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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 19:43 GMT
#4515
On March 07 2019 04:40 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 07 2019 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HF can you explain why you didnt know trfel got lynched instead of bh?


I did know he got lynched instead of BH? Was staring at the vote count refreshing while they re-calculated the vote post for like 25 minutes hoping it was wrong.

Why did you then say tou had exed bh if you knew he wasnt lynched?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 19:55 GMT
#4527
On March 07 2019 04:44 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 07 2019 04:40 Holyflare wrote:
On March 07 2019 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HF can you explain why you didnt know trfel got lynched instead of bh?


I did know he got lynched instead of BH? Was staring at the vote count refreshing while they re-calculated the vote post for like 25 minutes hoping it was wrong.

Why did you then say tou had exed bh if you knew he wasnt lynched?


I don't know what this says.

Then why did you say this:
" 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in"
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 19:59 GMT
#4530
On March 07 2019 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 04:44 Holyflare wrote:
On March 07 2019 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 07 2019 04:40 Holyflare wrote:
On March 07 2019 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HF can you explain why you didnt know trfel got lynched instead of bh?


I did know he got lynched instead of BH? Was staring at the vote count refreshing while they re-calculated the vote post for like 25 minutes hoping it was wrong.

Why did you then say tou had exed bh if you knew he wasnt lynched?


I don't know what this says.

Then why did you say this:
" 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in"

I mean did kita basically pm you right at the deadline "okay lynch palmar no takebacksies now let me see who got lynched and do votecount"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 20:05 GMT
#4535
Yaeh sorry. I think youre man enough so you dont use cheap host tricks even if you were mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 20:11 GMT
#4540
On March 07 2019 05:10 Vivax wrote:
In a nutshell, go back to voting HF. Hes lying mafia scum

HF can be anything bit never in a million years lying about host actions.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 20:16 GMT
#4545
On March 07 2019 05:13 Vivax wrote:
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On March 07 2019 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 07 2019 05:10 Vivax wrote:
In a nutshell, go back to voting HF. Hes lying mafia scum

HF can be anything bit never in a million years lying about host actions.


Im not saying hes lying about host actions. Im saying hes hiding it that he knew he could have withheld the lynch and waited even 10 minutes to see who was getting lynched before submitting his own choice.

That is lying about host actions because he just said so. Now drop it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 21:10 GMT
#4613
On March 07 2019 05:28 rsoultin wrote:
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum.

Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
  • He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.

  • He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.

  • During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.

  • Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.

  • After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.


I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales.

All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.





I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes.
+ Show Spoiler +
I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia.


Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.


Yeah no it's not jiving. I can believe you believe it but

1. He wasn't going after lurkers -> main push was oats
2. I don't know why this would make anyone scum?
3. This doesn't seem entirely true unless your argument is why didn't he try to convince one of them to lynch someone he scumread more? Which I don't see as particularly problematic in light of what he was posting about D1. And I don't see the yelling or chaos?
4. This I can see.
5. Don't agree here either. Much as I don't agree on his HF push it's not like he's been ignoring everything else.

@Acro - when did you decide HF became top priority? he was behind wiggles and sent originally?

Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:13 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:11 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:09 Acrofales wrote:
Man. This is gonna be a boring few days. We lynch sentinel and wiggles. After that we need to switch our brains back on.

We kill HolyFlare.

Unfortunately no. We don't. Sentinel and Wiggles were exactly as bad, and were also high priority scumreads from the dead town Palmar.



1. I was referring to time before that. Ofc he changed when me and iamp called him out for it
2. Anyone who has seen iamp being mafia or have been around more than 5 years know that iamp as mafia is almost incapable of even writing ANY case, let alone one that makes sense
3. Why isnt it problematic all mayor candidates want to lynch your townreads and you dont do shit about it?
5. What did he do other than yell lynch HF? Whose alignment has he tried to figure out?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 21:19 GMT
#4616
3. What did he do? Saying HF dont lymch Palmar or Koshi for mayor for 30mins counts as nothing because it never achieves nothing. Like has everyone fucking stopped understanding how this game even works?!?!?!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 21:20 GMT
#4617
On March 07 2019 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn this acro push feels awfully drawn out, can you talk about someone else for a bit?

No i am doing this and if he isnt lynched i will stop playing
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 21:24 GMT
#4620
On March 07 2019 06:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 07 2019 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 07 2019 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn this acro push feels awfully drawn out, can you talk about someone else for a bit?

No i am doing this and if he isnt lynched i will stop playing

That’s kinda rude and not fair to the rest of the people in the game

Majority of players say not because trfel was lynched yesterday and bh only had like 10 votes.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 22:03 GMT
#4636
On March 07 2019 06:36 rsoultin wrote:
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On March 07 2019 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
3. What did he do? Saying HF dont lymch Palmar or Koshi for mayor for 30mins counts as nothing because it never achieves nothing. Like has everyone fucking stopped understanding how this game even works?!?!?!


This is the last I'm going to say on this. Achieving something is not the same as trying to achieve something. Right now you are trying to achieve something.

There is one post on his filter where he says "i went to read palmars filter and he is not scum". There is a set of 3 posts that goes "koshi wanna be mayor?", "lets do this (vote)", "koshi mayor going nowhere (vote palmar)". That lasted a whole 30 minutes and that is all of his "trying to achieve" not getting mayor lynch his townread....

I dont even know why the dude voted for trfel (for some random post), while earlier having agreed to bh lynch.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 22:31 GMT
#4643
On March 07 2019 07:20 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 07 2019 06:36 rsoultin wrote:
On March 07 2019 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
3. What did he do? Saying HF dont lymch Palmar or Koshi for mayor for 30mins counts as nothing because it never achieves nothing. Like has everyone fucking stopped understanding how this game even works?!?!?!


This is the last I'm going to say on this. Achieving something is not the same as trying to achieve something. Right now you are trying to achieve something.

There is one post on his filter where he says "i went to read palmars filter and he is not scum". There is a set of 3 posts that goes "koshi wanna be mayor?", "lets do this (vote)", "koshi mayor going nowhere (vote palmar)". That lasted a whole 30 minutes and that is all of his "trying to achieve" not getting mayor lynch his townread....

I dont even know why the dude voted for trfel (for some random post), while earlier having agreed to bh lynch.


Okay, I can see where you're coming from. Your argument is that he wasn't trying hard enough for you to believe he really cared about it, yes? For some reason I think I might have read his having already addressed this...yes.

Why do you think Sentinel was a townread of Acrofales?

Yes that is my argument.

Idk why he was but he was. Very light townread but still townread.

Another thing about caring. His case against you on idk n1 or d2. Your scumread on palmar. He didnt even care enough to check why i scumread palmar (your read was based on mine). He said i scumread palmar because palmar wanted to kill sentinel (which is ridiculous because i originally said i am okay with that plan eventhough i tgink palmar is scum) and because palmar didnt respond to my case on him (i had had a scumread on palmar long before that happened and that had literally nothing to do with your read on palmar). Is that much caring? Like its not very hard to know why me or you scumread palmar if you read our filters with any thought, somehow he managed to miss that while its the backbone of his case.

Then he said something like holyflare must die for his stunt and will flip mafia but hey lets lynch wiggles and sentinel because palmar said so. Like wtf he doesnt even think sentinel is mafia eod1 but when night starts he magically is because palmar flipped, and i bet he didnt even know at that point why palmar read wiggles mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 23:06 GMT
#4654
On March 07 2019 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 06:10 Grackaroni wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.


As far as I can tell this is inaccurate. He makes a long post about Iamp but his conclusion wasn't actually that Iamp was scum. I think Vivax was the one who was super red on Iamp.
This is true.

Acro made the good/bad/ugly post on iamp, with the conclusion being, null/slight town lead IIRC.

Vivax 100% had a red lean on iamp..

@Rayn how does your point about scumreading iamp for too long, play out for your read on vivax?

Maybe i spelled that wrong. He should have 100% townread iamp.

Vivax doesnt matter because he counts as three mafia when he is town, i wouldnt be surprised if he started seriously calling marv mafia right now and even that wouldnt make him mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 23:19 GMT
#4660
On March 07 2019 08:13 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 07 2019 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
On March 07 2019 06:10 Grackaroni wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.


As far as I can tell this is inaccurate. He makes a long post about Iamp but his conclusion wasn't actually that Iamp was scum. I think Vivax was the one who was super red on Iamp.
This is true.

Acro made the good/bad/ugly post on iamp, with the conclusion being, null/slight town lead IIRC.

Vivax 100% had a red lean on iamp..

@Rayn how does your point about scumreading iamp for too long, play out for your read on vivax?

Maybe i spelled that wrong. He should have 100% townread iamp.

Vivax doesnt matter because he counts as three mafia when he is town, i wouldnt be surprised if he started seriously calling marv mafia right now and even that wouldnt make him mafia.
i would have to metadive when acro last played with a scum!iamp

to be fair. i didnt have a clue about how useless iamp was as scum, till the very last scum game i played (with iamp).
I know people parroted in the game, but until i saw it myself, I didnt beleive it.
I think you were in this game? I dunno, probably was like 8months ago. The last game before this one I suspect?

Yeah ot was the game where i told everyone to kill kitaman and iamp and both were mafia and i almost got lynched for my effort... you fooled me though.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 23:23 GMT
#4663
On March 07 2019 08:15 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 02:37 Vivax wrote:
Anyway, here's my 100% scummers in case I die.

Iamp, Oats, Marv, Sentinel.

My 50 % scummers. Half of those are townies.

rsoultin, Wiggles, Pandain, ExO, BH, TS

Rayn not mafia cause can't be mafia with iamp in 9/10 cases.
HF just decided to be a selfish dumbass and shit up the game and hurt my feelings, but alas, he's town by PoE. He literally doesn't give a shit about being townread when town. All he cares about is that people are wrong about him no matter his alignment so he can pat himself on the back.
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 23:21 Mocsta wrote:
Hi vivax

Why swap on hf from this?

Why arent i on this?

Why arent u following up on oats and sentinel?

Theres a lot of ppl giving Vivax a free pass. (e.g.) RSoultin says shit mafia. Rayn says shit town.

I want to remind everyone of his EoN post, which my questions which he has ignored.

Read this, and tell me how PLEASE how his Day2 has aligned with this.
Even if you want to say, HF is scum because PoE changecd due to iamp/marv flip... where is the pressure on oats/sentinel.

Because vivax changes his mind like a girl changes clothes. He also has a special need to call town leaders mafia and that usually (aka always) includes me and holyflare taking the hits.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 23:26 GMT
#4664
Like vivax honestly calls me mafia every single game except for when i am mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 07 2019 00:30 GMT
#4683
I think you got a lot of what i said wrong. At least ypur analysis isnt about what i said for most parts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 07 2019 00:31 GMT
#4684
Yes i honeatly think he has a higher chance of flipping scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 07 2019 00:32 GMT
#4685
You somehow think being consistent is a town trait while in fact its completely non-alignment indicative.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 07 2019 00:37 GMT
#4688
A lot of people are defending him with "but this one is really townie thing" arguments which is stupid because no mafia ever only makes scummy posts. I hate when people dont answer the accusation ditectly but instead try to make another argument that points out to another direction. Acrofales himself does that when he answers me and iamp earlier. 1 scummy thing + 20 townie things = still scum if the scummy thing is actually scummy. There is no "many townie things can wash away one scummy one" in this game yet almost everyone somehow think so.
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