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Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 14 2018 21:13 GMT
#701
## Unvote
## Vote Rels


Qatol, Rayn and Prplhz follow me on this, we can lynch RoL tomorrow when we can get more people on him. A three man wagon is going to fail when scum all hammer vote at deadline we need to consolidate with the absent townies and that’s Kelsier and Meapak, Kelsier voting into Qatol so we have to follow Meapak.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:14 GMT
#702
So you think Qatol is town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:14 GMT
#703
And meapak mafia? or what?
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
September 14 2018 21:16 GMT
#704
On September 15 2018 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 05:50 Qatol wrote:
On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol?

Two of them:
1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar.

2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive.

1) If rels thinks all of us are town then he does. Does meapak have a reason to suggest that is bullshit? because i don't see one. Okay, i can relate this to you: have you wanted to lynch rayn, sergio, koshi, kelsier? I dont even care if you had called any of those people scum at any point of the game, have you TRIED TO LYNCH THEM? Also once again, people having more than 2-3 town reads is not uncommon, i am pretty sure i had more than 3 town reads after D1.

2) I originally (when i voted for Kaley) wanted to lynch him for the exact same reason. Why does mafia!Rels just not say "i am sheeping rayn" or some other shit like that, unless ofc he is mafia with me (but you are not suggesting that afaik). Maybe you can, but i can't see any argument why Kaley should NOT EVER be lynched in this game D1. I stand by it, however it might may me look, and i am pretty sure if you wanna play a decent game of mafia you don't wanna shit like that in your game, ever. period.

note that this is not why i even decided to vote for Kaley, i was being understanding, and gave him chances, he didnt took them. so fuck him.

1. It isn't the number of town reads that bothers me. The uncommon thing is that they were all arguing with each other. I just don't see town!rels not taking sides on that kind of thing. That screams fear to me. Considering he hasn't even tried to contribute other than the case on me, that screams mafia.

2. No, I definitely think Kaley could have been lynched D1. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted the way I did. However, that isn't the argument Rels made. His argument was "this is hard to read and I don't want to bother."

On September 15 2018 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just read his case on me and tell me if you were me you would totally be on board with him...

I obviously don't agree with his case on you. But here's the big thing: that doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter how you view each other. What matters is the town is at lylo and needs a majority on a scum. That means the townies need to vote for the same person, even if they don't trust each other. You can accuse each other later.

Think of it this way: if the town gets a majority, this could be a way to force mafia!meapak to go along with it, making last second idiocy even less likely (because then he has to be at his computer right before the lynch to undo it). This doesn't mean you have to trust meapak. This is more about the town focusing on a single mafia member.
Uff Da
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 14 2018 21:16 GMT
#705
Jesus Christ do you read anything I post?!

Qatol, Meapak, Kelsier - town

Rels, RoL - Scum

I’m not sure on the third scum it’s either Rayn or Prplhz
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:21 GMT
#706
On September 15 2018 06:16 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2018 05:50 Qatol wrote:
On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol?

Two of them:
1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar.

2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive.

1) If rels thinks all of us are town then he does. Does meapak have a reason to suggest that is bullshit? because i don't see one. Okay, i can relate this to you: have you wanted to lynch rayn, sergio, koshi, kelsier? I dont even care if you had called any of those people scum at any point of the game, have you TRIED TO LYNCH THEM? Also once again, people having more than 2-3 town reads is not uncommon, i am pretty sure i had more than 3 town reads after D1.

2) I originally (when i voted for Kaley) wanted to lynch him for the exact same reason. Why does mafia!Rels just not say "i am sheeping rayn" or some other shit like that, unless ofc he is mafia with me (but you are not suggesting that afaik). Maybe you can, but i can't see any argument why Kaley should NOT EVER be lynched in this game D1. I stand by it, however it might may me look, and i am pretty sure if you wanna play a decent game of mafia you don't wanna shit like that in your game, ever. period.

note that this is not why i even decided to vote for Kaley, i was being understanding, and gave him chances, he didnt took them. so fuck him.

1. It isn't the number of town reads that bothers me. The uncommon thing is that they were all arguing with each other. I just don't see town!rels not taking sides on that kind of thing. That screams fear to me. Considering he hasn't even tried to contribute other than the case on me, that screams mafia.

2. No, I definitely think Kaley could have been lynched D1. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted the way I did. However, that isn't the argument Rels made. His argument was "this is hard to read and I don't want to bother."

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just read his case on me and tell me if you were me you would totally be on board with him...

I obviously don't agree with his case on you. But here's the big thing: that doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter how you view each other. What matters is the town is at lylo and needs a majority on a scum. That means the townies need to vote for the same person, even if they don't trust each other. You can accuse each other later.

Think of it this way: if the town gets a majority, this could be a way to force mafia!meapak to go along with it, making last second idiocy even less likely (because then he has to be at his computer right before the lynch to undo it). This doesn't mean you have to trust meapak. This is more about the town focusing on a single mafia member.

I don't like two things.
1) we were not all arguing with each other. Actually almost all of us were (except for Kelsier) each other's town reads. Feel free to prove me wrong.

2) i do not like how you call out a lynch like you do here. You did it at the start of D3, saying basically my vote on kelsier is stupid because i cant get him lynched anyways (that is entirely wrong). we put a wagon on RoL, that IS doable, regardless of if it is a mafia or town endorsed wagon. Why are you against people voting?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:22 GMT
#707
i guess that's not really against or in favor of rels. but you qatol
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
September 14 2018 21:23 GMT
#708
On September 15 2018 06:13 Sergiovan wrote:
## Unvote
## Vote Rels


Qatol, Rayn and Prplhz follow me on this, we can lynch RoL tomorrow when we can get more people on him. A three man wagon is going to fail when scum all hammer vote at deadline we need to consolidate with the absent townies and that’s Kelsier and Meapak, Kelsier voting into Qatol so we have to follow Meapak.

I will switch to rels if rayn or prplhz does. If they say they aren't switching, I think our best chance is for meapak to show up and have him switch. Otherwise, you're just splitting the vote.
Uff Da
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:23 GMT
#709
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:24 GMT
#710
On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc

so is anyone willing to join me?
if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why.

thank you.
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
September 14 2018 21:27 GMT
#711
On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc

so is anyone willing to join me?
if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why.

thank you.

Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please.
Uff Da
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 14 2018 21:30 GMT
#712
On September 15 2018 06:00 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz: vote for either Rels or RoL. Take a stand that matters for this lynch. You are clearly here

Seriously no.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:30 GMT
#713
On September 15 2018 06:27 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2018 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
## unvote
## vote kelsiersc

so is anyone willing to join me?
if not, be a fucking inactive or show balls and tell me why.

thank you.

Because he isn't the best odds for scum. Because you're losing your temper in a way that clearly hurts the town. Calm down please.

Who is to say that? You?
If i am completely honest i dont feel confident voting with you, which is why i dont find confident right now at all. I am 100% calm, me saying "fuck" or whatever words doesn't make me less competitive, ever. I am sorry though if it feels bad for someone.

Why is Kelsier the best lynch, who is?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:30 GMT
#714
isn't*
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:31 GMT
#715
On September 15 2018 06:30 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 06:00 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz: vote for either Rels or RoL. Take a stand that matters for this lynch. You are clearly here

Seriously no.

who are you voting for?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:32 GMT
#716
On September 15 2018 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 06:30 prplhz wrote:
On September 15 2018 06:00 Sergiovan wrote:
Prplhz: vote for either Rels or RoL. Take a stand that matters for this lynch. You are clearly here

Seriously no.

who are you voting for?

nvm, you jsut hung on like 100 hours before you actually voted..............
purplehaze......... why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:35 GMT
#717
idk maybe i am wrong, this is shit.
dont do voting threads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:35 GMT
#718
OR AT LEAST VOTE IN THE FUCKING GAME THREAD*!
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
September 14 2018 21:40 GMT
#719
On September 15 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 06:16 Qatol wrote:
On September 15 2018 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 15 2018 05:50 Qatol wrote:
On September 15 2018 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you still tell me which of Meapak's points on Rels were good Qatol?

Two of them:
1. Meapak doesn't like that Rels decided that everyone in you, sergio, koshi, and kelsier were town, rather than backing one or two of you. I agree. It isn't how townies react to arguments. It's a way to avoid confrontation and keep yourself off the radar.

2. Meapak points out that Rels basically wants to lynch Kaley for playing in a way that is hard to read. I agree that this is about as flimsy of a reason as you can get to join a bandwagon. Rels doesn't even point out any arguments regarding Kaley that he thinks are persuasive.

1) If rels thinks all of us are town then he does. Does meapak have a reason to suggest that is bullshit? because i don't see one. Okay, i can relate this to you: have you wanted to lynch rayn, sergio, koshi, kelsier? I dont even care if you had called any of those people scum at any point of the game, have you TRIED TO LYNCH THEM? Also once again, people having more than 2-3 town reads is not uncommon, i am pretty sure i had more than 3 town reads after D1.

2) I originally (when i voted for Kaley) wanted to lynch him for the exact same reason. Why does mafia!Rels just not say "i am sheeping rayn" or some other shit like that, unless ofc he is mafia with me (but you are not suggesting that afaik). Maybe you can, but i can't see any argument why Kaley should NOT EVER be lynched in this game D1. I stand by it, however it might may me look, and i am pretty sure if you wanna play a decent game of mafia you don't wanna shit like that in your game, ever. period.

note that this is not why i even decided to vote for Kaley, i was being understanding, and gave him chances, he didnt took them. so fuck him.

1. It isn't the number of town reads that bothers me. The uncommon thing is that they were all arguing with each other. I just don't see town!rels not taking sides on that kind of thing. That screams fear to me. Considering he hasn't even tried to contribute other than the case on me, that screams mafia.

2. No, I definitely think Kaley could have been lynched D1. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted the way I did. However, that isn't the argument Rels made. His argument was "this is hard to read and I don't want to bother."

On September 15 2018 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just read his case on me and tell me if you were me you would totally be on board with him...

I obviously don't agree with his case on you. But here's the big thing: that doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter how you view each other. What matters is the town is at lylo and needs a majority on a scum. That means the townies need to vote for the same person, even if they don't trust each other. You can accuse each other later.

Think of it this way: if the town gets a majority, this could be a way to force mafia!meapak to go along with it, making last second idiocy even less likely (because then he has to be at his computer right before the lynch to undo it). This doesn't mean you have to trust meapak. This is more about the town focusing on a single mafia member.

I don't like two things.
1) we were not all arguing with each other. Actually almost all of us were (except for Kelsier) each other's town reads. Feel free to prove me wrong.

2) i do not like how you call out a lynch like you do here. You did it at the start of D3, saying basically my vote on kelsier is stupid because i cant get him lynched anyways (that is entirely wrong). we put a wagon on RoL, that IS doable, regardless of if it is a mafia or town endorsed wagon. Why are you against people voting?

1) Sergio vs. Koshi
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
Koshi is sooooo scummy, am I totally pants-on-head retarded? I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can not be voting him right now, he says in post #99 that he has three town reads but he doesn’t ever reveal them, he isn’t contributing while spamming and pretending to have reads. Koshi = Scum.

Vivax in post #119 says he didn’t read Kayly’s post from which he read her as town. Highly suspicious if Kaley = town that Vivax = scum. Vivax has made a town read based on something he didn’t even read. If that ‘read’ is correct it seems like it comes from alignment knowledge.

I see that Kelsier has seen the same things in that post as I have. That makes Kelsier relatively townie irrespective of the alignments of Vivax and Kaley.

Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?

People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.

Rayn: calm down, no matter how you feel about Kaley’s RP your behavior is negatively effecting the town atmosphere. If you are town think about it and get better. If you are scum listen to me and do that right thing anyway so I don’t have to read your shit stirring before I lynch you.

If you are still present I would like to discuss Kaley and Koshi. Kaley is posting relatively coherently and has some reads in the thread which seem to indicate that she is involved in the thread as it progresses. Koshi is posting useless and meaningless trash. Explain your reads on both of them to me.

Kelsier vs. Koshi
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 08 2018 22:39 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.

Will try and post more.


Yeh I don't understand calling you "pants on head retarded" after you made one post about kaley's rhymes.

@vivax
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.

That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however.


at any time you could have said it was just a bad read based on nothing but you defended your read and acted that kaley was pushing rayn with a valid reason.

Show nested quote +
On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote:


I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective.


Honestly this weird thing where you have now come back and said it "wasnt a real read" and then Koshi saying
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2018 20:57 Koshi wrote:
On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote:
I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me.

That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however.

Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do.
I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like:
On September 08 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
I think Sergio is overanalyzing early game stuff, but not in a necessarily scummy way, he may just be overeager townie. That makes me unable to agree with him on his points. I believe he shouldn't give so much weight to what Koshi did so far.

I think kaley is town. Btw I never was able to like rap/hip-hop. Hard for me to explain this read, mostly gut and that he's going after rayn of all people.

Not a big fan of a Qatols version as a summary is the best that anyone could have delivered on early game banter and I see the opportunity for mafia here to jump on a kaley lynch after rayn (if town) said he would p-lynch for the rap. I'll ultimately refrain from scumreading Qatol here as pushing arguments early here is a good thing for town and not necessary for mafia, but I don't agree with them.

imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought.



Anyway. Vivax tip top town


just looks really weird and contrived between the two of you. I can't say you are both mafia but I think one of you definitely is.

Kelsier vs. Sergio
On September 08 2018 22:45 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd only lynch sergio or vivax today.

I think Koshi is very weird and gives me a bad feeling but not enough to lynch on.

There's about 5 people who haven't posted so no idea what's going to happen with that but everyone else I sort of have reasons not to lynch.


2) What happened on day 3 is different. Rels jumping on a bandwagon is not the same as arguing about whether we should start one. If your argument is so strong, why is prplhz the only one who joined you? We need to coordinate votes, not split them up. That means finding someone people can agree on as mafia. If you look back at the start of Day 3, both you and Meapak had rels on your scum lists. Meapak didn't have Kelsier on his. Please explain to me why it makes sense to lynch kelsier?
Uff Da
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 14 2018 21:46 GMT
#720
just because people are not playing
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