EPTI originally intended to use 12h where ever that was because otherwise the game can get ridiculously long. But i am okay if you change it to 24h, prolly better.
[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II
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I originally intended to use 12h where ever that was because otherwise the game can get ridiculously long. But i am okay if you change it to 24h, prolly better. | ||
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On October 26 2018 03:54 prplhz wrote: /in If a government is elected, does the election tracker go to 0? yes | ||
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We should have a town president though, since if the councellor gets 2F cards we cannot know what actually happened, or like... it's a shitty situation where the game usually breaks loose (scum president can always lie they got 3F and were forced to give away 2F). Idk i don't really wanna talk about scum strategy and hopefully they fuck up something. Get a town president, it doesn't really matter even if the coucellor is scum early on. Dont elect any same people on first two governments. That's pretty must the gist of it. | ||
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On October 30 2018 08:19 happykrogan wrote: President's can lie about what they get, but we know the policy number, so I think we can eventually figure this out? I think liberal president should never lie about what they get, because if you do so and scum fuck up, you just put yourself under scrutiny for no apparent reason (which you obviously should not do as town). I don't really think that is an option you should use unless some super rare circumstancial situations, which also includes you have to be absolutely sure about what you do. Policy peek is pretty much the only thing you can bluff on, but i am not sure if that is even a good idea since liberals don't know other people's affiliations and (especially) caught from being a liar odesn't generally look good. I mean like if there is a situation where you think i am fascist and you decide to make some plan that includes you lying (for you to "possibly catch me"), and instead i catch you from lying, do you think it's good for you if i am liberal (and cannot trust you), or even if i am fascist (and actually DID catch you lying and can possibly convince others why your lie is harmful to liberals)? | ||
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On October 30 2018 08:29 happykrogan wrote: I meant knowing the overall policy numbers should help us figure out if a president lied and therefore is scum. You do not know which policy each president discarded. Only the current president will know which of the three cards they discarded and if it was a liberal or fascist policy. | ||
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I dont understand prplhz' thought process at all and i think its possibly scummy. I mean the "lets pick townie dudes" but "i kinda wanted to include kita because he seems nice" (being nice has nothing to do with being townie or not). I dont think kruger and kitaman can be in a same scumteam unless kruger is exactly hitler because of how the interactions on the thread have gone so far. Kruger seems town anyways so i am okay with whatever he picks. I think kita has a flaw on his resistance proposal, but i dont really think that makes him anything. | ||
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Anyways i think the whole thought process i gathered from his posts sounds scummy to me. | ||
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On October 30 2018 22:34 prplhz wrote: I didn't. It was early in the game and I had no reads so I went with kita because I think he's nice. I didn't think he was more town than others or that him being nice outside of the game made him more town. The problem i have with that is that i dont understand why you simultaneously think lets elect townies (which should be a norm) andd lets elect kita who you dont have a townread on. | ||
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On October 31 2018 03:30 kitaman27 wrote: Eh if players are electing liberal policies, I'm fine taking that risk as long as they keep producing good results and don't look sketchy otherwise. I think I see what you're saying with the 3F stuff, but that seems like something we can evaluate when it comes up. Either way, it looks like we're forced to elect separate people based on the rules of the 8 player setup. Technically we can swap with 4 players, but like... there is also hitler. You know scum win if hitler is elected as chancellor after i dont remember how many fascist policies. Do you get what that means? Or what may happen? | ||
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On October 25 2018 04:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The liberals win the game when either five liberal policies are enacted or Hitler is murdered. The fascists win the game when either six fascist policies are enacted or if Hitler is successfully elected as chancellor after the third fascist policy has been enacted. If we fuck up, even once, and fascist even by outing themselves fuck up 2 other times we might lose if hitler manages to get in town circle. Again, this isnt as simple as resistance. You can easily lose with find four townies and auto -strategy. | ||
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On October 31 2018 04:29 kitaman27 wrote: It sounds like we're talking about different situations. I'm saying roll with the good guys as long as we can and once we hit a fail, re-evaluate if it's a 3F or sabotage. Electing Hitler won't need to be something to worry about as much before that because we're not at that threshold. Once we do cross that threshold, it obviously becomes a bigger concern. The problem with "rolling with the good guys" is that it automatically restrains conversations about other people. Even if you managed to get four good guys, the amount of information fascist will provide to the thread is non-existent. I have never seen a game where there was less than three fascist policies enacted, regardless of how good the town managed to play, because the cards will "fail us" at some point with almost 100%. Fascists may even benefit of outing themselves by enacting a F policy when there is a town president who gives 1F1L. And if we are too far into not having proper reads it may be fatal. The point is, we need reads, and we need them early. We need fascists to give reads, so we can figure them out, because they too want to be part of the governments -- outing early results in sure loss. But if we get a town circle of four players, it really does restrain conversations on other people, because people can be lazy, can possibly not agree about the town circle, or can use that as a cover for not talking about other people (aka "i am not in the town circle lets talk about how townie i am and why i should be there instead of player X"). I mean like, once again, this isn't resistance where you can win with finding three other townies and then you just nominate them (if you are convincing enough -- in a 9 player game). Because when there is a fail you know scum did that. In this game when there is a fail you don't know if scum did that, and also it doesn't even matter if you find said scum as long as Hitler stays hidden until the right moment.... I don't really understand your point, you basically want a town circle and then, when stuff happens you don't want to have the town circle anymore? Why don't you just wanna find townies? ehh... well basically we are pretty much arguing the same thing since there is only five townies. I am sorry i didn't mean that we should like go through the playerlist, i was meaning we shouldn't enable a resistance-esque "strategy" because most likely it won't work. Basically my point in the end is that when the first government is elected, if it passes a L (or hopefully when), the second presidental candidate should be someone who cannot choose from the first group (aka that the president for the first group is not the player before the next president). It promotes WAY more discussion than anything else. I am sorry if i was unclear, i was not sure yesterday how much i am willing to say because obviously this might affect to how scum plays, but like... For the first legislative session, do not choose the player next to you in line for the chancellor. | ||
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On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote: I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for. I couldn't give a single shit if you made a great scum plan for me if i was mafia, in a game which basically noone has played before. | ||
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On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote: I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now What do you mean? Can you elaborate more? | ||
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On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote: Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later Of course i know what you are talking about, i want you to elaborate onto the thought process of how Grack's thought process is townie, because: 1) it doesn't really make much sense if you put yourself into purplehaze's shoes 2) grack basically retracts form it almost immediately | ||
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On October 31 2018 00:13 Grackaroni wrote: Atm I'd choose Krogan but we'll have to see what happens between then. Let's say Krogan chooses me, and we get elected, who do you choose next? | ||
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On October 31 2018 06:56 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, can you confirm that you don't think it's a good idea to enact a fascist policy day one if presented F + L? yes | ||
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On October 31 2018 06:59 Grackaroni wrote: Why is it that when I mention Prplhz' post you call it too obvious for scum to make the post and then after we go through all of this hitler messaging speculation you attribute my post to scum motives? Seems pretty suspect. If you haven't realized i think you both are my top scum candidates so far. I never said anything like "prplhz's post was too obvious for scum to make". | ||
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On October 31 2018 07:11 Grackaroni wrote: Then what are you accusing me of exactly? If that is not your accusation please explain why the message is more mafia oriented than town oriented. Why did you make that post as town? | ||
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On October 31 2018 07:13 Grackaroni wrote: I'm saying that I think it would be a message that I would understand if I was hitler. So the suspicion of the message wasn't unreasonable. Why do you think the post is more likely to come from scum than town if you aren't implying that I'm trying to communicate with teammates. I am not exactly implying that. Or well yes kinda, i concede on that. What i mean is this is what happened: - prplhz makes a comment on something, people find that "communicating with teammates" (which i disagree with) - we have a discussion about it - consensus seems to be (?) that it's "too dumb to be scum" if trying to communicate with teammates - Grackaroni does [the post i am talking about] Now, i never said prplhz is trying to communicate with teammates. Because yes i find that to be stupid and afaik people agree because noone has pushed that avenue further. Right? Well after this, you do that what you did. I simply asked you why did you do that as town since: 1) i cant find any reason for you to say what you did as town 2) i think it would be very scumcaroni thing to do, to do the SAME thing that was just "shut down" except that this time it is real (but it's not really the same thing because it would ve vice versa, you wouldn't be telling hitler you are scum, you would be telling people who are scum to "claim" to you). Anddddd that was my original thought process, but yeah i get what you are saying now. I didn't actually consider the post you made to be part of the prplhz thing and as it is yeah you are right, there isn't anything wrong with that. I blame reading on phone. But anyways much kudos to you if you actually did that as scum, probably best play of the game. ^^ Anyways i don't think that's the case considering how you reacted to this whole thing. | ||
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On October 31 2018 07:14 Grackaroni wrote: As far as I'm concerned you're just trying to cast suspicion on me by taking advantage of some players' paranoia from Conversion's response. And I don't think that's your town play. tbh i never cared anything about conversion's response. | ||
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On October 31 2018 07:24 Grackaroni wrote: The prplhz post I think could send a pretty decent signal that is unlikely to be picked up on. From Conversion's post even if I was Hitler I still wouldn't put more chance of Conversion being on my team compared to a town troll. true. | ||
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On October 31 2018 07:24 Grackaroni wrote: The prplhz post I think could send a pretty decent signal that is unlikely to be picked up on. Do you think it's unlikely to be picked up when prplhz basically said "i want to elect townies ofc, lets elect kita, idk what his alignment is"?????? | ||
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On October 31 2018 08:35 prplhz wrote: That's not what happened. In most elections in mafia (mayor) you elect a combination of skill/dependability and townyness. In this game, skill isn't really a factor because the job of the president/chancellor is not particularly hard - choose liberal policies. So what I said was "the only thing that is important for president/chancellor, and the only thing the president should think about when choosing a chancellor, is that they are easy to read (and appear town)". happykrogan asked me why I was even thinking about this, my thought process, and I answered with my thought process. First, before the game had any posts, I thought "lets elect kita because he's nice", I might as well have thought "lets elect rayn because he likes to go to the sauna", it was pretty random. Then, secondly, and not simultaneously, I proceeded to think that townyness is the only thing that matters for me in a president/chancellor, and that the best person to elect is the one I find most likely town, rather than someone skilled or someone at random. For example, in most games, I often look at the 3 best players and then I sheep the one I think is most likely to be town. I don't sheep confirmed townies if I think they're unlikely to find scum. I this game, however, I will not just look at the 3 best players, I will only look at who is most townie, because the president/chancellor doesn't have to be good, their jobs are pretty simple and straight forward. I didn't randomly include kita in a list of people to elect, in the first post where I talk about him (in this post) I actually say that we should be wary of him because I think he's hard to read. I'm excluding him more than including him. Okay. That makes a bit more sense. I am not completely sure if i still believe you but yeah that makes sense. I just react to comeents that seem "random" or "throwaway" as if they mean something because i personally believe everything you say in a mafia game means something and you are trying to do something with it. You comeent on kitaman came after we had discussed about how to elect people and what the strategy should be (mainly me, kita and kruger did that). You then took part of the discussion implying you think townie people should be elected and imo at that point also agreed with kruger and kitaman about how the "strategy" should be (aka whatever that was kitaman proposed). Then (and ONLY after the whole discussion) you said you wanted to elect kitaman while still talking about who to really elect, this post: On October 30 2018 09:39 prplhz wrote: It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. Idk like this seems really weird post to me. It's like you at the same time realize what is correct way to do elections and then you say you thought about something else but it seems like at the time you thought so (the time of your question krogan is asking you about) you thought something else. I mean like, at the time you posted your "easy to read chancellor" question you have already implied you know (or at least think you know) which is the right way to do elections, but the answer you give to krogan implies you didn't (because why would you have asked the question in the first place if that is the case?). tldr; the explanation you give about your post to krogan doesn't imo line up with what you have been heavily implying you think at that time. | ||
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So purplehaze, this is what bothers me: - You have taken part to discussion of how governments should be elected and imo come to conclusion that we should elect townie people. - After the above has happened, you ask "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?" - When krogan asks you "why do you ask that?", you answer: It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. The last quote doesn't make any sense unless you were, at the time of when you asked "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?", thinking of electing kitaman, but both your answer (in the last quote), and how you took part to the discussion earlier disagrees with that. | ||
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On October 31 2018 09:41 Conversion wrote: are we generally agreeing to pass these two or what are you generally even planning on actually playing the game or what | ||
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On October 31 2018 09:57 prplhz wrote: No, I wasn't thinking about electing kita when I asked that question. Before I asked that question I was thinking about electing kita but then I changed my mind and made a post about what had changed my mind (how readability and townyness ). Then I thought that it was a good idea to elect townie people (and not necessarily super scum hunters), and I wrote it in the thread, in the form of a question because then maybe someone will answer and maybe we can talk about something. I don't think anybody in the thread had clearly expressed the thought that townyness is important, and skill/dependability irrelevant up until that point. But maybe nobody had found that necessary to point out, because nobody had had the same thought process as me which was 1) elect kita/random! (nothing matters) 2) maybe do like mayor elections (or how i pretty much every game in that I sheep a lot)? (skill and townyness matter) 3) no, the only things that matter are readbility/townyness (townyness matters, skill is irrelevant) Okay let me try to understand. You ask this: On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote: Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read? Now i am thinking here, when i read this, "why do you ask that?" krogan actually asks you about it, and you say: On October 30 2018 09:39 prplhz wrote: It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. I will break this down by possible answers i see: - "It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments" (so elect townies, why ask the question in the first place when you already have the answer?) - or this; " It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not", which you say it's not, so i wonder; what does your answer have to do with the question unless it's the kitaman part? | ||
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On October 31 2018 10:12 prplhz wrote: Because maybe you could have answered something else that would have been more immediately useful to me. I don't know in advance what your answer may be. What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea? | ||
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On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote: Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government. Is that more immediately useful? If not, what other possible answers are there? | ||
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On October 30 2018 12:55 byj wrote: sorry for the basically blank post, but 5AM here, or 6AM without time change. Do you consider you have shared many reads or useful thoughts after you said the above? | ||
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On October 31 2018 23:17 byj wrote: No, but I don't have any concrete feelings yet, some people make more sense than others, but it's nothing concrete yet. The lack of lynching doesn't help considering we won't get alignments until at least 3 Fascist policies have passed. Though for what it's worth if I were to just blindly pick I'd have a 3:4 chance of getting Scum In a normal game its also certainly possible to lynch mafia on D1, aka make concrete reads. Making yourself readable and trying to figure things out makes your alignment clearer to other people, and makes poe for townies easier. Idk like... why should i consider you town atm? If you cant answer that, do you think you should do something about it? | ||
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On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote: In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on. Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. Here is my problem with conversion's reasoning: As town you wanna do townie things, right? Lets say the strategy for passing first government for vote analysis is legit. But what happens when everyone implements this townie strategy (which they obvs should because townies should do townie things)? You have 8 no-votes, how are you going to do vote analysis? + there is the fact that just like rels, conversion doesnt seem to be doing anything, just asking for extra time. I mean, a townie thing would imo be if: Try to make reads -> too little time -> ask for more time And not; Do nothing -> ask for more time -> continue doing nothing | ||
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On November 01 2018 11:14 Grackaroni wrote: Cool. I'm probably going to pick either Conversion on Rels. Why would you ever pick Rels???? | ||
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I dont really find anything kitaman/Rels/byj have done townie. As for kita, i dont really think he has done anything scummy either but imo that doesnt really warrant a townread on a player of his caliber. | ||
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On November 01 2018 18:38 happykrogan wrote: @Grackaroni @Raynpelikoneet How can such behaviour ever come from town? I would agree with you if this was about something that really matters, like if conversion had a scumread on someone and then forgot about it. But i dont think gameplaywise technical things go to that category and if he wants to discuss those things as scum i'd think he'd be sure to keep his story straight (because he can basically have any opinion he wants and it doesnt necessarily make him scum -- thats why this long discussion about technical things sucks, just play the game and make reads, thats priority #1). You'd be surprised how dumb things people can actually do. Some games ago we had a player who didnt know how their role worked, even after they were told to go re-read their role pm.... | ||
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On November 01 2018 22:44 Grackaroni wrote: I don't understand this. I just submitted Conversion but I can still change. My thought process so far is that there is an argument to make that conversion is not town and while you and i dont share that sentiment the team is gonna be most likely rejected. And i trust you as president more than conversion (and the two ppl after) atm. I can elaborate onto that more aswell ~2 hrs before deadline. I have a busy day at work and this will need effort more than 10minutes. | ||
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On November 01 2018 22:48 Grackaroni wrote: Nvm I went back to check your filter it's because it gives more discussion. Its not actually that, its because i want a team that can pass or if i fuck up it has to be hitler. | ||
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Bbasically you are saying that grack is scum because he wants to elect a low-hanging fruit to pass blame on, but both of those low-hanging fruits are also scum... | ||
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Krogan Grack prplhz/conversion Kitaman Rels/byj | ||
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I read prplhz pretty much the same way i used to read yamato. It doesnt really matter what he says but right here in this game i can see there is some sort of thought process going on in his head. Prplhz usually doesnt say much, and seems like "he doesnt care", but like... idk where it comes from, i think its because as town he has like a carrot in that he doesnt have all the information whereas as mafia that doesnt exist. My read is really hard to explain, and i am not entirely sure if he is town, but i dont think he a normal fascist. He could be hitler. Thats because as hitler you dont know your teammates so the same yhing i talked about exists there too. Thats pretty much it. If you wanna elevt converaion instead i am okay with it. | ||
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On November 02 2018 09:55 prplhz wrote: Eh cool vote me. On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote: No wait a second. Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies? You don't sound very confident about yourself, or what? | ||
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There IS however a possibility that grack is hitler and just doesnt know conversion is mafia (i dont believe this for reasons -- but technically that is possible), but then again kitaman doesnr seem to be having this thought in his reads list so he doesnt seem to think so (why wouldnt you say that if you think thats the case?). Thats why i find his reads list very lacking of actual analysis and kinda bs. | ||
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On November 01 2018 23:37 kitaman27 wrote: [....]picking Rels or conversion seems like the easiest path to rig the deck as president and then pass blame to your scummy looking choice. It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game however so I probably need to do some adjusting of my bottom three, either by moving grack up or replacing conversion/rels with someone else. No you dont. You group Rels/Conversion both into the same category and dont come to any conclusion. Thats different from what i said. You do the same thing in one of your later posts too. | ||
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On November 02 2018 00:57 kitaman27 wrote: I think facist grack + liberal Rels or facist grack + liberal Conversion could make sense, but isn't as likely as liberal grack + facist rels or liberal grack + facist Conversion. I guess it's a moot point, since I would fail a group with rels or conversion regardless of gracks involvement. [/QUOTE] Here is the other post. | ||
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On November 02 2018 23:08 kitaman27 wrote: That was directed at conversion. lolol yeah i started reading and was lile wtf. :D :D | ||
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On November 02 2018 23:35 Grackaroni wrote: After lots of paranoia I'm actually going to vote NO on this team. I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum. I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes. Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense: I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback. I dont think its a good idea because even if one of us is scum you either out prplhz or he enacts liberal, or president gets FFF in which case you always wanna bd presiddnt yourself (if youre town). I also think your argument on byj/rels is just dumb because based on meta apparently there is no information on byj, and for both of them -- people who do scummy things are usually scum. Conversion will pick you most likely so for that part i dont care if you downvote the team. I just dont think Conversion's team is gonna be accepted. And if we have scum president to lead government its harder to figure out who is lying. | ||
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On November 03 2018 03:55 Conversion wrote: sorry-- I meant to say if this government doesn't get passed, I still think I can't vote you or HK That's true. Grackaroni i would like you to vote yes. I am -- like you -- more certain of conversion being town than prplhz but i really think this is a correct way to do this. Worst case scenario you get FFF (which also conversion will if you reject). Second worse scenario is prplhz is scum, but then you will have 1v1 against him. Third worse scenario, he elects liberal (or is town).... Meh.. if you think Conversion is town, then you should vote yes now. Always unless you are completely sure prplhz is mafia. | ||
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On November 03 2018 04:48 prplhz wrote: Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines. I dont understand what mess is that? He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos. Which post? His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good. I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me. This happened after you implied he is mafia (aka when he chose you as his chancellor- I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town. I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening. Do you think i would enact fascist policy if i was mafia? Why do you think that's the case? Rels doesn't always act like this. Rels can be afk and shit and get lynched for it, but my point on rels is he doesnt even try to do anything. The point on grack and krogan he posted on D1 was like... meeeeehhh... Usually Rels even tries to do some shit when he is town regardless of how much tim he has, but the "grack and krogan look town because they tried to figure out hitler". It is really so mehhh... Also i think Rels would want to pass the first mission if he even remotely thinks krogan is town because that results in liberal from me, or him being possibly able to identify me as mafia (which he would REALLY REALLY like to do if he is town -- look i know this is a fact because i know rels personally). Meta on byj doesnt say shit because it is just one game and if a person plays "like this" as town there is zero reason to assume it makes him town, because people WHO DO SCUMMY SHIT ARE USUALLY SCUM! Idk, in a normal game i would always lynch someone who plays like this, so i am sorry i just cant think he is town because i dont have any reason to. | ||
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On November 03 2018 05:41 Rels wrote: ??? If you're more sure of Conv than prp, you should tell him to vote NO and get Conv / Grack next round. no this is suntrue. | ||
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On November 03 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote: I may change my vote to no. prplhz listening stuff why Grack is scummy after he got elected at chancellor seems like setting up a 1v1 after a scum policy gets enacted. Just realized that. How does this actually happen? Assuming ofc this team gets voted down. | ||
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On November 03 2018 06:44 happykrogan wrote: After he got elected as chancellor candidate. Or what do you mean? Like he votes no (and says so in thread) and thinks the team is gonna pass anyways? | ||
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On November 03 2018 06:47 Rels wrote: rayn can you answer my question about usual voting pattern in Hitler ? And anyone who has played this before too no because i dont know any thing like that, and i dont care. | ||
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On November 03 2018 07:10 Rels wrote: my brain tells me there is probably one scum in the first team my brain tells me you are very hard pushing this agenda for no reason other than you are scum with kitaman who just voted yes onto a team that he never should have voted yes on | ||
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On November 03 2018 07:12 Rels wrote: does it ? Now can you tell me if in your experience, a landslide D1 vote indicates scum in the team ? idk what a "landslide D1 vote" means | ||
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Idk, from what the thread sentiment was, what can scum do there in case me and krogan are town? Vote no for a shitty reason like you or Conversion? Or what, call us fascist? For what reason? What alternative do they have? Why are you avoiding to actually calling one of us mafia for some shitty "gameplaywise reason" you cant actually answer? | ||
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Why are you avoiding to actually calling one of us mafia for some shitty "gameplaywise reason" you cant actually answer? I mean why are you calling "one of us" mafia for some shitty gameplaywise reason that you cant even back up on by yourself instead of making an actual read and call one of us mafia. And yeah the "one of those two" is another shitty thing because you arent specifying which one and that in itself makes the read you have on "us" already bs.... Just like kitaman's "i call grack scum because i group conversion and rels here and blablabla", meh, this is not "only facts no opinions" Rels, this is jsut dumb and probably scum. | ||
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On November 03 2018 07:26 Rels wrote: you're so angry at nothing and not wanting to collaborate, it irritates me so much. I actually thought you were maybe conf town a while ago so I don't understand why you're talking to me like that, like I'm pushing an agenda to make you lose credibility when I did the exact opposite a while ago. I'm talking to you because I value your fucking opinion. And yes I'm worried about you because I almost never manage to catch you as scum. I am sorry i thought i asked you some reasonable questions. I am willing to work together if you give me something to work with. And saying "rayn/krogan is mafia because people voted yes" isn't gonna cut it unless you go further into that. | ||
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On November 04 2018 01:28 Grackaroni wrote: I got L/L/F and I discarded the fascist policy. Its okay, although i would have prolly preferred if you discarded liberal. | ||
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On November 04 2018 01:39 Grackaroni wrote: I considered it but I think with 2 liberal policies you really need to get an L enacted. The thing is, had prplhz enacted fascist and youd have 1v1 at least i would always believe you over him. | ||
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On November 04 2018 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: So grackaroni is pretty much conf town if we draw 3 more liberal policies. Wait no. This is not correct. But grackaroni and prplhz are not scum together. | ||
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On November 04 2018 03:09 byj wrote: How come? If Scum is up early they can just stick to the liberal policies, since it's likely that by the end there will only be fascist left, no? Because if they are both scum and Grack hands him FL he gets town credit from enacting liberal, whereas now he does not (as he didn't even have a choice). Or he enacts fascist and they both lie (which is stupid but still a possibility). | ||
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On November 04 2018 01:44 Grackaroni wrote: I kind of ditzed when thinking about vote analysis yesterday. I forgot that there's probably still a lot of confusion among mafia whether prplhz/I are town or not. Can you open up this post a bit more, i don't understand what you are trying to say here? | ||
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On November 03 2018 07:10 Rels wrote: my brain tells me there is probably one scum in the first team Now, which one, and why. Time to put some meat on the bone. | ||
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On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote: do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia. | ||
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Your play so far has been nothing but about "vote analysis" where you have every single time ended up on "i dont have more than before the vote". that's bullshit, for real that is. You have not managed to make a single read, other than your early game read on krogan / grack (that they are town) because of reasons that dont even make sense, yet you have voted against every government that has included them as president (which should be enough for you to vote yes, because if you believe they are town and a "mission" fails, you have 100% scum in your opinion). so yeah Rels, you are full of shit this game. | ||
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Yeah maybe you heavent but you should know that's not how the game works and i dont give a single shit going 1v1 against you because you are scum. | ||
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On November 05 2018 05:42 prplhz wrote: I don't know, I just don't get how, that not wanting to take responsibility and do stuff is a townie thing. Downvoting your own government because of the chancellor that you yourself chose seems like he didn't even want to get elected in the first place. I think that his reason for passing me 2L instead of 1L1F seems townie but I'm not even convinced that that is what he did. And even just watching the cards dealt to him, and to me, seems to be worth it. I don't think you are necessarily wrong here, or like, i think Grack is town but this doesn't soud dumb or anything. Except that i think Grackaroni should always give you LF instead of LL there, in my opinion he would have gotten way more town credit from passing you LF there. To me, he was afraid of me, of the cards, of any responsibility. At some point, something is going to happen, and he seemed to be saying "please just let it happen to someone else". If some president has to get 3F, I hope it will be me, just a lot easier to deal with for me. This i disagree with. When the election started, Grackaroni was originally going to pick Conversion / Rels. How is that more "avoiding responsibility" to pick you and then downvoting his own government? I mean because as i se it the only reason Grackaroni picked you was because i vouched for you, and when you were picked you immediately started acting like you didn't even want to get picked. I think Grackaroni's reaction also makes sense in that situation. Secondly, you yourself said this: Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. Do you think you yourself "look scummier" than these people? If not, then why Grackaroni needs to go through all this trouble to end up in a government where he can avoid responsibility when he could have just picked Conv/Rels -> and his government would be rejected most likely without him having to not backpedal? | ||
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On November 06 2018 00:14 happykrogan wrote: So I read through Conversion and came to the conclusion that I still don't think he looks very towny. He talks more but it's mostly about set-up and math. (where he did a complete 180 btw - but that may have come from him misunderstanding the rules) This are his only read posts: This read is not really a town tell, because it's a very obvious and non-dangerous read to make I don't even think that's true. He has reads so that is a rather lazy read from conversion to make. Also I guess he scumreads prplhz? Funny thing is that he was uncertain about him here: which is the thing he calls kita out for. So I vote no this government. You only vote no to this government if you think at least one of kitaman / Rels is townier than Conversion. | ||
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I heavily disagree with your lack of conclusion in the Grack + Conversion / Rels thingy because i think, if you actually thought that through from liberal pov you should have realized there is basically no way Grack can be mafia with Conversion, yet every time you talked about the matter you coupled up Conversion and Rels together and i think you are trying to use that as disguise so you don't actually have to make a conclusion that might hurt you later on. Regarding the above, this is your list after the discussion about it: Overall though, I think my trust ratings are better suited as tiers. tier 1: krogan/rayn (myself) tier 2: byj/prl/grack tier 3: conversion/rels If you really think Conversion and Rels are mafia then why the hell is Grack in the tier 2? Because it would simply be the most retarded thing i have ever seen if Grack wanted to originally nominate two of his scumbuddies, one of which is Rels who is considered scum by almost every single person in the game. If you actually think Conv/Rels are tier 3 then Grack should always be town for you, and just made two bad reads at the start of his presidential turn. Once again we go there; you don't make any hard conclusions when you actually could make those, if you don't think your tier list is accurate the why are you even making one? The above happened before Grack wanted to pass on his presidental turn and you apparently townread him for it. You have also taken "pot shots" on purplehaze yet it seems like none of his answers gets you anywhere regarding him, well i'd say that's the case with you on others aswell but that is possible you could do that as town since there isn't much from a lot of players in the thread (aka anyone who isn't me or krogan). Basically i find your reads very easy to make and based on them, if you believed in those reads, the lists you have made make absolutely no sense to me. You should know something is wrong when you have your reads and make them into a list, which should get you into reconsidering and / or trying to find more evidence. You do neither, and instead just post the list. | ||
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1) Grack thinks: "okay i put my scumbuddy Conversion up there" (at least i agreed with his townread on Conversion back then) 2) "Well this is a super terrible thing to do because Rels isn't gonna be nominated anyways so i have to WAIT FOR HAIL MARY AND CROSS FINGERS THAT SOMEONE COMES AND TELLS ME TO NOMINATE SOMEONE ELSE" 3) rayn vouches for prplhz -> "THANK GOD I WOULD HAVE DONE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE FULLY KNOWING I DID ONE IF RAYN DIDNT DO THAT" really kita? really? that's not how mafia plays. | ||
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So about 65% of the time we hit at least one liberal (well i'd stop right away if we get liberal anyways). If we happen to hit FFF the deck is resuffled. Second fascist policy goes to krogan who i believe is town, he gets the investigation. I would trust the result. krogan can investigate kitaman. Third fascist policy goes to kitaman, in case he is town. If not then we will do something else but we know kitaman (or at least one of krogan / kitaman) is mafia. Is there anyone who believes that krogan is mafia? Because in my opinion from the presidents (if you think someone is mafia there) Grackaroni looks the worst for not passing FL instead of LL (passibg FL to prplhz is the correct play there). That's not much, but still a possiblilty, i would find it more likely that mafia are just rels/byj/kitaman/(prplhz). | ||
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On November 07 2018 07:03 Grackaroni wrote: I don't like the plan because it goes really badly if Krogan is scum, and I think there is still a decent chance that he is scum. Thinking about the president powers I'd rather try Kita or Rels (would prefer Rels but I assume it will be Kita) and leave you with the check if there's a failed mission. Basically your town ppl are; you, me, conversion, rels, kitaman right? | ||
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On November 07 2018 07:11 Grackaroni wrote: No I'm pretty close to the same page as Rels. I think the most likely team is Prplhz/Kitaman/HK Can you elaborate here a bit more. Why does Conversion's gov pass if this is the case? Or even your gov? | ||
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We downvote you, the next whoever that was, me -> 1F We downvote next 3 -> 2F -> krogan gets investigation -> krogan investigates you (gets town - you're ok, gets scum, one of you 2 are scum and we re-evaluate) We downvote next 3 (if you = town) -> 3F -> you get to choose president there Now if this happens, we will re-evaluate there. If there is a liberal passed anywhere on the path we re-evaluate there. | ||
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On November 07 2018 07:29 Grackaroni wrote: Kitaman/HK were both pushing against Conversion which aside from you was why I ended up choosing Prplhz, so I didn't like that. If this is town/town then maybe you are right and Rels/Byj are scum downvoting and one scum upvoted. But if prplhz is scum then I'm much more suspicious of Kita/HK who passed the mission when it was going to be a close vote. (Also if I was mafia then this is like your entire mafia team down voting a scum mission and all town upvoting.) Honestly I haven't put much effort into analyzing anything recently though and I may be completely wrong just from looking at the second vote count. I recall Happykrogan kind of wavering his way into voting yes on this and being kind of suspicious of it but I don't see remember anything about Prplhz here and I don't see why scum prplhz would upvote this mission if you/conversion are both town. I can't figure out your conclusion here. Can you put some effort at some point into well.. making a conclusion. Because to me it feels like you aren't really saying anything like "this is why i think this is true" instead of "this might be or this might not be". | ||
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On November 07 2018 07:35 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think that's better than passing a Kita/Krogan pair with a 65% chance of a liberal card getting to Krogan and then doing a single draw rotation afterwards if we get FFF since that would leave the deck at 3F, 2L and then we can follow through like planned? The problem is that's not going to necessarily be 3F 2L. If the last draw would have 100% chance of drawing at least 1L (unless someone is lying) it'd make perfect sense to do that, but i wanna cover possible "fuck ups" with at least [i]guaranteed[/] information. | ||
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On October 31 2018 04:29 kitaman27 wrote: It sounds like we're talking about different situations. I'm saying roll with the good guys as long as we can and once we hit a fail, re-evaluate if it's a 3F or sabotage. Electing Hitler won't need to be something to worry about as much before that because we're not at that threshold. Once we do cross that threshold, it obviously becomes a bigger concern. so what do we do now? | ||
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On November 07 2018 08:03 Grackaroni wrote: Those are just my thoughts after you asked me to look at the votes. I dont understand this either since if you just look at the votes the scumteam is "obviously" byj/Rels/kitaman for you at least. | ||
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On November 07 2018 12:05 byj wrote: Feels townie especially with how Election #2 went, seems very genuine, especially with supposedly discarding the F from LLF Why does Grackaroni look more town than any other president? Like Grackaroni literally should get less town credit from his actions than any other president so far because passing 2L is less townie than passing 1F1L. I am amused how you come to this conclusion and it's your pretty much ONLY conclusion in this game. Explain to me, if prplhz is town what does it matter if Grackaroni as scum gives him one or two liberal cards??? | ||
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On November 07 2018 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think grackaroni is mafia and i want to use the investigation over you (or people after me) because i am sure as hell more trustworthy than you/byj/prplhz regardless of affiliations of any of yours. Or kita/grack enacts liberal or me/conversion enact liberal after. | ||
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On November 08 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote: I have family coming up starting today so not a lot of time to play. I think the best way to approach it is go for elections (so elect most townie people as chancellors), reject everything that seems way to scummy. We can possibly eat one facist policy being enacted before rayn, since if we do, we should 100% skip until rayn is president, and then if he eats a policy he gets to investigate, otherwise we most likely get a liberal policy passed, leaving us at 4-1, or 3-2 with one either confirmed facist or confirmed liberal, which is super good still for us. If a liberal policy is passed, I think we enact Rels's presidency anyways to try and set up investigative on rayn. I think rayn's plan was similar to this? not quite sure-- haven't had to time to read deeply into it. That's how I think I want to play until the reshuffle Yes thats what i am saying. | ||
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On November 08 2018 00:36 Rels wrote: Well whatever you said, that I was making more sense or something Dunno why you think I want to ruin the game, don't know why you think I scum read you or conversation when I probably townread conversion before you. You re the one ruining my fun of playing the game here, but I'll just talk to other people I guess Then you should have played when it mattered. You dont get to come here and tell why i am an idiot ehen you once again fucking afkd bssically for a week. Your d2 "playing" was what i could have done on maybe 15 minutes, and you didnt even vote d3 so yeah... there you go. | ||
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On November 08 2018 01:22 kitaman27 wrote: I think Krogan deserved the town cred from the first election where he had the opportunity to pass FF and claim FFF, where as you had less of a choice. If I had the opportunity now, I'd choose you over krogan since you're still trying to find a path to victory and he has kinda dropped off, but I still think you're both town regardless. Why is it not possible krogan drew LLF? | ||
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On November 07 2018 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does Grackaroni look more town than any other president? Like Grackaroni literally should get less town credit from his actions than any other president so far because passing 2L is less townie than passing 1F1L. I am amused how you come to this conclusion and it's your pretty much ONLY conclusion in this game. Explain to me, if prplhz is town what does it matter if Grackaroni as scum gives him one or two liberal cards??? Answer this byj please. | ||
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Also team conv/rayn, while you can't really attack against it (well you could attack conversion maybe) -- if enabled and passes a liberal policy, is basically a death punch to scum, so i don't see what other options scum had other than try something to get the team rejected, or afk... | ||
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Idk, i am sorry of you are town but i have figured out a strategy that wins the game more likely than any other strategy, and every other strategy has downsides. As i said you should have played earlier if you disagree for "i wanna play" because i lose interest in games i have "figured out" already. Sooo... there is that. I dont need to know anything but that conversion is town and the dude i investigate is either town/scum. Thats it. | ||
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On November 08 2018 08:05 Rels wrote: even if he's Hitler, the result will just be "fascist" right ? Yes. He either comes back town or if he doesnt, k can truat you. | ||
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On November 08 2018 08:07 Rels wrote: I think your plan is a good way to play the game from your position, where you're unsure of kita / me. But you still should push for who you think is townier to pass their teams. The problem is there might be some dumb townspeople who can ruin this shit, so i'd rather take my chances on having two chances on passing one team before me than one. If you can convince people to accept you+grack over kita+grack then i can vote no here. It's up to you. | ||
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Unless you for some reason think i am mafia (Conversion's alignment doesn't even matter here). It is true i would have maybe played liberal card as scum in the first mission with krogan in case i was scum, but i would sure as hell not played a liberal card in the last mission, because there is simply almost no way for me to win giving town 3-0 lead at this point, regardless of how much town credit it gives me. Ironically, if you think both kitaman and Rels are scum, you need to vote yes there too. Because we need to accept one of kita's/Rels' team and pass the other one regardless of the outcome. That way either the investigation will go to closest confirmed town (which is me, feel free to disagree with actual reasoning that is not "i know i am town" -- that's not really any sort of reasoning since it's just stupid), or we enact a liberal policy in either kita's / rels' team, or after that in my team. That would put us in 4-0 (4-1) and it's basically impossible to lose. If i get the investigation i will inv prplhz, i either get town which always wins us the game, or i get mafia, which basically guarantees Rels as town. If that happens, then Conversion's affiliation comes into play. You can always argue that "he got 2L1F and had to pass at least 1L to you" but yeah, other presidents had that chance too, and well.. we can discuss that then, i don't wanna give answers to anyone here. So, please, make use of your time today. Make some actual reads now if you haven't. This is probably the most significant point of the game. Please do not fuck this up if you are town. I'm gonna go to work and i'll be back at last ~2 hrs before the deadline. | ||
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On November 08 2018 20:17 happykrogan wrote: To your treating players differently scum knows each other: you asked the question first while byj just made one random post about it Rels this is 100% correct. He wasnt necessarily doing what you suggested, because this makes perfect sense and is even way more likely than what you said. | ||
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On November 08 2018 20:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels this is 100% correct. He wasnt necessarily doing what you suggested, because this makes perfect sense and is even way more likely than what you said. Here is what i have a hard time believing Rels. If you have a narrative (which in itself isnt necessarily scummy) that treating players differently when they had the same thought (which isnt even what happened there -- but thats another thing), then regarding the prplhz chancellor election, why is it a scumtell for krpgan when what he did was all +1'ing me? Like literally, i started questioning prplhz for his jesitative stance, krogan made almoat the same posts i did, i eventually decided to vote yes, krogan followed me. Why is this different? It doesnt matter that you have a townread on me from different things, but you know or think a townie -- aka me -- did that, krogan should never get "scum credit" from that if you actually believe in what you say about how krogan treated you/byj. | ||
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On November 09 2018 07:26 Conversion wrote: Do you want to vote yes on kita and no on Rels? You can vote anything you want on kita's team. | ||
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Who else if not Grackaroni? | ||
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On November 10 2018 03:09 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, why did you sit around and do nothing all day if you wanted me to get elected? Conversion and Krogan would have very easily switched their vote if you told them to, yet you didn't. I was going to vote yes anyways and i didn't want to tell people what to do because i didn't care which one of you/rels gets elected and which one does not. | ||
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On November 10 2018 03:09 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, why did you sit around and do nothing all day if you wanted me to get elected? Conversion and Krogan would have very easily switched their vote if you told them to, yet you didn't. Yeah, as i said i didnt care, i literalyl didnt care. Why are you here painting me as baddie when you havent done fucking shit in the past 24 hour except for claiming scum? | ||
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Now you are using circular reasoning. And i wont quote you my questions because you literally said you saw them ans´d would answer. So fuck you, | ||
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YEAH BYJ SHOWED FACW HERE I JUST SDIDNT THINK HE IS SCUM BEFORE HE SHOWED FACE AND NOW I AM TAKING JABS AT RAYN BECAUSE BYJ IS SCUM!!!!!!! Fuck you rels. | ||
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On November 11 2018 03:05 kitaman27 wrote: byj has looked townier than you lately to be honest. for you maybe idc. but you are scum so i dont care. why do you even say that? byj thinks you are scum ands votes yes on your team.... | ||
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On November 11 2018 03:05 kitaman27 wrote: byj has looked townier than you lately to be honest. Like this is probably the worst post in the game. It really is, thisnk about it a little. | ||
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Explain it to me -- and anyone -- real closely? | ||
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Because i suspect you? | ||
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On November 11 2018 03:05 kitaman27 wrote: byj has looked townier than you lately to be honest. idk, i treat this as scumclaim because this never ever makes any sense. | ||
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have fun playing rest of the game. | ||
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On November 11 2018 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk, i treat this as scumclaim because this never ever makes any sense. | ||
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why are you now disagreeing? | ||
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On November 11 2018 03:23 kitaman27 wrote: Because I'm realizing how scummy it is. I was happy to get elected because I thought I'd just pass a liberal policy through and the game would be over. Now that I see you've set it up for Rels to pass a facist plan, you to pass a facist plan, and then you to fake a dt check, I've realized that's the only way you're going to win this. Think about it...krogan gave you L/F. I bet you passed L thinking you could take control of the thread and it has worked....until now. you can try to convince people of this. tbh i am gonna fuck up my own plan if (when) i lie as scum. so there is that. you can try to convince other people though, idc,. it gives me more info. | ||
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How can you even say i have a preference on one over another??? Like ugh, i have literally said i dont have a preference, so what in my behavior has been Rels-heavy or whatever you wanna call it? | ||
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On November 08 2018 20:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i have a hard time believing Rels. If you have a narrative (which in itself isnt necessarily scummy) that treating players differently when they had the same thought (which isnt even what happened there -- but thats another thing), then regarding the prplhz chancellor election, why is it a scumtell for krpgan when what he did was all +1'ing me? Like literally, i started questioning prplhz for his jesitative stance, krogan made almoat the same posts i did, i eventually decided to vote yes, krogan followed me. Why is this different? It doesnt matter that you have a townread on me from different things, but you know or think a townie -- aka me -- did that, krogan should never get "scum credit" from that if you actually believe in what you say about how krogan treated you/byj. | ||
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On November 09 2018 02:52 Rels wrote: I skimmed the last few pages, saw a few posts directed at me. I have a lot of work today so I absolutely can't take time to answer stuff right now, that will have to wait until I'm home in 6 hours. | ||
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Why is any of rels, converison, grackaroni town? | ||
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On November 11 2018 04:04 Rels wrote: rayn why didn't you want Grack / Conversion on D2 if that's the team you liked better than Grack / prp ? It didn't stop Conversion to be president on the next turn and elect Conversion / rayn, at least I don't think so Because i didn't think Grackaroni + Conversion would have a chance to get elected and prplhz looked townie then. I don't know why you are asking about stuff that is very clearly written in my filter. | ||
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Idk, do you think i am scum? It's kinda ridiculous if you do since there is no way in hell town leads this game 4-0 if i am scum since i have heavily contributed to every single government so far (and while i didn't on yours and kitas, i could have simply just most likely get both rejected and just lie that i got 3F on my turn or take 1v1 against well.. basically every player in the game). | ||
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1) we elect me and Conversion; 60% to get liberal right away. Aside from the fact i obviously still trust myself over anyone else i don't think this is the best play because 40% chance of failing is too much and if that happens it will give the investigation to someone else than Grackaroni and i do not want that, 2) We pass my team and elect one of prplhz' / byj's team with someone - basically whoever - as chancellor. I see this having 0% chance of enacting a liberal policy but i don't care because then we can pass teams until we will have Grackaroni + Rels. They will also have the whole deck and for that, to get even one liberal card the probability is ~75%. 3) We pass three teams in a row. Then we pass again until it's Grackaroni's turn. The probability of this either enacting liberal from the deck, or with Grackaroni, is 80%. The thing is Grackaroni needs to pick a liberal chancellor. 4) We pass three teams in a row, then we pass another three teams in a row. Then we wait for my turn and we will have a 100% chance of passing a liberal policy, if i pick a liberal chancellor (that is not Rels/Grackaroni). I understand people probably don't want to do this but that actually would be a 100% win right here lol. This all is assuming people are not lying about what they got as president. My preference obviously is (4) but i am okay with (3) or (2) also. Can the townies in this game give their opinion on what do we do? | ||
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that's why anyone who is town in this game should never ever want to even vote for themselves over him. | ||
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1-(fascists / all cards remaining x fascists -1 / all cards -1 x fascists -2 / all cards -2) | ||
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1 - (4/5 x 3/4 x 2/3) = 60% | ||
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On November 13 2018 00:59 happykrogan wrote: So we're doing 4? i think it depends on if rels + grackaroni think i am town or not | ||
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On November 13 2018 01:17 Rels wrote: I'm gonna read the details later, but I would simply suggest to go rayn / Conversion => krogan / Grack. We would need very bad luck to get no liberal policies in those 6 cards. If for some reason the game is not over, Grack is president at that point and can elect whoever he wants apart from krogan The thing here is if we do this then krogan gets the investigation and not Grack. Are you okay with it? | ||
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On November 13 2018 02:15 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think 4 makes sense. If somebody lied then we enact three fascist policies just to find out that somebody threw out a liberal card. yeah well i dont believe so, so.. | ||
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On November 13 2018 02:17 Rels wrote: Plan 3 looks good. We have 80% win. If not, Grack investigates me. Conversion elects me as chancellor => I'm conf town, so even if Conversion is scum, it doesn't matter. If he's not scum, we have 75% win I think. If not, I elect Grack as chancellor when it's my turn. Dunno what's the percentage is but it's at least > 75%. I think we always win here so vote no on my team. | ||
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Could you? Tell me after game. | ||
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I am sorry i vouched for the scum guy. :/ | ||
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HOLD IT IN YOUR HAND LIKE A FLOWER! SUCK IT LIKE A LIFEGIVER! DO IT LIKE-..-...... we are done here grack. | ||
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i am not sexually attracted to kitaman, for the record. peace. | ||
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On November 16 2018 06:12 Grackaroni wrote: Is Kitaman a hottie? i wish i knew, i don't tbh i think kitaman is a he so maybe not for me. | ||
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On November 16 2018 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The next team is President Grackaroni and Chancellor raynpelikoneet I am voting yes to this government. | ||
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Mhmhmhmmm... i am here for like 15 more minutes. then off to bed | ||
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Kitaman should have maybe tried to push himself more onto the first mission to possibly get more town credit. | ||
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On November 16 2018 23:30 kitaman27 wrote: On top of that, even prpl got stuck with the LL which I think was actually the right choice from grack Yeah in the end it was the right choice ofc but generally speaking you should always give LF at that point though it made sense to grack because he picked up the hesitation from prplhz when he got elected. | ||
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On November 16 2018 23:44 kitaman27 wrote: Is it safe to assume that facists typically win by electing Hitler? Getting six facist policies seems like a really tough task to pull off. yes | ||
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On November 17 2018 00:11 Acrofales wrote: And your plan disregarding scum potentially lying about the flips was pretty bad. If you had flipped 2 fascist policies out of 5 cards, you'd be in a lot worse position. Of course, scum was (1) bad, (2) had the game format against them, and (3) unlucky with the draws, so they never got the opportunity to lie about the card flips, and your plan worked out, so it's all water under the bridge. The thing is i was almost 100% sure everyone who were presidents were town, obviously i wouldn't have made that plan if i thought either Grack, Conv, or Rels was scum. | ||
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On November 17 2018 02:42 kitaman27 wrote: Could you two elaborate on why it's better to pass LF instead of LL as a liberal president? If there is a facist chancellor they are going to choose the option that they feel is the most beneficial to their team. Why is it better to give them an option if the information gained is essentially a WIFOM situation? It seems like it would be better to simply ensure the liberal policy gets passed. assumning people have actually made reads in game more info > passing liberal with 0 info that's just my opinion, maybe i am wrong | ||
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No complaints anyways. | ||
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On November 17 2018 04:04 Rels wrote: Yeah I agree passing LL wzs the right choice. Rayn you even said something like that early game, at least I think ? Not this specific situation, but more like "since we don't ever get perfect information due to the randomness if the cards, we need to pass policies than gain info" i didnt | ||
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