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On March 06 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:05 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 18:00 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 17:59 rsoultin wrote:
real talk HF is part of why you think Ace isn't scum because it's mocsta bringing the case? No I just think Ace isn't stupid. so to confirm Ita got nothing to do with that i initiated.... Cos its funny u can apply heuristics to him and then expect diff from me Cos ur case on me was about "stupid" inconsistencies Again. Its yes or no Do u really see town motivation in his 2page filter? My case on you was about something you said that didn't appear in any of the filters i read and also the total disconnect between you voting conversion with palmar (for a really bad case) after just raging at palmar and then having no qualms being on my mayor wagon when I said I'd lynch palmarMy read on ace is that he's up to something and the negative points on him are either him not reading the thread or him playing some kind of reaction test. The point i do follow is his koshi vote which was bad. I want to see what he has to say.
Oh right that was what it was that was good.
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On March 06 2019 18:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 18:12 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2019 18:09 rsoultin wrote:
HF has kind of a blind spot for 'good' players doing 'stupid' things he can't imagine they'd do as scum. See Damerion in the game you were scum with him. Oh, mocsta, I asked this earlier but it probably got swallowed somewhere in all the posts.
Did I ever do a deep dive on you? I thought I did but I can't find it :/ I dont recall I think u called me scum n1 though No I mean from an earlier game. There are a few people I dove through several games for and I thought you were one of them. I'm not sure if that's not just Damerion but if you remember I'd really like to find it cause I doubt I'll have the time for anything like that in this monstrosity. I forget what HF said about you that was good N1 but it was good lol >< god I'm getting worse. i dont think u did But u did eat out of my palm I had the mocsta monlogues in qt Pretty much 13months ago My first game in like 5 yrs so not much to deep dive As for hf case on me The inly point of merit was that i agreed with palmar conversion read and was ok for hf to lynch him I still dont see the issue And i didnt go about it like ace did even thoigh superficially it seems similar Ace advocated in his limited posts how important it was to have both candidates etc. And then is ok to lynch both So major difference One cares.. one doesnt It should be apparant to all
It was probably the palm-eating that gave me the vague impression your scum game's good. Heaven forbid I be duped by someone who's just shit lol >< I'm going through my own analysis in a second that I put off like a lazy ass hoping to get shot heh
Anyone else keep forgetting DF is playing this game? <- makes him prob scum
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On March 06 2019 19:30 Mocsta wrote:
Any reasons onegu is town?
None that I can see.
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On March 06 2019 20:17 rsoultin wrote:None that I can see.
To elaborate, I expect more from him even when he's barely playing as town. He's kinda the guy who comes in with his own thing and it's interesting. At least he was.
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On March 06 2019 20:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 20:20 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 20:17 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 19:30 Mocsta wrote:
Any reasons onegu is town? None that I can see. To elaborate, I expect more from him even when he's barely playing as town. He's kinda the guy who comes in with his own thing and it's interesting. At least he was. is onegu enoigh to stop u laying a vote on ace?
No cause he doesn't give enough for me to be confident on that lol ><
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My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.
Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.
And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.
Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash.
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia: - He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
*note to self to review acro case during filter dives
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Oh, Damdred, not opposed to a BH lynch on principle btw but why is FF town to you?
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On March 06 2019 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:36 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, Damdred, not opposed to a BH lynch on principle btw but why is FF town to you? I kinda think FF is town too. Last night i read his filter and it sounded super honest to me.
Actually I love FF's filter >< lol. The question wasn't to learn anything about FF's alignment, though I appreciate your weighing in.
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On March 06 2019 21:49 Tubesock wrote:
Rsoultin, after you look at my short filter, I’m around for questions if you have them.
Although I’m on Africa hotel internet and it may go away for a bit as it tends to do.
I see you and I'll let you know if I do.
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On March 06 2019 21:53 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:13 rsoultin wrote:
My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.
Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.
And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.
Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash. What do you think of sent? I've just spent half an hour looking through his filter and he hasn't contributed anything new at all in the last few visits. Its not just a case of low activity but its what he's doing (or not doing) when he's active. He's arguing points that have no benefit to town or hedging on his previous reads.
Noted. My EoD opinion was he wasn't awful but he hasn't caught my eye since which isn't a good sign. I'll get back to you once I've gotten to him.
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@Tube
My initial problem with you was how much time you seemed to be spending on your townreads vs. scumreads with pokes that didn't seem to lead anywhere being the rest of your filter. But on a reread it looks better largely cause I can see the read progression on some of the players.
Can you please explain your read on Palmar D1 and what made you okay with a Conversion lynch?
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Oh, I'd totally kill them lol >< HF wasn't wrong about that
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On March 06 2019 23:29 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, I'd totally kill them lol >< HF wasn't wrong about that
And just to further the WIFOM, whoever I would kill probably wouldn't matter in a large scum team cause I rarely force through my NKs unless everyone's goooone. Anyone who has scummed with me can verify that ^^
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On March 06 2019 23:35 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
@Tube
My initial problem with you was how much time you seemed to be spending on your townreads vs. scumreads with pokes that didn't seem to lead anywhere being the rest of your filter. But on a reread it looks better largely cause I can see the read progression on some of the players.
Can you please explain your read on Palmar D1 and what made you okay with a Conversion lynch? I didn’t have a Palmar read. He wasn’t doing anything that I could see a mafia not do. Like what you said about HF when he didn’t further antagonize someone and you towned him for it, when if he were mafia he would probably let it go further. It’s a small thing and a subjective thing. These little things when they repeat often enough become a townread. Palmar just wasn’t alive long enough for that to happen for me. I definitely preferred him living and I liked what I saw, but there wasn’t a single thing I saw that mafiaPalmar couldn’t/wouldn’t do. I mean mafiaPalmar generically. I use this metric on most people. I was essentially null on Conversion. There was the nagging feeling he was truthful on his entrance post (scumclaim) and not much of what he said spoke to me. I was primarily townreading Acrofales.
Then why the vote early game?
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On March 06 2019 23:58 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:41 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 23:35 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2019 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
@Tube
My initial problem with you was how much time you seemed to be spending on your townreads vs. scumreads with pokes that didn't seem to lead anywhere being the rest of your filter. But on a reread it looks better largely cause I can see the read progression on some of the players.
Can you please explain your read on Palmar D1 and what made you okay with a Conversion lynch? I didn’t have a Palmar read. He wasn’t doing anything that I could see a mafia not do. Like what you said about HF when he didn’t further antagonize someone and you towned him for it, when if he were mafia he would probably let it go further. It’s a small thing and a subjective thing. These little things when they repeat often enough become a townread. Palmar just wasn’t alive long enough for that to happen for me. I definitely preferred him living and I liked what I saw, but there wasn’t a single thing I saw that mafiaPalmar couldn’t/wouldn’t do. I mean mafiaPalmar generically. I use this metric on most people. I was essentially null on Conversion. There was the nagging feeling he was truthful on his entrance post (scumclaim) and not much of what he said spoke to me. I was primarily townreading Acrofales. Then why the vote early game? I also agreed with the vast majority of things HF said. Plus, I laughed a couple times. I mayored him before I towned him. The conversation you two had about what he’d do as mayor made me comfortable enough to vote him. When he first said he’d shoot Palmar, I dived him for a couple hours then towned him.
Okay. For clarity, I assume you mean you dived HF?
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Town
HF - fluid, clear progression on top of earlier read
LS - no red flags to make me change my mind
FF - this guy is a joy to read, seems to be having fun and comes to reads before they're cool
Townish
BH - his thing with Iam while he was asking for lynch I see no mafia motivation for, much less upsetting my BS meter than normal; not above a lean because I have no confidence in reading BH
Townleaning-Null
Tube - can see some read progression, behavior matches reads, reservation is with lack of a read on palmar and i'm not loving his thread presence
Scummish
Onegu - the Damdred read can be a sign of the smart hipster glimmer I look for from Onegu, but that it's the only example is concerning and he's not even peripherally weighing in on relevant issues
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On March 07 2019 00:17 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:01 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 23:58 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2019 23:41 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 23:35 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2019 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
@Tube
My initial problem with you was how much time you seemed to be spending on your townreads vs. scumreads with pokes that didn't seem to lead anywhere being the rest of your filter. But on a reread it looks better largely cause I can see the read progression on some of the players.
Can you please explain your read on Palmar D1 and what made you okay with a Conversion lynch? I didn’t have a Palmar read. He wasn’t doing anything that I could see a mafia not do. Like what you said about HF when he didn’t further antagonize someone and you towned him for it, when if he were mafia he would probably let it go further. It’s a small thing and a subjective thing. These little things when they repeat often enough become a townread. Palmar just wasn’t alive long enough for that to happen for me. I definitely preferred him living and I liked what I saw, but there wasn’t a single thing I saw that mafiaPalmar couldn’t/wouldn’t do. I mean mafiaPalmar generically. I use this metric on most people. I was essentially null on Conversion. There was the nagging feeling he was truthful on his entrance post (scumclaim) and not much of what he said spoke to me. I was primarily townreading Acrofales. Then why the vote early game? I also agreed with the vast majority of things HF said. Plus, I laughed a couple times. I mayored him before I towned him. The conversation you two had about what he’d do as mayor made me comfortable enough to vote him. When he first said he’d shoot Palmar, I dived him for a couple hours then towned him. Okay. For clarity, I assume you mean you dived HF? Correct. And Palmar didn’t have much but kill Sentinel. I already think you’re town so don’t have much to ask. I’m not sold on LS or Damdy being town. But right now my problem is more I think 20ish people can be scum in this game. Are you sure they’re town or tabling for now because it doesn’t matter compared to HF, Acro, Rayn?
LS I'm sure of.
I'm not as sure of Damdy as I'd like to be. The things I was townreading him for he did pretty minimally and the whining which is pretty much a sure thing was very subtle, possibly even enough to be a misinterpretation on my part. I still need to poke back through his filter, but given what I remember I don't think it'll be helpful. He's not a priority for me by any means, though, given his lack of activity is not alignment indicative.
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On March 07 2019 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Basically all names that are hard defending HF today either by trying to push for lynch bait instead or just hard townreading him, or both.
Thought experiment. What if you're wrong on HF? ^^
ib4 he says 'I'm not!' after being wrong on conv and iam(?)
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On March 07 2019 01:03 Acrofales wrote:
I do really like what rsoultin is showing today. I have no idea how a scum rsoultin plays today, but she isn't lurking and she isn't blending. She's doing her own thing, reading the thread. My night read on her may be wrong.
she has played here a lot. Who can I ask about her meta? I really dislike that it doesn't feel like she was pushing anything, and how she ended up on the kill Palmar wagon.
I need some help. If rsoultin can metaread LS so easily, I assume the reverse is true too?
@LS: what do you think of rsoultin? From your filter it looks like you scum her, but it isn't clear why.
-amused-
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