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On November 02 2018 23:47 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no? He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels.
interesting.
On November 02 2018 20:00 happykrogan wrote:
I'm going to vote yes.
I am not entirely confident in the team, but if I would only vote teams of two players I townread I would almost never vote yes.
And Grack and prplhz are at least less scummy then Rels/Conversion/byj
And whatever happens, we always get information out of it, so I generally prefer voting yes anyway.
@HK Can I get some clarification on what team would make sense, since you are so steadfast in believing that I am scum through my lying nature?
Would it be me-byj, or me-rels?
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On November 02 2018 23:49 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?
If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.
Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals. In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went. Fair enough. Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically?
Let me take a look into his filter. I recall him being pretty neutral (and I historically can never read the dude correctly..)
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oof.. I really don't like the second part of his filter. His first part was just a lot of defending himself. IDK if that makes him a facist though?
On November 01 2018 02:46 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 02:41 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 02:35 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 02:02 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 00:46 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 10:12 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:06 happykrogan wrote:
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So why ask in the first place if you don't come to conclusions? Because maybe you could have answered something else that would have been more immediately useful to me. I don't know in advance what your answer may be. What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea? Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government. Is that more immediately useful? If not, what other possible answers are there? I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government. So me not fullfilling your expectations doesn't help you to draw conclusions. How would me fullfilling your expectations help you to draw conclusions, if me doing the opposite thing doesn't? You didn't do the opposite, you did like a middle of the road thing that didn't push me in either direction. I guess I believe you... But please do more stuff other than still talking about the kitaman thing, which most of your posts are about. It's that I don't have unlimited time and people were super mad. I'm thinking about some other things too, but I'm not ready to post.
what other things were you thinking about prplhz? confused as to why you didn't just post what your thoughts were and instead went straight back into one liners for a bit after
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On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote:
I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F.
also why is voting you contingent on what cards we drew? or am I missing/messing something up here
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On November 03 2018 00:13 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Grackaroni wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no? He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels. interesting. On November 02 2018 20:00 happykrogan wrote:
I'm going to vote yes.
I am not entirely confident in the team, but if I would only vote teams of two players I townread I would almost never vote yes.
And Grack and prplhz are at least less scummy then Rels/Conversion/byj
And whatever happens, we always get information out of it, so I generally prefer voting yes anyway. @HK Can I get some clarification on what team would make sense, since you are so steadfast in believing that I am scum through my lying nature? Would it be me-byj, or me-rels? My problem is that you appaer really scummy to me, but rayn who played way more than me (and is most likely town as he enacted a liberal policy where could have enacted a fascist one) and Grack (who I have nothing against except your joke/communication which was probably nothing) read you as town. So I am really torn right now. Also you look better now. I planned looking into you again when I have to(when you're the presidential candidate). That lying will bother me the whole game though... As for your question: Neither of them is more probable than the other, as you don't really mention each other.
I have a pretty big problem with this-- you seem to have (or had) a rather strong read in me being a facist, and you threw out two other names (byj, Rels). if you can't see a logical connection just because we don't mention each other, are you saying the entire team lies in byj/conversion/rels? If you're not willing to make a deeper read, or connect the dots, why are the three names in there? Are you just objectively evaluating persons individually without a thought to the larger team at hand (this is ok, I'm just trying to understand how those names got there)
or do you see a world in which I am not facist-- in which case, which of the two remaining (Byj, rels) is more facist to you, and what do you think the team will be? as @Grack mentioned, just having your entire pool in AFKers/barely playing people isn't great
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On November 03 2018 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I think it's scummy that Conversion was cool with passing grack and prpl through, yet when I asked him to justify a prpl read, he admits he hasn't really looked at him.
Do you disagree with my reasoning that I want information, which is the primary reason I want to enact this government?
Does that make prplhz scummy as well?
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On November 03 2018 00:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:On November 03 2018 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I think it's scummy that Conversion was cool with passing grack and prpl through, yet when I asked him to justify a prpl read, he admits he hasn't really looked at him. Do you disagree with my reasoning that I want information, which is the primary reason I want to enact this government? I disagree because literally any two players will give us information, considering only krogan and rayn have been elected and they can't be chosen. Doesn't it make more sense to get information AND vote for two players that have the best chance of passing a liberal policy? Now that you've read through prpl, does that change your mind about the vote? Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:
Does that make prplhz scummy as well? I think you made a solid point about prpl being "not ready to post.", which doesn't really make sense if you have something important to say unless you're laying a trap, which doesn't seem like prpl's style. I'm still pretty conflicted about whether I'm going to vote yes or no on this one.
Theoretically speaking, if we don't pass this government (which I think has a higher likelihood of having minimum 1 liberal 1 facist), we get to me. I have a pretty uphill battle to climb to get my government passed-- if I pass Grack/prplhz which I feel somewhat okay about even if we pass a facist policy, I now can enact a government with rayn/HK on it to try and get another liberal policy through.
If this government gets passed though, I think I still cannot enact rayn/HK (unless I'm misunderstanding the rules), which leads me to try and make a team with Grack or you, which I'm not sure people will pass.
In the worst case scenario, we pass two governments and then, with almost no new information, have to decide on a randomized policy, or auto-passing the government, which I think is not a great spot for liberals to be in.
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On November 03 2018 02:41 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:41 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:On November 03 2018 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I think it's scummy that Conversion was cool with passing grack and prpl through, yet when I asked him to justify a prpl read, he admits he hasn't really looked at him. Do you disagree with my reasoning that I want information, which is the primary reason I want to enact this government? I disagree because literally any two players will give us information, considering only krogan and rayn have been elected and they can't be chosen. Doesn't it make more sense to get information AND vote for two players that have the best chance of passing a liberal policy? Now that you've read through prpl, does that change your mind about the vote? On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:
Does that make prplhz scummy as well? I think you made a solid point about prpl being "not ready to post.", which doesn't really make sense if you have something important to say unless you're laying a trap, which doesn't seem like prpl's style. I'm still pretty conflicted about whether I'm going to vote yes or no on this one. Theoretically speaking, if we don't pass this government (which I think has a higher likelihood of having minimum 1 liberal 1 facist), we get to me. I have a pretty uphill battle to climb to get my government passed-- if I pass Grack/prplhz which I feel somewhat okay about even if we pass a facist policy, I now can enact a government with rayn/HK on it to try and get another liberal policy through. If this government gets passed though, I think I still cannot enact rayn/HK (unless I'm misunderstanding the rules), which leads me to try and make a team with Grack or you, which I'm not sure people will pass. In the worst case scenario, we pass two governments and then, with almost no new information, have to decide on a randomized policy, or auto-passing the government, which I think is not a great spot for liberals to be in.
clarifying this part here: pass a facist policy due to bad draw (f/f/f), or Grack is facist (draws l/f/f, discards l).
worst case scenario both of them are facist/one of them is hitler
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pressed post.. whoops. in that case if we think prplhz is a hitler/facist combo, we veto this 100%, but I think the likelihood of it being 1 liberal 1 facist is much higher.
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sorry-- I meant to say if this government doesn't get passed, I still think I can't vote you or HK
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I’m uploading rayn as the chancelore
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No special reason on rayn > krogan aside from me liking his posts more
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I also strongly dislike kitaman disclaiming everything he does with a “I’m not sure”
Like he wasn’t sure on the last government, he’s not sure on who he’s going to nominate for a government.
Also his reasoning for me being scummy (I was cool with passing Grack/prplhz for information, calls me out on it, but when others made a comment relating to it he doesn’t address it) is pretty weird. I don’t understand how I’m scummier than prplhz when I made a good call out on his behavior, which he disregared bc “meta”
Just seems weirdly convicted on certain things, and overly eager to share that he is uncertain— like he’s overly accentuating his lack of certainty
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obvious and non-dangerous read.. so what does that make Kita's read, and everyone literally barring two people (rayn, and possibly Grack)?
On November 05 2018 01:18 kitaman27 wrote:
My new tiers for trustworthiness would be:
tier 1: krogan, grack, rayn
tier 2: prpl
tier 3: byj, conversion, rels
I think grack rejecting his own presidency is rather town looking considering the decent opportunity to pass FF. Now that byj has started posting more, I think he looks a lot worse by purposely withholding his reads and asking random questions that don't seem like they serve a purpose.
I'm going to vote down the conversion team. For my presidency, I'd likely nominate krogan who I have a slightly better feeling on, compared to rayn, but I still haven't decided for sure.
wow such a non obvious and dangerous lead, amirite Krogan?
Also how are you going to say my statement about Kita is not true? He has a good amount of posts that literally just say that he is unsure about something. Care to point out in quotes and filters why it's not true, instead of dismissing me randomly?
Also don't put words in my mouth to fit a narrative. I didn't like certain parts of prplhz's play, never scumread him strongly. The worst case scenario in my head was Grack scum prplhz unsure, but I strongly townread Grack (imagine you actually tried to read my filter, and ask if you were unsure as to what I was insinuating. hard task, eh?)
On November 03 2018 03:06 Conversion wrote:
pressed post.. whoops. in that case if we think prplhz is a hitler/facist combo, we veto this 100%, but I think the likelihood of it being 1 liberal 1 facist is much higher.
I thought if prplhz was scum! in my world, I'd still pass the government because I thought liberal!Grack most likely pass 1/1 L/F to give us information anyways (we ended up getting L/L passed on prplhz)
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clarifying: worst case scenario was a Grack/prplhz hilter/facist combo* as per the quote I pulled from reading my filter.
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On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.
And at least we will get informationout of it. Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are. As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote. Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread Examples: Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read? As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ? Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread. I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for. Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now What do you mean? Can you elaborate more? Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything byj: less scummy than rels. posted nothing mentionworth except this: Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler. Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is? after I asked him to contribute more. The only read he has and it's an easy to make a read about one post. Generally my gameplan is not really to find scum, but town so I can vote them. But then I realized if I only vote my top townreads I almost always will vote no, so I will at least vote now for information. So I voted yes here even if haze is slightly scummy (because Conversion after him is more scummy - at least at the time I made the vote)
also great dangerous, non-obvious reads you have there, happykrogan. Can you tell me in what world that me/rels/byj being facist is a "dangerous" and non-obvious read? I'd love to get your insight on how you trailblazed these three leads through your superior induction skills.
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also let's not forget that when I asked you to actually logically place a facist/facist team, you basically refused to do so
On November 03 2018 00:23 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:17 Conversion wrote:On November 03 2018 00:13 happykrogan wrote:On November 02 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Grackaroni wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no? He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels. interesting. On November 02 2018 20:00 happykrogan wrote:
I'm going to vote yes.
I am not entirely confident in the team, but if I would only vote teams of two players I townread I would almost never vote yes.
And Grack and prplhz are at least less scummy then Rels/Conversion/byj
And whatever happens, we always get information out of it, so I generally prefer voting yes anyway. @HK Can I get some clarification on what team would make sense, since you are so steadfast in believing that I am scum through my lying nature? Would it be me-byj, or me-rels? My problem is that you appaer really scummy to me, but rayn who played way more than me (and is most likely town as he enacted a liberal policy where could have enacted a fascist one) and Grack (who I have nothing against except your joke/communication which was probably nothing) read you as town. So I am really torn right now. Also you look better now. I planned looking into you again when I have to(when you're the presidential candidate). That lying will bother me the whole game though... As for your question: Neither of them is more probable than the other, as you don't really mention each other. I have a pretty big problem with this-- you seem to have (or had) a rather strong read in me being a facist, and you threw out two other names (byj, Rels). if you can't see a logical connection just because we don't mention each other, are you saying the entire team lies in byj/conversion/rels? If you're not willing to make a deeper read, or connect the dots, why are the three names in there? Are you just objectively evaluating persons individually without a thought to the larger team at hand (this is ok, I'm just trying to understand how those names got there) or do you see a world in which I am not facist-- in which case, which of the two remaining (Byj, rels) is more facist to you, and what do you think the team will be? as @Grack mentioned, just having your entire pool in AFKers/barely playing people isn't great yes. I didn't really tried to find a team connection yet. I just listed scummy individuals. And not mentioning each other doesn't mean you are not im a team. I will read through some filters later until I can give you an answer to the other question that will satisfy myself.
?? do you have some edgy, dangerous, non-obvious reads for us yet? or are you just going to tunnel in more and take the easy way to call ambiguous players facists in hopes that you can coast this game?
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On November 03 2018 04:48 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If this government gets passed you can elect me/hk, conversion.
Prplhz any reads? Why is grack scum? Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines. He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos. His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good. I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me. I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town. I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening.
In what way am I actively trying to lose the game, aside from my shitposting early game? Are you serious? Did you even bother reading past page 10 of this game before you made this post?
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On November 05 2018 20:05 byj wrote:Thanks <3 Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i just went to check the last game and idk what people are talking about but byj was the only one in that game to even vote for mafia and almost figured out the game on D2. Yeah he didn't say much there but what do you expect in a game that was something ridiculous like 10 pages in total. The point is he actually had reads and they werent even retarded. <3 Probably the game before that What makes you think they don't serve a purpose? Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 21:32 happykrogan wrote:
but I acknowledge that you might think you had a good plan. I was hoping for people to come 'defend' my plan, or try to not push me too hard. There would be no reason to do so, so I can assume the people doing so are Scum trying to gain my credit. Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\).
???
I dug through your filter four times now and I have no idea what your "plan" was
Care to elaborate?
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On November 06 2018 00:50 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyone notice how Conversion was happy to play a back seat role until now? Suddenly it's his turn and he starts attacking the people who are questioning his alignment. I think that shows that he's more invested in getting elected as opposed to figuring out the game the previous couple of cycles, where he simply went with policy votes.
1) I was busy this weekend which is why I "took a backseat role," so don't fit your narrative to fit your argument, please.
2) I don't care about getting elected, I care about poorly constructed arguments. Can you specify anywhere in my filter where I want people to elect me?
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