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[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 25 2018 01:43 GMT
#11
/in

I originally intended to use 12h where ever that was because otherwise the game can get ridiculously long. But i am okay if you change it to 24h, prolly better.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 25 2018 04:34 GMT
#14
btw Sentinel you might want to proof-read the OP since it seems like i might have some brainfarts when writing that. Or idk it could also be a cool but useless power if the investigation returns hosts affiliation...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 25 2018 18:07 GMT
#19
Based on my experience of resistance-esque games me and kitaman are not the same alignment, except that we are, except that we are not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 25 2018 21:29 GMT
#23
On October 26 2018 03:54 prplhz wrote:
/in

If a government is elected, does the election tracker go to 0?

yes
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2018 21:59 GMT
#34
Sentinel, if you hadn't updated the OP already for this part, make sure that people know that scum are not allowed to discuss the game outside the thread!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2018 22:56 GMT
#50
Is there anyone else who has played this game before other than me?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2018 23:14 GMT
#52
I think you want to have as much information as possible early on in the game. I don't mean "you can also elect people you think are obviously scummy" as like in every game like this reads ultimately matter in conflicts, but basically at least the first 2 "turns" we should have completely different governments. The player who first gets elected as president cannot be a councellor on second election, but regardless of the first policy's outcome i don't think we should include the first councellor into the second government. Fascist policies, even if elected, in fact do not "kill us" that quickly imo.

We should have a town president though, since if the councellor gets 2F cards we cannot know what actually happened, or like... it's a shitty situation where the game usually breaks loose (scum president can always lie they got 3F and were forced to give away 2F).

Idk i don't really wanna talk about scum strategy and hopefully they fuck up something. Get a town president, it doesn't really matter even if the coucellor is scum early on. Dont elect any same people on first two governments. That's pretty must the gist of it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2018 23:26 GMT
#54
On October 30 2018 08:19 happykrogan wrote:
President's can lie about what they get, but we know the policy number, so I think we can eventually figure this out?

I think liberal president should never lie about what they get, because if you do so and scum fuck up, you just put yourself under scrutiny for no apparent reason (which you obviously should not do as town). I don't really think that is an option you should use unless some super rare circumstancial situations, which also includes you have to be absolutely sure about what you do.

Policy peek is pretty much the only thing you can bluff on, but i am not sure if that is even a good idea since liberals don't know other people's affiliations and (especially) caught from being a liar odesn't generally look good. I mean like if there is a situation where you think i am fascist and you decide to make some plan that includes you lying (for you to "possibly catch me"), and instead i catch you from lying, do you think it's good for you if i am liberal (and cannot trust you), or even if i am fascist (and actually DID catch you lying and can possibly convince others why your lie is harmful to liberals)?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2018 23:30 GMT
#57
On October 30 2018 08:29 happykrogan wrote:
I meant knowing the overall policy numbers should help us figure out if a president lied and therefore is scum.

You do not know which policy each president discarded. Only the current president will know which of the three cards they discarded and if it was a liberal or fascist policy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2018 23:31 GMT
#58
There is also always going to be two policy cards in the deck when the deck is reshuffled, so you can never be 100% sure of all of the cards.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2018 23:40 GMT
#61
I gotta get some sleep and tomorrow is gonna be a 12 hour day, for now i am not too worried about anyone you wanna choose for the chancellor except for the next player after you in president candidate queue. I am gonna try to check the thread in the morning, and during work if possible, and for sure i will be back ~2hours before the deadline.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 30 2018 08:36 GMT
#80
happykrogan who'd you pick rn if you made a choice?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 30 2018 09:52 GMT
#83
Alright. I'll elaborate further later on when i am off work since quoting (and even typing) on phone is like hell for me.

I dont understand prplhz' thought process at all and i think its possibly scummy. I mean the "lets pick townie dudes" but "i kinda wanted to include kita because he seems nice" (being nice has nothing to do with being townie or not).

I dont think kruger and kitaman can be in a same scumteam unless kruger is exactly hitler because of how the interactions on the thread have gone so far. Kruger seems town anyways so i am okay with whatever he picks.

I think kita has a flaw on his resistance proposal, but i dont really think that makes him anything.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 30 2018 10:23 GMT
#85
No i dont think its a scum-scum interaction unless kitaman is hitler and prplhz is "claiming mafia" to him but i think it is extremely unlike because it is just plain out a stupid thing to do, as you'd want to do it in a way that noone else catches it and look what happened.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 30 2018 10:44 GMT
#87
I think - if prplhz is scum - it's more likely he is trying to appeal to a townie, than claiming mafia to hitler. 2x normal fascist sounds wayyy too ridiculous for me to even consider.

Anyways i think the whole thought process i gathered from his posts sounds scummy to me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 30 2018 12:10 GMT
#90
Well i have given my opinion on that matter.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 30 2018 13:58 GMT
#96
On October 30 2018 22:34 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 22:18 Rels wrote:
On October 30 2018 21:25 prplhz wrote:
On October 30 2018 18:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. I'll elaborate further later on when i am off work since quoting (and even typing) on phone is like hell for me.

I dont understand prplhz' thought process at all and i think its possibly scummy. I mean the "lets pick townie dudes" but "i kinda wanted to include kita because he seems nice" (being nice has nothing to do with being townie or not).

I dont think kruger and kitaman can be in a same scumteam unless kruger is exactly hitler because of how the interactions on the thread have gone so far. Kruger seems town anyways so i am okay with whatever he picks.

I think kita has a flaw on his resistance proposal, but i dont really think that makes him anything.

My thought process was the other way around, I didn't think "let's elect townie dudes and also kita". I thought "let's elect kita". And then I thought "okay maybe let's elect townie dudes and maybe not kita because he's hard to read and if we elect him now, the doubt it creates will linger for a good while". In my posts I actually say "there are some reasons to not elect kita that applies more to him than to others".

In many elections in mafia, you don't necessarily elect the most townie person, but some combination of townie and skilled. For example for mayor. I just want to elect townie people in this game because the chancellor doesn't actually have to do anything other than push through a liberal policy. He doesn't need to be any good at mafia to do that.

Ok. But I don't understand you townread kita in the first place for being nice. When apparently you think hes a good scum player

I didn't. It was early in the game and I had no reads so I went with kita because I think he's nice. I didn't think he was more town than others or that him being nice outside of the game made him more town.

The problem i have with that is that i dont understand why you simultaneously think lets elect townies (which should be a norm) andd lets elect kita who you dont have a townread on.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 30 2018 18:06 GMT
#121
The main point is that sooner or later some goverment is going to draw 3F so like.... "unsuccesful" government doesnt always equal suspicious. Nor does succesful government equal townies since scum in some cases have incentive to elect liberal policies.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 30 2018 18:06 GMT
#122
Basically the game doesnt work like resistance since fail != scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 30 2018 18:44 GMT
#125
On October 31 2018 03:30 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The main point is that sooner or later some goverment is going to draw 3F so like.... "unsuccesful" government doesnt always equal suspicious. Nor does succesful government equal townies since scum in some cases have incentive to elect liberal policies.


Eh if players are electing liberal policies, I'm fine taking that risk as long as they keep producing good results and don't look sketchy otherwise. I think I see what you're saying with the 3F stuff, but that seems like something we can evaluate when it comes up. Either way, it looks like we're forced to elect separate people based on the rules of the 8 player setup.

Technically we can swap with 4 players, but like... there is also hitler. You know scum win if hitler is elected as chancellor after i dont remember how many fascist policies. Do you get what that means? Or what may happen?
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