damdred hasnt posted since Early Day1. I dont think thats a fair position to take (nothing els for the whole two days)

Completely fair, I'll take it back.

@HF what do you think about MiG?

Pandain

United States11685 Posts

April 07 2019 11:59 GMT

#711

I said mafia would post like that. I didn't say everyone who posted like that would be mafia - and I would never vote someone based on that. There's nothing at all weird about speculating about set-up, it's what everyone does. That's why I said mafia probably would as well - but it does not at all imply exclusivity.

And note as Mocsta said he's been gone since early Day 1.

I said I haven't read everyone yet and will only have time to read some. I don't feel compelled to completely read everything and all wagons before I place a vote, as long as I do read them before the day's end.

If I always waited to read everyone before making a vote or posting, then I would never post except at the very very end and no one would like that. MZ is on my list, if you want to hear my thoughts you'll have to wait for half an hour or so.

Pandain

United States11685 Posts

April 07 2019 12:00 GMT

#712

On April 07 2019 20:52 Holyflare wrote:
He's made like 1-2 mediocre posts voting an easy target and that's it.

This should probably concern you. It's textbook mafia.

Pandain

United States11685 Posts

April 07 2019 12:20 GMT

#714

@Mocsta I'm never going to lynch someone based on Meta. Last game literally everyone was off about everyone, and it was in very large part to people being very confident they could "read" people based on playstyle. Furthermore, any competent player (as mafia or town) should be able to diversify their play. And palmar is definitely not stupid.

Palmar could be mafia, but I like his posts enough that he should definitely not be lynched today.

Pandain

United States11685 Posts

April 07 2019 12:22 GMT

#715

Actually I just re-read what you wrote and you're more concerned with his post rather than just being "lazy".

I actually agree it's suspicious, but I still want to wait an extra day.

Pandain

United States11685 Posts

April 07 2019 13:25 GMT

#738

RE: Damdred

1) Damdred didn't post anything that looked like reading the game, just mechanics and role stuff.

Sure, but he hasn't been around since early day 1. That should be expected early day 1

2) Damdred's role stuff positions him to act as 3p. The only people who GAIN by being perceived as 3p are mafia.

Sure, you're right, but just because it positions him to act as 3p in no way means that he intentionally is aiming for that. You're reading a possible explanation as the most likely explanation. He could have information in his role pm suggesting third parties, or he could just be extrapolating based on what people are saying and the theme of the game.

Pandain

United States11685 Posts

April 07 2019 13:30 GMT

#740

I just read MZ. I agree it looks contradictory. I don't think it's a bad lynch but I'll keep my vote on Mig for the time being.