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On September 13 2018 20:07 prplhz wrote:#316Show nested quote +On September 11 2018 23:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Nothing is happening in D2, literally no one is posting.
The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this"
I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote.
However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet.
Here he says that he is voting for Sergovian but he's down with lynching into some AFK people semi randomly. #327Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 00:40 KelsierSC wrote:
I could lynch anyone apart from you and rayn. Here he says kind of the same, he'll lynch anyone except "you" (Qatol) and raynpelikoneet. #537Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 16:25 KelsierSC wrote:On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him). I'm thinking why vivax was killed, he was town read by some and scum read by some, however his major scum read after damdred was Qatol and only activity was saving him. On September 13 2018 08:27 Qatol wrote:
Just to be clear, ##vote Rels On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible. What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333? As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree. On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option. I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red). These quotes show he is setting himself up to lynch whatever AFK is town and win, which is at odds with his previous approach to not lynching AFK's. These reason and night kill logic almost confirm qatol as mafia ##Vote: Qatol Now suddenly he wants to lynch Qatol. Even though Qatol was one of the only two people he didn't want to lynch before and even though the reasonable (setting himself up to lynch semi-arbitrarily into AFK people) was the exact same thing as KelsierSC was doing. Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone. I guess this is sort of what raynpelikoneet already complained about but I'm slow.
You think it's bad to think about the game, read other people's post and analyse night kills?
I mean you haven't read any of my posts because I already explained to rayn why I was voting sergio at the BEGINNING of D2.
I didn't want to lynch rayn or qatol at that time because they were the only active people in the game. Then I thought about things, read koshi again. read hf. read vivax's case on qatol and it was the optimal lynch.
I don't know why you are adding in extra bits like "suddenly" I want to kill him. I voted for him d2 and i'm voting the same person again.
Honestly you post is so horrendously awful you are mafia or just unbelievably moronic town.
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Additionally, KelsierSC scumreads Qatol for the N1 kill on Koshi which really doesn't point to anyone.
who were koshi's scumreads d1?
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On September 13 2018 16:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2018 00:54 Vivax wrote:
Qatol so far feels like he's furthering scum agenda and both NKs point heavily towards him. Koshi loved me for pointing out that I didn't like the way he was going after kaley, and HF also was rather sure he was mafia. Both died, and Qatols followup is to try and get a lynch on me going regardless. From a strategic perspective, both NKs are bad for me, he doesn't take that into account.
It's also been a while since HF got killed N1 simply cause HF is a player everyone who knows him is always paranoid about and he becomes a potential mislynch as the game goes on. So a Qatol made decision would fit here, simply cause he doesn't know enough about HF.
Additionally, his confidence feels fake to me so far. I haven't been able to be confident about my reads and straightforward about what I want to do not cause I am mafia, but cause we had a lot of inactives for most of the game and that tells me that I have to be careful about whom I accuse since I can never exclude that mafia simply didn't post. It feels wrong to me to just look at the actives and find reasons to scumread them under these circumstances. But Qatol doesn't. Day 1 he easily finds reasons to vote off kaley, and D2 he easily sees it as an easy reason to go after me that I display this type of hesitance.
But as an active poster, I don't believe Qatol takes priority before Damdred, even though I see him working against me until the point he is lynched, should he not decide to let his scumread fall (which isn't implying that it would be a reason for me to retract my own read on him). I'm thinking why vivax was killed, he was town read by some and scum read by some, however his major scum read after damdred was Qatol and only activity was saving him. Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:26 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 08:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vivax unfortunately doesn't give us much except for a scum read on Qatol. I'm torn between thinking he was killed for the rb claim or killed bc he had by far the most reasonable points against qatol. Nevertheless, I'm pretty comfortable I'm on the right track with at least my Rels read and rayn's insta vote on Kelsier looks fairly terrible. What "most reasonable points" against me? This is the type of post that gets everyone confused later (and mirrors the posts made about HF and Koshi, which lack real substance). Please point to a specific post if you're going to say this. Otherwise, it just turns into the same game of misguided telephone I've spent most of the game trying to defuse. Are you talking about post 333? As far as your Rels read goes, as I stated before, I'm inclined to agree. Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 07:05 Qatol wrote:On September 13 2018 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On September 13 2018 06:53 Qatol wrote:
rayn and meapak, I think you've reached the point of diminishing returns. Is either of you seriously pushing for the other as the lynch target for day 3 anyways? Remember, we have to coordinate our votes or the town loses.
On a side note, rayn, could you please call him prplhz and not purplehaze? It's hard to search your filter for your posts on him. Who's the scum team Qatol? If it's not Rels/Rayn/Sergio(vivax) then who have you got? I would actually be pretty comfortable lynching rayn at this point but I think rels is a much better option. I like prplhz for mafia. Your case on rels makes sense to me. I'm honestly not sure about the third one; this is where I had vivax. I think they have someone who noticed Koshi blueslipping, so it would have to be someone relatively perceptive. Rayn meets that criteria (and honestly, I think the town has already lost if rayn is red). These quotes show he is setting himself up to lynch whatever AFK is town and win, which is at odds with his previous approach to not lynching AFK's. These reason and night kill logic almost confirm qatol as mafia ##Vote: Qatol
I really don't have time for this, but, because the game is literally on the line, I'll try to make this point one more time in the brief moment I have:
This. isn't. helping.
I can't tell if you're scum pushing an obviously false narrative or a townie who has locked in on a misguided read and refuses to think about it any more. If you're the former, I need to prevent you from confusing the actual townies. If you're the latter, because it's lylo, I unfortunately have to persuade you to think about what you're saying, so here goes:
Your argument re: Koshi is reliant upon the assumption that the mafia team felt so threatened by Koshi's early posts towards me that they needed to use a night kill on him to protect me. For once and for all: what did Koshi say that was so threatening? I don't want to hear that he "accused me." That's how you're building up this false assumption in the first place. What. did. he. say? Is it really bad enough that the mafia would be threatened?
Re: HF, again: What. did. he. say? His argument was jumping on me for being uneasy about the lynch train on Kaley (think about it: is that really anti-town?) and a mistaken assumption that I jumped on a bandwagon on Kaley (I didn't).
Here's my point. This entire portion of your argument is based on them having strong, reasonable accusations. The problem is those accusations aren't. You are literally trying to put the entire game on me being scum because the mafia was threatened by Koshi saying I was "too friendly" and a weird, early day 1 deconstruction of a post. I'm not sure even Koshi believed his argument on that one (he certainly stopped posting about it quickly enough).
As far as Vivax goes, aren't you at least a little concerned that he might have been killed because rayn spent the whole night explaining to the thread (and me specifically) why he was basically a confirmed townie? And even if he wasn't confirmed by that discussion, maybe vivax was killed because the mafia wanted to roleblock someone else (meapak) without confirming vivax?
Finally, where did I ever say I supported lynching an AFK? Those quotes don't support that. You're making assumptions to try and support your narrative.
Again, the game is literally on the line. Please think about what you're saying. Your argument is reliant upon false assumptions and falls apart when they are removed.
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To any townies, please vote rels. I really do think Meapak has a decent argument on him and think that lynching him is the best (and only) chance for town to win.
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Think of it this way: if you believe Meapak is town and think his roleblock claim is legit, then the town most likely loses with literally almost any other vote except in the situation where a single vote is placed on a mafia member, unless mafia supports a lynch on their own member.
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lynch who you want, this game is pointless
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@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose.
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Eh, whatever. Maybe we can lynch Qatol.
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i've voted and i'm never moving it so if the game doesn't end I will see you all Sunday.
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It would just be easier if KelsierSC is scum than if Qatol is scum.
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On September 13 2018 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you are so fucking annoying. I am just going to throw the fucking game.
yeah anyone who says this and just wants to sew discord and chaos.
##vote Raynpelikoneet"
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On September 13 2018 23:29 Qatol wrote:
Think of it this way: if you believe Meapak is town and think his roleblock claim is legit, then the town most likely loses with literally almost any other vote except in the situation where a single vote is placed on a mafia member, unless mafia supports a lynch on their own member.
It's not instant majority. We have time to discuss stuff.
I'm probably going to focus here.
Day 1
Kaley [3]: Qatol, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Rels
Day 2
Damdred [3]: Vivax, prplhz, raynpelikoneet
I know it is kind of an inactive game, but I imagine among this group the common denominator is scum. As an aside, I voted for him after reading that post I quoted but before I even knew he also ended up being the common denominator on 2 bad lynches.
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On September 14 2018 01:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you are so fucking annoying. I am just going to throw the fucking game. yeah anyone who says this and just wants to sew discord and chaos. ##vote Raynpelikoneet"
Seems like a rather brute and unsubtle manner to push a mafia agenda?
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On September 14 2018 01:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 23:29 Qatol wrote:
Think of it this way: if you believe Meapak is town and think his roleblock claim is legit, then the town most likely loses with literally almost any other vote except in the situation where a single vote is placed on a mafia member, unless mafia supports a lynch on their own member. It's not instant majority. We have time to discuss stuff. I'm probably going to focus here. Day 1Kaley [3]: Qatol, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Rels Day 2Damdred [3]: Vivax, prplhz, raynpelikoneet I know it is kind of an inactive game, but I imagine among this group the common denominator is scum. As an aside, I voted for him after reading that post I quoted but before I even knew he also ended up being the common denominator on 2 bad lynches.
Then tell me what were the "good lynches" i should have participated in?
Also your argument is easily debunked by the following:
On September 09 2018 07:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
Kaley [3]: Qatol, raynpelikoneet, Rels Koshi [1]: Sergiovan raynpelikoneet [1]: Kaley Vivax [1]: KelsierSC Holyflare [1]: Koshi RebirthOfLeGenD [1]: Vivax Qatol [1]: Koshi, Holyflare Not Voting [4]: Meapak_Ziphh, RebirthOfLeGenD, Damdred, prplhz
On September 12 2018 07:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 2 Vote Count
Damdred [3]: Vivax, prplhz, raynpelikoneet Vivax [2]: Qatol, Sergiovan Qatol [1]: Rels Rels [1]: Meapak_Ziphh Not Voting [3]: RebirthOfLeGendD, Damdred, KelsierSC
I greened the confirmed townies who weren't lynched on D1 and D2, but were voted (also you because i assume you consider or pretend to consider yourself as town). For your argument to make any sense at all there must be a mafia player i am "protecting" (aka voting for someone to lynch them over my teammate), otherwise the "common nominator" theory doesn't make any sense since i don't really have to stick my neck out as mafia. We can clearly see that is not the case here, because on D1 i could have voted maybe 5 different people over Kaley to not stick my neck out (not even counting the inactives), and on D2 the only other viable wagon to get lynched was Vivax (who was town) at the time i voted for Damdred.
So like... your theory does not hold any water, i don't really know what your theory is to be exact because you just took two lynches and my name which was on both and called me mafia for it. Pro tip, just because someone voted for someone doesn't make them mafia, and you have never explained why me voting for anyone makes me mafia.
I don't really care to argue about things like this because there is no argument at all. Idk, this isn't as bad as Meapak's argument where he just builds his own world and accuses me while everything i have said and done contradicts the world he has created.... That's like.. idk delusional lol.
I actually want to know why Qatol, while being in the thread when Meapak was posting his bs didn't care AT ALL about cutting that shit off. Literally, almost every single thing he posted about me on page 24-26 is factually incorrect or results in some unbelieveable way into "strengthening" his self-created narrative that doesn't even make any sense at all if you have read any of my posts.
Also why is his case on rels good? Because i don't really think it is good at all. There are a lot of huge problems in that case but i will let Rels answer him and not give him answers.
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On September 13 2018 23:42 prplhz wrote:
It would just be easier if KelsierSC is scum than if Qatol is scum.
I don't understand why Kelsier is doing the whole "whatever I give up" thing." I have never read that play as frustrated town. Basically his entire case on Qatol is based around the NKs which is honestly just speculation. I mean Vivax was most likely killed since he was essentially confirmed town. Vivax hadn't even pushed Qatol or been active in the two irl days prior to getting killed so I have a hard time believing this speculation that he was killed bc he was onto something big. Like read Vivax's filter, he does not come off as someone who is gunning to kill Qatol. If we're gonna speculate on the NKs I find it a much higher chance it was bc he was quasi confirmed due to the RB claim. I don't think Kelsier is scum bc it would be an odd play for rayn to be bussing him this hard at lylo but I just don't find the Qatol case convincing for a lylo lynch.
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Maybe Meapak is just mafia.
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On September 14 2018 22:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2018 23:42 prplhz wrote:
It would just be easier if KelsierSC is scum than if Qatol is scum. I don't understand why Kelsier is doing the whole "whatever I give up" thing." I have never read that play as frustrated town. Basically his entire case on Qatol is based around the NKs which is honestly just speculation.
True.
I mean Vivax was most likely killed since he was essentially confirmed town. Vivax hadn't even pushed Qatol or been active in the two irl days prior to getting killed so I have a hard time believing this speculation that he was killed bc he was onto something big. Like read Vivax's filter, he does not come off as someone who is gunning to kill Qatol. If we're gonna speculate on the NKs I find it a much higher chance it was bc he was quasi confirmed due to the RB claim.
So you think Vivax was killed because he was confirmed town due to being roleblocked, except that your top 2 scumread was the only one who even entertained the thought, and you are essentially claiming that "rayn pushed the Vivax is confirmed town bcz of roleblock (which noone even believed", then rayn decided that "oh shit my tem needs to kill Vivax because he is confirmed town (which again noone in the game believed)", then you discount everything Kelsier said about Vivax while you don't believe it and still call me mafia because of something that doesn't make any sense at all in any world.
I don't think Kelsier is scum bc it would be an odd play for rayn to be bussing him this hard at lylo but I just don't find the Qatol case convincing for a lylo lynch.
The only reason you don't think Kelsier is scum is because i am scum which i have to be because Rels is scum. So there is that, that's incredibly idiotic. The individual "case" on me you did is already debunked because i don't need to even say anything about it since anyone who is reading the thread can tell your foundation of the case is just 100% false.
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Like you literally can't come into the thread and say i am 90% mafia JUST because i missed a vote in a voting thread somewhere (which is what you are saying) when you yourself missed a vote RIGHT ABOVE MINE, and discount THAT vote and use that (incorrect) narrative to call me mafia (when i literally proved you wrong with a fucking picture of the voting thread.
And that is a fact.
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